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ELM327 · 27-08-2020 2:59pm

Silent Running wrote: »

With Brexit in mind, I wonder what would happen if you bought a CPO car from UK stock and it was delivered to the NI centre. Would there be import issues from NI?

Unless there;'s a deal to the contrary, NI and GB would both be outside the EU and thus it would be the same as importing from England for tax reasons.

Silent Running · 27-08-2020 4:42pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Unless there;'s a deal to the contrary, NI and GB would both be outside the EU and thus it would be the same as importing from England for tax reasons.

I was just wondering if there might be a little loophole in there somewhere, with NI having a foot in both camps, and the border in the Irish sea. Wishful thinking, I suppose.

ELM327 · 27-08-2020 4:46pm

Silent Running wrote: »

I was just wondering if there might be a little loophole in there somewhere, with NI having a foot in both camps, and the border in the Irish sea. Wishful thinking, I suppose.

Unless there's a deal, NI does not have a foot in both camps.
That was in the instance there was a deal and the backstop was accepted.

Silent Running · 27-08-2020 6:06pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Unless there's a deal, NI does not have a foot in both camps.
That was in the instance there was a deal and the backstop was accepted.

There is a deal (Withdrawal Agreement) signed and ratified by both sides. Even if there was to be no trade deal, this deal is still in force. Part of this deal includes the backstop, or frontstop as it turned out after Boris and Leo met.

The Withdrawal agreement is a binding international agreement and if the UK don't follow through on it's implementation, the consequences for the UK would be unthinkable.

drumm23 · 27-08-2020 7:40pm

Anybody brought an X in recently?

I'm considering importing a Model X 90D from the UK but the ROS site only lists a Model X E100D ... VRT is reasonable at about 4.7k but just wondering if the fact that the actual 90D isn't listed means they'll try to skewer me?

Cheers!

markpb · 28-08-2020 11:36am

drumm23 wrote: »

Anybody brought an X in recently?

I'm considering importing a Model X 90D from the UK but the ROS site only lists a Model X E100D ... VRT is reasonable at about 4.7k but just wondering if the fact that the actual 90D isn't listed means they'll try to skewer me?

Cheers!

I imported an 2018 75D a few months ago. There were no Tesla X on the VRT website at the time so Revenue mulled over it for a few weeks, rolled some dice, multiplied the number a few times and eventually valued it at 90k so a 7.5k VRT bill!

I appealed and pointed out that I could buy a brand new X (with MCUv2 and HW3) for about that price or a second hand 100D for less and they rejected it saying I was comparing different cars to mine.

Not a happy bunny.

unkel · 28-08-2020 11:40am

That's very unfortunate, Mark

It was the opposite for myself and several other Model S buyers in this forum. We all got a substantial or even full refunds on the VRT we paid based on our appeals.

zg3409 · 28-08-2020 1:53pm

Video of Belfast service centre

http://nievo.org/video-exclusive-first-tour-of-new-belfast-tesla-service-centre/?fbclid=IwAR2C4CYGaZCgzJ-bPcUYgFQGdFlP6sncBMkDX4NrFHJRpJw4EvIaXicGoOc

drumm23 · 28-08-2020 1:58pm

markpb wrote: »

I imported an 2018 75D a few months ago. There were no Tesla X on the VRT website at the time so Revenue mulled over it for a few weeks, rolled some dice, multiplied the number a few times and eventually valued it at 90k so a 7.5k VRT bill!

I appealed and pointed out that I could buy a brand new X (with MCUv2 and HW3) for about that price or a second hand 100D for less and they rejected it saying I was comparing different cars to mine.

Not a happy bunny.

Oh no! I knew there'd be a catch. They now list an "E100D 450KW" in the system ... which is presumably a typo of the P100D (tremendous achievement to squeeze a typo in there).

God it's such an infuriating system. Thanks for the reply though, I do appreciate it.

unkel · 28-08-2020 2:04pm

zg3409 wrote: »

Video of Belfast service centre

http://nievo.org/video-exclusive-first-tour-of-new-belfast-tesla-service-centre/?fbclid=IwAR2C4CYGaZCgzJ-bPcUYgFQGdFlP6sncBMkDX4NrFHJRpJw4EvIaXicGoOc

Looks good! Had a big chat with one of the new Belfast guys when I was in Sandyford a few weeks ago, he was work shadowing in Dublin and he couldn't wait to start in Belfast!

markpb · 28-08-2020 3:07pm

unkel wrote: »

That's very unfortunate, Mark

It was the opposite for myself and several other Model S buyers in this forum. We all got a substantial or even full refunds on the VRT we paid based on our appeals.

