Warning - May Contain Meat!

Mark Hamill · 02-10-2008 5:27pm #1

I propose we start a thread warning people of foods that contain meat. Not food that obviously contains meat, (eg hamburgers etc), but food that you wouldn't expect to contain meat (eg cakes, drinks etc).
I think that the particular ingredient should be pointed out, and any links would also be appreciated.

This thread has come from a history of being severly disappointed by foods containing meat or meat by-products that really shouldn't, things like cakes, preserves and drinks.

Tar.Aldarion · 02-10-2008 8:03pm

Ok yeah. I'd watch out for marshmellows, jelly, and many sweets. Ones like haribo, tic tacs etc. Anything with gelatin, cochineal, shellac etc. For example ggormet jelly beans say they have no gelatin on the front but contain shellac. There is also a list of E numbers which are not suitable for vegetarians.

Mr Magnolia · 02-10-2008 8:51pm

I was told years ago that Twix bars contain some form of animal fat?

I can see this being an interesting thread, even for an omnivore (me).

Tar.Aldarion · 02-10-2008 9:06pm

Mars changed all their products to non vegetarian but quickly changed their minds.

However some of them are still not vegetarian, twix is one all right.
Here are the one's you can eat: http://www.marsconsumercare.co.uk/veg_prodlst.asp

Inglorious · 02-10-2008 10:05pm

Parmesan cheese, most pesto, most toothpaste, Fanta Orange, Guinness. Might think of more later...

Thanks for the headsup about shellac, Tara. Wasn't aware of that.

sweet-rasmus · 02-10-2008 10:22pm

Shellac also known as E904. It is in nail polish, some hair sprays, and used as a binder in indian ink, among other things.

I have come across a breakfast cereal which contained beef gelatin. I can't remember the brand (it was at a friend's house and I spotted it on being offered cereal) but it was something with colouring or a topping, so not like your plain rice crispies or cornflakes.

Hundreds and thousands are worth reading the ingredient list. I know that supercook made one of their products veggie only last year.

Be wary of anything (like lidl/aldi jams that I've seen) that are red - that would be carmine aka carminic acid aka E120

Chocolate mousse also has gelatine, of course.

sweet-rasmus · 02-10-2008 10:26pm

Inglorious wrote: »

Parmesan cheese, most pesto, most toothpaste, Fanta Orange, Guinness. Might think of more later...

I wouldn't be 100% about the toothpaste. Glycerine (which I presume you are concerned about) is also known as glycerol (glycerine is usually the diluted form). It may be derived from either animal fats or vegetable fats, so usless you check with the company, you cannot be sure. I'm just starting a PhD based on conversion of glycerol, so I'm gonna damn well try to find out the sources for any stock I buy!

Mark Hamill · 03-10-2008 12:23am

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

Ok yeah. I'd watch out for marshmellows, jelly, and many sweets. Ones like haribo, tic tacs etc. Anything with gelatin, cochineal, shellac etc. For example ggormet jelly beans say they have no gelatin on the front but contain shellac.

sweet-rasmus wrote:

Shellac also known as E904. It is in nail polish, some hair sprays, and used as a binder in indian ink, among other things.

Is shellac not suitable for veggies? I thought it was ok, along the lines of honey: from Wikipedia:

Wikipedia wrote:

Once it was commonly believed that shellac was a resin obtained from the wings of an insect (order Hemiptera) found in India. In actuality, shellac is obtained from the secretion of the female insect, harvested from the bark of the trees where she deposits it to provide a sticky hold on the trunk. There is a risk that the harvesting process can scoop the insect up along with the secretion, leading to its death.

Is the risk of death a lot higher than in honey collecting (harvesting?)?

EDIT: just read the rest of the article (This coating may not be considered as vegetarian as it may, and probably does, contain crushed insects. In the tablet manufacture trade, it is sometimes referred to as "beetlejuice" for this reason.:mad:)

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

There is also a list of E numbers which are not suitable for vegetarians.

