39 people found dead in trailer in UK

tayto lover · 23-10-2019 4:25pm

splinter65 wrote: »

Some people from both communities in the North are secretly sorry that the war is over.
They will find outrage in the most innocuous mistake in a report in an effort to find fault in the “other side”.
Here you have an example of a mad Nationalistic type who faced with 40 odd dead bodies in a lorry immediately escalates the outrage past the totally needless loss of life to the far far more important more tragic more outrageous fact that someone somewhere in the initial reporting counted Monaghan as one of the Six Counties.
Forget the grief of the families. Forget the greed of the people smugglers.
HOW DARE THE BRITS TRY TO TAKE ANOTHER COUNTY!

As I keep saying, you can decommission guns but you cannot decommission mindsets.

Utter Consternation · 23-10-2019 4:25pm

So is it likely that the driver would have known what he was hauling?

Itssoeasy · 23-10-2019 4:26pm

Poor form IMO for sky news to be naming the driver and showing his picture on sky. I mean it's still likely that he only found out what was going on when he got to where the truck is now(I mean someone alerted the ambulance service) and is not connected to how those 39 people got into that trailer.

Lackey · 23-10-2019 4:26pm

Sky news saying ‘it suggests’ it was the driver that called the police.
I doubt he knew they were in the back.
Drivers in our place aren’t allowed to open the back until we see them break the seal and check the numbers match our paper work. If he didn’t know God love him and the guys ready to take the delivery:(
RIP

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 4:26pm

splinter65 wrote: »

I find it impossible to believe that in this day and age he got into the cab and started the engine without checking his load.

Apparently, according to some other haulage drivers commenting elsewhere, this cannot always be done. It breaks the seal on the container. Pinch of salt, I know, but I can well believe it's not as simple as just hopping down from the cab and having a quick nosy around the container like it's nothing.

eagle eye · 23-10-2019 4:26pm

splinter65 wrote:

I find it impossible to believe that in this day and age he got into the cab and started the engine without checking his load.

You do know that often times the container has a security lock on it before the driver collects it?

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 4:27pm

splinter65 wrote: »

I find it impossible to believe that in this day and age he got into the cab and started the engine without checking his load.

Loads are normally sealed.
He'd just check paperwork in cab and seal number vs paperwork
He didn't bring this trailer from Dublin via Holyhead
And somehow i doubt he was meant to open the doors at all at wherever the destination was, just drop somewher probably middle of nowhere/off beaten track

Paul Lee · 23-10-2019 4:27pm

alastair wrote: »

Being a racist gets you called out for your racism. These people were not entitled to social welfare in the U.K., so ‘stopping social welfare’ will have zero impact on the situation.

My apologies for wanting to stop Africans dying. If you call me racist then I must be racist. I'm just too thick to figure out how wanting to stop people dying is racist. Please relieve me of my ignorance. And also please explain how you're not racist because I'm also confused there too.

*My definition of racist: Someone who hates people of race/ races other than their own. Since that's not my issue, and because I'm racist (as you say) I obviously have the wrong definition. Your assistance would be much appreciated.

Meanwhile, people are dying so let's sort this out quickly.

Lackey · 23-10-2019 4:28pm

splinter65 wrote: »

I find it impossible to believe that in this day and age he got into the cab and started the engine without checking his load.

I can confirm our drivers cannot open the lorry
There’s a seal on it an the numbers have to match on delivery

knipex · 23-10-2019 4:29pm

Aegir wrote: »

why do some small minded individuals have to infect some threads?

Because they want to remind us the consequences of a yes vote in a unity referendum.

tayto lover · 23-10-2019 4:29pm

Lackey wrote: »

Sky news saying ‘it suggests’ it was the driver that called the police.
I doubt he knew they were in the back.
Drivers in our place aren’t allowed to open the back until we see them break the seal and check the numbers match our paper work. If he didn’t know God love him and the guys ready to take the delivery:(
RIP

But why would he then open the container on the side of the road?

23-10-2019 4:31pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Poor form IMO for sky news to be naming the driver and showing his picture on sky. I mean it's still likely that he only found out what was going on when he got to where the truck is now(I mean someone alerted the ambulance service) and is not connected to how those 39 people got into that trailer.

That is a possibility. He may be totally innocent.

