Justice League Spoilers from post 980 onward

Psychiatric Patrick · 24-08-2020 2:48pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

They've never really hinted at the magic angle in the films, so not sure if they can shoe horn that in.

I would like to see Trigon at some stage, hopefully do a better job than they did in Titans.

Then again, considering how things have been handled up to this point..

It would not be shoe horned in though.

It would just be something he didn't know about until it happens.

Tazzimus · 24-08-2020 3:10pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I agree that Superman's powers make it difficult but there is a limit to how many times you can use Kryptonite or take him out of the story so that he doesn't save the day too quickly.

These two cuts of Justice League has done the latter.

There are other options to levelling a fight for Superman in a Justice League movie other than limiting his power . He is as susceptible to magic as everyone else. Pit him against a team with different types of powers - like in Infinity War and Endgame when the heroes literally ganged up on Thanos. If the villain has an army then just send wave after wave against Superman - can be a lot of cool action to see and hinders hm being the one to save the day.

The Flash is the same. He is so fast no one can match than but rather than another speedster or zapping his power you put hm up against someone who can still get to him without needing to slow him down. Or someone so strong that his speed punch doesn't affect.

I agree, but Hollywood have proved they're not really radical thinkers.
They've written DCU Superman to be pretty much indestructible.

I do hope they can come up with something decent though, Kryptonite only flies so many times.

Tefral wrote: »

Shazam....

Superman has a serious weakness to magical based powers.

Completely forgot about Shazam, and it was one of the better movies..

They need to introduce magic into the world first properly before attacking Superman with it, not just the few items WW has.

They can't just turn up and go MAGIC BITCH, boom.

Psychiatric Patrick · 24-08-2020 3:34pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

I agree, but Hollywood have proved they're not really radical thinkers.
They've written DCU Superman to be pretty much indestructible.

I do hope they can come up with something decent though, Kryptonite only flies so many times.

Completely forgot about Shazam, and it was one of the better movies..

They need to introduce magic into the world first properly before attacking Superman with it, not just the few items WW has.

They can't just turn up and go MAGIC BITCH, boom.

Shazam and Wonder Woman have shown that there is magic.

Superman can actually get hit with it out of the blue. Afterwards we can see Lois ask him what happened. He can say he was aware that magic existed but had never encountered it before, maybe even that he assumed he was immune.

Brief_Lives · 30-08-2020 1:54pm

EoinMcLovin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6512XKKNkU

This looks incredible.... with this and the other trailers for The Batman and The Suicide Squad, show gritty dark stuff, a different step from the MCU and maybe WB/DC have got their act together...

also because there are 4 hours available for this Snyder cut on HBO, that means it was all filmed before the trajedy hit his family?
SO, Whedon was brought in to edit down to 2 hours, but then given free reign to change the story and make reshoots?

here is also a nice online Q&A with Zach and the Justice League......

Brief_Lives · 30-08-2020 2:18pm

Brief_Lives wrote: »

also because there are 4 hours available for this Snyder cut on HBO, that means it was all filmed before the trajedy hit his family?
SO, Whedon was brought in to edit down to 2 hours, but then given free reign to change the story and make reshoots?

Ok, this helps explains things to me....

ronano · 30-08-2020 3:10pm

I thought the original cut was bad, I enjoy aspects of him as a director but he's all aesthetic. That all said, if you give me the chance to watch this in the cinema given covid and just seeing the differences from mess to sprawling mess, I am game.

Drumpot · 04-09-2020 10:12pm

Just watched the ultimate cut again of BvS. Whole family started to filter in and watch it and everybody really enjoyed it.

I see a lot of the more recent reviews on IMDB have been extremely favourable.

Hope Snyder makes the justice league as dark and in the same mould as BvS.

Mr Crispy · 08-09-2020 9:18pm

The Ray Fisher/WB dispute is getting very messy! (/film)

Psychiatric Patrick · 08-09-2020 10:32pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

The Ray Fisher/WB dispute is getting very messy! (/film)

I find that all very confusing.

