Driving other people's cars

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 9:30pm #1

Insured to drive other cars 3rd party but do you need to bring your own driving license with you every time you are driving somebody else's car to show to guards at checkpoint?

Atlantic Dawn · 18-12-2015 9:31pm

Your supposed to have your license with you at all times no matter what car.

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 9:33pm

I have the old type wallet license, that's hassle to bring it everywhere.

Atlantic Dawn · 18-12-2015 9:34pm

Well if stopped you will likely be asked to produce your license and proof of insurance at a garda station.

mgbgt1978 · 18-12-2015 9:38pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

I have the old type wallet license, that's hassle to bring it everywhere.

I'm sure you can manage to carry your Mobile and wallet......you could perhaps stick the licence into the Wallet. Just a thought.

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 9:39pm

Can you get the card type license for free if you have old wallet type?

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 9:40pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

I'm sure you can manage to carry your Mobile and wallet......you could perhaps stick the licence into the Wallet. Just a thought.

It does not fit in wallet.

mgbgt1978 · 18-12-2015 9:43pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

Can you get the card type license for free if you have old wallet type?

NO.

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 9:45pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

NO.

Can you pay for one then, would be really handy to store in wallet?

mgbgt1978 · 18-12-2015 9:49pm

Plenty of Threads on this topic here on Boards. Just do a search.

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 9:58pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Plenty of Threads on this topic here on Boards. Just do a search.

If someone could just answer this would be great! Nothing on the NDLS about it. They don't even have a contact number!.

Brian2011 · 18-12-2015 10:19pm

"If you don't have your license on you, you have 10 days to produce your license at the garda station. They aren't going to arrest you or seize your car just because you don't have your license"

Taken from another thread, is this correct?

mhackett102 · 18-12-2015 10:30pm

Save yourself some hassle and bring your licence around with you. The old paper ones would fit in where you keep your notes in your wallet.

If you want to get the card type one you will still have to go to an NDLS centre and pay €55 (presuming its a full licence you have).

shietpilot · 18-12-2015 10:36pm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

NO.

Don't you get a card licence for free if you sign up to be an organ donor?

Mint Sauce · 18-12-2015 10:37pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

If someone could just answer this would be great! Nothing on the NDLS about it. They don't even have a contact number!.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Your supposed to have your license with you at all times no matter what car.

What he said.

As for changing your Licence for the new credit card type, you can change it for free if any of your personal details hace changed. Bear in mind, the expiry will be the same as that of your old one.

JCTO · 18-12-2015 10:37pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

It does not fit in wallet.

Yes it does I carried mine in many wallets over the years.

Edit: To add I used to always buy a good sturdy leather wallet and found ones big enough to fit everything. Even the wallet I have on me now in the US for some reason I still have my Irish license in it with my card and cash and US license. No idea though why I havent removed it yet.

slimjimmc · 18-12-2015 10:40pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

"If you don't have your license on you, you have 10 days to produce your license at the garda station. They aren't going to arrest you or seize your car just because you don't have your license"

Taken from another thread, is this correct?

They have the power to seize the car if they reckon you are too young (or old?) to have a licence.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2011/si/460/made/en/print

Detention, removal and storage of vehicle

3. A member of the Garda Síochána is authorised in the case of a mechanically propelled vehicle referred to in section 41(1) of the Act of 1994 to detain, remove and store the vehicle and to make an arrangement with any other person for such detention, removal or storage.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1994/act/7/section/41/enacted/en/html#sec41

(a) the person driving the vehicle refuses or fails to produce there and then a driving licence then having effect and licensing him to drive the vehicle, when production of such a licence is demanded of him by a member of the Garda Síochána under section 40 (1) of the Principal Act and the member is of opinion that the person is by reason of his age ineligible to hold a driving licence licensing him to drive the vehicle,

Jesus. · 18-12-2015 11:14pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

Insured to drive other cars 3rd party but do you need to bring your own driving license with you every time you are driving somebody else's car to show to guards at checkpoint?

I've never brought my licence around with me. Damn thing doesn't fit into the wallet. You'll just be asked to produce it at a Cop shop within 10 days

Little CuChulainn · 19-12-2015 3:32pm

Jesus. wrote: »

I've never brought my licence around with me. Damn thing doesn't fit into the wallet. You'll just be asked to produce it at a Cop shop within 10 days

That's correct but you can still be prosecuted for not carrying it with you.

rachaelf750 · 19-12-2015 3:34pm

Would a photo of your licence saved on your mobile phone be ok as proof ?

PrettyBoy · 19-12-2015 5:37pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

That's correct but you can still be prosecuted for not carrying it with you.

No you can't? If you don't have it on you then you have 10 days to produce it at any garda station. Do you think they're going to give you points and a fine for not carrying a licence at all times?

PrettyBoy · 19-12-2015 5:40pm

rachaelf750 wrote: »

Would a photo of your licence saved on your mobile phone be ok as proof ?

FFS..what do you think? Just carry the licence with you at all times if you can and if you can't then just be able to produce it within 10 days.

