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Hi vis discussion thread (read post #1)

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  • #202
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    The grey, glass bead strips I think they're called, strips on the hi viz jackets really illuminate when a head light shines on them.
    In an urban/built up area though you should be travelling with dips, so only useful in the country.

    Also the ones supplied by the RSA last year had to all be recalled as this strip was just grey material with no reflective properties.

    That said if everyone used the legally required lights then this would be a non issue, in the countryside they provide a benefit if the reflective material is any use but even then, lights are more essential unless the driver refuses to dim.


  • #203
    CatFromHue
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    Even with the dips they show up a bit, not to the same degree as full beams but enough to let you know they're there.


  • #204
    Iwannahurl
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Does the RSA really expect pedestrians to wear "reflective" (by which I presume they mean fluorescent with reflective stripes) clothing during the day? Do they foresee a future in which most people actually do this? Do they really want primary school children to harrass their parents into dressing like binmen every time they leave the house without car keys?


    Recently I saw a reference somewhere to some hi-vis material as being "incandescent".

    The RSA seems to be obsessed with hi-vis. Their new CEO, Moyagh Murdock, was on RTE Radio 1, yesterday I think, promoting hi-vis in the context of the latest Slow Down Day, which takes place tomorrow.

    We cycle to school every day, but last week my youngest wanted us to go past the school to a car-park approx 1 km further away, in order to participate in Walk on Wednesday. Part of the attraction, it seems, is dressing up in hi-vis. Kids whose parents drive to the car-park, some passing the school on the way, and walk back with hi-vis on are recognised and rewarded. Those who travel on foot, by bike or by bus every day are ignored.


  • #205
    rp
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    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    Recently I saw a reference somewhere to some hi-vis material as being "incandescent".
    I love it! keeps you visible *and* warm!


  • #206
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    We cycle to school every day, but last week my youngest wanted us to go past the school to a car-park approx 1 km further away, in order to participate in Walk on Wednesday. Part of the attraction, it seems, is dressing up in hi-vis. Kids whose parents drive to the car-park, some passing the school on the way, and walk back with hi-vis on are recognised and rewarded. Those who travel on foot, by bike or by bus every day are ignored.

    Yesterday was Cycle on Wednesday in my girlfriend's school, or COW day. A few people dressed up in cow onesies - probably more noticeable than hi-vis!

    Animal-Costume-Cow-Onesie.jpg


  • #207
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,753 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    buffalo wrote: »
    Yesterday was Cycle on Wednesday in my girlfriend's school

    Gee Buffalo, how old exactly is your girlfriend. I mean, were not talking illegal right?


  • #208
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,137 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Gee Buffalo, how old exactly is your girlfriend. I mean, were not talking illegal right?
    No, she's actually a cow.

    Would you expect a buffalo to be chasing after a human woman? Ewwww.


  • #209
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,753 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Lumen wrote: »
    No, she's actually a cow.

    Never met her so can't comment on that.


  • #210
    buffalo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    She goes to a cow college. In Moo York.


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  • #211
    Iwannahurl
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    Mooving on, I spotted a cyclist yesterday evening in Galway around 5:30. The clocks have gone back, so it was quite dark. Well past lighting-up time anyway.

    Helmet on. Hi-vis vest flapping. No lights front or back. Cycling on the footpath. On the wrong side of the roads for his direction of travel.

    How to even begin unravelling that mindset?


  • #212
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Iwannahurl wrote: »
    How to even begin unravelling that mindset?

    In theory it's really simple. Have AGS actually out on the roads enforcing all the laws & educating people on what they are doing wrong rather than just generating money from speeding.

    However in practice this will never happen and they also have the mindset that hi-vis is best, you should be in cycle lanes etc for some reason. There is also practically zero enforcement of rules for cars and other traffic so nobody cares at all what goes on on the roads once you're under the speed limit.


  • #213
    ThisRegard
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    Kids and high his are my new pet topic. Last week at the Halloween Spooky forest there was a bunch of them together.

    This one I couldn't understand though. There was a group of kids, about 8 or 9, in Imaginosity, all wearing them. I know there's a box of them in the place around the construction zone that kids can put on, but it wasn't that.

    They were just a group together all wearing them in an indoor kids museum/play area as when they walked down the steps to the cloak room, they all took them off, put their coats on, and put the high vis back on over their coats.


