Tour de France 2020 | Stage 20 ITT (Lure - La Planche des Belles Filles, 36.2km)

19-09-2020 6:41pm

ednwireland wrote: »

does anyone know whose in the uae team ?

You can see the team here https://www.procyclingstats.com/race/tour-de-france/2020/stage-20/startlist

Aru and Formolo abandoned earlier in the race.

Inquitus · 19-09-2020 6:42pm

ednwireland wrote: »

does anyone know whose in the uae team ?

Aru abandoned, as did Formolo, Kristoff as a sprinter, De La Cruz and don't know the rest.

breezy1985 · 19-09-2020 6:45pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Aru abandoned, as did Formolo, Kristoff as a sprinter, De La Cruz and don't know the rest.

Marcato and Polanc helped him out a fair bit but dont remember hearing about the other guy. No way would you think these guys would be on a team that won the tour

cunavalos · 19-09-2020 6:54pm

Wouldn't rule out Kristoff tomorrow either and that would make it 5 stage wins and 3 jerseys for UAE

Richard Hillman · 19-09-2020 6:54pm

It makes it even more amazing about what Pogacar did. He was up against the Jumbo-Visma Train every single day. Had absolutely no team mates in the mountains. It was remarkable.

Whilst I agree that Rob Hatches commentary today was out of order, Roglic must have been a bit mortified facing his team mates after it all. They gave him everything.

There was also a stage where it was Roglic and Pogacar going for the stage win. Roglic did sprint at the end but didn't seem too bothered with the fact Pogacar beat him to the line for the time bonus.

Saying All that, Pogacar was very unlucky one day with the Echelons. Without that, today would have been pretty much a straight fight with little time advantage.

Roglic may regret not attacking Pogacar. I think he only really did it on one occasion. He seemed to be content with his advantage and the thought that he would win the time trial. Which is strange considering he was beaten in the Slovenian Championships by Pogacar.

Boscoirl · 19-09-2020 6:57pm

I’m in shock. Never expected that result. Didn’t even watch today.

kennyb3 · 19-09-2020 7:11pm

Lance's tweet on the matter tells you everything you need to know!

Randy Archer · 19-09-2020 7:15pm

BQQ wrote: »

Roglic didn’t lose it
Pogacar won it
Incredible ride

Roglic was still 5th on the stage
I’d say he would have been thinking this morning - finish top 5 and yellow is mine

That would have been an extremely arrogant and naive attitude to have taken if that was true

The young lad bey him in the national TT and no more or less was the strongest climber in the race

Roglic was less than 1 minute ahead and that route flats n other mishaps are common

Girly Gal · 19-09-2020 7:30pm

That was an extraordinary performance from Pogacar today. I'm delighted for him as he has been constantly on the attack all tour and single handed brought the fight to Jumbo Visma, he was unlucky to lose the time he did earlier in the race.
Felt sorry for Roglic in the last few Kms as it was clear the race was slipping away from him and he could do nothing about it, his time trial wasn't that bad, probably lost a good 30 seconds when he realised the tour was gone on him and on another day would have been enough to hold onto the lead, but, Pogacar's time was extraordinary, even Roglic on a good day would have struggled to hold onto the lead.
Overall the strongest rider has won the race, this will go down as one of the greatest performances ever.

Randy Archer · 19-09-2020 7:40pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

Lance's tweet on the matter tells you everything you need to know!

Meh, like all Yanks , everything they see is best ever , top 10 greatest etc

3 great weeks though ! I thought the last two were drama filled n exciting but this was brilliant . A lot to be said on cutting down so many races that are 200+ km

kennyb3 · 19-09-2020 7:42pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Meh, like all Yanks , everything they see is best ever , top 10 greatest etc

I dont think he was being serious, you might need to read between the lines a little, esp coming from him!

breezy1985 · 19-09-2020 7:51pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

Lance's tweet on the matter tells you everything you need to know!

I don't know why anyone takes notice of anything he says. The only cyclist.he is interested in is himself

Randy Archer · 19-09-2020 7:54pm

kennyb3 wrote: »

I dont think he was being serious, you might need to read between the lines a little, esp coming from him!