How is this such a difficult concept for some people to grasp?

shanec1928 · 19-12-2015 5:40pm

mhackett102 wrote: »

Save yourself some hassle and bring your licence around with you. The old paper ones would fit in where you keep your notes in your wallet.

If you want to get the card type one you will still have to go to an NDLS centre and pay €55 (presuming its a full licence you have).

35 for a replacement

boardsuser1 · 19-12-2015 5:43pm

shietpilot wrote: »

Don't you get a card licence for free if you sign up to be an organ donor?

WTF???

shanec1928 · 19-12-2015 5:48pm

KC161 wrote: »

WTF???

It was a thing. Pretty sure they stopped that, big three on here about it at the time.

ShaunieVW · 19-12-2015 7:00pm

Always have it with you, I left mine in my own car during the summer and was out driving the OH's car when I was stopped, had to produce my licence at the Garda station.

The thing is my old one was well battered, as I can imagine is the case with the majority of the old paper style licences. The Garda said she wouldn't accept it as a valid licence meaning I would end up in court for not producing a valid licence and driving without a licence. Madness yes, after a good 15 minutes she accepted it on the promise that I would get a new one, which was only 35 euro. Well worth it as I have it with me at all times now.

ironclaw · 19-12-2015 7:47pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

FFS..what do you think? Just carry the licence with you at all times if you can and if you can't then just be able to produce it within 10 days.

How is this such a difficult concept for some people to grasp?

You can photocopy your license and laminate it. You can go a step further and ask for a Garda station to stamp it before you laminate it. I have one in each of the family cars. Stopped once or twice, never an issue.

Doesn't help the OP but is handy to know if you will be commonly driving a set of cars.

CiniO · 19-12-2015 8:06pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

No you can't? If you don't have it on you then you have 10 days to produce it at any garda station. Do you think they're going to give you points and a fine for not carrying a licence at all times?

It is an offence not to carry a licence with you, so I believe there is an option you can get prosecuted for it, even if you bring it to the station within 10 days.

CiniO · 19-12-2015 8:08pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

It does not fit in wallet.

Just get a bigger wallet then.
I can fit my paper licence, two registration certs (logbooks) and 2 insurance certs for 2 different cars into my wallet no problem. Doesn't make it any particularly thick.

Zurbaran · 19-12-2015 10:22pm

Brian2011 wrote: »

"If you don't have your license on you, you have 10 days to produce your license at the garda station. They aren't going to arrest you or seize your car just because you don't have your license"

Taken from another thread, is this correct?

That is 100% correct. Yeah they may have the right to do something more but they won't.

No idea why people are being so difficult about this non issue.

19-12-2015 11:36pm

CiniO wrote: »

Just get a bigger wallet then.
I can fit my paper licence, two registration certs (logbooks) and 2 insurance certs for 2 different cars into my wallet no problem. Doesn't make it any particularly thick.

Maybe he doesn't want a bigger wallet, I can't stand a bit wallet in my pocket and only have a fairly small and thin one. Big wallets are uncomfortable and awkward. That said I always carry my licence but only since I got a credit card sized one.

CiniO · 19-12-2015 11:52pm

Payton Flat Muffler wrote: »

Maybe he doesn't want a bigger wallet,

Maybe, but he will have to either obtain a smaller licence or get a bigger wallet.

I can't stand a bit wallet in my pocket and only have a fairly small and thin one.
Big wallets are uncomfortable and awkward. That said I always carry my licence but only since I got a credit card sized one.

I also always carried my licence, in the old days when I had card sized one, and recently when I have paper big one.

Zurbaran · 20-12-2015 12:33am

CiniO wrote: »

Maybe, but he will have to either obtain a smaller licence or get a bigger wallet.

He just has to be prepared to go to a Garda station of his choosing within ten days of being stopped. It's not rocket science this.

Jesus. · 20-12-2015 1:14am

ShaunieVW wrote: »

Always have it with you, I left mine in my own car during the summer and was out driving the OH's car when I was stopped, had to produce my licence at the Garda station. The thing is my old one was well battered, as I can imagine is the case with the majority of the old paper style licences. The Garda said she wouldn't accept it as a valid licence meaning I would end up in court for not producing a valid licence and driving without a licence. Madness yes, after a good 15 minutes she accepted it on the promise that I would get a new one, which was only 35 euro. Well worth it as I have it with me at all times now.

???

The rest of your post advocates why you shouldn't!

Jesus. · 20-12-2015 1:16am

CiniO wrote: »

Just get a bigger wallet then.I can fit my paper licence, two registration certs (logbooks) and 2 insurance certs for 2 different cars into my wallet no problem. Doesn't make it any particularly thick.

But it might make you particularly thick

Why the hell do you carry all that sh1t stuffed in your wallet?

CiniO · 20-12-2015 2:01am

Jesus. wrote: »

But it might make you particularly thick

Why the hell do you carry all that sh1t stuffed in your wallet?

Because it's a legal requirement to carry car's documents when driving abroad.

20-12-2015 7:27am

Brian2011 wrote: »

It does not fit in wallet.

