Heavyweight Boxing

normanoffside · 15-12-2019 3:06pm

walshb wrote: »

Fury and Davison part ways!

That's a shocker, especially as Peter Fury can't travel to the states.

Dont be at yourself · 15-12-2019 3:06pm

walshb wrote: »

Fury and Davison part ways!

Wow, what happened there?

normanoffside · 15-12-2019 3:16pm

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Wow, what happened there?

That's all we have

https://twitter.com/BenDavison_/status/1206207872557879297

weemcd · 15-12-2019 4:05pm

Kinda gutted Fury and Davison have parted ways. I thought they had great chemistry. I know Fury's dad was highly critical after the Wallin fight so that might be something to do with it?

I think Fury's last camp was lacking discipline, he said himself he was drinking beer etc in the lead up. I'd imagine it's a full time job keeping Fury going off the rails at the best of times.

walshb · 15-12-2019 4:10pm

weemcd wrote: »

Kinda gutted Fury and Davison have parted ways. I thought they had great chemistry. I know Fury's dad was highly critical after the Wallin fight so that might be something to do with it?

I think Fury's last camp was lacking discipline, he said himself he was drinking beer etc in the lead up. I'd imagine it's a full time job keeping Fury going off the rails at the best of times.

Fury is just full of excuses. Always blaming his behaviours on this, that and the other...

Cyrus · 15-12-2019 7:15pm

walshb wrote: »

Fury is just full of excuses. Always blaming his behaviours on this, that and the other...

Excuses for what ? He is unbeaten and was unified hw champ

What a whinger

Mantis Toboggan · 15-12-2019 7:40pm

walshb wrote: »

Fury is just full of excuses. Always blaming his behaviours on this, that and the other...

What excuses was he making?

walshb · 15-12-2019 7:48pm

Wild boar.......un-castrated....there’s one...👌

normanoffside · 15-12-2019 9:43pm

Fury has confimed he has moved to Kronk to train under SugarHill Steward

selectamatic · 15-12-2019 10:09pm

walshb wrote: »

Wild boar.......un-castrated....there’s one...ðŸ‘Œ

It was David Haye's fault he got fat back in the day too.

While it was perfectly acceptable to give out about Haye pr1cking him about, piling on the pounds and then returning after nearly a year out to fight a loser like Joey Abell showed a fair bit of indiscipline on his behalf.

He got in great shape during the remainder of 2014 and 2015 though.

squinn2912 · 15-12-2019 11:54pm

Fury and Davison split that’s ok but it’s nothing to do with Fury making up excuses or not. The impression was never that he’d be there for the long haul. His tactics and training plan were excellent for the wilder fight but concerns may have been justified based on Wallin fight possibly more. Announcement should come soon on. New trainer

normanoffside · 15-12-2019 11:58pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Fury and Davison split that’s ok but it’s nothing to do with Fury making up excuses or not. The impression was never that he’d be there for the long haul. His tactics and training plan were excellent for the wilder fight but concerns may have been justified based on Wallin fight possibly more. Announcement should come soon on. New trainer

Already announced 2 posts up

walshb · 16-12-2019 12:00am

My excuses post was nothing do with their split...

Was just a general Fury observation.

Mantis Toboggan · 16-12-2019 12:01am

walshb wrote: »

My excuses post was nothing do with their split...

Was just a general Fury observation.

Never miss an opportunity

squinn2912 · 16-12-2019 12:10am

normanoffside wrote: »

Already announced 2 posts up

Who is the new trainer

normanoffside · 16-12-2019 2:30am

squinn2912 wrote: »

Who is the new trainer

SugarHill Steward.
Manny Stewards nephew, took over Kronk after Manny, close to Andy Lee.

BDI · 16-12-2019 7:28am

I wonder is he struggling for motivation to get fit for February or is the other lad getting more money to go elsewhere(surely not 2 months before such a big fight).

squinn2912 · 16-12-2019 1:18pm

normanoffside wrote: »

SugarHill Steward.
Manny Stewards nephew, took over Kronk after Manny, close to Andy Lee.

Sorry I misread your post earlier!! Thanks for spelling it out to me haha.

Hands up I'm gonna need to get on google to check this guy out. If he's anything like Manny then he couldn't be bad. Davison was at the Wilder/Ortiz fight. Sure, he may have gone anyhow but it would suggest he didn't know much about the split. What do you guys think from the fights? All in all I think he had Fury performing at as high a level as anyone could expect.

walshb · 16-12-2019 1:59pm

Trainers get overrated and underrated at times....

They are not in the ring with the fighter....

squinn2912 · 16-12-2019 2:20pm

walshb wrote: »

Trainers get overrated and underrated at times....

They are not in the ring with the fighter....

Of course not it's up to the fighter but nearly all of them refer to 'we' rather than 'me' when interviewed about their fights. Ali of course referred to both!