I think my problem was the lack of other Model X to compare it with and even fewer 75Ds in Ireland. There are plenty of Model S for sale so it's easy to show a market price.

richardsheil · 28-08-2020 10:23pm

markpb wrote: »

I think my problem was the lack of other Model X to compare it with and even fewer 75Ds in Ireland. There are plenty of Model S for sale so it's easy to show a market price.

Go to level 2 of process. Involving appeal process. All on revenue.ie

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/appeals/second-stage.aspx

peposhi · 29-08-2020 11:33am

Mike9832 wrote: »

Can we make this a general Tesla chat thread?

Tesla seem to be in free fall

Under 200 a share now

Anyone bought stock at this price?

Almost lowest in 5 years

Just bought 2 shares for the craic :pac:

Won't hold on to it for long lol, too volatile

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Tesla-Faces-Herculean-Task-As-Share-Price-Tanks.html

I think this could be it for them

Sad if it ends like this, like there cars

We've been saying it for years, so who knows

Elon will have to go?

He's gone awol recently

Delusional taxi fleets/autopilot crap (that won't happen for at least 10 years).

A truck that can't possibly be made with current battery tech.

List goes on and on

Less than a year from now if VW are serious ( they might be ) this is going to leave Tesla as a smudge on the road.

Looking at the OP some time ago and... I guess the current Tesla stock price answers all worries the OP had lol

unkel · 29-08-2020 1:04pm

Under $200 a share. And here we are a bit over year later with over $2,200 a share!

I feel sorry for all those idiots who short sold the company. What a foolish and extremely risky game they played. Hope they didn't "invest" so much that it ruined their finances for life.

JPA · 29-08-2020 2:45pm

peposhi wrote: »

Looking at the OP some time ago and... I guess the current Tesla stock price answers all worries the OP had lol

The OP is not far away!

jhegarty · 29-08-2020 3:12pm

unkel wrote: »

Under $200 a share. And here we are a bit over year later with over $2,200 a share!

I feel sorry for all those idiots who short sold the company. What a foolish and extremely risky game they played. Hope they didn't "invest" so much that it ruined their finances for life.

It will be back down to $442 on Monday.

digiman · 29-08-2020 5:30pm

I bought 10 shares at $178 around a year ago, sold a few weeks later and made about 25% profit, was thrilled with the nice little gain, would only be worth $22k today!! Lol

unkel · 29-08-2020 7:48pm

You and me both digiman!

I always reckoned TSLA was a high risk share and never touched it, but when the price got very low last year after a few incidents / negative news I couldn't resist and I bought some, but I took my profit a few months later at the first good news. Had I kept them and sold them now, I would have been able to buy a brand new Tesla with the profits

30-08-2020 3:37pm

Bitcoin ? very high risk but can be very good return.

jhegarty · 30-08-2020 6:59pm

Lumen · 31-08-2020 7:36am

unkel wrote: »

Under $200 a share. And here we are a bit over year later with over $2,200 a share!

I feel sorry for all those idiots who short sold the company. What a foolish and extremely risky game they played. Hope they didn't "invest" so much that it ruined their finances for life.

Short selling a volatile stock is madness, but IMO the current share price is insanely separated from reality.

Tesla is now seeing real competition. The Polestar 2 has about 10% less real world range, is a bit slower but much better finished. I love the efficiency, performance, charging speed and "otherness" of Teslas, but I don't think most buyers share that set of priorities, as evidenced by the crossover pandemic.

Tesla hype is largely an American phenomenon. Maybe the next generation of international car buyers will have shaken off their parents' preoccupation with panel gaps and paint quality and embraced the terror of autonomous driving, but the current generation may drop Tesla if they can buy a car with largely the same powertrain that satisfies their traditional priorities.

The stories of horribly built Model Ys suggest either that Elon still doesn't care about build quality or that build quality is harder to replicate than powertrain development. But they'll fix it in Germany, right...?

