Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

Phat Cat · 04-11-2019 1:52pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I hope you contacted them and the NTA.

I most certainly did!

cherryghost · 05-11-2019 10:44am

Phat Cat wrote: »

I most certainly did!

'Apologies, operational issues' is generic ****e I get back normally.

Phat Cat · 05-11-2019 1:26pm

cherryghost wrote: »

'Apologies, operational issues' is generic ****e I get back normally.

One of the buses was cancelled due to a faulty wheelchair ramp apparently

devnull · 09-11-2019 11:00am

New timetables on a number of routes from 1st December
https://www.transportforireland.ie/go-ahead-ireland/

On Sunday 1st December 2019, timetables will be changing on a selection of routes to add extra journeys to increase capacity, improve punctuality and reliability.

The changes were based on journey data which was collected by the buses in service in addition to customer feedback.

The routes which will be changing are:
18 Palmerstown to Sandymount

75 Tallaght to Dún Laoghaire

76 Tallaght to Chapelizod

76A Tallaght to Blanchardstown

175 UCD to Citywest

236 & 236A Blanchardstown to Damastown

In most cases, the time the bus leaves the first stop is different to how it is in the current timetable. Running time for every trip has been analysed and adjusted, with running time added or removed as necessary.

In addition to the above, route specific changes are summarised below.

18 – Palmerstown to Sandymount (Valid from 1st Dec)
An extra morning trip from Palmerstown to Sandymount has been added

An extra late afternoon trip has been added from Palmerstown

An extra evening peak trip has been added from Sandymount. Departures now leave every 15 minutes between

17:00 and 18:00 instead of every 20 minutes

75/75A – Tallaght to Dún Laoghaire (Valid from 1st Dec)
Changes are limited to running time changes and also changes to the time the bus leaves the first stop

76/76A Tallaght to Chapelizod (and Blanchardstown) (Valid from 1st Dec)
On Mondays to Fridays and on Saturdays the evening frequency has been increased to every 20 minutes

All journeys now run the full length of the route, none terminate at Ballyfermot

175 UCD to Citywest (Valid from 1st Dec)
An extra evening trip has been added from UCD to Citywest Monday to Friday

Evening departures from UCD are slightly later than the current timetable

236/236A Blanchardstown to Damastown (Valid from 1st Dec)
The 06:55 236 journey from Blanchardstown will now leave at 06:50

The 07:25 236A journey from Damastown will now leave at 07:30

dublinman1990 · 25-11-2019 8:11pm

Re: Their training buses.

GAI have included a new livery for their ex - GA London double deckers in their driving school fleet.

It is coloured in purple & orange.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/darren_hall/49122599618/in/photostream/lightbox/

tabbey · 26-11-2019 1:00pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Re: Their training buses.

GAI have included a new livery for their ex - GA London double deckers in their driving school fleet.

It is coloured in purple & orange.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/darren_hall/49122599618/in/photostream/lightbox/

Not exactly my choice in liveries.

AngryLips · 28-11-2019 8:20pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Re: Their training buses.

GAI have included a new livery for their ex - GA London double deckers in their driving school fleet.

It is coloured in purple & orange.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/darren_hall/49122599618/in/photostream/lightbox/

Is it meant to look like a double decker chocolate bar on purpose?

punisher5112 · 28-11-2019 8:24pm

The blue doesn't stand out where bright colours do.

Phat Cat · 30-11-2019 1:08am

The 63 from Dún Laoghaire station that was due at 18:05 pulled a hoodini today. It miraculously arrived at 18:30 with the 18:35 coming five minutes after it. Even at peak times this service is s**t.

Anyway I emailed Go-Head and got this long winded half-arsed response:

Good evening,

I refer to your email to Transport for Ireland in relation to the 63 service.

I was sorry to learn of the problems you encountered. There can be many reasons as to why a service is delayed or is missing.

Following the implementation of services, Go-Ahead is reviewing the reliability and punctuality of services, as well as taking into consideration feedback from customers. Following this review, Go-Ahead may apply to the NTA to make further changes to timetables and/or routes, taking into account any knock on effect to passengers on other sections of the route.

Transport for Ireland (TFI) enables Real Time Passenger Information (RTPI) systems on GAI's new routes. These systems include bus stop information, TFI National Journey Planner and TFI RT apps. TFI has identified some instabilities which have affected GAI services but is working to resolve the issues.