I think the trainer makes a big difference.

yourdeadwright · 16-12-2019 2:24pm

I'd imaginethe split is due to

yourdeadwright · 16-12-2019 2:41pm

I'd imagine the split is due to concerns from Tyson's family that Ben wasn't good enough, Tyson needs to go into the rematch with everyone pulling the same direction i reckon it just makes it easier on everyone for them to split,
I see they are confined there been no falling out between them

normanoffside · 16-12-2019 2:50pm

Fury Tagged Andy Lee in the announcement of his new trainer.
It looks like Andy will have some part in the coaching team to me.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2019/12/15/21023374/tyson-fury-split-ben-davison-new-trainer-kronk-sugarhill-steward-wilder-rematch-heavyweight-boxing?fbclid=IwAR0WmYSeOu3nO2iTK_DBlF6r-jpiLQYdax4jvBFl93NRagbIfT2IgcL-T1Y

simongurnick · 17-12-2019 4:16am

Wasnt his dad saying tyson was drinking before the last fight? Maybe him and ben were too chummy.

squinn2912 · 17-12-2019 12:47pm

I see Joshua offered fury sparring for the wilder fight. Not sure it would be so much benefit to fury but I’d love to be a fly on the wall there all the same

walshb · 17-12-2019 1:00pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I see Joshua offered fury sparring for the wilder fight. Not sure it would be so much benefit to fury but I’d love to be a fly on the wall there all the same

Be too risky for Fury, as he'd likely get knocked out.

Cyrus · 17-12-2019 1:20pm

walshb wrote: »

Be too risky for Fury, as he'd likely get knocked out.

He has never been knocked out and Joshua won’t be the one to knock him out , wilder maybe .

Big Ears · 17-12-2019 1:21pm

walshb wrote: »

Be too risky for Fury, as he'd likely get knocked out.

Hasn't been knocked out in his career to date, despite fighting Wladamir Klitschko and Deontay Wilder, but a few rounds sparring ( which would probably be far less intense than a fight) against Anthona Joshua and he would 'likely' be knocked out !

Not just that he could, but 'likely' !
Seems Joshua must be holding something back he didn't show us in the Ruiz fights.........or ever.

walshb · 17-12-2019 1:36pm

Well, he'll be proper knocked out on Feb 22....

Wondering what the excuse will be....

Beer, coke, bipolar?

squinn2912 · 17-12-2019 2:30pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, he'll be proper knocked out on Feb 22....

Wondering what the excuse will be....

Beer, coke, bipolar?

Ho ho ho!!!

You rarely see elite hws spar each other possibly to avoid giving anything away or getting hurt. Fury’s best chance to beat Joshua would be on a one off night. That sparing would benefit Joshua more than fury. Not good preparation for wilder anyway.

I hope the best version of fury fights wilder. Could still be knocked out but I think any hw gets knocked out from a wilder haymaker

Big Ears · 17-12-2019 2:49pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, he'll be proper knocked out on Feb 22....

Wondering what the excuse will be....

Beer, coke, bipolar?

17/10 on Paddy Power, throw a few grand on it and you'll be laughing.

normanoffside · 17-12-2019 3:09pm

I see Fury has accepted AJ’s offer of sparring.

Brief_Lives · 17-12-2019 3:35pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I see Fury has accepted AJ’s offer of sparring.

Where did you see this?
thanks

blade1 · 17-12-2019 3:42pm

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-responds-anthony-joshuas-21114282

normanoffside · 17-12-2019 3:54pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

Where did you see this?
thanks

He posted a video accepting and also complimenting AJ

Big Ears · 17-12-2019 4:04pm

normanoffside wrote: »

He posted a video accepting and also complimenting AJ

Fury will be gearing himself up for another mental battle in the sauna !

BDI · 17-12-2019 4:42pm

Expect Joshua to make such friends during sparring with fury he will declare that they are friends for life and could never fight.

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2019 4:57pm

It would never happen but if it did AJ would actually gain the most for the sparring,
I say that because Tyson is so awkward and different to your average heavy weight I feel most would have a better chance of beating him second time around,

So if AJ ever does fight him having sparred him would help ,

I feel Wilder is even more dangerous this time after having face Fury once,
Unfortunately I see Fury out boxing Wilder but being caught around round 8 and being knocked out,

But i'll be up for Fury as i'd love to see him win and go after AJ,

Mantis Toboggan · 17-12-2019 5:05pm

Yeah would love to see a Fury win but you'd have to expect that at some stage Wilder will connect and this time it will be lights out. That man just has dynamite fists.

Cyrus · 17-12-2019 8:30pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, he'll be proper knocked out on Feb 22....

Wondering what the excuse will be....

Beer, coke, bipolar?