I did read it and got two interpretations . I think it’s one that you are alluding to . Was he throwing “shade” (as they say in the US ?

Randy Archer · 19-09-2020 7:56pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

I don't know why anyone takes notice of anything he says. The only cyclist.he is interested in is himself

His podcasts are / Were quite good but that’s more to do with Hincappie n Burneell

He talks rubbish

All I want from him is to come clean on the full truth behind his case and offer insight to the UCI / Wada on how to improve things (they won’t listen to him of course )

Who covered him up half the time ?

Remarkable , he’s almost richer now than he use to be

19-09-2020 8:17pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

His podcasts are / Were quite good but that’s more to do with Hincappie n Burneell

He talks rubbish

All I want from him is to come clean on the full truth behind his case and offer insight to the UCI / Wada on how to improve things (they won’t listen to him of course )

Who covered him up half the time ?

Remarkable , he’s almost richer now than he use to be

Have I told you about Oura Ring?

funnights74 · 19-09-2020 8:30pm

Inquitus wrote: »

An image for the ages

Cancel the party.

19-09-2020 8:57pm

Despite 5 elite Belgian titles today was only the second time WVA has worn the Belgian tricolour. The first time resulted in a season-ending injury, today didn't turn out too well either, for his team anyway.

monkeybutter · 19-09-2020 9:01pm

Plastik wrote: »

To anyone that doesn't believe in miracles ...

It is hard to believe in it, that's the problem

Toms face said it all really

breezy1985 · 19-09-2020 9:15pm

monkeybutter wrote: »

It is hard to believe in it, that's the problem

Toms face said it all really

He was only 1'21 ahead of Porte/Tom and 11' ahead of last place its not like he OTLed half the field. And its not like Pog came out of nowhere and what people forget about Lance is he was looking like a decent classics guy but no world beater and the drugs could even turn sprinters into GC guys

19-09-2020 9:31pm

Lanterne Rouge mentioned on his pod cast that Jumbo Visma have been filming a documentary along side the tour this year. Be fascinating to see that if/when it comes out.

eeeee · 19-09-2020 9:35pm

Anyone know what helmet Pogacar wore? I like the look of it

19-09-2020 9:40pm

eeeee wrote: »

Anyone know what helmet Pogacar wore? I like the look of it

MET Codatronca

https://www.met-helmets.com/en/shop/cycling-helmets/tri-aero-helmets/codatronca/

I looked it up earlier as I quite liked it too, looks great in black.

Weepsie · 19-09-2020 9:42pm

eeeee wrote: »

Anyone know what helmet Pogacar wore? I like the look of it

It's a Met branded one. Had a red one for the nationals

bazermc · 19-09-2020 10:07pm

Just watching highlights managed to avoid result all day as was out and about.

I’m absolutely gobsmacked.

Randy Archer · 19-09-2020 10:21pm

funnights74 wrote: »

Cancel the party.

Meh, Van Art has another chance or two for a classic in the few weeks . He did way better than what could have been expected of him , as a super domestique

Tom , is quiet good being getting caught by the camera being pissed off over a result , check it out on YouTube. Beats the fake “I’m so happy for him” look some give . He should be fine for the world TT and he’s back from a horrific injury with so little training

The media point out that the lads who could train freely outside in places like Luxembourg n Slovenia got first run since the post lockdown , though “podge” had some good wins before lockdown in Dubai

The Vuelta is clashing with the Giro. I assume teams will be short handed and will need almost the same TDF line up for the Vuelta ? More of the same please

Being on the classics though . I know Sagen is down for the Giro but Sam should try his hand at Amstel (I know it’s hilly and loads of furniture) and maybe even Paris Nice - like all good green jersey guys do . He might have to if Quick Step are down a few guys due to injury

Good time for the two bike suppliers of Jumbo n UAE - old classic Italians (I know, Ineos bike is Italian too )

Speaking of UAE , is that Sheikh Mohammed of Dubai team ? Owner of Fly Emirates and major horse racing owner ? Lol. Podge will be treated like a king when he goes back to Dubai . Huge coup for his short period in pro cycling

Brian? · 19-09-2020 10:28pm

2nd most exciting TT I've ever seen, after Fignon losing to Lemond. I'm still in shock.