It's also a possibility that he knew they were there, knew they were dead and was 'caught in the act of disposing of them'.

No one knows yet really.

D.Q · 23-10-2019 4:35pm

Frank Sobotka is going to hit the roof

armaghlad · 23-10-2019 4:36pm

Oasis1974 wrote: »

Wonder what the price was for each life lost I mean in monatery terms what did these people pay?

There’s WhatsApp’s going round saying £2500 per head. Albanian mafia responsible apparently

Tacitus Kilgore · 23-10-2019 4:36pm

derrymcorry wrote: »

Whatsapp picture going around of him (and it's him) standing behind an Ulster flag with the words 'Mid-Ulster UVF' on it.

Wonder what's the story with the Ireland crest on his lorry

Itssoeasy · 23-10-2019 4:37pm

Deleted User wrote: »

That is a possibility. He may be totally innocent.

It's also a possibility that he knew they were there, knew they were dead and was 'caught in the act of disposing of them'.

No one knows yet really.

And shouldnt sky news bloody wait until the police are able to determine which one of the scenarios above you outlined is actually true before naming him ?

armaghlad · 23-10-2019 4:39pm

Lady Spangles wrote: »

According to the Belfast Telegraph, the driver is in fact from Portadown. Hopefully this can now bring comfort and solace to traumatised Republicans at this difficult time in their lives.

With all due respect, this lad comes from down the road from me. So people like me have a passing interest in what circles he may or may not associate in. Nothing really to do with point scoring.

Noveight · 23-10-2019 4:39pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Wonder what's the story with the Ireland crest on his lorry

Lorry is registered in Bulgaria to an Irish firm. Not owned by the bloke who was driving.

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 4:41pm

armaghlad wrote: »

With all due respect, this lad comes from down the road from me. So people like me have a passing interest in what circles he may or may not associate in. Nothing really to do with point scoring.

I wasn't referring to you, but someone else who as good as accused Essex Police of "claiming" Co. Monaghan. That was the origin of the mildly nauseating point scoring. I haven't seen your comments so really con't respond to them.

Gatling · 23-10-2019 4:41pm

Noveight wrote: »

Lorry is registered in Bulgaria to an Irish firm. Not owned by the bloke who was driving.

Apparently the truck operates here

Noveight · 23-10-2019 4:42pm

Gatling wrote: »

Apparently the truck operates here

Partly. Belgian plates on it.

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 4:49pm

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Wonder what's the story with the Ireland crest on his lorry

It's an Irish lorry, isn't it? Of far more concern (for most people, anyway), is the 39 corpses in the back, rather than any crests or emblems on the front.

Regardless, it's quite probable that the driver had no idea those bodies were there. I'm shocked that he's been arrested on suspicion of murder since there's no evidence that he himself was actively involved in people smuggling.

It's not even the same driver driving the trucks across the continent, is it? They change over at different ports? I'm really not sure so I hope someone else is.

GBX · 23-10-2019 4:51pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And shouldnt sky news bloody wait until the police are able to determine which one of the scenarios above you outlined is actually true before naming him ?

Sky News and the other tabloids will write anything to get viewers/readers and adjust their stories to suit their agenda as more info filters through. Rightly or wrongly.

Lackey · 23-10-2019 4:55pm

tayto lover wrote: »

But why would he then open the container on the side of the road?

If it’s true he was delivering to gfs I can’t see a loading bay on google maps street view.
It’s located semi detached in a square of businesses with a little customer parking

I’m open to correction of course but looking at where he parked on google maps it makes sense as to why he’s parked there.

https://goo.gl/maps/4YiaWu3S9AZfSThs8

IRE60 · 23-10-2019 4:55pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And shouldnt sky news bloody wait until the police are able to determine which one of the scenarios above you outlined is actually true before naming him ?

He's been arrested = can be named.

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 4:56pm

Parked up to sleep

theguzman · 23-10-2019 4:58pm

Horrible thing to happen, looks like a refrigerated trailer, I wonder if they froze to death or if it was from lack of Oxygen. If it was a canvas sided trailer they'd have been okay most likely, although lack of water would kill them over 4 days also.

alastair · 23-10-2019 4:59pm

Paul Lee wrote: »

My apologies for wanting to stop Africans dying. If you call me racist then I must be racist. I'm just too thick to figure out how wanting to stop people dying is racist. Please relieve me of my ignorance. And also please explain how you're not racist because I'm also confused there too.