  • #214
    CramCycle
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    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Kids and high his are my new pet topic. Last week at the Halloween Spooky forest there was a bunch of them together.

    This one I couldn't understand though. There was a group of kids, about 8 or 9, in Imaginosity, all wearing them. I know there's a box of them in the place around the construction zone that kids can put on, but it wasn't that.

    They were just a group together all wearing them in an indoor kids museum/play area as when they walked down the steps to the cloak room, they all took them off, put their coats on, and put the high vis back on over their coats.

    School day out? Often schools will have a particular stand out piece of clothing to make their kids easily recognise able in places with a crowd. I think earlier I mentioned my daughters school has pink baseball caps and bumbags


  • #215
    ThisRegard
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    School day out? Often schools will have a particular stand out piece of clothing to make their kids easily recognise able in places with a crowd. I think earlier I mentioned my daughters school has pink baseball caps and bumbags

    School holidays this week. At least your daughters school is different with pink caps, but as I said before, any benefit is lost when you have several groups of kids around the same age all wearing the same freebie RSA high vis vests in the same place, such as the zoo. In fact it would make it more difficult to distinguish who's in your group.


  • #216
    CramCycle
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    Completely agree, which is why I was impressed when I heard about the caps.


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  • #217
    tomasrojo
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    Just heard this on the radio.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/pedestrians-should-use-hi-vis-jackets-when-out-walking-656331.html

    Pedestrians should wear hi-viz when out walking. Motorists don't get off scot-free though! They also have a duty to carry hi-viz jackets, to distribute to non-compliant pedestrians. See, we all share responsibility!

    (Again, Mayo prominently mentioned in article.)


  • #218
    Chips Lovell
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,269 Mod ✭✭✭✭Chips Lovell


    I totally agree with this. I find it very hard to spot pedestrians when I'm driving on the footpath.


  • #219
    CatFromHue
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    I'm guessing that they're talking about pedestrians out in rural areas, as it's someone from the Mayo Co. Co. quoted, where there may be no street lights or path so this makes alot of sense.

    You do see pedestrians walking on the hard shoulder of some rural roads, though in fairness the ones I've seen do wear hi viz jackets.


  • #220
    Eamonnator
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    Motorists in France are obliged to carry a Hi-Viz jacket in their car, one for each occupant.


  • #221
    tomasrojo
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    How many of "the forty-two pedestrians that have been killed in road accidents since the start of the year" were killed on rural roads during times of poor visibility? Be nice to hear what the plans are for all the other scenarios.


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  • #222
    CatFromHue
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    Whether people are dying from it or now it's a good idea if you're walking on the road, as there's no path, in poor visibility to wear one of these


  • #223
    tomasrojo
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    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Whether people are dying from it or now it's a good idea if you're walking on the road, as there's no path, in poor visibility to wear one of these
    I agree. The statement contains none of that detail, and also exhorts motorists to pester pedestrians, with no discrimination between daylight, night, type of roads, anything.

    You might expect the "and as for motorists" part of the statement to say something about driving so that you're able to stop in time based on the amount of road visible ahead, but instead it's some bizarre scheme to act as informal hi-viz distributors for the RSA.


  • #224
    NeedMoreGears
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    My own experience of walking in rural Mayo was that pedestrians often carried lights.


  • #225
    Cantona's Collars
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    Motorists in France are obliged to carry a Hi-Viz jacket in their car, one for each occupant.

    That's actually a very good idea,at least if you are unfortunate enough to break down or need to change a wheel at the roadside you'll be more visible to passing traffic.

    On the topic of cyclists,it was a dank,wet & dark day today & I came across 6 in total with all wearing black & not one bit of hi viz.One did have a barely visible light on the back but it was covered in road splatter.
    It's compulsory on a building site to wear hi viz to help drivers spot you,why not just have some common sense on the road to play your part in getting to your destination alive when on your bike?
    I also passed several joggers & all bar one were easily seen wearing flourescent bibs or tops with reflective strips.All could be seen from a good distance.
    When I'm on the road,I like to be seen by motorists,I'm not on a stealth mission & trying to blend in with the background.


  • #226
    CatFromHue
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    I agree. The statement contains none of that detail, and also exhorts motorists to pester pedestrians, with no discrimination between daylight, night, type of roads, anything.