The NTA is actively investigating the quality of bus arrival predictions at bus stops, in conjunction with Go-Ahead Ireland and the technical suppliers. Specific locations are being examined , as well as broader issues across Go-Ahead Ireland's bus network. It is hoped that this examination will improve the quality of these predictions in the near future so that information across all products is more consistent and accurate

Also new timetables are being released on December 1st in hoping for 100% improvement.

Apology's on this situation

Kind regards,

The Customer Care Team | Go-Ahead Ireland
phone 1850 80 40 71
email customercomment@goaheadireland.ie
goaheadireland.ie | @GoAheadIreland
Go-Ahead Ireland | Ballymount Road Lower | Dublin 12 | D12 X201 | Ireland

Joker2019 · 30-11-2019 1:37am

Phat Cat wrote: »

The 63 from Dún Laoghaire station that was due at 18:05 pulled a hoodini today. It miraculously arrived at 18:30 with the 18:35 coming five minutes after it. Even at peak times this service is s**t.

Anyway I emailed Go-Head and got this long winded half-arsed response:

Ever heard of a thing called traffic its hardly miraculous. Bus could have come in off an inbound 75 a route notorious for traffic delays or was stuck in traffic coming on the M50 from Ballymount. If it came in off another 63 most of the route does not have bus lanes and I can think of a number of places off the top of my head where that route suffers delays. For example the traffic can be a nightmare coming off the m50 up around Carrickmines.

Better Than Christ · 30-11-2019 9:38am

Phat Cat wrote: »

The 63 from Dún Laoghaire station that was due at 18:05 pulled a hoodini today. It miraculously arrived at 18:30 with the 18:35 coming five minutes after it. Even at peak times this service is s**t.

Anyway I emailed Go-Head and got this long winded half-arsed response:

That bus came in off a 75, due at Dun Laoghaire Station at 1752. It was over half an hour late due to traffic. Traffic was particularly chaotic yesterday because of 'black Friday'. The 75 is getting a new timetable from tomorrow, which will hopefully improve reliability.

punisher5112 · 01-12-2019 7:35pm

Having the 75 go around dundrum Luas is a joke.

There is a 14 and 175 serving the Luas and as soon as the 90 minutes travel comes in people could jump off and onto other services and not be charged.

I seen they took the shelters out up past the Garda station.

Joker2019 · 06-12-2019 7:29pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

I seen they took the shelters out up past the Garda station.

They've got rid of the old 59 shelters on Johnstown Road as well

thomasj · 07-12-2019 8:10pm

If you're waiting for a 220 in mountview road this is the bus stop information.

Remember Dublin bus no longer serves this stop!

howiya · 08-12-2019 11:00am

Is there any reason why a go-ahead route would pass a bus stop and not serve it?

I don't know if the route would have served this stop in its Dublin Bus days but the stop hasn't had the TFI makeover so it's intentionally not serving the stop.

punisher5112 · 08-12-2019 11:14am

howiya wrote: »

Is there any reason why a go-ahead route would pass a bus stop and not serve it?

I don't know if the route would have served this stop in its Dublin Bus days but the stop hasn't had the TFI makeover so it's intentionally not serving the stop.

What stop is it?

There is a stop near Dalkey they forgot to replace the db logo.
They stop there.

Joker2019 · 08-12-2019 11:52am

Stop 2059 at the top of Kill Lane near Foxrock Church had it's NTA/TFI roundel replaced by a DB one for some reason. Even though it's served by the both the 46a with DB and the 75/a with GAI. Looked like it was done deliberately as well have no idea why this would be done.

howiya · 08-12-2019 12:04pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

What stop is it?

There is a stop near Dalkey they forgot to replace the db logo.
They stop there.

Stop 252 on Skellys lane on the 104.

Often when I can't board a 14 I would take any bus going up the Malahide Road and get off at Kilmore Road to board a 104 (if timings work out) or walk in. The only reason I ask is that between this stop and the next stop on Beaumont Road (255) the 104 does the loop in and out of the hospital.

Not the end of the world, more a curiousity

Fizzy Duck · 08-12-2019 12:07pm

howiya wrote: »

Is there any reason why a go-ahead route would pass a bus stop and not serve it?

I don't know if the route would have served this stop in its Dublin Bus days but the stop hasn't had the TFI makeover so it's intentionally not serving the stop.

When I was there it depended on which manager you asked as to what answer you got. The issue above with the wrong Timetables in Blanch is replicated in other parts of the city. Kilmacud Road/Birches Lane being one I pointed out in September 2018 as it has the correct Timetables (at the time) for the 75/a but also has timetables for the 45a/b despite the two services sharing very few of any bus stops.

