Covid-19 likely to be man made

Ipso · 14-08-2020 5:35pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Just looks to me like the world is starting to shape up to almost like the book of revelation told us about thousands of years ago.

And there it is.

King Mob · 14-08-2020 5:49pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Just looks to me like the world is starting to shape up to almost like the book of revelation told us about thousands of years ago.

Well for one, the bible didn't predict anything. There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies.

Secondly, you cats have been claiming this for as long as the book of Relevations has been a thing.
We've been in the "end times" for a very long time. And it's always just around the corner.

But again, why do you have to be so evasive and dishonest to promote your conspiracy theory?
If it's true and not just fantasy, wouldn't that mean you don't have to make stuff up and lie?

Dohnjoe · 14-08-2020 6:01pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

Can't you see that this is just the start.

The start of what?

There's a pandemic, we're taking common sense steps to stop it. You seem to be suggesting something else is happening, what is that something else exactly?

Please be specific.

Edit: just read the book of revelations reference, indeed, there we have it

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-08-2020 9:38pm

Augeo wrote: »

Why does general waste not suffice? I believe it's incinerated.

You think all "general waste" is incinerated?

NaFirinne · 20-08-2020 4:08am

King Mob wrote: »

Well for one, the bible didn't predict anything. There's no such thing as supernatural prophesies.

Secondly, you cats have been claiming this for as long as the book of Relevations has been a thing.
We've been in the "end times" for a very long time. And it's always just around the corner.

But again, why do you have to be so evasive and dishonest to promote your conspiracy theory?
If it's true and not just fantasy, wouldn't that mean you don't have to make stuff up and lie?

It's the excuse countries needed to implement dicatorship like controls around the planet.

And they are not just designed to combat covid19. They are designed to enslave their populations.

Look at this law being implemented in Australia for example.

Authorities in Australia have given themselves the power to have police remove children from the custody of their parents in order to ensure compliance with coronavirus rules.

Schedule 2 of the COVID-19 Emergency Response Act 2020 amends the Emergency Response Act 2004 to create new powers during “declared emergencies.”
Section 25 of the act states the following;
—Removal of children
(1) Without derogating from section 25, an authorised officer may, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with any direction under that section, remove a child from any premises, place, vehicle or vessel to a place of residence of the child or to a hospital or quarantine facility, as the authorised officer thinks fit (and may, in doing so, use such force as is reasonably necessary).
A child is defined as anyone under the age of 18.

King Mob · 20-08-2020 6:18am

NaFirinne wrote: »

It's the excuse countries needed to implement dicatorship like controls around the planet.

Sure. Like when exactly that was claimed in all the previous Pandemics, natural disasters and other noteworthy events.

Your claim isn't different this time.

NaFirinne wrote: »

And they are not just designed to combat covid19. They are designed to enslave their populations.

Lol. Why are you claiming such a ridiculous thing? You're destroying any crediblity you might have had.
This hyperbolic nonsense coupled with your stated belief in the book of revelations is making you very unhinged.

theballz · 23-08-2020 11:58am

This thread is speaks volumes of society today.

People resorting to making reference to the bible now.

Stay off social media, Wikipedia and follow the guidelines. Whether you believe it to be true or not.

Psychlops · 23-08-2020 8:50pm

I believe its man made.

Dohnjoe · 23-08-2020 9:28pm

Psychlops wrote: »

I believe its man made.

Okay, so why do you think most the world's experts are wrong and what really happened according to you?

MOH · 24-08-2020 10:24am

NaFirinne wrote: »

Authorities in Australia have given themselves the power to have police remove children from the custody of their parents in order to ensure compliance with coronavirus rules.

That's the one country where any misuse of that power is going to get particular scrutiny.