    You might expect the "and as for motorists" part of the statement to say something about driving so that you're able to stop in time based on the amount of road visible ahead, but instead it's some bizarre scheme to act as informal hi-viz distributors for the RSA.


    You're reading way way way way too much into it.


  • #227
    tomasrojo
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    Common sense, you say (pre-edit)? Let's look up Noel Gibbons, originator of the informal hi-viz distribution network. He seems to be best known for this recent contribution to road safety:

    Blessing the roads in Mayo (his brainchild, as I saw it described in the media)
    http://www.thejournal.ie/roads-in-mayo-get-prayers-and-blessings-in-a-bid-to-reduce-road-deathsroads-in-mayo-get-prayers-and-blessings-in-a-bid-to-reduce-road-deaths-1420708-Apr2014/

    He also achieved modest fame by taking the initiative and starting his very own number plates for bikes scheme.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055939378

    And now he's encouraging motorists to pull up to lone pedestrians at night in sparsely populated areas and give them a lecture on road safety. Because people appreciate being spooked at night and then given a lecture by a random stranger.


  • #228
    RainyDay
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    zerks wrote: »
    On the topic of cyclists,it was a dank,wet & dark day today & I came across 6 in total with all wearing black & not one bit of hi viz.One did have a barely visible light on the back but it was covered in road splatter.
    It's compulsory on a building site to wear hi viz to help drivers spot you,why not just have some common sense on the road to play your part in getting to your destination alive when on your bike?
    What colour is the car you used to pass all these dark cyclists and bright joggers?


  • #229
    snailsong
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    tomasrojo wrote: »
    Common sense, you say (pre-edit)? Let's look up Noel Gibbons, originator of the informal hi-viz distribution network. He seems to be best known for this recent contribution to road safety:

    Blessing the roads in Mayo (his brainchild, as I saw it described in the media)
    http://www.thejournal.ie/roads-in-mayo-get-prayers-and-blessings-in-a-bid-to-reduce-road-deathsroads-in-mayo-get-prayers-and-blessings-in-a-bid-to-reduce-road-deaths-1420708-Apr2014/

    He also achieved modest fame by taking the initiative and starting his very own number plates for bikes scheme.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055939378

    And now he's encouraging motorists to pull up to lone pedestrians at night in sparsely populated areas and give them a lecture on road safety. Because people appreciate being spooked at night and then given a lecture by a random stranger.

    I know this man quite well and I think you may have a misconception as to his motives.

    The blessing of roads was not his initiative, it goes on in lots of places. He used the opportunity to draw attention to road safety.

    The number plates on kids bikes was another initiative to emphasise the fact that bikes are part of road traffic and need to be treated as such. It was ultimately a publicity stunt, he wouldnt advocate compulsory plates.

    As road safety officer it's his job to raise awareness of road safety issues.

    For the record, Noel is a keen cyclist, runner and triathlete. He is a member of a cycling club and has won a fair few half marathons, adventure races and duathlon. I once beat him in a TT but I think he had a mechanical.

    He was involved in the RSA tv ad encouraging motorists to respect cyclists, it was filmed in Mayo.

    There's lots of signs around Mayo asking motorists for give 1.5 metres to cyclists, his iniatative.

    It's true he's very keen on hi vis but I'm just giving a bit of perspective.


  • #230
    Eamonnator
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    RainyDay wrote: »
    What colour is the car you used to pass all these dark cyclists and bright joggers?

    When was the last time, you saw a Dyno-Rod van, involved in a collision?


  • #231
    CatFromHue
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    tomasrojo wrote: »

    And now he's encouraging motorists to pull up to lone pedestrians at night in sparsely populated areas and give them a lecture on road safety. Because people appreciate being spooked at night and then given a lecture by a random stranger.
    "Also if they have a spare one and they do meet a pedestrian that doesn't have one, to do a good deed and give them a hi-vis jacket."

    Again, you're reading way way way way too much into it.


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  • #232
    tomasrojo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,803 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Again, you're reading way way way way too much into it.
    Actually, with some allowance for comic exaggeration, I'm following your lead. You said that his comments were implicitly restricted to poorly lit rural roads with no footpath. Sort of reductio ad absurdum. Or, as you might put it, reading way way way way too much into it to highlight how poorly thought through this whole wheeze actually is.

    snailsong, I'm not judging the content of his character, just the bizarre content of his public pronouncements.