*My definition of racist: Someone who hates people of race/ races other than their own. Since that's not my issue, and because I'm racist (as you say) I obviously have the wrong definition. Your assistance would be much appreciated.

Meanwhile, people are dying so let's sort this out quickly.

Did someone call you racist? Otherwise, get down off your scaffold.

Tacitus Kilgore · 23-10-2019 5:11pm

Lady Spangles wrote: »

It's an Irish lorry, isn't it? Of far more concern (for most people, anyway), is the 39 corpses in the back, rather than any crests or emblems on the front.

Regardless, it's quite probable that the driver had no idea those bodies were there. I'm shocked that he's been arrested on suspicion of murder since there's no evidence that he himself was actively involved in people smuggling.

It's not even the same driver driving the trucks across the continent, is it? They change over at different ports? I'm really not sure so I hope someone else is.

Agree, have no concern/care for the origin of the driver / tractor unit. I took the bait by yer man and made my reply. Bit ashamed tbh.

I'm sickened by this incident, RIP to the 39 souls.

MadYaker · 23-10-2019 5:20pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Loads are normally sealed.
He'd just check paperwork in cab and seal number vs paperwork
He didn't bring this trailer from Dublin via Holyhead
And somehow i doubt he was meant to open the doors at all at wherever the destination was, just drop somewher probably middle of nowhere/off beaten track

So they can’t check what’s in the back but if it’s a load of contraband the driver gets arrested? That doesn’t seem very fair

scotchy · 23-10-2019 5:23pm

MadYaker wrote: »

So they can’t check what’s in the back but if it’s a load of contraband the driver gets arrested? That doesn’t seem very fair

The same as if a postman delivers a parcel of heroin, he will have no knowledge of the contents.

scotchy · 23-10-2019 5:27pm

Gerrydubar wrote: »

This is a terrible tragedy.

The driver was allegedly a member of the Portadown UVF, the UVF have been known to be heavily involved in smuggling in the past, particularly women.

Could they have had something to do with it?

Congratulations on your first post.

Welcome to Boards.

Pasamos · 23-10-2019 5:27pm

Those protestants up to no good as usual.

Eric Cartman · 23-10-2019 5:30pm

Sir Oxman wrote: »

Very possible driver simply picked up sealed trailer at port and is completely innocent

Equally possible 39 people hid themselves in the truck at night and yet again the driver knew nothing

Sir Oxman · 23-10-2019 5:31pm

There's quite a few first time posters and really low count posters appearing in this thread banging on about the UVF and other bullsh1t and exclusively on any thread related to migrants...

I hope boards.ie is on top of it

tayto lover · 23-10-2019 5:31pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Equally possible 39 people hid themselves in the truck at night and yet again the driver knew nothing

Would he not have noticed the seal broken?

Eric Cartman · 23-10-2019 5:33pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Would he not have noticed the seal broken?

Check out reports from calais, sneaking in while at traffic (although not 39 people) , cutting and repairing curtainsides, or somebody putting them in and resealing after, those tags arent hard to get

blackwhite · 23-10-2019 5:34pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Equally possible 39 people hid themselves in the truck at night and yet again the driver knew nothing

39 people managed to break into a sealed refrigerated unit and then, from inside, managed to repair the seals so they looked untampered?

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 5:34pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Would he not have noticed the seal broken?

They stow away on the lorries either during or shortly after loading, don't they? It would be prior to sealing the container, at any rate.

23-10-2019 5:34pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Equally possible 39 people hid themselves in the truck at night and yet again the driver knew nothing

It's pretty unlikely these 39 people just hopped on when the truck was stopped somewhere. That does happen, but not 39 people. This was an organised people smuggling operation. Probably not the first.

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 5:38pm

Gerrydubar wrote: »

IT has been suggested on social media that he's a UVF member.

I'm just pointing out that they might have some connection with this as they have been known for trafficking.

Yes, but social media isn't exactly the most reliable of news outlets really. Some might go so far as to say social media isn't a news outlet at all. Also, at this early stage of the investigation, repeating rumours is only going to obfuscate the matter. We don't know who the driver was, beyond his name and place of origin. We know nothing about his political affiliations, paramilitary allegiances (if any) or what colour socks he prefers etc etc.