Here's one. (While looking for that, I also found this , a free application for your phone which details on all e-numbers, including if they could be sourced from animals)

I used to love Mr Kipling French Fancies until I found they contained cochineal :mad:. I went to their website, it seems that everything red contains it too.

Tar.Aldarion · 03-10-2008 1:14am

shellac is like honey if they had crushed bees in honey, as you later saw.

cochineal is a tricky one, it goes by several names. Caminic acid, it's E number.

kraggy · 03-10-2008 2:29pm

Avonmore tomato pasta thingy on the shelves says that it is suitable for vegetarians but that it may contain traces of shellfish.

I'm actually ringing about it in next couple of days.

Obviously (but just in case)

Guinness
Murphys
Wkd
Fanta Orange, Lilt
Practically all cheescake
Most if not all chewy sweets e.g. Wine gums, Cola bottles,
Some yoghurts including Diet Yoplait

And regarding e numbers, I find this very useful:

http://www.food-info.net/uk/qa/qa-fi45.htm

Edit: Just rang Glanbia there and they said that they have to put "may contain traces of shellfish" on the packaging for allergy aufferers. The "vegetarian" pasta is made in the same factory as shellfish products and they have to cover themselves in case there was any remnants of fish on the vegetarian one and somebody had a reaction.

flikflak · 03-10-2008 3:15pm

M+S Percy Pigs

I miss those

Mark Hamill · 03-10-2008 4:51pm

According to this vegetarian society article, it seems like a lot of wines, brandies and ciders are fined with gelatine, and beers cleaned with isinglass (from fish).
I'm glad I don't drink:)

Peanut · 04-10-2008 11:15pm

kraggy wrote: »

...
Practically all cheescake

Hmmm because of Gelatine?

It's true that a lot of desserts, especially mousses, will use gelatine to set the ehhh gooey bit, however I think the likelihood of it in cheesecake is not a certainty, I'm pretty sure some recipes either use egg or the soft cheese itself to provide the necessary consistency.

kraggy wrote: »

...
Some yoghurts including Diet Yoplait

Oh yeah these new fish oils in dairy products... minging!

Another one, E120 being added to some brands of honey-roast peanuts, no need for it and it makes them look a silly artifical colour.

Slaphead07 · 05-10-2008 11:23am

If we're trying to compile a definitive list of foods to avoid then we really need to take this a bit more seriously. There's plenty of cheesecake and mousse out there which don't use gelatin so lets reflect that (people should always check ingredients anyway) and according to the Kiplings box of French Fancies they are veggie.

Mark Hamill · 05-10-2008 1:01pm

Slaphead07 wrote: »

If we're trying to compile a definitive list of foods to avoid then we really need to take this a bit more seriously. There's plenty of cheesecake and mousse out there which don't use gelatin so lets reflect that (people should always check ingredients anyway) and according to the Kiplings box of French Fancies they are veggie.

Its true that not all cheesecake and moose use gelatine, but you still have to be careful if they use cheese, as the cheese may have rennet in it. As for french fancies (From Mr Kiplings own website):

As you can see, cochineal is used as the colouring, therefore they are not vegetarian (although maybe they have changed the ingredients without updating the website).

Another thing to avoid is Adez Blackcurrant and Rasberry as it contains carmine (another name for cochineal). They gloss over it here in their faqs section (question 4), where they point out its not veggie, but its still "natural". Their other flavours are suitable for veggies though.

EDIT: whats really irritating about Adez, is that on the cartons you buy, it says "colour (carmine)", but on the website, in the ingredients section, it says "colours (natural anthocyanins)". It seems like they have come up with another name under which to hide "cochineal" under :mad:

sweet-rasmus · 05-10-2008 3:39pm

But sure, we aren't missing much with adez. I tried a free sample before and it's just fruit and alot of sugar. I hope their package states clearly - not suitable for vegetarians.