I thought the issue was that Whedon was being abusive to everyone on the set, and Fisher complained to a producer. When nothing was done he contacted someone higher up but then cornered by Geoff Johns and threaten "in a nice way".

But is it really only about the portrayal of the character of Cyborg in the movie?

Psychiatric Patrick · 17-09-2020 6:34pm

How powerful are DC Amazons?

I know they have speed, strength and stamina but what DC (or Marvel) hero has equivalent power?

Are they all Captain America or much stronger, faster, etc.?

The White Wolf · 21-10-2020 9:40pm

The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed that Jared Leto has joined Snyder's additional shoot taking place currently.

Should be interesting to see Leto under different direction and with the benefit of hindsight at play.

Lithium93_ · 21-10-2020 9:40pm

Surprising, and unexpected to say the least.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/jared-leto-joker-justice-league-zack-snyder-1234812428/

The White Wolf · 21-10-2020 9:42pm

Snap :P

I'm glad to hear this news tbh, I was excited when Leto was cast and hopefully with the benefit of hindsight they'll be able to correct that abomination from Suicide Squad.

Lithium93_ · 21-10-2020 9:45pm

Not quick enough it seems :pac:

Will keep an open mind as to how Leto's Joker fits into it all.

The White Wolf · 21-10-2020 9:48pm

It must be a flashback related to Batman's redemption arc.

PsychoPete · 21-10-2020 9:50pm

I thought we reached peak bad news in 2020

Agent Coulson · 21-10-2020 10:06pm

Flash back to Jason Todd maybe.

pixelburp · 21-10-2020 10:23pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Flash back to Jason Todd maybe.

My first thought too; we do see his costume spray painted by the Joker but hanging in the batcave, during either BVS or JL (I can't recall which)

Lithium93_ · 22-10-2020 2:47am

pixelburp wrote: »

My first thought too; we do see his costume spray painted by the Joker but hanging in the batcave, during either BVS or JL (I can't recall which)

It was BVS, as I remember watching & hoping they'd come back to that somewhere down the line...

The White Wolf · 22-10-2020 7:29am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Flash back to Jason Todd maybe.

Snyder said previously that in his universe it's

Dick Grayson

that is dead. Can't remember though if that's because he was the one murdered by The Joker.

Brief_Lives · 22-10-2020 9:02am

I think, Dick Grayson survived being Robin, Jason Todd was killed and Tim Drake went mad from being tortured by the Joker? correct me if I am wrong, no time to go wikipedia hunting right now...

Mal-Adjusted · 22-10-2020 11:21am

The White Wolf wrote: »

Snap :P

I'm glad to hear this news tbh, I was excited when Leto was cast and hopefully with the benefit of hindsight they'll be able to correct that abomination from Suicide Squad.

On a side note, SS director David Ayer says that the film was more or less taken off of him and that an "Ayer cut" is more or less on the shelf and ready to go if there was any intirest in a directors cut.

Brief_Lives · 22-10-2020 11:49am

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

On a side note, SS director David Ayer says that the film was more or less taken off of him and that an "Ayer cut" is more or less on the shelf and ready to go if there was any intirest in a directors cut.

If it includes that swirling cloud of evil (did they learn nothing from Green Lantern) and the weird bubble headed looking alien henchmen (what the fcuk were they?)

no thanks

homerun_homer · 22-10-2020 3:53pm

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

On a side note, SS director David Ayer says that the film was more or less taken off of him and that an "Ayer cut" is more or less on the shelf and ready to go if there was any intirest in a directors cut.

Funny how he says this now when in 2016 he said "this cut of the movie is my cut, there's no sort of parallel universe version of the movie, the released movie is my cut."

I know there is towing the studio promo line at the time but then you don't need to come out with this kind of comment if you secretly wish you could do a director's cut in time. It's likely to generate hyppe, more fan calls for this cut to be made and come out and a few more $$ to be squeezed from it.

splashthecash · 22-10-2020 4:08pm

homerun_homer wrote: »

Funny how he says this now when in 2016 he said "this cut of the movie is my cut, there's no sort of parallel universe version of the movie, the released movie is my cut."