  • #233
    CatFromHue
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    He's an officer of Mayo Co. Co. so it's not a huge jump of the imagination to believe he's talking about Mayo where there are alot or poorly lit rural roads.


  • #234
    tomasrojo
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    I think you're reading way way way way too little into what I've written.


  • #235
    CatFromHue
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    csi-miami.jpg

    From now on I'm going to read little of what you write

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  • #236
    tomasrojo
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    By which I mean (as that sounded rather more sarky than I meant) I actually am going with your assumption that he's referring to rural roads at night. I still don't see how it makes sense to have ordinary people, rather than, say, police, bestowing hiviz jackets out of car windows to people minding their own business.

    Essentially, this is a brainfart of some description that wafted straight across the national airwaves because a road safety "expert" said it.


  • #237
    Beasty
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    CatFromHue wrote: »

    From now on I'm going to read little of what you write
    If you have a problem with a post or poster report the post and leave the mods to deal with it as they see fit. Comments like this are attacking the poster and off-topic.

    Any questiosns, PM me - do not respond in thread

    Now can we move the discussion on and leave this particular aspect of the topic there


  • #238
    ezra_pound
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    The nine o clock news piece on road deaths finished off with a comment about giving out hi viz to those without. I thought I misheard but...


  • #239
    RainyDay
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    Eamonnator wrote: »
    When was the last time, you saw a Dyno-Rod van, involved in a collision?

    Do they have some kind of magic immunity? If so, it's not working too well;

    http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/4034371.M40_crash_causing_delays_for_commuters/

    http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/123794/mum-pays-tribute-to-cymau-man-killed-in-car-crash.aspx


  • #240
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Do they have some kind of magic immunity? If so, it's not working too well;

    http://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/4034371.M40_crash_causing_delays_for_commuters/

    http://www.newsnorthwales.co.uk/news/123794/mum-pays-tribute-to-cymau-man-killed-in-car-crash.aspx

    MOD VOICE: As asked, let's leave it there.


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  • #241
    Cantona's Collars
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    RainyDay wrote: »
    What colour is the car you used to pass all these dark cyclists and bright joggers?

    Re-read my post,perhaps the line about me wanting to be more visible to motorists wasn't hi-viz enough for you to see,maybe you missed the suggestion that I cycle-you do know it's not unusual for people who cycle to actually drive cars too.No need to try to be smart about it.


  • #242
    RainyDay
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    zerks wrote: »
    Re-read my post,perhaps the line about me wanting to be more visible to motorists wasn't hi-viz enough for you to see,maybe you missed the suggestion that I cycle-you do know it's not unusual for people who cycle to actually drive cars too.No need to try to be smart about it.

    Thanks for the clarification. So what colour is your car so?


  • #243
    Cantona's Collars
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    RainyDay wrote: »
    Thanks for the clarification. So what colour is your car so?

    At the minute a mix of brown,grey and black:D.BTW ALL the lights on it work and are on during daytime driving too.
    Don't worry I also hate drivers who don't use their lights either.


  • #244
    RainyDay
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    zerks wrote: »
    At the minute a mix of brown,grey and black:D.BTW ALL the lights on it work and are on during daytime driving too.
    Don't worry I also hate drivers who don't use their lights either.

    So the fetish for hi-vis only applies to cyclists then (including those cyclists who have working lights and keep them on during the day) and not to cars?


  • #245
    simonw
    Registered Users Posts: 647 ✭✭✭simonw


    RainyDay wrote: »
    So the fetish for hi-vis only applies to cyclists then (including those cyclists who have working lights and keep them on during the day) and not to cars?

    It's not often a car comes from nowhere and then flies up the inside when I'm turning left at a junction. If you have lights and use them all the time, great, that's as it should be. But as has been mentioned in every second post in this thread, there are so many lads out there who are completely invisible at night or on rainy days because they wear dark clothes and have no lights, and obviously a reflective jacket is better than nothing.


  • #246
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,161 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    simonw wrote: »
    It's not often a car comes from nowhere and then flies up the inside when I'm turning left at a junction. If you have lights and use them all the time, great, that's as it should be. But as has been mentioned in every second post in this thread, there are so many lads out there who are completely invisible at night or on rainy days because they wear dark clothes and have no lights, and obviously a reflective jacket is better than nothing.