For the Mr. Kipling lover out there, jsut write to them and let them know your concerns. It is a step in the right direction.

kraggy · 05-10-2008 5:40pm

Slaphead07 wrote: »

If we're trying to compile a definitive list of foods to avoid then we really need to take this a bit more seriously. There's plenty of cheesecake and mousse out there which don't use gelatin so lets reflect that (people should always check ingredients anyway) and according to the Kiplings box of French Fancies they are veggie.

I'm sure there are some alright that have no gelatin but every cheesecake I've looked at in the past had gelatin in it and that's why I said "practically" all cheesecake.

Another one for ye is Dawn Omega 3 Milk. The O3 in it is from fish.

Fish in milk. What next...

Tabitharose · 05-10-2008 11:09pm

kraggy wrote: »

Wkd

I queried this with them a few years ago & was told it was suitable for vegetarians, I might of just asked about the blue one though....

On the cheesecake issue - M&S do a baked one that's suitable for veggies & is lovely

Cochineal seems to creep into the most unexpected things in my experience

sweet-rasmus · 06-10-2008 7:32pm

Tabitharose wrote: »

On the cheesecake issue - M&S do a baked one that's suitable for veggies & is lovely

well spotted!

rubadub · 06-10-2008 7:48pm

Spiceburgers, I had a thread going in recipes and many thought they were veggie, says meat right on the front and back of the pack! no sneakiness.

Also a lot of cheap cakes have lard in them, Avoca's cookbook has lard in their apple tarts, so many pastries probably do, yet have no ingredients list.

I would imagine a lot of spirits, though containing no animal products, could have used them for fining/clearing the initial brew.

Tar.Aldarion · 06-10-2008 7:57pm

Yeah, generally the lists for alcohol/isinglass etc are good but those sneaky pastries. If Avoca ruin my tomato and basil soup I'll get them.

A lot of biscuits are not veggie. I miss cafe noir ones for a start.

taram · 07-10-2008 12:56am

Pills are an obvious one, I think of the 4 I'm currently on, only one is vegetarian. 2 have gelatine caps, one is a bright pink from carmine. Went looking for omega 3 oils for my sister and found a couple that said 'vegetarian caps!' proudly on the label but still were fish oils inside

don't get the point of that!

Whey/rennet turns up in a lot of crisps/snacks even my beloved Salt and Vinegar Snack a Jacks.

Ate about 5 packs before I checked

Random vegetable soups having chicken stock or 1% dehydrated ham or something is a pain. Ironically my sister brought two of the same brand of soup home last night, chicken had vegetable stock, vegetable had chicken stock. Can't win

sweet-rasmus · 25-10-2008 8:34pm

After reading your concern about toothpaste Ingorious, I decided to email Colgate straight away. They have taken a while to reply, as I got an email about it being forwarded to another department etc. So, I go my reply on Friday (yesterday):

From: Colgate-Palmolive Consumer Affairs 00 800 321 321 32

Subject: Your recent e-mail to Colgate

Dear <snip>,

Thank you for contacting us with your question. Your interest in our Company and our products is greatly appreciated. We are happy to have the opportunity to assist you.

All Colgate toothpaste manufactured for the European market is free from animal derived ingredients. In addition, Ultrabrite, Tonigencyl and Dentagard do not contain any animal derived ingredients. The glycerin is plant derived or synthetic.

Thank you for taking the time to contact us and for your interest in our Company and its products.

Yours sincerely

Jérôme Roux
Consumer Services Representative

I'm pretty happy about that

Nature Boy · 26-10-2008 12:58am

Do Colgate test on animals?

I'm currently working on a sort of 'community' Web site for vegetarians where this kind of info can be shared. If I didn't have a dissertation to do it would probably be done by now. Maybe early next year...

sweet-rasmus · 26-10-2008 11:00am

i'd imagine they probably do. any company making personal care products/make up tend to. unless they specifically say they didn't. but that is just a guess... feel like writing another email...?!