I know there is towing the studio promo line at the time but then you don't need to come out with this kind of comment if you secretly wish you could do a director's cut in time. It's likely to generate hyppe, more fan calls for this cut to be made and come out and a few more $$ to be squeezed from it.

Is there an element of this whole "secret cut" of a movie being used as an excuse by directors when the original one doesn't go down well..."oh well, you'd want to see the version I WANTED to put out, but the bad men in the studio wouldn't let me"

FunLover18 · 22-10-2020 4:26pm

Can we stop calling it the "Snyder Cut" now, this is not a new cut of existing footage and with Leto's addition this doesn't even seem to be the original vision Snyder had himself.

CastorTroy · 22-10-2020 4:36pm

If they ever get around to making another film in this universe will it be a follow up to the Whedon version or this version?

homerun_homer · 22-10-2020 4:52pm

CastorTroy wrote: »

If they ever get around to making another film in this universe will it be a follow up to the Whedon version or this version?

I'd imagine any sequel would be a follow up to this future slo-mo sh!t show.

22-10-2020 11:21pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

Can we stop calling it the "Snyder Cut" now, this is not a new cut of existing footage and with Leto's addition this doesn't even seem to be the original vision Snyder had himself.

What shall we call it? Not being smart, because it is a fairly unique, unprecedented project and "Director's Cut" doesn't quite...cut it.

It does seem that Snyder is adding material which he didn't intend for his original vision. Clearly, WB see this having legs and are investing in it as a flagship for a new HBO streaming platform. If you have personalities like Ben Affleck and Jared Leto saying "Sure, why not!" to additional filming...well then why not throw everything at this and make it the best (that the director thinks) it can be. All of the important parties are probably looking at this now as "We have 3/4 of a TV series already shot, let's put our all into the final 1/4."

I would hope myself that Leto is to be used in flashbacks. If this JL project will be shown in episodic format as has been mooted, a full episode of a flashback to Batman/Joker's history would be something I'd be very much interested in. As has been already hinted at in this universe, Batman and Joker have some serious beef in their collective past revolving around Robin.

Otherwise, outside of flashbacks, inserting Leto's Joker into the present timeline of Justice League doesn't really interest me. Surely it's going to be convoluted enough as is with Steppenwolf, Darkseid et al.

Wedwood · 23-10-2020 7:55am

Redux !!

Agent Coulson · 24-10-2020 10:41am

Manganiello has been pictured with the same hair and beard he had for Deathstroke so there is now talk that he is heading back to film scenes.

splashthecash · 24-10-2020 11:49am

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Manganiello has been pictured with the same hair and beard he had for Deathstroke so there is now talk that he is heading back to film scenes.

This is a new film folks - no two ways about it. New tone, characters, scenes and I would say the story will be significantly different too. Very excited for this

johnny_ultimate · 24-10-2020 12:08pm

Let’s just be clear that any notion that this is the fabled Snyder Cut of the original film can now be completely disregarded. This is not the film he’d have made even if he finished production as planned.

The White Wolf · 24-10-2020 12:20pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Let’s just be clear that any notion that this is the fabled Snyder Cut of the original film can now be completely disregarded. This is not the film he’d have made even if he finished production as planned.

There was a cut, just not one that was 4 hours long.

Snyder has taken to saying "no compromises" so I imagine the stuff he's shooting is from his and Terrio's script that was thrown out by Geoff Johns.

Either way whether he had a cut or not is irrelevant at this point.

kerplun k · 24-10-2020 12:26pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Let’s just be clear that any notion that this is the fabled Snyder Cut of the original film can now be completely disregarded. This is not the film he’d have made even if he finished production as planned.

Any real notion of a Snyder cut was abolished the minute he was fired, the events that led to this version were always going to have an impact on Snyders version.

The important thing here is that he has all his original footage and he’s not using any of JWs footage.

He’s adding footage that will suit Snyders original tone and vision, so while it’s not a fabled Snyder cut, it will be in the spirit of a Snyder cut, and that’s good enough for me.