Anyway, I continue to hold the only Tesla stock that's reasonably priced. On my driveway.

unkel · 31-08-2020 9:56am

Haha, yes agreed there Lumen. My only Tesla stock is the one on my drive too. I do hold shares in VW and Hyundai though. That says it all about my view really.

That said, the TSLA shareprice is overhyped, but Tesla as a maker of cars is not imho. They still do have a lot of catching up to do to match European premium cars and the precision building of the Koreans, but in many ways they are very far ahead. Or so said the VW CEO recently. And that's the only car giant that is really catching up. I wouldn't be surprised if some others won't make it into the 2030s...

slave1 · 09-09-2020 1:45pm

See Tesla did not make S&P500, boom, loses 21% of share value in a day, ouchie

ELM327 · 09-09-2020 2:00pm

Worst drop in company history.

Still very high if you use the data and multiply the post split price by 5

09-09-2020 2:01pm

I wonder what the reason was for the drop ? it was quite severe really.

ELM327 · 09-09-2020 2:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder what the reason was for the drop ? it was quite severe really.

Initially profit taking, then the tech industry shares all dropped, then they missed the 500.

slave1 · 09-09-2020 2:22pm

It did not make the S&P Top 500, once it hits this then Tesla will automatically attract Institutional/Unit Fund investors who diversify their portfolio amongst the Top 500.
Recent stock price gains were anticipating this

AndyBoBandy · 12-09-2020 7:54pm

The Tesla destination charger at Lidl Swords appears to have been long since replaced by an EasyGo 22kW AC unit, yet it still shows up as a destination charger in Tesla navigation!!!

It’s a tad annoying... any way to report it to them so they remove it (or stop calling it a Tesla destination charger).

AndyBoBandy · 18-09-2020 2:20pm

I passed a car transporter today on the M1 northbound leaving Dublin, with 3 used Model S onboard (one was a 66 reg).

Could this be a relocation of CPO cars to Tesla Belfast?

Would be useful in future for CPO buyers here who'd then only need to go to Belfast as opposed to mainland U.K. (before December 31st anyway when it all gets turned upside down again...)

unkel · 18-09-2020 2:40pm

Nice spot. I can't see it being anything else than that, probably ship landed at Dublin docks

Old diesel · 18-09-2020 4:05pm

Surely it would be prudent for Sandyford to have a CPO offering in the future.

It's a way of getting people into the brand via 2nd hand examples. Without the faff of UK importing.

AndyBoBandy · 18-09-2020 4:09pm

Old diesel wrote: »

Surely it would be prudent for Sandyford to have a CPO offering in the future.

It's a way of getting people into the brand via 2nd hand examples. Without the faff of UK importing.

I'd imagine though there's not a whole lot of CPO's coming up on Irish plates, whereas in the U.K. it's such a bigger market, and the turn around of cars over there would be huge compared to here..

slave1 · 18-09-2020 4:11pm

..and they give such poor trade in value here, a would bepurchaser from Tesla Ireland would be better off selling privately

drumm23 · 18-09-2020 5:57pm

Gents (and Ladies, of course!)

Test driving this tomorrow, P90DL ... anybody any ideas on what I should check in particular?
Is there any way of knowing whether it still has Free Supercharging from the menu? It should have it but would like to be sure.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-s/fpa/202009093529378

Thanks!

jhegarty · 18-09-2020 7:06pm

drumm23 wrote: »

Gents (and Ladies, of course!)

Test driving this tomorrow, P90DL ... anybody any ideas on what I should check in particular?
Is there any way of knowing whether it still has Free Supercharging from the menu? It should have it but would like to be sure.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-s/fpa/202009093529378

Thanks!

Get more information about the warranty. They may just mean the battery warranty.

Check the range , the 90 packs can have bad range loss.

Nothing else specific I can think of. The millage/age is too low to expect MCU issues yet.

drumm23 · 18-09-2020 7:14pm

jhegarty wrote: »

Get more information about the warranty. They may just mean the battery warranty.

Check the range , the 90 packs can have bad range loss.

Nothing else specific I can think of. The millage/age is too low to expect MCU issues yet.

Thanks! What's the best way of judging the range loss?
Just look at the miles it's indicating versus the charge and extrapolate from that?

A few youtube videos say the sunroof can be troublesome, so I'll have a fiddle at that too.