Inglorious · 26-10-2008 2:10pm

Thanks for that sweet-rasmus, another load off my mind. I wonder if that means that some of their American products are animal derived?

sweet-rasmus · 26-10-2008 4:46pm

precisely what i though about the american products! it's the same with some food producing companies where european versions are vegetarian and usa ones aren't and vice-versa. strange world...

MJOR · 26-10-2008 5:42pm

Muller Vitality, Yoplait everybody they both have fish in them. I'm not veggie but hate fish and could taste it. Low and behold when i read it there it was... FISH

Emerald Lass · 26-10-2008 8:44pm

Hi Guys, thanks to those of you who have told us what to avoid. But just a suggestion, when mentioning what to avoid, can you also say why? i.e what ingredient it has which makes it non-veggie? that way not only to we know what particular product to avoid, but also what specific ingredient to avoid?

One from me - Knorr pastaria ready meals. Initially they seems innocious (well except for the cheese element, but some people don't mind that). My sis made some and offered it to me a few weeks ago - I read the packet, and there is chicken fat in it (it was the one with courgettes in).

Another one is trifle - both ready made and packet make yourself varieties. Check the labelling - some contain cocheneal, others geletine. I did find one a while back in a health food shop which was veggie, but can't rememer the name right now - if I remember I will let you know (just in time for Christmas, so you can all make a trifle for dessert! lol)

ztoical · 26-10-2008 9:30pm

kraggy wrote: »

Obviously (but just in case)

Fanta Orange, Lilt
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Does that go for Club Orange as well?

sweet-rasmus · 26-10-2008 9:58pm

MJOR wrote: »

Muller Vitality, Yoplait everybody they both have fish in them. I'm not veggie but hate fish and could taste it. Low and behold when i read it there it was... FISH

Which yoplait products? I am familiar with any choc mousse containing gelatine, but haven't heard of other products.

Edit: ewww - just saw that Yoplait Nouriche Raspberry Breakfast Smoothie is "Colored With, Beet Juice Concentrate".
I've been trying to find an ingredient listing for their other products... I don't eat dairy myself, but it would be good to let those who eat dairy know.

Few people know that the food coloring listed as cochineal extract comes from female beetles. Food activists want to spread the word.

When you dig into a strawberry Yoplait yogurt, take a moment to contemplate where the beautiful pink color comes from. Strawberries? Think again. It comes from crushed bugs. Specifically, from the female cochineal beetles and their eggs. And it's not just yogurt. The bugs are also used to give red coloring to Hershey Good & Plenty candies, Tropicana grapefruit juice, and other common foods.

What Companies Do to Improve the Look & Taste of Your Food

You won't find "crushed bugs" on the list of ingredients for any of these foods, however. Companies have a bit of latitude in describing exactly what they put in our food. Many larger companies, such as General Mills, the manufacturer of Yoplait and Pepsi, the maker of Tropicana, identify the dye in their products as either carmine, or cochineal extract. Still, many companies simply list "artificial color" on their ingredients list without giving any details.

from http://money.aol.com/bw/general/canvas3/_a/whats-in-my-food/20060808141909990001

i don't like to think they can get away with 'artificial colours' as a label. argh!

Tabitharose · 27-10-2008 1:14am

http://www.nestle.co.uk/Nutrition/EatingHealthier/Food+Facts.htm

nestle give a list of what is veggie friendly which is good so you basically know to avoid anything not on the list lol

from the coca cola website the following contain fish gelatine:

'Fanta' Orange and 'Fanta' Zero Orange
'Lilt ' and 'Lilt' Zero
'Five Alive' Squash Citrus Burst
'Five Alive' Squash Tropical Hit
'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash no added sugar
'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash no added sugar
'Minute Maid' Orange & Passionfruit
'Schweppes' Slimline Orange Crush