19-09-2020 10:29pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Meh, Van Art has another chance or two for a classic in the few weeks . He did way better than what could have been expected of him , as a super domestique

Tom , is quiet good being getting caught by the camera being pissed off over a result , check it out on YouTube. Beats the fake “I’m so happy for him” look some give . He should be fine for the world TT and he’s back from a horrific injury with so little training

The media point out that the lads who could train freely outside in places like Luxembourg n Slovenia got first run since the post lockdown , though “podge” had some good wins before lockdown in Dubai

The Vuelta is clashing with the Giro. I assume teams will be short handed and will need almost the same TDF line up for the Vuelta ? Some of the same please

Being on the classics though . I know Sagen is down for the Giro but Sam should try his hand at Amstel (I know it’s hilly and loads of furniture) and maybe even Paris Nice - like all good green jersey guys do . He might have to if Quick Step are down a few guys due to injury

He has another chance at a sprint tomorrow and is maybe more motivated now given todays events which might not be good for Sam.

TheBlaaMan · 19-09-2020 10:32pm

Pogacar's performance in the tour was extraordinary. We are witness to an amazing cycling athlete. Despite all the hyperbole, Roglic's performance today wasn't actually that bad - he was only 35sec behind Tom Dumoulin who stayed on his TT bike for the full of the stage.

Pogacar beat TD by 81 seconds.

During the Tour Pogacar set new climbing records on :
Col de Peyresourde,
Col de Marie-Blanque,
Pas de Peyrol,
Grand Colombier and
Planche des Belles Filles .....which he climbed at 6.9w/kg

He will also be the first winner of three classifications in the same Tour since...............?

Yup, Merckx. Some company.

I hope his performance stands the test of time.

TheBlaaMan · 19-09-2020 10:36pm

Randy Archer wrote: »

Being on the classics though . I know Sagen is down for the Giro but Sam should try his hand at Amstel (I know it’s hilly and loads of furniture) and maybe even Paris Nice - like all good green jersey guys do . He might have to if Quick Step are down a few guys due to injury

....

Do you mean Paris-Roubaix ?

Paris-Nice was in March

Cormo87 · 19-09-2020 10:58pm

Didn't watch it live but caught the highlights.

Like everyone else, I thought it was over but what a result!!! Unbelievable to see Pog take it.

I seen someone mention earlier on in one of the stage threads that this tour has been the best sporting event of 2020 and I have to agree its been brilliant.

19-09-2020 11:06pm

People I know with no interest in cycling have been following because of Sam getting on the news most evenings and sending me messages this evening losing their **** after watching the TT earlier.

My granny who is 92 follows the tour religiously every year and has no interest in cycling otherwise and I had to check in on her to make sure she hadn't had a heart attack or something after that today.

She was super pissed Rog lost

rurs · 19-09-2020 11:15pm

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

Do you mean Paris-Roubaix ?

Paris-Nice was in March

I presumed Paris-Tours

raclle · 19-09-2020 11:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

People I know with no interest in cycling have been following because of Sam

Yup that would be me

but i'm thoroughly enjoying it. I'm like this with most sports to be honest. I'd only watch the snooker world championships, the Rugby 6 nations, Grand slam Tennis, Golf majors etc...

19-09-2020 11:20pm

https://twitter.com/shoutybird64/status/1307415032460967944

Some comments calling them on the team work and others mentioned back room and technical staff are the team too but who cares the buzz in that coach tonight must be something else.

19-09-2020 11:26pm

raclle wrote: »

Yup that would be me but i'm thoroughly enjoying it. I'm like this with most sports to be honest. I'd only watch the snooker world championships, the Rugby 6 nations, Grand slam Tennis, Golf majors etc...

Well if you enjoyed the tour you'll be glad to know that usually it's the least exciting of the 3 big grand tours and that the Vuelta and Giro are usually better by miles. I say usually as there no ****ing way the Giro or Vuelta can top that this year ... or can they? both will be on eurosport in the coming weeks and the vuelta on itv 4 too I think.