You must wonder a lot given he has never lost and thus never had to give a reason

nacho libre · 17-12-2019 10:38pm

walshb wrote: »

Well, he'll be proper knocked out on Feb 22....

Wondering what the excuse will be....

Beer, coke, bipolar?

if he isn't, how will you play it? Wilder wasn't that good, perhaps. the one certanity is you won't give unqualified praise to Fury should he win;)

nacho libre · 17-12-2019 10:40pm

normanoffside wrote: »

He posted a video accepting and also complimenting AJ

Is he calling his bluff? What I mean by that is Joshua's offer really a genuine one?

walshb · 17-12-2019 11:28pm

nacho libre wrote: »

if he isn't, how will you play it? Wilder wasn't that good, perhaps. the one certanity is you won't give unqualified praise to Fury should he win;)

Wilder isn’t that good. We all know this....

But he has power...

Btw, my advice to Fury would be to go and try KO Wilder....

Not reckless, just measured, and with some real commitment...

He could play the cautious and safe and careful way, and pray for points....but, for me that is too risky...

Give it a real go, and he may just have enough power to hurt Wilder...

It’s simple: the longer Wilder is still there standing, the more time he is given to obliterate you!

squinn2912 · 18-12-2019 2:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Wilder isn’t that good. We all know this....

But he has power...

Btw, my advice to Fury would be to go and try KO Wilder....

Not reckless, just measured, and with some real commitment...

He could play the cautious and safe and careful way, and pray for points....but, for me that is too risky...

Give it a real go, and he may just have enough power to hurt Wilder...

It’s simple: the longer Wilder is still there standing, the more time he is given to obliterate you!

I agree to an extent. Ortiz schooled wilder for four rounds and then got confident and committed more, leaving himself more open. He switched off for a second allowing the jab in but didn’t realise what was coming along with it.

Fury needs to make sure he’s not hit clean. I think he can go for a later ko but commuting early is suicide for him with wilder

walshb · 18-12-2019 3:15pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

I agree to an extent. Ortiz schooled wilder for four rounds and then got confident and committed more, leaving himself more open. He switched off for a second allowing the jab in but didn’t realise what was coming along with it.

Fury needs to make sure he’s not hit clean. I think he can go for a later ko but commuting early is suicide for him with wilder

Early, middle, or late. A punch or two is a punch or two.....

If Wilder can be hurt, then he can ne hurt.....doesn't matter if its early, mid or late...

The key is that whenever it is, that Fury is methodical, measured and committed.

Who's to say that Fury will have the stamina and energy and power in the mid to later rds? It's all ifs and buts...

Mantis Toboggan · 18-12-2019 3:22pm

Fury's best bet is to try outbox Wilder and win either on points or through a late stoppage. If he goes in looking for an early KO and turns it into a slugging match he will almost certainly lose.

ThunderCat · 18-12-2019 4:20pm

I was watching sky sports yesterday when they had Joshua in studio doing a run through of his potential opponents and his offer of sparring did seem genuine although I doubt it would happen. But if it did and I were Fury, I'd sabotage that spar just enough to get Joshua thinking he has his number should they fight. The fight might then get made but judging by his comments yesterday it seems to me that Pulev then Usyk could be the next two.

Butson · 18-12-2019 4:38pm

https://www.offtheball.com/other-sports/tyson-fury-trainer-lee-939999

walshb · 18-12-2019 5:19pm

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

Fury's best bet is to try outbox Wilder and win either on points or through a late stoppage. If he goes in looking for an early KO and turns it into a slugging match he will almost certainly lose.

He doesn't have to get into a slugging match to score a KO at any stage of the fight.....

But, you bring up something....a good solid "working over offense," to maybe force a cumulative/referee stoppage...

It will have to be a whole lot more effective and heavier than what he laid on Wilder last year, though. Needs to actually hit him clean and hard....

Right from bell 1 he needs to be landing shots that are clean and hard and kind of stunning.

Similar to the Ali shots that he landed with regularity on Foreman in 1973.

squinn2912 · 18-12-2019 7:09pm

walshb wrote: »

He doesn't have to get into a slugging match to score a KO at any stage of the fight.....

But, you bring up something....a good solid "working over offense," to maybe force a cumulative/referee stoppage...

It will have to be a whole lot more effective and heavier than what he laid on Wilder last year, though. Needs to actually hit him clean and hard....

Right from bell 1 he needs to be landing shots that are clean and hard and kind of stunning.

Similar to the Ali shots that he landed with regularity on Foreman in 1973.

That’s the kind of strategy I’m advocating. Those type of smacks that will stop wilder in his tracks and anger him. Then he will be open to the counter. While fury has good agile footwork and head movement he doesn’t throw anything like Ali. He’s cumbersome and doesn’t get much behind shots usually. I believe he needs to come up with something to fluster wilder. Wilder will be better and likely more aggressive. Fury will need to be excellent

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