Danone also use cochineal to colour some of their red fruit flavoured yoghurts but as far as I can remember they do label them "not suitable for vegetarians" from their website:

Why are some products not suitable for vegetarians?
The Food Standards Agency provides guidance on the labelling of a product with "Suitable for vegetarians." It provides that the term ‘vegetarian’ should not be applied to foods that are, or are made from or with the aid of products derived from animals that have died, have been slaughtered, or animals that die as a result of being eaten. Animals means farmed, wild or domestic animals, including for example, livestock poultry, game, fish, shellfish, crustacea, amphibians, tunicates, echinoderms, molluscs and insects. All due care has been taken to ensure that Danone products labelled as "Suitable for vegetarians" follow this guidance. Some ingredients used to enhance colour, for example, cochineal, are not vegetarian and products containing such ingredients will not be labelled as "suitable for vegetarians." Therefore, it is important that vegetarians check product labels before consuming.

sweet-rasmus · 27-10-2008 11:42am

Good set of info here

Just for people too lazy, I'm gonna post in the info from the Nestle site...

VEGETARIAN LIST

All products on this list are free from meat, fish and their derivatives.
Please note: Some products on this list have been fortified with Vitamin D3
sourced from lanolin (sheep's wool). Recourse to that information should enable
you to decide whether you wish to avoid any particular Nestle product.

1) BEVERAGES

Coffeemate: Original & Light, Latte Creations (all Flavours)
Nestle Boost Juice Drinks: All Varieties
Nescafé Alta Rica: Alta Rica
Nescafé Black Gold: Black Gold
Nescafé Blend 37: Blend 37
Nescafé Cap Colombie: Cap Colombie
Nescafé Cappuccino: Café Caramel, Café Hazelnut, Café Vanilla, Decaffeinated, Latté, Mocha, Original, Unsweetened, Double Choca Mocha, Unsweetened Decaff, Irish Cream, Skinny, Latte Skinny, Cappuccino Skinny with one topping
Nescafe Classic: 3 in 1 sachets
Nescafe Dolce Gusto: All Varieties
Nescafé Espresso: Espresso
Nescafé Fine Blend: Fine Blend
Nescafé Gold Blend: Gold Blend, Decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafé Original: Original, Decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafe: Suraya
Nescafe: Parisien
Nescafé To Go: Black Coffee, Decaffeinated Black Coffee, Hot Chocolate
Nestle Aero: Hot Choc, Hot choc Mint, Orange
Nesfrappe: Mocha Latte, Classic Latte
Nesquik Fresh: All Flavours
Nesquik Go: Choc Pouches 4 x90g
Nesquik Magic Straws: Chocolate
Nesquik Powder Plus: All Varieties
Rowntrees Cocoa: Rowntrees cocoa
Skinny Cow: Hot Choc, Mint