The last 220 on the rtpi showing Kilmacanogue was also pointed out and had not been rectified the last time I looked either.

Joker2019 · 08-12-2019 12:16pm

Don't forget it's DB that have the contract for the maintence and upkeep of all bus stops served by both DB and GAI. This even includes the stops that are only served by GAI and not DB routes.

thomasj · 08-12-2019 1:24pm

howiya wrote: »

Is there any reason why a go-ahead route would pass a bus stop and not serve it?

I don't know if the route would have served this stop in its Dublin Bus days but the stop hasn't had the TFI makeover so it's intentionally not serving the stop.

Oh no it's been served by go-ahead no problem. I got the 220 there shortly after I took that photo.

Just to point out as well, that that poster has the latest route 4 timetable on it, so it's been put there recently.

thomasj · 08-12-2019 1:25pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

What stop is it?

There is a stop near Dalkey they forgot to replace the db logo.
They stop there.

It's stop 1881 in mountview. Served solely by the 220.

dublinman1990 · 11-12-2019 11:08pm

Christmas operating hours are up on their website.

https://www.goaheadireland.ie/christmas-operating-hours-20192020

Joker2019 · 15-12-2019 1:28am

Saw this tweet earlier and to me it sums things up well at the moment. I am not against tendering but personally I think the NTA are sort of creating a problem reaction solution at the moment. Look at the atate of some of the bus stops around Dublin at the moment with DB routes and GAI routes sharing stops but using completely different styles for the timetables.

Also many of the GAI timetables are outdate now. There was never an issue when DB ran all routes as far as the passenger was concerned all routes were DB routes that should be the case with the TFI brand but is not at the moment when it comes to info. For example the DB app is still there, liveries still different for DB and GAI although livery would be the least of my worries atm, different twitter accounts should be one, different websites etc. etc. It seems the NTA have created this issue and want to solve with bus connects despite it not being at all previously with DB on all routes.

https://twitter.com/TranslatorPS/status/1205973759531859969?s=19

p_haugh · 15-12-2019 5:59am

Joker2019 wrote: »

Saw this tweet earlier and to me it sums things up well at the moment. I am not against tendering but personally I think the NTA are sort of creating a problem reaction solution at the moment. Look at the atate of some of the bus stops around Dublin at the moment with DB routes and GAI routes sharing stops but using completely different styles for the timetables.

Also many of the GAI timetables are outdate now. There was never an issue when DB ran all routes as far as the passenger was concerned all routes were DB routes that should be the case with the TFI brand but is not at the moment when it comes to info. For example the DB app is still there, liveries still different for DB and GAI although livery would be the least of my worries atm, different twitter accounts should be one, different websites etc. etc. It seems the NTA have created this issue and want to solve with bus connects despite it not being at all previously with DB on all routes.

https://twitter.com/TranslatorPS/status/1205973759531859969?s=19

And if you tweet to TFI on Twitter they mainly just redirect you to either Dublin Bus or Go-Ahead.
It should just be TFI for all of them, or at least have separate TFI accounts for all Dublin City services, all Dublin Commuter Services, etc. to help spread out the workload (using Dublin as an e.g. but would be the same case for the other citys)

Better Than Christ · 15-12-2019 8:03pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Christmas operating hours are up on their website.

https://www.goaheadireland.ie/christmas-operating-hours-20192020

Just spotted an error on their website. Christmas Eve is a normal Mon-Fri service on the ODMA routes, with all services finishing before 9.

Qrt · 15-12-2019 10:48pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Just spotted an error on their website. Christmas Eve is a normal Mon-Fri service on the ODMA routes, with all services finishing before 9.

What is ODMA? Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area?

Better Than Christ · 16-12-2019 12:04am

Qrt wrote: »

What is ODMA? Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area?

Yup. Basically all the ex-DB routes and the 175.

Joker2019 · 18-12-2019 1:32pm

Why are all the GAI routes finishing earlier on Christmas eve than DB same last year as well

punisher5112 · 18-12-2019 2:16pm

Joker2019 wrote: »

Why are all the GAI routes finishing earlier on Christmas than DB same last year as well

Most likely as numbers using service would be so low....

Qrt · 21-12-2019 12:11pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Yup. Basically all the ex-DB routes and the 175.

That’s a pretty crap name, since when is Rialto Outer Dublin like? (Glaring at the 17 here)

punisher5112 · 21-12-2019 1:06pm

Qrt wrote: »

That’s a pretty crap name, since when is Rialto Outer Dublin like? (Glaring at the 17 here)

Not cross city...