The White Wolf · 30-10-2020 9:31am

Prior to Justice League’s reshoot process, blatantly racist conversations were had and entertained—on multiple occasions—by former and current top level executives at Warner Bros. Pictures,” Fisher claimed. “Decision-makers that participated in those racist conversations were Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, and current Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich.

https://deadline.com/2020/10/justice-league-ray-fisher-claims-race-influenced-warner-bros-reshoots-1234571413/

I hope Ray got some sound advice before going public with this. Apparently there was an accusation of recolouring a black actor by Whedon included in the Forbes interview however this seems to have disappeared now.

pixelburp · 30-10-2020 10:29am

I'm not long out of bed so maybe it's that, but I'm really not seeing any examples of this racist behaviour Fisher is meant to have experienced. Lots of abstracts and nods towards the concept, but no "they did / said this about me". Or indeed what other people of colour were "erased" from the film besides himself. Plus it's kinda funny how he's complaining about Cyborg getting sidelined when he was a central pillar of the entire plot. As the new character he got a lot of screen time IMO

The White Wolf · 30-10-2020 10:50am

Definitely some flimsy accusations that will play into the hands of his detractors.

JP Liz V1 · 11-11-2020 3:28am

Zack Snyder says Carla Gugino was his choice to play Catwoman

Brief_Lives · 11-11-2020 7:25am

another watchmen favourite.
great actress though.

techdiver · 11-11-2020 8:51am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Zack Snyder says Carla Gugino was his choice to play Catwoman

She also voiced Kelor (one of the Krypton AI robots) in Man of Steel and also the ship AI in Batman v Superman.

The White Wolf · 11-11-2020 9:16am

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Zack Snyder says Carla Gugino was his choice to play Catwoman

Where did he say that? I can't find anything recent but I do recall him saying it before.

When I read the likes of Hush and the Long Halloween recently, Guigino was the first that came into my mind as the character. She would be fantastic.

It really is to be spoilt being a comic book fan these days.

Drumpot · 11-11-2020 11:47am

Any chance they try and squeeze this out for Christmas? Seems like a superb opportunity to get huge attention when no other movie or show like this will be released anytime soon. There is literally no competition for this movie, possibly until next summer. The fact it’s gonna be on TV means they can release it whenever they want. I’d pay 20 quid to see what it’s offering.

dublinman1990 · 11-11-2020 11:45pm

Zack Snyder has released these pics as a first look. He leaked them through an interview with The Nerd Queens on Youtube.

Darkseid

Martian Manhunter (poor quality)

https://cosmicbook.news/zack-snyder-darkseid-martian-manhunter

Your thoughts?

Agent Coulson · 11-11-2020 11:49pm

I'm not going to lie I would have loved to have seen Carla Gugino as Catwoman.

JP Liz V1 · 12-11-2020 2:44am

The White Wolf wrote: »

Where did he say that? I can't find anything recent but I do recall him saying it before.

When I read the likes of Hush and the Long Halloween recently, Guigino was the first that came into my mind as the character. She would be fantastic.

It really is to be spoilt being a comic book fan these days.

https://movieweb.com/carla-gugino-catwoman-dceu-dc-movies-zack-snyder/

The White Wolf · 12-11-2020 12:53pm

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Zack Snyder has released these pics as a first look. He leaked them through an interview with The Nerd Queens on Youtube.

Darkseid

Martian Manhunter (poor quality)

https://cosmicbook.news/zack-snyder-darkseid-martian-manhunter

Your thoughts?

I was hoping for a crazy alien Darkseid design but he looks surprisingly pedestrian in design there.

Then again after Doomsday was inextinguishable from a troll in the LOTR or HP series I don't know what I was hoping for.

There's concept art out there of Steppenwolf that looks fantastic. I was hoping Darkseid would follow that general look.

kerplun k · 14-11-2020 11:20am

Apparently there’ll only be about 5 minutes of actual new footage.

The White Wolf · 14-11-2020 11:29am

Seen that....don't believe it. But I suppose 5 mins is a long time in a Snyder film.

Mr Crispy · 14-11-2020 11:34am

Is that 5 mins pre or post slow-mo?

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