2) CEREALS & CEREAL BARS

All Cereals and Cereal Bars are vegetarian

3) CONFECTIONERY AND CAKES

Aero: Milk Chocolate, Peppermint, White, Caramel. Bubbles, Orange, Orange Delight
After Eight: Dark Chocolate Mints, Orange Chocolate Mints, White Chocolate Mints, Premium Bag Milk & Dark, Bar 80g Milk & Dark, Bitesize, Dark 85% cocoa
Black Magic: All new sweets, Dark Chocolate Thins, 100g Bars: Almond & Raisin, Almond, Dark choc
Blue Riband: Blue Riband
Breakaway: Milk Chocolate,
Caramac: Caramac
Drifter: Drifter
Heaven: Dark Truffle and Milk Orange Truffle Bar, Hazlenut Crème Bar, Milk Truffle bar, Perles Dark truffle, Dark chocolate bar, Assorted Neapoloitans, Brownie truffle
Kit Kat: Milk, Mint, Orange, White, 2 & 4 finger dark, Chunky, Cappuccino
Marc De Champagne Cocktail: Truffles Marc De Champagne Cocktail Truffles
Matchmakers: All Varieties, Honeycomb
Milky Bar: Original MilkyBar, Buttons, Choo, Milky Bar Munchies, Sandwich Biscuit Choco Mousse. Raspberry Filled Bar, Milkybar Buttons Pure, Milkybar Pure, Moments, Milkybar cake mix
Munchies: Original, Mint, Munchie Munchies,
Nesquik Snack: Chocolate
Nesquik Crunch: White
Nestle: Choc Cake Bar
Polo: Original Mints, Spearmint, Sugar free Mints, Extra Strong
Quality Street: All sweets, Big Purple One, Big Green Triangle, Big Orange Crunch, My Caramel Swirl, Toffees & Caramels (Delux) Hanging Bag Toffee Assortment
Rolo: Standard, Filled Egg, Rolo Choc Brownie cake mix
Rowntree’s: Jelly Tots, Jelly Tots cup Cakes
Toffee Crisp: Original, Toffee Crisp Biscuit, Popcorn (launched early 2008)
Walnut Whip: Vanilla
Yorkie: Milk Chocolate, Raisin & Biscuit, Yorkie Biscuit, Yorkie Classic Muffin, Yorkie Giant cookie mix, Yorkie Boulders

3) CHILLED MEATS/ CULINARY

No suitable Products

5) MILKS AND CREAMS

Carnation: Carnation Evaporated Milk, Light, Thick & Creamy Custard,Sweetened Condensed Milk, Light Condensed Milk, Extra Thick Cream, Caramel, Chocolate,Custard, Creamed Rice
Tip Top: Tip Top, Tip Top Squirty all flavours, Vanilla, Chocolate

6) NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS

Build Up Nutren Instant Custard: Custard
Build Up Nutren Original: Original
Build Up Nutren Milky Drinks: Banana, Chocolate, Lemon & Lime, Strawberry, Vanilla
Build Up Soups: Tomato, Potato & Leek, Vegetable

7) PASTA & CHEESE

Buitoni: All varieties of dry pasta, Pasta Sauces (all varieties)

8) YOGURTS, FROMAGE FRAIS AND DESSERTS

Disney Desserts: Tigger Yogurt, Winnie the Pooh Fromage Frais (Chocolate, Fruit) Winnie The Pooh Chocolate Pot
Milky Bar: Fromage Frais, Split Pots,White Choc Dessert 6 Pack, NOT 2 & 4 Packs
Munch Bunch: Munch Bunch Yogurt, Squashums Straw, Fromage Frais, Double Up Fromage Frais,
Nesquik: Chocolate Pots Fromage Frais
Nestle Heaven Desserts: All Varieties
Nestlé Dessert Sauce: Caramel, Chocolate
Ski Yogurts: All Varieties
Superman Yogurt: Strawberry, Peach

At the time of going to press this list is accurate, however our policy of continuous
product improvement may result in changes, so we recommend you check the label.

The VEGAN list is a lot smaller:

1) BEVERAGES

Nestle Boost Juice Drinks: All Varieties
Nescafé Alta Rica: Alta Rica
Nescafé Black Gold: Black Gold
Nescafé Blend 37: Blend 37
Nescafé Cap Colombie: Cap Colombie
Nescafe Dolce Gusto: Espresso, Café Lungo, Lungo Decaf, Espresso Intenso, Caffe Clássico Roast Ground Coffee & Decaf
Nescafé Espresso: Espresso
Nescafé Fine Blend: Fine Blend
Nescafé Gold Blend: Gold Blend, decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafé Original: Original, Decaffeinated, Half Caff
Nescafe Parisien: Parisien
Nescafe Suraya: Suraya
Nescafe To Go Black: coffee, Decaffeinated Black Coffee
Nesquik Magic Straws: Chocolate
Rowntrees Cocoa Powder: Cocoa Powder

3) CONFECTIONERY AND CAKES

Jelly tots: Jelly tots
Polo: Original Mints, Spearmint, Sugar free Mints, Xtra Strong