I don't know what you have to gain from this mudslinging, less still registering on the site for the sole purpose of doing so. People smuggling is a far, far bigger issue than the UVF.

MadYaker · 23-10-2019 5:38pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Check out reports from calais, sneaking in while at traffic (although not 39 people) , cutting and repairing curtainsides, or somebody putting them in and resealing after, those tags arent hard to get

It happens but in this case if they’d broken in surely they’d have been able to get out and they wouldn’t have died. I’d say it was sealed with them in there. What a way to go...

kravmaga · 23-10-2019 5:39pm

antix80 wrote: »

Why is it just the lorry driver being arrested? The politicians and authorities are complicit. There would be no demand for illegal ferrying of immigrants if illegals were shipped back rather than being allowed to stay.

The owner of the truck who is allegedly an Irish woman according to the Bulgarian embassy should be arrested imo.

The truck is registered in Bulgaria but has not been seen in Bulgaria since 2017??

Spanish Eyes · 23-10-2019 5:49pm

Tip of the iceberg I reckon.

But Brexit will sort it out, controlling their borders and all that. But they can do it now can't they?

God love those who died. But I agree it is organised and has been for some time. Probably more lucrative than importing cigs and drugs nowadays.

Rayne Wooney · 23-10-2019 5:49pm

Surely a haulage company can’t be dragging containers across Europe not knowing what’s inside in this day and age? Someone at the company must be involved at some level?

I’d imagine there’s a warehouse around the area that the truck was found that’ll be emptied out or probably already has been, operations moved elsewhere.

Eric Cartman · 23-10-2019 5:52pm

MadYaker wrote: »

It happens but in this case if they’d broken in surely they’d have been able to get out and they wouldn’t have died. I’d say it was sealed with them in there. What a way to go...

Even with no seal, you wouldnt get those doors open from the inside, doubt professionals overlooked that fridge containers are not vented, i bet there was 40 people working together, found it in a yard near a port and got 39 of them in, the 40th closes the doors and seals it again, off they go, oxygen depletes and they all pass out

Theres also an old wives tail among drug dealers that fridge containers are xray proof , possible some dumbass thought that was the best way and forgot about needing to breath.

Id say the chances of the driver actually knowing they were there is around 30%

For those on about the seals - you can buy them online , find out what colour/style a particular company uses and you can copy them easily.

Spanish Eyes · 23-10-2019 5:53pm

I said it earlier in the thread, surely there is a Customs seal on trucks travelling here there and yonder. If sealed on departure, how the heck could 39 people be unobserved on the exit seal check, or indeed if they broke the seal, how was that not noticed either on arrival.

Begs the question, and I won't say it, but are there more than foreign traffickers involved now?

Lady Spangles · 23-10-2019 5:55pm

Gerrydubar wrote: »

The UVF have been involved in people smuggling.

At no point have I denied this. I'm sure they're all up to all sorts. But I still don't see how rumours you read on social media prove the driver was definitely in the UVF and definitely consciously involved in people smuggling.

4068ac1elhodqr · 23-10-2019 6:04pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Tip of the iceberg I reckon.
But Brexit will sort it out, controlling their borders and all that. But they can do it now can't they?

Very small tip of the iceberg. Brexit may only help brexitland (if they hire more borderstaff) but the traffickers may well choose Ire as the next direct alternative destination of choice.

Bloke on the TV news said the Zeebrugge Harbourmaster sends out 4,000 containers to Dover/Eng every day. And every day they find illegal migrants trying to conceal themselves. He also mentioned there was a sharp uptake in recent weeks with this brexit stuff looming closer.

lawred2 · 23-10-2019 6:06pm

Lady Spangles wrote: »

Yes, but social media isn't exactly the most reliable of news outlets really. Some might go so far as to say social media isn't a news outlet at all. Also, at this early stage of the investigation, repeating rumours is only going to obfuscate the matter. We don't know who the driver was, beyond his name and place of origin. We know nothing about his political affiliations, paramilitary allegiances (if any) or what colour socks he prefers etc etc.

I don't know what you have to gain from this mudslinging, less still registering on the site for the sole purpose of doing so. People smuggling is a far, far bigger issue than the UVF.

Well unless this is the tip of the iceberg where the UVF and trafficking is concerned. Maybe it's very relevant.

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

Comments