4068ac1elhodqr · 12-09-2020 11:17pm

This lady (Dr. Li-Meng Yan) with tricky accent to follow along to, very recently interviewed for 10mins, on a prime daytime tv show in the uk claims at 3:40 claims this wuflu is man-made, repeats claim (a lab based origin) at 4:45. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lq3_rsBJ9w

The 'loose wimin show' is yer typical non-stop chatty-chatty show of wimins type issues and celeb type news, so clearly don't ever watch it. But the interview is starting to get picked up by various national level press (mostly tabloid however), outlets. https://www.itv.com/loosewomen/articles/virologist-dr-li-meng-yan-coronavirus-cover-up-claims

She's gonna publish the genome sequence in a few days, so she says, which wil prove her claims so order in the popcorn.

Li-Meng Yan or Limeng Yan, is a Chinese virologist and whistleblower who says that the Chinese government {and the World Health Organization} knew about person-to-person transmission of COVID-19 much earlier than reported. She was one of the first experts asked to examine a cluster of cases emerging in Wuhan last year.

King Mob · 13-09-2020 2:21am

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

The 'loose wimin show' is yer typical non-stop chatty-chatty show of wimins type issues and celeb type news, so clearly don't ever watch it. But the interview is starting to get picked up by various national level press (mostly tabloid however), outlets. https://www.itv.com/loosewomen/articles/virologist-dr-li-meng-yan-coronavirus-cover-up-claims

And as we all know, day time chat shows are just a rigourous with their peer review as any other scientific journal.

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-09-2020 4:05am

King Mob wrote: »

And as we all know, day time chat shows are just a rigourous with their peer review as any other scientific journal.

As we know, any personal testimony ever in the history of litigation, is/was/should always be regarded as 'a load of aul baloney'.

Particularly from a Chinese 'virologist' and whistleblower.

Sure what would she know.

Perhaps we'll find out, or perhaps we won't in the coming days, then an evaluation can be made. Of course, 'some with bias have already made their minds up' before the lady has been given the chance to supply her evidence as she said she would shortly (days).

bobbyy gee · 13-09-2020 4:10am

Bgobs
https://sciencefeedback.co/claimreview/claim-by-nobel-laureate-luc-montagnier-that-the-novel-coronavirus-is-man-made-and-contains-genetic-material-from-hiv-is-inaccurate/

King Mob · 13-09-2020 4:13am

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

As we know, any personal testimony ever in the history of litigation, is/was/should always be regarded as 'a load of aul baloney'.

Personal testimony doesn't have a ton of weight by itself in science.
Most scientists publish findings in respected journals where they can be reviewed and verified.
Most whistleblowers go to actual media outlets to do the same thing.

Daytime chat shows aren't going to subject claims to the same level of scrutiny because they are more concerned with sensationalism and attention grabbing claims more than accuracy.

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

Particularly from a Chinese 'virologist' and whistleblower.

Sure what would she know.

But what about all the other experts and virologists who say that the virus isn't man made?
Sure what would they know?

Or are you claiming their all in on your conspiracy?

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

Perhaps we'll find out, or perhaps we won't in the coming days, then an evaluation can be made. Of course, 'some with bias have already made their minds up' before the lady has been given the chance to supply her evidence as she said she would shortly (days).

No.
This will most likely be forgotten and just become background noise.
When she doesn't present any actual good evidence, you will claim it's due to the conspiracy.
It's pretty convenient feature of conspiracy theories.

80j2lc5y7u6qs9 · 13-09-2020 6:13pm

Emme wrote: »

If I can't walk into a shop without a mask for fear of infecting anybody why can I take my mask off and put it into an ordinary bin? If I exhale Covid-19 particles into the inside of the mask do they suddenly stop being virulent once I take off the mask?

Also people are not being instructed in the correct way to put on and dispose of a surgical mask. Anyone who works with patients in a hospital is taught this and used masks in a hospital setting are considered to be clinical waste. Clinical waste in hospitals and laboratories has to go into special biohazard bins. That includes used wound dressings, swabs from patients and in laboratories any waste deemed hazardous.