Gumbo · 18-09-2020 7:44pm

drumm23 wrote: »

Gents (and Ladies, of course!)

Test driving this tomorrow, P90DL ... anybody any ideas on what I should check in particular?
Is there any way of knowing whether it still has Free Supercharging from the menu? It should have it but would like to be sure.

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-s/fpa/202009093529378

Thanks!

Stunning car.
Check that the door handles are operating smoothly.
Check under the bonnet where the wipers would pass, any marking would indicate the motor is on the way out and must be replaced. Twanged told me it was common and had started on mine. Had it replaced in the front garden by Tesla for €395.

Check the screen for yellow marking and ensure the touch screen is ok in all four corners. I sure you can press each icon.

A fellow Boardsie is selling a similar car, a P85DL. Same performance I think.

eamondunphy · 18-09-2020 9:25pm

Hi All

Put the 100 pound down on a CPO tesla in the UK and have a few questions

In one of the emails i was told i could collect the car from one of the following locations:

Your car can be collected from one of the following Tesla delivery locations:
· London Dartford

· Birmingham

· Bristol

· Leeds

· Manchester

· Edinburgh

However, when i put in my parcel motel address, i was given the option of collecting from Belfast, so hopefully this isn't a mistake and means that going forwards, we can collect from there and save the hassle of a day trip to england.

Also, in the link with the photos, there are a few scuffs or scratches, do tesla repair them or tidy them up before i collect the car.

If putting down such large sums, i'd like to think they'd retouch things like this.

drumm23 · 18-09-2020 11:12pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Stunning car.
Check that the door handles are operating smoothly.
Check under the bonnet where the wipers would pass, any marking would indicate the motor is on the way out and must be replaced. Twanged told me it was common and had started on mine. Had it replaced in the front garden by Tesla for €395.

Check the screen for yellow marking and ensure the touch screen is ok in all four corners. I sure you can press each icon.

A fellow Boardsie is selling a similar car, a P85DL. Same performance I think.

That's great Gumbo thanks!

I'd be looking privately - or would import - except I have a car to sell and don't fancy the hell of DoneDeal

slave1 · 18-09-2020 11:34pm

Pop the frunk a few times, if it doesn’t release every time the actuator needs replacing

drumm23 · 19-09-2020 5:28pm

Test drove the P90DL today. Very impressed. It's in good condition.
I couldn't figure out whether you could get the battery to report a percentage ... I took a few photos of the various menus; from what I can garner it does likely have Free Supercharging ... I couldn't find anything to indicate exactly when the standard four year warranty is up (it's a 162 reg so it must be around now).

drumm23 · 19-09-2020 5:34pm

All I'm trying to figure out now is what the residuals will be like ...
selling at €60k today with a dealer means privately it's worth maybe €55k (max) .... so I buy it and drive it for 3 years; it's a seven year old car at that point, but a good spec'd one and probably quite low mileage.... what do people think it would make? I'd be guessing €35k? That reasonable, maybe a bit pessimistic for a ludicrous model, closer to €39k?

It's so hard to figure out the depreciation curve on these!

Gumbo · 19-09-2020 5:36pm

Free supercharging will be in the account on Tesla once registered.
I’ll check to see if it’s mentioned on mine shortly.
The battery %!is just a setting change in the display menu.

How did you find the performance?

19-09-2020 6:01pm

drumm23 wrote: »

All I'm trying to figure out now is what the residuals will be like ...
selling at €60k today with a dealer means privately it's worth maybe €55k (max) .... so I buy it and drive it for 3 years; it's a seven year old car at that point, but a good spec'd one and probably quite low mileage.... what do people think it would make? I'd be guessing €35k? That reasonable, maybe a bit pessimistic for a ludicrous model, closer to €39k?

It's so hard to figure out the depreciation curve on these!

60K for 4 year old car is a bit mad anyway lol, good performance car though is it really worth 60 K to you ?

Hard to know what it will be worth in 3 years, from a technological view I can only see things like increased battery Kwh, reduced charge times Improved Auto Pilot in the years to come, other than that a motor is a motor and a battery a battery, key thing will be battery life and the 90 Kwh looses capacity faster than the 85 so look into this more maybe it's certainly something I think most people looking into a tesla will be looking out for but it's got great performance and that alone is a key selling point.

drumm23 · 19-09-2020 6:19pm

Gumbo wrote: »

How did you find the performance?

