Brother of Winning Streak contestant shot dead

I heart TV · 25-09-2015 7:45am #1

A brother of the young lad who was on Winning Streak last Saturday night has been shot dead in spain.

El Weirdo · 25-09-2015 7:47am

At least it wasn't the brother of the fella that was on Winning Street.

michael999999 · 25-09-2015 7:48am

He played The Gangster Roulette, and lost!

Ally Dick · 25-09-2015 8:06am

Probably executed by another dodgy Irish ex pat. It's not a life I'd choose. Gardai telling you there is a threat to your life..and then not bothering to defend you. In Spain you've less chance of help too

Teyla Emmagan · 25-09-2015 8:10am

Ally Dick wrote:

Probably executed by another dodgy Irish ex pat. It's not a life I'd choose. Gardai telling you there is a threat to your life..and then not bothering to defend you. In Spain you've less chance of help too

I really don't think it's down to the guards to defend you from your fellow criminals. Not when you're probably every bit as bad as they are. They have better things to be doing. And sure those fellas only go to Spain to live a great life on their ill gotten gains and evade the law.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2015 8:13am

Nah when you get involved in that lifestyle it's like Russian roulette. It's decent ordinary citizens that need protection. The guards aren't personal bodyguards for criminals

Hitchens · 25-09-2015 8:58am

Quickly throws bag of popcorn into microwave

macnug · 25-09-2015 9:00am

It was his cousin not his brother.

Tilly · 25-09-2015 9:05am

Ally Dick wrote: »

Probably executed by another dodgy Irish ex pat. It's not a life I'd choose. Gardai telling you there is a threat to your life..and then not bothering to defend you. In Spain you've less chance of help too

Why on earth would our guards (or any police) try and protect criminals?

Ally Dick · 25-09-2015 9:17am

Tilly wrote: »

Why on earth would our guards (or any police) try and protect criminals?

Because look what you have now. Lazy policing. Omertas being carried out in housing estates in Tallaght and Clondalkin. It's the broken window theory. Leave a broken window in an estate unrepaired, and the whole estate goes to sh!t very quickly. The gardai need to pursue the whole of the law, or you end up with anarchy. It's not about protecting criminals per se. It's about doing all of their job and not letting criminals roam the cities with guns, going on missions to kill people

arayess · 25-09-2015 9:20am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Nah when you get involved in that lifestyle it's like Russian roulette. It's decent ordinary citizens that need protection. The guards aren't personal bodyguards for criminals

I see your point but the gardai have a responsibility to protect everybody.
They have a duty to all citizens. they can't just judge somebody.
If they don't protect everybody regardless of status you can chaos and the risk that a targets wife / kids or others get hurt too.

what gets me is you know people are after you and you still live in the same house and do your thing as usual.

I was at a party once , rough sort of party. one fella was there with a vest on , sweating like a mad fella but refused to take it off. Can't have been pleasant for him. Was told people were after him.
seemed pleasant of a chap enough but there were about 50 people in the house and the door was open , I hardly knew anybody. If I was worried about my safety I wouldn't be there but I guess one must party.

Little CuChulainn · 25-09-2015 9:30am

The Gardai do offer protection and advice. More often than not they are told to **** off.

Buona Fortuna · 25-09-2015 9:31am

macnug wrote: »

It was his cousin not his brother.

He ain't heavy

2smiggy · 25-09-2015 9:32am

why would the Garda be protecting someone over in Spain ?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2015 9:34am

The gardai have a duty first and foremost to protect the people who haven't brought any trouble on themselves. They have a duty to protect young impressionable kids from these scrotes dealing drugs. They have a duty to protect elderly people from being afraid to stay in their own homes on their own. They have a duty to protect people going about their daily business from being attacked or harmed in anyway.

When you live by the sword, you can't complain when the sword kills you. Why should a member of the gardai (unarmed as they are) put themselves in dangers way, trying to protect someone who would think NOTHING about lodging a bullet in someone else over a drug debt/stupid feud. If they're big and tough enough to intimidate others, then let them deal with the consequences

endacl · 25-09-2015 9:34am

I find myself overcome with indifference.

sonofenoch · 25-09-2015 9:35am

He went to Spain for a little chat, thought he could relax....no ratsssssssss

RayM · 25-09-2015 9:36am

omg so sad cant stop cryin so sad sleep wit the angles hun rip havent stoped cryin all day lol xx

jamesbere · 25-09-2015 9:36am

No sympathy at all for this fella, if this is the way he wanted to lead his life then there is always the possibility his life would be in danger

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2015 9:39am

RayM wrote: »

omg so sad cant stop cryin so sad sleep wit the angles hun rip havent stoped cryin all day lol xx

Dnt worri hun he's gt d best bed in hevin x

Little CuChulainn · 25-09-2015 9:46am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Dnt worri hun he's gt d best bed in hevin x

God only takes de best ones.

kneemos · 25-09-2015 9:46am

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The Gardai do offer protection and advice. More often than not they are told to **** off.