I would have thought that used facemasks and gloves worn to prevent Covid-19 were hazardous waste. If they are put into ordinary bins they might eventually get incinerated but not straight away. I put my used masks into a plastic bag which I tie shut (like a doggie poo bag) and burn them when I get home. Yes, burning-plastic-bad-make-Greta-cry, but which is more hazardous, burnt plastic fumes or hazardous waste from a virus we are told is deadly enough to justify shutting down the global economy for months.

There are used facemasks thrown indiscriminately everywhere. It is difficult not to walk on one as you make you way (masked of course) about your business in any village, town or city. If the pandemic is as bad as we are being told this is spreading infection and will ensure lockdowns don't end any time soon.

they wouldn't follow it anyway,people going around with masks in their back pocket then put them on going into a shop

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-09-2020 10:22pm

King Mob wrote: »

When* she doesn't present any actual good evidence, you will claim it's due to the conspiracy.

This rather worringly, simply re-demonstrates your approach to everything e.g. 100% non-stop and constant closed-mind denial.
*I.e. (you) are 'assuming the outcome' of a future, (i.e. a 'yet to occur' event).

Why use the term 'when', when 'if' is more appropriate?
That in itself is a conspiracy, that you alone have now created.

Surely any intelligent and reasonable person on the other hand, would say, 'well let's wait and see what she produces' (after telling 1.3 million loose wimin viewers, across 10mins of interview time, that evidence would be produced in a few days time).

Either i) she produces the goods, or ii) she doesn't.
A very simple black or white event.
There is no real conspiracy to be had outside of that (in regards to Dr. Li-Meng).

Xtrail14 · 13-09-2020 10:26pm

The Chinese with their Chinese food and virus.

screamer · 13-09-2020 10:46pm

At this stage with all the secrecy around the covid19 virus from China, anything is possible. The genomes are very important in terms of vaccine development but afaik China have refused to release the original genomes they have sequenced.

4068ac1elhodqr · 13-09-2020 10:53pm

screamer wrote: »

At this stage with all the secrecy around the covid19 virus from China, anything is possible. The genomes are very important in terms of vaccine development but afaik China have refused to release the original genomes they have sequenced.

Good point, (if, not when) Dr. Li-Meng does have the genome sequence, and it's a match for the initial Wuhan strain of COVID, things could get interesting.

Guessing this would essentially be a simple data file, easy to distribute and store (without error), containing specific details that folks in white coats can verify if they are supplied with it.

Anyway guess time will tell if she does have some sort of press conference, release or statement early next week.

King Mob · 13-09-2020 11:49pm

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

This rather worringly, simply re-demonstrates your approach to everything e.g. 100% non-stop and constant closed-mind denial.
*I.e. (you) are 'assuming the outcome' of a future, (i.e. a 'yet to occur' event).

Why use the term 'when', when 'if' is more appropriate?
That in itself is a conspiracy, that you alone have now created.

Surely any intelligent and reasonable person on the other hand, would say, 'well let's wait and see what she produces' (after telling 1.3 million loose wimin viewers, across 10mins of interview time, that evidence would be produced in a few days time).

Either i) she produces the goods, or ii) she doesn't.
A very simple black or white event.
There is no real conspiracy to be had outside of that (in regards to Dr. Li-Meng).

Because we've seen these conspiracy claims before.
Also if she had real evidence she'd be publishing it in journals and wouldn't be going on chat shows and the like first. That's not how scientific claims are made.
It's how sensational bull**** claims are made though.

Also not sure why you're spelling it "wimin" it's very odd.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 12:31am

King Mob wrote: »

Because we've seen these conspiracy claims before..

Where exactly before, has a Chinese Virologist, on a live national tv daytime show, claimed they have and will supply the covid genome sequence?
It's a fairly specific claim, perhaps explaining the ITV prime-time booking.

All you are doing here (and perhaps for 10yrs now), is assuming because you don't like some claim, some time before, by someone else, about something or other else.... that everything in the future (i.e. not yet presented) 'will' thus be a conspiracy by default and prejudice.

I.e. Setting precedence and bias, without any consideration whatsoever.