Brian? · 19-09-2020 11:29pm

Cormo87 wrote: »

Didn't watch it live but caught the highlights.

Like everyone else, I thought it was over but what a result!!! Unbelievable to see Pog take it.

I seen someone mention earlier on in one of the stage threads that this tour has been the best sporting event of 2020 and I have to agree its been brilliant.

I didn’t enjoy this years tour at all, until today. Too many mountain stages finished on a down hill. Hours of watching Jumbo riding tempo and no one really attacking.

This one unbelievable stage doesn’t make up for the rest of the Tour. Some rule changes are needed, starting with banning power meters and race radio.

swarlb · 19-09-2020 11:32pm

Eamonnator wrote: »

I think you're right. Giro and Vuelta yes, but no Tour.

Colnago built the frames Eddy Merckx used in the 70's. They were 'branded' Eddy Merckx, but made by Colnago.

Randy Archer · 19-09-2020 11:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He has another chance at a sprint tomorrow and is maybe more motivated now given todays events which might not be good for Sam.

True . The team owe it to him to help him out . Tony Martin driving through train a silly pace , then backed up by Tom D , Intermediate Sprint absolutely he could take points and then who knows ?

He put in a massive effort today though

Don’t forget little Caleb Ewen (spelling ? ) he took it handy enough today

Randy Archer · 20-09-2020 12:02am

TheBlaaMan wrote: »

Do you mean Paris-Roubaix ?

Paris-Nice was in March

My bad , sorry, Paris Roubaix - nice is 7 days and already held

Randy Archer · 20-09-2020 12:07am

rurs wrote: »

I presumed Paris-Tours

No , I meant Roubaix but the Paris Tours, isn’t that the really long flat race after TDF ? A sprinters race ? Would he have a better shot on Tours as opppsed to Roubaix (Specialise have a dedicated bike for that ) or would there be questions over Sam having the engine / legs and handling skills for Roubaix ? Don’t think he rode it much

breezy1985 · 20-09-2020 12:10am

Randy Archer wrote: »

No , I meant Roubaix but the Paris Tours, isn’t that the really long flat race after TDF ? A sprinters race ? Would he have a better shot on Tours as opppsed to Roubaix (Specialise have a dedicated bike for that ) or would there be questions over Sam having the engine / legs and handling skills for Roubaix ? Don’t think he rode it much

Thing is at a top classics team like DQS I doubt he would ever be considered the main man for PR

Randy Archer · 20-09-2020 12:20am

Deleted User wrote: »

Well if you enjoyed the tour you'll be glad to know that usually it's the least exciting of the 3 big grand tours and that the Vuelta and Giro are usually better by miles. I say usually as there no ****ing way the Giro or Vuelta can top that this year ... or can they? both will be on eurosport in the coming weeks and the vuelta on itv 4 too I think.

Ah trust the Giro to be blown to pieces by someone’s bad luck etc

2017 when Tom D went for a **** in the field and all Nariomam had to do was try to cut down on the gap that he was expected to lose on the TT

Then you got 2018 and Yates blowing up and Chris Froome going Nuclear on everyone with Tom D again fighting to win

Last year , compliments of Movie Star Netflix film we had a battle of which team mate was the strongest and Landa throwing stropes , a poor TT and the DS cocking up. Not to mention Lotto Screwing their best TT man and current 1 hour record holder by going for a piss when the rider needed a push when changing bikes (not going to try and spell his name) Oh and Roglic kinda did a Yates by blowing up - but still made podium

Weather also throws up a few clangers in Italy along with a few stray dogs and walkers

Italy is wacky races and they sure love their local riders doing well

The Vuelta , as you pointed out is Helter skelter often surrounding Chris Froome , Contador and of man Valverde (pretending or claiming not to hear a team mates call for a gel or aid lol)

The real excitement in a season is March - April for the monuments and a few of the semi classics ! Every Sunday baby , from St Paddy’s weekend (SAN Remo ) to Easter (Roubaix ) to the GC climbers coming over for Liege Bastion Liege. Amstel had an exciting finish last year too. And Gilbert reeled back the years with a win at Roubaix

Even last years October races in Italy were pretty good considering neither of the GT editions were easy routes

