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How to alert driver of presence?

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  • #102
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Lumen wrote: »
    If a car is alongside you and moving into your space, and you have nowhere laterally to move, the most sensible course of action is to brake.

    Since you can brake easily at 6m.s-2, within one second you are 3m further back, i.e. behind the car, more or less.

    Aside from anything else, if you're possibly about to have a crash it is usually better to have it going more slowly, and so if you're 1 second away from a crash you should use that second to reduce your speed differential with the ground.

    Of course, humans are not sensible.

    Its the More or less bit thats the problem.. some cars pull in when the front bumper is right at your feet, leaving a lot of the car still behind. your also assuming its a car and not a van, a car with a trailer, a Bus or a HGV which are all significantly longer than 3m.


  • #103
    Diemos
    Registered Users Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭Diemos


    Lumen wrote: »
    If a car is alongside you and moving into your space, and you have nowhere laterally to move, the most sensible course of action is to brake.

    Since you can brake easily at 6m.s-2, within one second you are 3m further back, i.e. behind the car, more or less.

    Aside from anything else, if you're possibly about to have a crash it is usually better to have it going more slowly, and so if you're 1 second away from a crash you should use that second to reduce your speed differential with the ground.

    Of course, humans are not sensible.
    That's a fair point, but the reaction can be instinct.

    If you are cycling along in the cycle lane, and a vehicle comes from behind and starts pushing in on you, these situations tend to play out in milliseconds.

    Having the time for deductive reasoning is a luxury you may not have.

    Plus tell me about braking when a wing mirror hits your elbow as a car pushes past in rush hour traffic while using the bus lane to try to jump traffic.:mad:


  • #104
    Johnny Jukebox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Johnny Jukebox


    Thud wrote: »
    Had a guy start ranting at me out his window after i banged on his car when he encroached on a cycle lane i was in while he was trying to pass a car (on the left) that was turning right in his lane, asked him if he wanted to get out of his car to sort it out, he muttered and drove on pretty quickly after that

    This. I think if you bang windows, you have to be prepared to go toe-to-toe with the driver because the reaction is hysterically OTT in most cases...


  • #105
    Borderfox
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    very true, from my point of view the drivers actions could harm or kill me where from the drivers point of view the cyclist might dent their car.


  • #106
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I'll put it another way, as of course there are times when an emergency dictates you do whatever it takes to alert a careless driver.

    If you are frequently rapping on cars to get their attention, you are doing something wrong.


  • #107
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    tomasrojo wrote: »
    If you are frequently rapping on cars to get their attention, you are doing something wrong.
    to be fair, it *is* quite attention grabbing and probably an effective means to that end.

    0125dipokendrick.jpg


  • #108
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,804 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    That's a wonderfully specific photograph.


  • #109
    magicbastarder
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    it took a little bit longer to find than i anticipated.


  • #110
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Borderfox wrote: »
    very true, from my point of view the drivers actions could harm or kill me where from the drivers point of view the cyclist might dent their car.
    In the heat of the moment, and unfortunately often in the cold light of day, a dent to their car matters more than a human life.


  • #111
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    In the heat of the moment, and unfortunately often in the cold light of day, a dent to their car matters more than a human life.

    Its territorialism, plain and simple. Drivers see it as my space, my lane, my little box of selfishness.


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  • #112
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    ED E wrote: »
    Its territorialism, plain and simple. Drivers see it as my space, my lane, my little box of selfishness.
    Entitlement too. Similar concept.


  • #113
    Effects
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    In the heat of the moment, and unfortunately often in the cold light of day, a dent to their car matters more than a human life.

    I had a guy pull out from a side road and hit my bike before. He damaged his paintwork. He stopped to check it and then tried to run me down along Stephen's Green. I was able to weave through traffic to avoid him speeding up the cycle lane, otherwise it would have ended really badly for me.


  • #114
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Effects wrote: »
    I had a guy pull out from a side road and hit my bike before. He damaged his paintwork. He stopped to check it and then tried to run me down along Stephen's Green. I was able to weave through traffic to avoid him speeding up the cycle lane, otherwise it would have ended really badly for me.
    That's unbelievable, unless of course you are a cyclist.


  • #115
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    had one today where i was cycling through rowlestown/rolestown/whatever the locals spell it, and saw a chap pull up at a junction in front of me (i had right of way); look at me and then pull out. given the sight lines, it was only when he was pulling out i realised he was pulling a horsebox. i had time to yank on the brakes, but this was a clear 'i genuinely don't care, law of the sea, you'll have to stop for me' stunt on his part.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4902899,-6.3032423,3a,75y,281.04h,87.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq1pTdCvKJSXEdK670_CsFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    he was coming out of the road to the left, taking a right.


  • #116
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,011 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    had one today where i was cycling through rowlestown/rolestown/whatever the locals spell it, and saw a chap pull up at a junction in front of me (i had right of way); look at me and then pull out. given the sight lines, it was only when he was pulling out i realised he was pulling a horsebox. i had time to yank on the brakes, but this was a clear 'i genuinely don't care, law of the sea, you'll have to stop for me' stunt on his part.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4902899,-6.3032423,3a,75y,281.04h,87.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq1pTdCvKJSXEdK670_CsFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

    he was coming out of the road to the left, taking a right.
    In no way defending him but he possibly presumed you were making a left turn there (i.e. turning onto the road he emerged from) as in my experience 95% of traffic does so. It would probably be better of that route was made the 'main road' and straight ahead made into a 'right turn' if you know what I mean. I've travelled that route hundreds of times but probably only went straight on maybe twice.

    EDIT: The locals seem to call it Rollers Town.


  • #117
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    arse, just realised i posted this in the wrong thread, was meant for the near misses one. not that it was a particularly near miss. i was never in much danger.

    maybe worth noting if you do go the same way i did - i did go straight on, the road swings to the right (i.e. to the north) and i took a left off it to get back to the R122 south of oldtown; that road i took a left on to is one of the more 'barely there' lanes i've been on in a while. more suitable for CX than a road bike.


  • #118
    Wishbone Ash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,011 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    ....and i took a left off it to get back to the R122 south of oldtown; that road i took a left on to is one of the more 'barely there' lanes i've been on in a while. more suitable for CX than a road bike.
    Yes, it's pretty rough alright.


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