This is very strange and bizzare behaviour indeed, her evidence has not yet been presented.
How can it be dismissed prior to this, as a CT (pre-event).

Either the Dr will present something or she won't, it really can't get any more simple than that.
Sure if we don't hear back from her next week, we can then, (at that future point in time) assume she enjoyed her 10mins of fame, and life goes on.

King Mob · 14-09-2020 12:37am

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

Where exactly before, has a Chinese Virologist, on a live national tv daytime show, claimed they have and will supply the covid genome sequence?
It's a fairly specific claim, perhaps explaining the ITV prime-time booking.

We've seen plenty of people with sensational conspiracy claims about a scientific topic bypassing standards and peer review and going to sensationalist media instead.

And again we've had virologists publish papers in journals showing that the virus is not man made using the genetics of the virus.
Why are you discounting those experts for this one solitary expert?
Are those experts in on it?

You also keep highlighting that this virologist is Chinese. Does this somehow give her a special insight?

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 12:44am

King Mob wrote: »

We've seen plenty of people with sensational conspiracy claims about a scientific topic bypassing standards and peer review and going to sensationalist media instead.

So some people, some where else about something so and so.

But no Chinese Virologist on a national daytime primetime tv show, actually make the very specific claim of having the original lab based covid genome sequence at hand.

Why won't you wait a few days and see what the lady has to say for herself?
Sounds like you've made up your mind (again) prior to her date of disclosure.

It's a very, very repetitive pattern this. A conspiracy to assume a future event's result, that you have now presented us today.

I'm looking for the exact lotto numbers for Friday, perhaps you have them handy, what with all this 'pre-event result forecasting capability'?

King Mob · 14-09-2020 12:53am

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

So some people, some where else about something so and so.

Yes, but pretty much the same in every way that matters.
An expert presenting a conspiratorial claim to an unquestioning media source who cares more about sensationalism rather than facts so the expert can bypass scrutiny and standards.

The specifics of the claims don't really matter when the behaviour is the same.

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

It's a very, very repetitive pattern this.

Yes. Because cranks keep making claims like this in the same way and conspiracy theorists like yourself keep falling for it.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 3:58am

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. Because cranks keep making claims like this in the same way and conspiracy theorists like yourself keep falling for it.

(Another) falsehood. If you read^ above it clearly implies the best and sane option would be to 'withhold any judgement', until the lady presents her evidence (as she promised) in the coming days, or if she does not. It can go either way. It would certainly not be the 1st case of a Chinese Virologist breaking exclusive news and revelations in regards to covid.

The crazy thing would be to draw a conclusion in the meantime, unless you are some sort of psychic or something? It's a strange thing to fall for, this constant relentless state of denail, and wear it as a strange badge honour.

Perhaps the only true crank here, appears to be the chap with 8,000posts trying to close down each and every theory, for the last 10yrs, it's rather bizzare indeed, to say the least.

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:29am

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

(Another) falsehood. If you read^ above it clearly implies the best and sane option would be to 'withhold any judgement', until the lady presents her evidence (as she promised) in the coming days, or if she does not. It can go either way. It would certainly not be the 1st case of a Chinese Virologist breaking exclusive news and revelations in regards to covid.

But again, this isn't how science discoveries are announced and published.
The only time people do it this way is when they are trying to avoid scrutiny and peer review because their claims are crap.

At the same time, we have had expert who did publish their findings in the correct way. And their conclusion was that it wasn't man made.

All indications are that this isn't going to be the big reveal conspiracy theorists are hoping for. It never is.

But hey we should hear out every traveling medicine man. Maybe this time his snake oil is the real deal.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 3:58pm

King Mob wrote: »

But again, this isn't how science discoveries are announced and published.
The only time people do it this way is when they are trying to avoid s....

...Trying to avoid Chinese authorities, by fleeing to another country and is currently hiding in a secret location in the US.

It's not as if other outspoken Chinese Virologists have had accidents or have disappeared is it?

Virologist Dr Li Meng-Yan was part of a team choosen to investigate the early outbreak of a modified version of CC45 and ZXC41.

