Cycling and THAT Late Late Show segment

AndrewJRenko · 20-01-2018 11:23pm

have2flushtwice wrote: »

I agree with you, perfectly legal to cycle abrest, and yes the driver should be aware, but the driver is not always aware, and of the two parties it's more likely that the cyclist will fare worse should a collision take place.

Presumably you believe that drivers shouldn't drive on those roads at all because of the risk of being ploughed into from behind by some idiot not paying attention?

John_Rambo · 20-01-2018 11:36pm

have2flushtwice wrote: »

I agree with you, perfectly legal to cycle abrest, and yes the driver should be aware, but the driver is not always aware, and of the two parties it's more likely that the cyclist will fare worse should a collision take place.

Yeah, I would have been of the same opinion a long time ago for a very short period, but I've changed my attitude.

On a personal level all of the close dangerous passes I've had are from drivers they were perfectly aware that I was there except on one occasion when the driver veered in to the cycle lane to get a better view of what was slowing the traffic.

The rest of the close passes were malicious or "lesson teaching" but mostly due to carelessness, speed misjudgement, lazy driving and an impatient attitude of "getting in front" of the cyclist by any means.

I've also come across and witnessed (on the bike and in the car) another sinister cohort of drivers that will drive as if they were an "unaware driver" like the one's you describe. This lot will drive dangerously close to cyclists in the pretense that they're unaware of the cyclist and have the "law" on their side because the cyclists are (in their opinion or distorted perception of the rules of the road) are not behaving like they'd like them to be.

have2flushtwice · 21-01-2018 12:15am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Presumably you believe that drivers shouldn't drive on those roads at all because of the risk of being ploughed into from behind by some idiot not paying attention?

You have presumed incorrectly. Please read my previous post. There's no need to explain again.

Weepsie · 21-01-2018 1:28am

If a driver isn't capable of being aware all of the time, they shouldn't be driving. Simple

There's been some laughable excuses in court regarding motor accidents, but I would even the most lenient judge would throw the book at someone whose reasoning was they were not aware.

flatface · 21-01-2018 2:06pm

have2flushtwice wrote: »

It really annoys me when cyclists are two abrest. They are depending on other road users to be aware of their position. We all know that drivers don't pay 100 percent attention all the time.

Putting yourself out there at the mercy of a force of a vehicle is ridiculous, while thinking I got my gear on it's not my fault if they don't see me. Then go crying when they get into an accident that's perceived to be the drivers fault.

Why the victim blaming? I find this attitude baffling. Given cyclists 2 abreast and inattentive motorists in your first paragraph, and you are annoyed by the cyclists?

AndrewJRenko · 21-01-2018 6:34pm

have2flushtwice wrote: »

You have presumed incorrectly. Please read my previous post. There's no need to explain again.

What's the difference? A motorist can get serious injury if shunted from behind, particularly whiplash. If the risk of injury is so serious to justify keeping cyclists off the road, then why not motorists too?

07Lapierre · 21-01-2018 10:05pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What's the difference? A motorist can get serious injury if shunted from behind, particularly whiplash. If the risk of injury is so serious to justify keeping cyclists off the road, then why not motorists too?

+1 in fact there's a very good case for making helmets compulsory for motorists as head injuries are very common in road traffic accidents!

Chiparus · 21-01-2018 11:04pm

07Lapierre wrote: »

+1 in fact there's a very good case for making helmets compulsory for motorists as head injuries are very common in road traffic accidents!

Like in Motorsports?:)

rubadub · 21-01-2018 11:27pm

Chiparus wrote: »

Like in Motorsports?:)

Motorists & their passengers are said to hugely benefit if wearing open face cycling style helmets, not full face rally style ones. They obviously might worry about "looking cool" if wearing full face ones.

I think the stats I read were that it would be 7 times the benefit for people in cars to wear cycling style helmets than people on bikes wearing one. Not sure how that was figured out.

One thing I am sure of, I have NEVER heard of a coroner or doctor asked if a motor vehicle passenger or pedestrian would suffered a head injury would have still been alive or survived if they had been wearing a cycling style helmet (or any style of helmet). Something a lot appear to be questioned about with people on bicycles.

I still wonder if they do become popular then in 30 years time will we see people pronouncing people who do not wear them to be "mad", even though they themselves will likely have been in motor vehicles without them for decades, even though they were readily available.

Grassey · 22-01-2018 10:10am

rubadub wrote: »

I still wonder if they do become popular then in 30 years time will we see people pronouncing people who do not wear them to be "mad", even though they themselves will likely have been in motor vehicles without them for decades, even though they were readily available.

The Future is NOW!!!

Motoring+Helmet+014.jpg

The box reads:
"You have made a sound decision to purchase your Davies, Craig Motoring Helmet. Wear it and don’t feel self-conscious. Driving even for the most proficient is dangerous.