    On rural roads true but in cities and places where cars are meant to using their dipped lights, they are no better than any other type of clothing unless worn below the knee. I certainly would not be in favour of letting someone off from a fine for no lights because they thought hi vis was grand. No lights, then they should be off the road at night. If the promotion of hi vis means that people believe lights are not necessary or a legal requirement then it should be stopped, regardless of who makes the hi vis vests.


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  • #247
    tomasrojo
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    CramCycle wrote: »
    On rural roads true but in cities and places where cars are meant to using their dipped lights, they are no better than any other type of clothing unless worn below the knee.

    I did come across a father with his very small child wearing a hiviz jacket when I was driving through a darkish part of Churchtown one recent night. The jacket was exemplary in its conspicuity when my headlights shone on it, in a way I've never seen with an adult wearer. Because, as you say, these things are most effective lower down.

    (I am not making an argument for children out at night accompanied by adults on the footpath in quiet suburbs to wear hiviz jackets.)


  • #248
    Beasty
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    Came across a ped on an unlit country road last night carrying a light. As it was in their hand it was swinging backwards and forwards resulting in the individual being clearly identifiable from both directions.

    A short while later I was heading down a winding hill, headlights dipped as I was approaching a junction. Just before the junction I spotted another ped, - just maybe 2-3 metres ahead, walking on the same side of the road as I was driving and indeed in the same direction, so they would have had no judgement of the distance I was away. It actually gave me a bit of a scare realising how close I got (even at slow speed) without seeing them as they completely blended into the dark background


  • #249
    Cantona's Collars
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    RainyDay wrote: »
    So the fetish for hi-vis only applies to cyclists then (including those cyclists who have working lights and keep them on during the day) and not to cars?

    When I was young it was drummed into me,when on the road always be visible to motorists,I always had lights on the bike and wore reflectors.I lived in the country with zero street lighting,you were taking your life into your hands being on the roads especially in Winter without wearing something to make yourself more visible.

    It's not a fetish to keep yourself as safe as possible on the roads either walking,running or cycling-it's common sense.

    As per Beasty's last post,I had a similar incident before Xmas,driving to work on the edge of dark in bad fog when a woman walking appeared feet in front of me wearing clothes that the Rangers would be proud of as she blended in perfectly with the ditch,200 m on,I met another walker wearing one of the RSA vests,still hard to see with the fog but I spotted her from plenty of distance.
    I can't understand why some posters here seem to be railing against a measure to keep themselves safe while out on the nations roads.FFS,even Penneys sell reflective bands with LED's for about €3.


  • #250
    Macy0161
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    zerks wrote: »
    I can't understand why some posters here seem to be railing against a measure to keep themselves safe while out on the nations roads.FFS,even Penneys sell reflective bands with LED's for about €3.
    Can only speak for myself, but the hi-viz debate always seems to be about hi-viz vests. Up to and including talk of compulsion, or excusing motorists for hitting someone regardless of circumstances, if victims aren't wearing them. This is what I rail against.

    Reflective bands are different, and not what most of those arguing for hi-viz expect cyclist and pedestrians to wear. imo they're more effective (particularly for cyclists, and also more effective in urban areas where every car should be on dips), and I do use them. To be more visible, you don't have to have the building site vest on!

    I'd still stand by a torch/ lights being more important though!


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    tomasrojo
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    zerks wrote: »
    As per Beasty's last post,I had a similar incident before Xmas,driving to work on the edge of dark in bad fog when a woman walking appeared feet in front of me wearing clothes that the Rangers would be proud of as she blended in perfectly with the ditch,200 m on,I met another walker wearing one of the RSA vests,still hard to see with the fog but I spotted her from plenty of distance.
    I can't understand why some posters here seem to be railing against a measure to keep themselves safe while out on the nations roads.FFS,even Penneys sell reflective bands with LED's for about €3.
    Beasty's post is actually about how someone carrying a flashlight was very conspicuous, rather than about hiviz. Road safety campaigns used to mention these as an option. Now it's all hiviz. I'd argue that someone swinging a flashlight is more visible than someone wearing a more-or-less static hiviz vest.

    This thread, to a large extent, is about when emphasis on hiviz is good, and when is it undue and inappropriate. The latter is especially offensive when it elides into victim blaming, or making out that pedestrians or cyclists cannot be seen on roads with good sightlines during times of good visibility.


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