Justice League **Spoilers from post 980 onward**

The White Wolf wrote: »

I assumed that it was Desaad in the hood in the trailer but Heavy Spoilers on YouTube pointed out that it could be Steppenwolf being banished from Apokilips after first invasion of earth failed. The face design seems to match the facial design of Steppenwolf in a later scene (from what we can slightly see).

I don't know much about the characters of Apokilips but the chin of the being in the hood does seem the be the same chin Steppenwolf has.

But is that Darkseidat the beginning? If it is I'm surprised they'd reveal him so early but the looked very thin to be Darkseid.

Is Steppenwolf banishment mentioned in the theatrical version?

The White Wolf wrote: »

The chins do seem to match.

That's "Uxas" at the beginning, basically a young Darkseid.

Steppenwolf is meant to be banished after the first failed invasion, and the reason he's searching for the mother boxes in Justice League is to literally unlock his mother's power in order to overthrow Darkseid.

I did not know anything about Darkseid's origins. I read a bit up to how he created Deesad but stopped in case any of it is in the new Cut.

Is that what Steppenwolf is up to in the theatrical cut or the Snyder Cut or both? I don't remember anything about being banished and would have said, if asked, he was working for Darkseid.

And that is not me having a pop at the Whedon cut. It is just my bad memory.

I enjoyed the theatrical version. The Steppenwolf VFX were brutal, there was not enough about the League chargers outside of the mission and there was not enough Superman but I like it.

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

there was not enough Superman but I like it.

The problem with Superman is you can't really have him in the whole film, otherwise nothings a threat.
When he did show up, he was toying with Steppenwolf.
Marvel have the same problem with Captain Marvel.

You either need to take them out of the film early to do other stuff, or limit their power with some form of mcguffin. Otherwise it's over after the first conflict.

Tazzimus wrote: »

The problem with Superman is you can't really have him in the whole film, otherwise nothings a threat.
When he did show up, he was toying with Steppenwolf.
Marvel have the same problem with Captain Marvel.

You either need to take them out of the film early to do other stuff, or limit their power with some form of mcguffin. Otherwise it's over after the first conflict.

No you can just give them an adversary that is a threat. Or an lot of less powerful ones.

The animated Justice League had a lot of stories where they didn't have to limit any powers.

The character in the hood definitely looked to be DeSaad to me. Check out the animated movie Justice League: War. He appears in that movie. He always appears with a hood on as in the trailer with similar facial features.

He is basically one of Darkseids right hand men.

Tazzimus wrote: »

There's only really a handful that are a threat to him though, they've already killed Doomsday and Zod.
Need to save the others for big films so they don't run out of credible enemies too soon. Darkseid will obviously be showing up at some stage.

Throwing lots of less powerful ones at him would be a waste as well, as you know they're not a threat, just takes a bit longer due to numbers.



That's the problem when one of your main heroes is basically invincible with all sorts of powers.

There are plenty of villains that can defeat superman. Trigon, Brainiac, etc. Characters such as Constantine could hold their own as Superman had very little defence against magic.

Tazzimus wrote: »

There's only really a handful that are a threat to him though, they've already killed Doomsday and Zod.
Need to save the others for big films so they don't run out of credible enemies too soon. Darkseid will obviously be showing up at some stage.

Throwing lots of less powerful ones at him would be a waste as well, as you know they're not a threat, just takes a bit longer due to numbers.



That's the problem when one of your main heroes is basically invincible with all sorts of powers.

I agree that Superman's powers make it difficult but there is a limit to how many times you can use Kryptonite or take him out of the story so that he doesn't save the day too quickly.

These two cuts of Justice League has done the latter.

There are other options to levelling a fight for Superman in a Justice League movie other than limiting his power . He is as susceptible to magic as everyone else. Pit him against a team with different types of powers - like in Infinity War and Endgame when the heroes literally ganged up on Thanos. If the villain has an army then just send wave after wave against Superman - can be a lot of cool action to see and hinders hm being the one to save the day.

The Flash is the same. He is so fast no one can match than but rather than another speedster or zapping his power you put hm up against someone who can still get to him without needing to slow him down. Or someone so strong that his speed punch doesn't affect.

techdiver wrote: »

There are plenty of villains that can defeat superman. Trigon, Brainiac, etc. Characters such as Constantine could hold their own as Superman had very little defence against magic.

I started my post earlier and didn't see yours on magic - was not copying you :pac:

Tazzimus wrote: »

They've never really hinted at the magic angle in the films, so not sure if they can shoe horn that in.

I would like to see Trigon at some stage, hopefully do a better job than they did in Titans.

Then again, considering how things have been handled up to this point..

It would not be shoe horned in though.

It would just be something he didn't know about until it happens.

Tazzimus wrote: »

I agree, but Hollywood have proved they're not really radical thinkers.
They've written DCU Superman to be pretty much indestructible.

I do hope they can come up with something decent though, Kryptonite only flies so many times.



Completely forgot about Shazam, and it was one of the better movies..

They need to introduce magic into the world first properly before attacking Superman with it, not just the few items WW has.

They can't just turn up and go MAGIC BITCH, boom.

Shazam and Wonder Woman have shown that there is magic.

Superman can actually get hit with it out of the blue. Afterwards we can see Lois ask him what happened. He can say he was aware that magic existed but had never encountered it before, maybe even that he assumed he was immune.

Brief_Lives wrote: »

also because there are 4 hours available for this Snyder cut on HBO, that means it was all filmed before the trajedy hit his family?
SO, Whedon was brought in to edit down to 2 hours, but then given free reign to change the story and make reshoots?

Ok, this helps explains things to me....

Mr Crispy wrote: »

The Ray Fisher/WB dispute is getting very messy! (/film)

I find that all very confusing.

I thought the issue was that Whedon was being abusive to everyone on the set, and Fisher complained to a producer. When nothing was done he contacted someone higher up but then cornered by Geoff Johns and threaten "in a nice way".

But is it really only about the portrayal of the character of Cyborg in the movie?

The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed that Jared Leto has joined Snyder's additional shoot taking place currently.

Should be interesting to see Leto under different direction and with the benefit of hindsight at play.

Snap :P

I'm glad to hear this news tbh, I was excited when Leto was cast and hopefully with the benefit of hindsight they'll be able to correct that abomination from Suicide Squad.