4) CHILLED MEATS/ CULINARY
No suitable products

5) NUTRITIONAL SUPPLEMENTS
No suitable products

6) PASTA & CHEESE

Buitoni: All varieties of dry pasta
Pasta Sauces: (all varieties)

7) YOGURTS, FROMAGE FRAIS AND DESSERTS

Nestlé Dessert Sauce: Caramel, Chocolate

Tabitharose · 27-10-2008 2:02pm

Veggie list: to be compiled. see webpage

Vegan list:

Coco Pops
Coco Pops Mega Munchers
Corn Flakes
Frosties
Frosties Reduced Sugar
Fruit Winders
Just Right
Rice Krispies
Rice Krispies Multi-Grain Shapes
Special K
Raisin Wheats

http://www.kelloggs.co.uk/products/default.aspx

Edited to save confusion. The full kellogs product list had been pasted twice (the honey included jumped out at me!). The Kellogs website just list them all, with non-vegetarian included, whereas only pictures are provided for the special diets. You will need to pick out the veggie ones from the pics (noticeably none with marshmallow). There were so few vegan ones that I just wrote them out.

ztoical · 27-10-2008 3:34pm

Tabitharose wrote: »

Rice Krispies Squares Chewy Marshmallow

When I look at the veggie list on the website the chewy marshmallow squares don't come up. Marshmallow is listed as an Ingredient but it doesn't give the Ingredients for the marshmallow.

Fad · 27-10-2008 5:05pm

ztoical wrote: »

When I look at the veggie list on the website the chewy marshmallow squares don't come up. Marshmallow is listed as an Ingredient but it doesn't give the Ingredients for the marshmallow.

Rice Krispy squares?
Last time I saw the ingredients it said Beef Gelatin, was a while ago though.

Frosted Shredded Wheat, has beef gelatin too.

ztoical · 27-10-2008 5:20pm

Fad wrote: »

Rice Krispy squares?
Last time I saw the ingredients it said Beef Gelatin, was a while ago though.

Missed it the first time [shows you need to keep eyes peeled when looking at labels] but the website does list Pork Gelatin in the squares. The Rice Krispies Squares Crazy Choc also have pork gelatin in them.

Tar.Aldarion · 27-10-2008 7:14pm

Really doubt anything with marshmellow is veggie.

sweet-rasmus · 27-10-2008 10:46pm

All fixed, you guys. The Kellogs website is oddly laid out and the poster posted what he/she thought was a veggie list. Whoever wants to type out the veggie list from the pics, go ahead

edit: I've emailed Kellogs and asked them to layout their products page in a way which lists the special diets in words, to make it clearer (for you guys) and said that their current layout is a bit messy. I wonder if I'll hear back from them...

Tabitharose · 27-10-2008 11:19pm

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

All fixed, you guys. The Kellogs website is oddly laid out and the poster posted what he/she thought was a veggie list.

yes indeed that is what you call me being an idiot - sorry & thanks for sorting it out for me - was looking at their website yesterday & then posted that really quickly today without checking what I was at properly :rolleyes:

Peanut · 29-10-2008 12:10am

sweet-rasmus wrote: »

..
Edit: ewww - just saw that Yoplait Nouriche Raspberry Breakfast Smoothie is "Colored With, Beet Juice Concentrate".
..

May not be so bad.. that sounds more like beetroot juice extract than beetlejuice :-p

Mark Hamill · 29-10-2008 7:25pm

ztoical wrote: »

Does that go for Club Orange as well?

Well, according to their website, Club Orange ingredients are

Carbonated Water,
Sugar,
Orange Juice from concentrate (11%),
Citric Acid,
Preservatives (Sodium Benzoate, Sodium Metabisulphite),
Colours (Beta Carotene, Apocarotenal),
Antioxidant (Ascorbic Acid).

So it seems its ok for veggies.