A friend had the same problem, the license wouldnt fit in the wallet ,
So he folded it in half, problem sorted

worded · 20-12-2015 7:46am

9935452 wrote: »

A friend had the same problem, the license wouldnt fit in the wallet ,
So he folded it in half, problem sorted

You make it sound so easy

I bet you have an answer for everything

Fold your paper licence 8 times is my advice.

If its the plastic one, just two folds, like the amount of pints that was advised to drink if driving ..... "Two will do"

Just joking :-)

Jesus. · 20-12-2015 1:57pm

CiniO wrote: »

Because it's a legal requirement to carry car's documents when driving abroad.

Fair enough Cinio. But why squash all that stuff into your wallet? I can only imagine what it looks like.

Why don't you put it in the Glovebox?

CiniO · 20-12-2015 2:12pm

Jesus. wrote: »

Fair enough Cinio. But why squash all that stuff into your wallet? I can only imagine what it looks like.

It doesn't look too bad.
Here's a licence and logbook and insurance cert under it.

With 2 sets of logbooks and insurance certs it starts getting bit trickier.

Why don't you put it in the Glovebox?

Because I don't think it's a good idea to keep documents in the vehicle.
If car is stolen with logbook, thief could pretend he bought vehicle from me, and it would be my word against his.
Not even mentioning insurance implications.

worded · 20-12-2015 2:31pm

You may only be allowed to drive other cars <\= 2 litre

Check with your ins co. depends on your policy

Jesus. · 20-12-2015 2:34pm

Thanks for posting up that picture Cinio. It actually looks quite good!

Little CuChulainn · 20-12-2015 3:31pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

No you can't? If you don't have it on you then you have 10 days to produce it at any garda station. Do you think they're going to give you points and a fine for not carrying a licence at all times?

It is an offence not to produce it to the Garda when demanded. And yes, people do get prosecuted for it quite regularly. You can produce the licence in 10 days but that doesn't clear you from not having it with you at the time. It's up to the Garda whether to prosecute you for it.

Jesus. · 20-12-2015 3:57pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

No you can't? If you don't have it on you then you have 10 days to produce it at any garda station. Do you think they're going to give you points and a fine for not carrying a licence at all times?

No they won't. I've never once heard of such an situation

worded · 20-12-2015 4:12pm

Producer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCPQZ1Le6dg

PrettyBoy · 20-12-2015 6:11pm

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It is an offence not to produce it to the Garda when demanded. And yes, people do get prosecuted for it quite regularly.

Are you saying that people regularly get points and/or fined for not carrying a licence with them at all times? I find that hard to believe - people don't carry their licence, insurance cert, logbooks, etc with them at all times and that's why you are given 10 days to produce them at a station. You're telling me you personally know of instances where people have produced within the 10 days and everything was in order yet they were prosecuted anyway?

Little CuChulainn · 20-12-2015 6:17pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Are you saying that people regularly get points and/or fined for not carrying a licence with them at all times? I find that hard to believe - people don't carry their licence, insurance cert, logbooks, etc with them at all times and that's why you are given 10 days to produce them at a station. You're telling me you personally know of instances where people have produced within the 10 days and everything was in order yet they were prosecuted anyway?

Yes. It usually doesn't happen unless you've managed to piss off the Garda. It is an offence not to carry your licence when driving. It is not an offence not to carry your insurance cert or logbook. If you ever go to court you will notice people tend to have three driving licence offences against them. No licence, failing to produce a licence, failing to produce a licence in 10 days. Three separate offences.

coylemj · 20-12-2015 6:33pm

When do the Gardai ask to see your licence? I've been stopped at dozens of checkpoints over the years, all they do is look at the paperwork on the windscreen and wave me on.

Excluding the aftermath of a traffic accident, when was the last time a Garda asked to see your driving licence? I have never been asked to produce it in over 40 years of driving. The only time I need the licence is when renting a car, driving around Ireland nobody has ever asked to see it.

PrettyBoy · 20-12-2015 6:39pm

coylemj wrote: »

When do the Gardai ask to see your licence? I've been stopped at dozens of checkpoints over the years, all they do is look at the paperwork on the windscreen and wave me on.

Excluding the aftermath of a traffic accident, when was the last time a Garda asked to see your driving licence? I have never been asked to produce it in over 40 years of driving. The only time I need the licence is when renting a car, driving around Ireland nobody has ever asked to see it.

Been driving for 8 years and have been asked to produce my licence on the spot several times (too many to count tbh). Have you never been pulled over by the guards?

20-12-2015 7:26pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Been driving for 8 years and have been asked to produce my licence on the spot several times (too many to count tbh). Have you never been pulled over by the guards?

Been driving for 15 years and asked to produce my license on the spot twice ever.
Once when i was rear ended and the other time when i was stopped by an unmarked car whilst driving my quad bike on the road,

jca · 20-12-2015 7:37pm

PrettyBoy wrote: »

Been driving for 8 years and have been asked to produce my licence on the spot several times (too many to count tbh). Have you never been pulled over by the guards?

So have I. I drive several vehicles so I have it in the wallet. I might get a replacement plastic one as my paper one isn't due to expire until 2022.

Driving other people's cars

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