Ultimately, motoring helmets will be commonplace, but in the meantime, you will be a leader whilst those who may consider your good sense misplaced, will follow."

From the instruction manual we can learn these important tips:
"Davies, Craig recommends you wear your Motoring Helmet at all times when motoring but particularly at the following, documented high-risk times:

- After consuming any alcohol.
- When other drivers are likely to have consumed alcohol especially 4:00PM to 2:00AM Fridays and Saturdays.
- After dark and during twilight.
- In rain or when the roads are wet.
- During long trips when you may become tired.
- Within five kilometres of your home or destination.
- Christmas, Easter and long weekends.
- If you are aged under 25 or over 60."

Or rather we are now 30 years post release of this and they still haven't caught on....

cdaly_ · 22-01-2018 6:16pm

davidk1394 wrote: »

Another thing why do cyclist's tuck in behind tractors and trailers ? Directly out view of mirrors. Happened a friend of mine on a main road.

You get a free tow out of the wind and even some help from the wind curling around the back of the trailer. If you get really close to the trailer you mightn't have to pedal at all.

He had to stop suddenly because a car pulled out in front of him on the hard shoulder and the cyclists lamped straight into the trailer.

OTOH, you have to be really alert and ready with the brakes. You also risk unseen potholes on irish roads.

mr spuckler · 27-06-2018 1:22pm

BAI rejects seven complaints against Late Late Show after item in which guests suggested cyclists should be 'binned'

The BAI rejected the complaints on the basis that the Late Late Show is a light entertainment programme and that the comments were made as personal views by guests and the tone was “humorous and light-hearted”.

“The Members did not believe that the discussion could be reasonably considered as supporting discrimination or inciting hatred towards cyclists,” they added.

Tombo2001 · 27-06-2018 1:45pm

mr spuckler wrote: »

BAI rejects seven complaints against Late Late Show after item in which guests suggested cyclists should be 'binned'

This is appalling.

I would love to know who the members are and how many of them are drivers and how many of them are cyclists.

tomasrojo · 27-06-2018 1:47pm

The complaint didn't have much chance of success. The segment was irredeemably sh1t though.

Light-hearted: "Ha, ha! I hate cyclists. Just the arrogant ones though."

Tombo2001 · 27-06-2018 1:50pm

tomasrojo wrote: »

The complaint didn't have much chance of success. The segment was irredeemably sh1t though.

Light-hearted: "Ha, ha! I hate cyclists. Just the arrogant ones though."

Why shouldnt it have much of a chance.

The claim is that it incited hatred towards cyclists.....

So they are saying it didnt do that?

I'll remove that question mark.

They are saying it didnt do that.

They are wrong.

tomasrojo · 27-06-2018 2:04pm

Because "it was only a joke" is a defence that works all the time, except if it clearly isn't a joke, or if the "humour" is clearly secondary to having a go at a minority. People who don't get about by bike much don't see cyclists as a put-upon minority.

27-06-2018 4:48pm

Tombo2001 wrote: »

This is appalling.

I would love to know who the members are and how many of them are drivers and how many of them are cyclists.

http://www.bai.ie/en/about-us/the-authority-committees-and-executive/

Tombo2001 · 28-06-2018 10:50am

From the BAI regarding their decision the LLS complaints

The Committee was mindful of the provision set out in the Code of Programme Standards, in which persons and groups in society shall be represented in an appropriate and justifiable way and shall not be treated in a manner which prejudices respect for human dignity.

From the Journal.ie comments section today on the LLS piece and the BAI response.

Most cyclists are arrogant sc_mbags.

Moan moan moan

Grow a pair yiz watery shower of aul wans.

Their tight bicycling shorts prevent their pairs from growing.

nothing worse than being stuck behind a Tour de France wanna be with a sweat stain coming through the Lycra!!

the wear hi viz and dont think main roads are there for ye to cycle 3 of 4 abreast.. clowns the lot of ye

they’re total fck wits

If you are a cyclist, it really is time to just give up.......

tomasrojo · 28-06-2018 11:57am

To be fair, you'd get much the same comments if the Journal article had been about how great cycling is, or announcing the imminent start of construction of the Liffey cycle route.

There's just a constituency of really weird hateful people. I totally agree RTÉ shouldn't be pandering to these cretins, but since the perception of cyclists is middle-class white men, people have the idea that discrimination is an amusingly contrary hypothetical. Same with the constant implication in the media that red-haired men are de facto ugly.

tomasrojo · 28-06-2018 12:04pm

I should make it clear that I'm very glad people formally complained and I'd have been very happy if the complaint had been successful.

Cycling and THAT Late Late Show segment

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