Qrt · 21-12-2019 1:26pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Not cross city...

I don’t follow.

Joker2019 · 21-12-2019 1:34pm

Qrt wrote: »

That’s a pretty crap name, since when is Rialto Outer Dublin like? (Glaring at the 17 here)

Why do you have a better name you can suggest?

punisher5112 · 21-12-2019 1:51pm

Qrt wrote: »

I don’t follow.

The routes don't go through or really near the city centre hence the name given...

Qrt · 21-12-2019 2:50pm

Joker2019 wrote: »

Why do you have a better name you can suggest?

Eh, Dublin Orbital Bus Services?

punisher5112 wrote: »

The routes don't go through or really near the city centre hence the name given...

To me, the "Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area" would take in places like Drogheda, Navan, Newbridge, Naas, etc. That's why I had to look up ODMA, sounds a lot more suited to the recently-transferred Kildare routes. ODMA doesn't mention at all that they don't go into the city centre.

Oh well, semantics and all that.

punisher5112 · 21-12-2019 3:31pm

Qrt wrote: »

Eh, Dublin Orbital Bus Services?

To me, the "Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area" would take in places like Drogheda, Navan, Newbridge, Naas, etc. That's why I had to look up ODMA, sounds a lot more suited to the recently-transferred Kildare routes. ODMA doesn't mention at all that they don't go into the city centre.

Oh well, semantics and all that.

Then it wouldn't be Dublin.

Better Than Christ · 21-12-2019 4:36pm

Qrt wrote: »

Eh, Dublin Orbital Bus Services?

To me, the "Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area" would take in places like Drogheda, Navan, Newbridge, Naas, etc. That's why I had to look up ODMA, sounds a lot more suited to the recently-transferred Kildare routes. ODMA doesn't mention at all that they don't go into the city centre.

Oh well, semantics and all that.

'Metropolitan' denotes a city. So 'Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area' refers to the fact that the areas in question (Tallaght, Dun Laoghaire, Blanchardstown, etc) are on the outskirts of the city. Although 'metropolitan' isn't the first word that comes to mind when you enter Newtownmountkennedy (until the 1990s, Dublin Bus weren't even allowed to operate a regular service there because Bus Éireann considered it their 'patch').

Qrt · 22-12-2019 12:12pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

'Metropolitan' denotes a city. So 'Outer Dublin Metropolitan Area' refers to the fact that the areas in question (Tallaght, Dun Laoghaire, Blanchardstown, etc) are on the outskirts of the city. Although 'metropolitan' isn't the first word that comes to mind when you enter Newtownmountkennedy (until the 1990s, Dublin Bus weren't even allowed to operate a regular service there because Bus Éireann considered it their 'patch').

I’d be of the opinion that “metropolitan” takes in the city and its satellite towns and commuter belt towns. Sure the longest tube line in London is the metropolitan line. The term is ****e.

tabbey · 22-12-2019 11:11pm

Qrt wrote: »

the longest tube line in London is the metropolitan line.

The Metropolitan line was never tube, it is cut and cover, as is the District line and the Circle which runs around both Metropolitan and District.

Just because it is part of the London Underground is no excuse for tarring it with the same brush as the Central, Bakerloo, Victoria, Jubilee, Northern.

The Metropolitan once reached Verney Junction in leafy Buckinghamshire, it was a civilised commuter line, not to be compared with deep level tubes.

GT89 · 19-03-2020 1:13am

Wasn't aware until recently that the NBRU were now active in GAI

http://www.nbru.ie/join-nbru/nbrugoaheadinformation/

Better Than Christ · 19-03-2020 2:42am

GT89 wrote: »

Wasn't aware until recently that the NBRU were now active in GAI

http://www.nbru.ie/join-nbru/nbrugoaheadinformation/

Very active. They've done more for Go Ahead's drivers in a couple of months than SIPTU did in almost two years.

soundman45 · 19-03-2020 8:23am

Better Than Christ wrote: »

Very active. They've done more for Go Ahead's drivers in a couple of months than SIPTU did in almost two years.

Whats improved so far?

devnull · 19-03-2020 10:46am

GT89 wrote: »

Wasn't aware until recently that the NBRU were now active in GAI

http://www.nbru.ie/join-nbru/nbrugoaheadinformation/

Seems to be a lot of mentions of Dublin Bus and Bus Eireann there....

Was this the same NBRU who said that they were not interested in representing workers from Go-Ahead Ireland as they were a private company when it was announced that an agreement had been done between SIPTU and Go-Ahead Ireland?