Randy Archer · 20-09-2020 12:28am

breezy1985 wrote: »

Thing is at a top classics team like DQS I doubt he would ever be considered the main man for PR

Ya. Fair point . It’s almost like the team take turns on who wins this weekend . They always have a plan B . And sure, they are Belgian , they’d want their boys to do well - saying that - Julian A was in the mix for most of the classics last year and got on the podium at this year San Remo

Often wondered why Cavendish mostly did stage races in his pomp rather than some of the monuments (I know he did San Remo and is based in Italy) different skills and ability needed for a classic to chasing points jerseys in a stage race or ability to go full on in a classic vs ability to recover in a stage race and take it easy on some days (can’t do that in one days)

Dodge · 20-09-2020 2:15am

Randy Archer wrote: »

Often wondered why Cavendish mostly did stage races in his pomp rather than some of the monuments

Despite some fans love of the monuments, shorter stage races and even those who enjoy Vuelta or Giro more than the TDF... the TDF drives the whole sport.

Every sponsor wants to be involved and every rider wants to be featured. You only have to look at some of the reactions this year (Sam being the most obvious). The Tour is is still the biggest show in cycling by a long long way

Cookie_Monster · 20-09-2020 3:54am

Brian? wrote: »

Some rule changes are needed, starting with banning power meters and race radio.

I've long thought this, together with removing all but 1 of the team cars per team.
Commentators were talking about how all the riders now have maps on their computers too now so they know each and every corner coming up on the downhill. Takes it too far into the technical IMO, a bit like F1 these days how its just about the data and little else.

breezy1985 · 20-09-2020 8:07am

Dodge wrote: »

Despite some fans love of the monuments, shorter stage races and even those who enjoy Vuelta or Giro more than the TDF... the TDF drives the whole sport.

Every sponsor wants to be involved and every rider wants to be featured. You only have to look at some of the reactions this year (Sam being the most obvious). The Tour is is still the biggest show in cycling by a long long way

Especially if you are from the anglophone countries. Also Cavendish was pretty useless at everything except the last 500m so MSR is the only classic would suit and even then its not a nailed on sprint every year

Brian? · 20-09-2020 8:37am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I've long thought this, together with removing all but 1 of the team cars per team.
Commentators were talking about how all the riders now have maps on their computers too now so they know each and every corner coming up on the downhill. Takes it too far into the technical IMO, a bit like F1 these days how its just about the data and little else.

I’ve no problem with the team cars to be honest. I hate seeing races won/lost on a mechanical.

I think the race organisers, especially for the Tour, need to take action on a few fronts: limit technology, but also stage design. There were so many mountain stages that finished on the flat this year. Jumbo just rode tempo on the front so no one could attack, boooooooring.

The only thing that saved this Tour for me was Sam Bennet. Having someone I’m loosely connected to winning the green jersey is amazing.

I was in absolute shock yesterday. I’m not sure I’ll be shocked when we find out how Pogacar managed to pull it off.

Brian? · 20-09-2020 8:40am

Dodge wrote: »

Despite some fans love of the monuments, shorter stage races and even those who enjoy Vuelta or Giro more than the TDF... the TDF drives the whole sport.

Every sponsor wants to be involved and every rider wants to be featured. You only have to look at some of the reactions this year (Sam being the most obvious). The Tour is is still the biggest show in cycling by a long long way

By a huge margin. Living in the Netherlands, close to Belgium it’s pretty much wall to wall cycling anyway. When the Tour is on, everyone talks about cycling at work the way Irish people do about GAA or Rugby. Only F1 gets more discussion because of Max.

monkeybutter · 20-09-2020 9:06am

breezy1985 wrote: »

He was only 1'21 ahead of Porte/Tom and 11' ahead of last place its not like he OTLed half the field. And its not like Pog came out of nowhere and what people forget about Lance is he was looking like a decent classics guy but no world beater and the drugs could even turn sprinters into GC guys

Oh yeah only 1 minute and 21 ahead of the field on a time trial, happens all the time sure

Dead easy

:rolleyes:

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Tour de France 2020 | Stage 20 ITT (Lure - La Planche des Belles Filles, 36.2km)

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