Often heard it said they refused Garda protection.

What criminal wants Guards following them around in fairness,they'd be a laughing stock.

Ally Dick · 25-09-2015 9:50am

Did he get a cut of the Winning Streak money?

Sheep Lover · 25-09-2015 9:52am

RIP

Condolences to his family xxx

Dodge · 25-09-2015 9:55am

saying he's a relation of a winning streak contestant is burying the lead a little

AnonoBoy · 25-09-2015 9:58am

I find it amazing that people reference TV shows for things like this.

"The man whose cousin once appeared as a book reviewer on the Late Late Toy Show as a child was shot twice outside his house."

"The woman, who once went to school with that woman who filled in for the girl that used to be on Off the Rails while she was out on maternity leave, was arrested and charged with two counts of smuggling cocaine."

"The teenager, who was taught in the very same school that the cousin of Marty Whelan attended, was taken into custody early this morning."

Buona Fortuna · 25-09-2015 10:02am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

The gardai have a duty first and foremost to protect the people who haven't brought any trouble on themselves. They have a duty to protect young impressionable kids from these scrotes dealing drugs. They have a duty to protect elderly people from being afraid to stay in their own homes on their own. They have a duty to protect people going about their daily business from being attacked or harmed in anyway.

When you live by the sword, you can't complain when the sword kills you. Why should a member of the gardai (unarmed as they are) put themselves in dangers way, trying to protect someone who would think NOTHING about lodging a bullet in someone else over a drug debt/stupid feud. If they're big and tough enough to intimidate others, then let them deal with the consequences

We don't leave it to the Gardai to decide who they are and are not going to protect.

Now I wouldn't suggest that the AGS do it but there are a couple of PR techniques that I've seen Police in UK do. Someone is killed and there's a bit of a furore.

- its leaked that he dealt drugs. Who is going to argue?

- if that fails they'll just get someone into custody (and they're not too fussy who). Gives them a chance to manage the story - active lines of enquiry

gramar · 25-09-2015 10:02am

Tilly wrote: »

Why on earth would our guards (or any police) try and protect criminals?

Dey have rightz too ya know.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2015 10:07am

Buona Fortuna wrote: »

We don't leave it to the Gardai to decide who they are and are not going to protect.

Now I wouldn't suggest that the AGS do it but there are a couple of PR techniques that I've seen Police in UK do. Someone is killed and there's a bit of a furore.

- its leaked that he dealt drugs. Who is going to argue?

- if that fails they'll just get someone into custody (and they're not too fussy who). Gives them a chance to manage the story - active lines of enquiry

As long as they're not taking out innocent bystanders they're doing society a favour taking out each other.
There was a young lad beaten stabbed and set on fire the night Kilkenny won the all Ireland in rhode, left for dead. The news headlines were "young drug dealer" and mentioned how he was known to gardai, his convictions, the fact they were following a line of enquiry incase it was related to a grow house being uncovered months previously, and how much he owed in a drug debt.

Hardly painting a picture of an innocent victim

the groutch · 25-09-2015 10:09am

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I find it amazing that people reference TV shows for things like this.

"The man whose cousin once appeared as a book reviewer on the Late Late Toy Show as a child was shot twice outside his house."

"The woman, who once went to school with that woman who filled in for the girl that used to be on Off the Rails while she was out on maternity leave, was arrested and charged with two counts of smuggling cocaine."

"The teenager, who was taught in the very same school that the cousin of Marty Whelan attended, was taken into custody early this morning."

Stira, as seen on the Late Late Show

AnonoBoy · 25-09-2015 10:12am

the groutch wrote: »

Stira, as seen on the Late Late Show

They only dropped that from their ads in the past five years or so if I recall correctly even though they were featured on the show in 1990!

At least in their case it was for marketing purposes not just "Hey everyone something happened to someone that knows someone that was on the telly!"

Saipanne · 25-09-2015 10:14am

I heart TV wrote: »

A brother of the young lad who was on Winning Streak last Saturday night has been shot dead in spain.

What a non headline.

Buona Fortuna · 25-09-2015 10:17am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

As long as they're not taking out innocent bystanders they're doing society a favour taking out each other.
There was a young lad beaten stabbed and set on fire the night Kilkenny won the all Ireland in rhode, left for dead. The news headlines were "young drug dealer" and mentioned how he was known to gardai, his convictions, the fact they were following a line of enquiry incase it was related to a grow house being uncovered months previously, and how much he owed in a drug debt.

Hardly painting a picture of an innocent victim

You have to admire the journalists able to get that information and so quickly.

Burned to death huh? Too good for him.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 25-09-2015 10:17am

Well no he didn't die actually

Buona Fortuna · 25-09-2015 10:19am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Well no he didn't die actually

Not sure if that makes it better or worse.

granturismo · 25-09-2015 10:24am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

... There was a young lad beaten stabbed and set on fire the night Kilkenny won the all Ireland in rhode, left for dead. ...