In ludicrous mode, when you floor it, it actually makes you feel a bit queasy.

I've owned some fast cars, M3, M6, RS4, SL55, Golf R ... and it makes them all feel completely pedestrian.

I found the auto pilot even more impressive though ... and it looks like this car only has AP1 ... but turning it on on the Sandyford dual carriageway and you can just let it do its thing ... amazing!

drumm23 · 19-09-2020 6:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

60K for 4 year old car is a bit mad anyway lol, good performance car though is it really worth 60 K to you ?

Hard to know what it will be worth in 3 years, from a technological view I can only see things like increased battery Kwh, reduced charge times Improved Auto Pilot in the years to come, other than that a motor is a motor and a battery a battery, key thing will be battery life and the 90 Kwh looses capacity faster than the 85 so look into this more maybe it's certainly something I think most people looking into a tesla will be looking out for but it's got great performance and that alone is a key selling point.

Yes - I think those are all fair points.

I mean, at the price, I was tempted by a GTR.. but I'm sick of the mad tax and the huge maintenance with the highly tuned ICE engines ... and even then it's still slower than the Tesla :eek:

I guess I'm speculating that the Ludicrous model holds a touch more value because there will be a small cohort of people (childish men probably

) who will pay a small premium for a car that accelerates faster than ....a Ferrari Enzo!

19-09-2020 6:35pm

drumm23 wrote: »

Yes - I think those are all fair points.

I mean, at the price, I was tempted by a GTR.. but I'm sick of the mad tax and the huge maintenance with the highly tuned ICE engines ... and even then it's still slower than the Tesla :eek:

I guess I'm speculating that the Ludicrous model holds a touch more value because there will be a small cohort of people (childish men probably ) who will pay a small premium for a car that accelerates faster than ....a Ferrari Enzo!

I'm only guessing that it will hold it's value only depending on how battery degradation goes but research the 90 Kwh battery degradation, perhaps it's something that will level off, perhaps it's something that will accelerate but one thing for certain, if the battery isn't in the best shape when you go to sell it it won't be worth much though it should still have a warranty but even so if it's known to have accelerated degradation it won't do good for resale value.

Acceleration is good but I'm not sure it will be as much fun on the back roads as the i3, it's much lighter. Straight line performance is of course mental, I've yet to drive one.

MY advice to you would be wait until you can find one for around 40K Euro's and keep the 20K after all, it will be much the same car only higher mileage.

Smck1983 · 19-09-2020 7:30pm

Yes selling my P85DL. Big advantage is I still have 2 years and 60K Klms warranty left. Give me a shout if interested.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/p85d-ludicrous-upgrade-0-60-2-8-secs/25859097

Gumbo wrote: »

Stunning car.
Check that the door handles are operating smoothly.
Check under the bonnet where the wipers would pass, any marking would indicate the motor is on the way out and must be replaced. Twanged told me it was common and had started on mine. Had it replaced in the front garden by Tesla for €395.

Check the screen for yellow marking and ensure the touch screen is ok in all four corners. I sure you can press each icon.

A fellow Boardsie is selling a similar car, a P85DL. Same performance I think.

drumm23 · 19-09-2020 7:39pm

Smck1983 wrote: »

Yes selling my P85DL. Big advantage is I still have 2 years and 60K Klms warranty left. Give me a shout if interested.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/p85d-ludicrous-upgrade-0-60-2-8-secs/25859097

Thanks, looks great - problem is I have a luxo barge to trade which won't be easy to off load on DD and makes the dealer route my best option probably

Gumbo · 19-09-2020 7:44pm

drumm23 wrote: »

In ludicrous mode, when you floor it, it actually makes you feel a bit queasy.

I've owned some fast cars, M3, M6, RS4, SL55, Golf R ... and it makes them all feel completely pedestrian.

I found the auto pilot even more impressive though ... and it looks like this car only has AP1 ... but turning it on on the Sandyford dual carriageway and you can just let it do its thing ... amazing!

Where are you based?
Pity there’s no active Tesla meet ups to come have a chat and a look around the cars before making the plunge.

I have a P85+ and I tell you now, I won’t be selling until a P85D or above is affordable to me so I’m very jealous (in a good way) on you PD owners

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