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"Irish Grass Fed Beef" to be protected by EU

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  • #102
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,968 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Apologies - the beef plan are submitting a seperate PGI to the grass feed beef 1, which would exclude nonsuckler animals

    https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/producer-group-submits-documents-to-department-for-natural-irish-beef-pgi/

    Sorry i got them mixed up


    IFA is at it as well wanting suckler only and trying to get bull beef included and complaining about friesian cattle inclusion. However if the PGI for natural fed goes ahead it just another option. However it will struggle as there is no demand for the product which is heavy carcass and a lot of the cattle (CH, LM BL, SI etc) that will need age to finish on 750kgs during a winter finishing system. As well by excluding ''O'' grade cattle it will nearly force all these cattle to up to and beyond 36 months to finish. I would not worry about brain farts like that or IFA trying to push bulls inclusion.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #103
    Bass Reeves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,968 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Say my name wrote: »
    Not really though.
    It's allowing 5 months on concrete in the year.


    With limits on ration if cattle are indoors lads will have to feed them half decent silage. Stores especially to qualify for this will need to be on silage alone. Lads will need to conserve there ration allociation for the last 6-8 weeks of the finishing period.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • #104
    wrangler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,224 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Bass Reeves wrote: »
    IFA is at it as well wanting suckler only and trying to get bull beef included and complaining about friesian cattle inclusion. However if the PGI for natural fed goes ahead it just another option. However it will struggle as there is no demand for the product which is heavy carcass and a lot of the cattle (CH, LM BL, SI etc) that will need age to finish on 750kgs during a winter finishing system. As well by excluding ''O'' grade cattle it will nearly force all these cattle to up to and beyond 36 months to finish. I would not worry about brain farts like that or IFA trying to push bulls inclusion.

    More hurling on the ditch, what a surprise.
    Like beef plan that thought they could they could criticise IFA now it turns out they can't even organise themselves.
    Ireland is full of 'hurlers on the ditch :D:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • #105
    Say my name
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Get a room!


  • #106
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Setting the criteria depends on whether they want a year round supply product not a seasonal one, the answer to which I'm presuming is yes. That means some supplement to the grass silage. It's critical that grass, (a broad term), constitutes most of the animal diet every day to slaughter.
    What you allow and how you police it are details to be considered, including what is practicable. ATM you have to declare nitrogen used, can't see a major difference to showing feed purchased or homegrown.


  • #107
    Birdnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    Water John wrote: »
    Setting the criteria depends on whether they want a year round supply product not a seasonal one, the answer to which I'm presuming is yes. That means some supplement to the grass silage. It's critical that grass, (a broad term), constitutes most of the animal diet every day to slaughter.
    What you allow and how you police it are details to be considered, including what is practicable. ATM you have to declare nitrogen used, can't see a major difference to showing feed purchased or homegrown.

    As others have said on this thread - what we need is a label the encourages extensive beef production on natural, mixed species grassland. Only then will discerning consumers take such things seriously. Sadly Bord Bia has been failiing for many years in this area in terms of its role promoting all that is best in Irish farming.


  • #108
    greysides
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,041 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    MOD:
    Wrangler and Bass Reeves take a 24 hours break from this thread.

    Keep an eye on your PMs.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • #109
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,808 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    There are no grounds for leaving out dairy cow cross progeny. Historically they have been the foundation of out traditional beef industry. Much of the initial suckling herds were also established using Friesian cows to multiple suckle bought in calves. Beef suckler herds are a recent addition in Ireland.
    The purpose of the designation sought is to protect a specific and traditional type of production. It is not about the protection of a specific type of farmer.


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