Kilkenny never won an All Ireland in Rhode.

seamus · 25-09-2015 10:27am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

As long as they're not taking out innocent bystanders they're doing society a favour taking out each other.

One problem of course is that they frequently do take out innocent bystanders. Sometimes accidentally, sometimes deliberately to remove witnesses.

And if they're unofficially "allowed" to attack eachother, they believe that they have some kind of power, or right to enforce their own rules. Which ends up extending beyond the realms of dangerous scumbags shooting eachother. And it becomes dangerous scumbags meting out "justice" against those who have offended them (or just for fun), and you get Baiba Saulite and Marioara Rostas.

As much as we all like to say "fnck him, just another dead scumbag", ultimately allowing scumbags to act like scumbags erodes the very basis of a civil society, which is why we still have to try and protect them from eachother.

arayess · 25-09-2015 11:19am

LexieOnRale wrote: »

The gardai have a duty first and foremost to protect the people who haven't brought any trouble on themselves.

you are wrong, they have a duty to all citizens.
In your scenario , who decides? The gardai ? you? AH ?

I was done for drunk and disorderly 15 years ago....do I rank less worthy than you on this list of protection?

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They have a duty to protect young impressionable kids from these scrotes dealing drugs.

get off the stage:rolleyes:...anybody (including me) who has taken drugs it has been because it was their choice.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They have a duty to protect elderly people from being afraid to stay in their own homes on their own. They have a duty to protect people going about their daily business from being attacked or harmed in anyway.

yes and all citizens fall into that category.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

When you live by the sword, you can't complain when the sword kills you.

i'm sure he isn't complaining cos he is dead. :rolleyes:
and if they did I'm sure they'd blame their enemies not the gardai.

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Why should a member of the gardai (unarmed as they are) put themselves in dangers way, trying to protect someone who would think NOTHING about lodging a bullet in someone else over a drug debt/stupid feud. If they're big and tough enough to intimidate others, then let them deal with the consequences

because that is their duty , they swore the oath and they get paid to perform that duty.

well people involved do deal with the consequences.

As for feuds , you'd be surprised how

1. they start for petty reasons, sometime non-criminal
2. people get dragged into them, even previously non-criminal family members. they often do this because there is no garda protection.

for example look up John Campion in the article. No convictions before being dragged into the feud.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/judge-imposes-jail-terms-in-gun-cases-1.991359

quoted for your convenience

In a second case involving firearms yesterday, the 20-year-old nephew of Noel Campion was jailed for three years for possession of a revolver on the day that his uncle was murdered. John Campion, formerly of Creaval Park, Moyross, pleaded guilty to possession of a Smith & Wesson .38 revolver and five live rounds of .38 ammunition for an unlawful purpose at Craeval Park on April 26th last.

He told gardaí he had the gun for his own protection as his uncle's killers were taunting him that he was the only male Campion left standing.
Before imposing sentence, the judge said that he accepted that other parties saw John Campion, who had no previous convictions prior to this event, as a "soft target", even though he had no involvement in any feud in the city.

I suggest you climb out of your ivory tower.

Odyssey 2005 · 25-09-2015 11:28am

€30 odd k will go a long way towards burying him

etoughguy · 25-09-2015 11:30am

granturismo wrote: »

Kilkenny never won an All Ireland in Rhode.

I thought all rhodes lead to croker?

25-09-2015 11:35am

arayess wrote: »

I see your point but the gardai have a responsibility to protect everybody.
They have a duty to all citizens. they can't just judge somebody.
If they don't protect everybody regardless of status you can chaos and the risk that a targets wife / kids or others get hurt too.

what gets me is you know people are after you and you still live in the same house and do your thing as usual.

I was at a party once , rough sort of party. one fella was there with a vest on , sweating like a mad fella but refused to take it off. Can't have been pleasant for him. Was told people were after him.
seemed pleasant of a chap enough but there were about 50 people in the house and the door was open , I hardly knew anybody. If I was worried about my safety I wouldn't be there but I guess one must party.

The thing about this situation is that you could end up with another innocent bystander being shot like Donna Cleary on your hands

Galwayguy35 · 25-09-2015 7:34pm

Ally Dick wrote: »

Because look what you have now. Lazy policing. Omertas being carried out in housing estates in Tallaght and Clondalkin. It's the broken window theory. Leave a broken window in an estate unrepaired, and the whole estate goes to sh!t very quickly. The gardai need to pursue the whole of the law, or you end up with anarchy. It's not about protecting criminals per se. It's about doing all of their job and not letting criminals roam the cities with guns, going on missions to kill people

As long as they only kill each other it's one less waste of space to worry about.

Brother of Winning Streak contestant shot dead

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