Tar.Aldarion · 29-10-2008 7:29pm

Depends on the beta carotene, a lot of the stuff in drinks is not vegetarian.

Mark Hamill · 29-10-2008 7:47pm

Found this pdf of the food from four star pizza and this pdf of the deserts and side-orders, which indicates, amongst other things whats veggie and what isn't. Things to look out for (besides the obvious):
Ciabatta Bread, Potato skins, Garlic Pizza Bread.

Here are similar ones from Pizza Hut, one for ingredients, and one for allergens. Unfortunately neither one specifically says anything about being suitable for vegetarians (the first just lists ingredients, the second points out if shellfish, milk, peanuts etc are in the food). However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

sweet-rasmus · 29-10-2008 8:23pm

Peanut wrote: »

May not be so bad.. that sounds more like beetroot juice extract than beetlejuice :-p

oh.. i was perhaps reading that wrong.

beetroots rock

give me beetroot chocolate cake anyday

sweet-rasmus · 29-10-2008 8:28pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Found this pdf of the food from four star pizza and this pdf of the deserts and side-orders, which indicates, amongst other things whats veggie and what isn't. Things to look out for (besides the obvious):
Ciabatta Bread, Potato skins, Garlic Pizza Bread.

I suppose they may be prepared in an area where meat is also used in the work surfaces/on the trays, so they are covering themselves.

Personally, I amn't keen on things like.. you order a sandwich from a sandwich making place - you see them slice a chicken filled sandwich with the same knife that they are about to use on your sandwich - order canceled!

Peanut · 29-10-2008 11:26pm

Mark Hamill wrote: »

...However, seeing as all the cheeses apparently contain "enzymes", I am going to assume this means rennt, which makes them unsuitable for veggies, so I guess I wont be going to Pizza Hut again.

Hmm I think Pizza Hut are pretty good about being veggie with their cheese..
I would guess that the enyzmes probably cover microbial rennet and similar things.

kraggy · 30-10-2008 10:18pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Depends on the beta carotene, a lot of the stuff in drinks is not vegetarian.

What animal does it come from Tar?

I've looked it up and it seems mostly, at least, to come from algae.

Tar.Aldarion · 30-10-2008 11:14pm

kraggy wrote: »

What animal does it come from Tar?

I've looked it up and it seems mostly, at least, to come from algae.

I believe some(?) beta carotene in drinks would use gelatin stabalizers that would not be necessary in food. Don't know too much about it.

Mark Hamill · 31-10-2008 3:57pm

Peanut wrote: »

Hmm I think Pizza Hut are pretty good about being veggie with their cheese..
I would guess that the enyzmes probably cover microbial rennet and similar things.

Could be, but then you would expect them to have "suitable for vegetarian" on their website and menus. If they don't say it on their menus then I prefer to play it safe.

sweet-rasmus · 31-10-2008 8:57pm

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I believe some(?) beta carotene in drinks would use gelatin stabalizers that would not be necessary in food. Don't know too much about it.

Yes, that's what I heard also.
Quote from the uk coca cola website: http://www.coca-cola.co.uk/faq/
(Part of this quote was already posted on page 1 of this thread)

# Can you tell me which of your products are suitable for vegetarians?

None of the products of Coca-Cola Great Britain contain ingredients derived from mammals. As some practicing vegetarians avoid fish products as well, it is important to note that some of our products contain minute traces of fish gelatine, which is used as a stabiliser for the beta-carotene colour. These products are:

* 'Fanta' Orange and 'Fanta' Zero Orange
* 'Lilt ' and 'Lilt' Zero
* 'Five Alive' Squash Citrus Burst
* 'Five Alive' Squash Tropical Hit
* 'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange Squash no added sugar
* 'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash and 'Kia-Ora' Orange & Pineapple Squash no added sugar
* 'Minute Maid' Orange & Passionfruit
* 'Schweppes' Slimline Orange Crush

Warning - May Contain Meat!

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