Either there has been a dramatic change of mind, or the statement that they released was sour grapes that SIPTU were chosen rather than than actually bieng true?

Better Than Christ · 19-03-2020 12:33pm

soundman45 wrote: »

Whats improved so far?

So far, various health and safety issues, and they've been far better than SIPTU at advising/representing drivers on disciplinary matters.

devnull wrote: »

Either there has been a dramatic change of mind, or the statement that they released was sour grapes that SIPTU were chosen rather than than actually bieng true?

SIPTU were chosen by the company, not by the drivers. The NBRU's 'change of mind' came about as a result of huge demand from drivers.

devnull · 19-03-2020 1:09pm

Better Than Christ wrote: »

SIPTU were chosen by the company, not by the drivers. The NBRU's 'change of mind' came about as a result of huge demand from drivers.

The NBRU said at the time that they were not interested in representing the members of Go Ahead Ireland and made it appear that there wasn't a choice to make and SIPTU was the only option that was on the table to the workers.

Are you saying that actually the NBRU were an option for the company but the NBRU decided to give the public line that they were not interested, because ithat would make for better PR than admitting that GAI had chosen to be represented by someone else?

Either way, it's interesting that the NBRU appear to have made statements in the past which their actions seem to contradict. I wonder if they have been influenced by the lure of subs from GAI members or it's just a case as I outlined in previous paragraph.

Better Than Christ · 19-03-2020 1:26pm

devnull wrote: »

The NBRU said at the time that they were not interested in representing the members of Go Ahead Ireland and made it appear that there wasn't a choice to make and SIPTU was the only option that was on the table to the workers.

Are you saying that actually the NBRU were an option for the company but the NBRU decided to give the public line that they were not interested, because ithat would make for better PR than admitting that GAI had chosen to be represented by someone else?

Either way, it's interesting that the NBRU appear to have made statements in the past which their actions seem to contradict. I wonder if they have been influenced by the lure of subs from GAI members or it's just a case as I outlined in previous paragraph.

I'm saying that over 200 drivers (dissatisfied with SIPTU) approached the NBRU, asking for representation, and they have agreed to represent them.

AlekSmart · 19-03-2020 2:06pm

devnull wrote: »

.

Either way, it's interesting that the NBRU appear to have made statements in the past which their actions seem to contradict. I wonder if they have been influenced by the lure of subs from GAI members or it's just a case as I outlined in previous paragraph.

No need to wonder at all.

ALL Trades Unions are influenced by subscription income....just as with every representative body everywhere.

Put simply,as GAI had already reached a single-union agreement with SIPTU regarding the Busdriving grade (Maintenance/Admin were seperately represented),it represented a fait accompli for any succesful new-entrant to that company.

Now however,with the operation bedded down,and perhaps a change of focus in management practices and intentions,the inevitable proccess begin.

It is no secret that some drivers felt/feel dissatisfied with the level and ability of representation available to them through their Company's existing IR procedures.

GAI being a subsidiary of the Go-Ahead group,are no newcomers to employee representation and they engage with Unions and Trade Associations throughout their operations,so I rather suspect they'll adapt and move on with this also.

Right now,there's a lot more to worry folk than the arrival of an NBU negotiator at the door....:)

Jamie2k9 · 19-03-2020 2:52pm

Does the General Secretary of NBRU know they also represent Go-Ahead or are they trying to keep it a secret.....to date all media interviews have only discussed CIE as has all letters send to company CEOs. Then again Go-Ahead management may have put everything in place to protect staff quickly.

Nice for them to have Go-Ahead members as pawns to advance other members interests in future.

AlekSmart · 19-03-2020 5:25pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Does the General Secretary of NBRU know they also represent Go-Ahead or are they trying to keep it a secret.....to date all media interviews have only discussed CIE as has all letters send to company CEOs. Then again Go-Ahead management may have put everything in place to protect staff quickly.

Nice for them to have Go-Ahead members as pawns to advance other members interests in future.

I would imagine that the Single Union Agreement between GAI and SIPTU involved some form of signup on the part of the individual applicant.

I would therefore see this reticence as prudent until GAI clarify what their stance is with this new representative situation.

If,as has been quoted earlier in thread,this involves 200 employees,then describing them all as "pawns" appears a bit OTT,unless there is significant information or proof to support this ?

Believe it or not,Trades Union member ship is not quite in the same league as joining the Freemasons (for most) and individuals are free to switch between or leave Unions as they see fit.

Who knows,perhaps some of the "Pawns" may even be posting on this thread ?

Go-Ahead Dublin City Routes - Updates and Discussion

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