Perhaps this is why why she was invited on a prime time tv show for 1.5m viewers for 10mins, and the reason why a conspiracy theorist such as KMob wasn't, with his own persistant theory, that 'there simply are no theories'. Ever.

Dr Li added,

“The genome sequence is like a human fingerprint, so based on this you can recognise, identify these things. So, I used the evidence that exists in the genome sequence of SARS-CoV-2 to tell people why this has come from China and why they are the only ones to make it.”

Li-Meng also revealed that there are two reports which support her claim and said that one of them will be published in “several days”, which will reveal all the scientific evidence to prove that the virus is man-made.

So either she will produce the goods, or she or won't.

Furthermore, she had added that her own institute, the School of Public Health in University of Hong Kong, which was also affiliated with the World Health Organization (WHO), had asked her to stay silent about it.

https://theprint.in/world/covid-virus-developed-in-wuhan-lab-highly-mutant-hong-kong-virologist-says-she-has-evidence/502237/
https://www.itv.com/loosewomen/articles/virologist-dr-li-meng-yan-coronavirus-cover-up-claims
https://www.foxnews.com/world/chinese-virologist-coronavirus-cover-up-flee-hong-kong-whistleblower
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8631159/Coronavirus-scientist-reveals-fled-home-family-tell-world-truth.html
https://gulfnews.com/world/covid-19-was-made-in-wuhan-lab-claims-chinese-virologist-1.1600085334025
https://www.techtimes.com/articles/252484/20200911/chinese-whistleblower-dr-li-meng-yan-to-release-scientific-proof-that-coronavirus-came-from-wuhan-lab-not-at-a-wet-market.htm

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:02pm

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

...Trying to avoid Chinese authorities, by fleeing to another country and is currently hiding in a secret location in the US.

Which also conveniently lets her bypass peer review and scrutiny.

But why would we doubt someone promoting a conspiracy theory? They never lie or make stuff up or believe crazy ****.

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 4:05pm

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

Virologist Dr Li Meng-Yan was part of a team choosen to investigate the early outbreak of a modified version of CC45 and ZXC41.

You've found a scientist who possibly supports the notion that the virus is man-made (which theoretically it could be). However the majority of scientists believe it is natural.

Therefore scientific consensus is that it's natural.

enno99 · 14-09-2020 4:07pm

The Lancet has made one of the biggest retractions in modern history. How could this happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen

At its best, peer review is a slow and careful evaluation of new research by appropriate experts. It involves multiple rounds of revision that removes errors, strengthens analyses, and noticeably improves manuscripts.

At its worst, it is merely window dressing that gives the unwarranted appearance of authority, a cursory process which confers no real value, enforces orthodoxy, and overlooks both obvious analytical problems and outright fraud entirely.

So calling for peer review is just a way to dismiss it out of hand

Bearing in mind saying that lots of other experts disagree would they even accept the paper in this case

It would call into question their expertise

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 4:12pm

enno99 wrote: »

So calling for peer review is just a way to dismiss it out of hand

Peer review is an essential part of evaluating academic work

Typically when a scientist goes against scientific consensus, and they do so without peer review - then we have to be more skeptical about their claim

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:14pm

enno99 wrote: »

The Lancet has made one of the biggest retractions in modern history. How could this happen?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jun/05/lancet-had-to-do-one-of-the-biggest-retractions-in-modern-history-how-could-this-happen

So calling for peer review is just a way to dismiss it out of hand

Bearing in mind saying that lots of other experts disagree would they even accept the paper in this case

It would call into question their expertise

Ah ok.
So peer review doesn't work.
That's also convenient for conspiracy cranks.

So guys, I've got this bridge I need to sell...

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 4:16pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You've found a scientist who possibly supports the notion that the virus is man-made (which theoretically it could be). However the majority of scientists believe it is natural.

You've also ignored the fact this (Chinese Virologist) Dr Li Meng-Yan was hand selected to be part of a team choosen to investigate the early outbreak of a modified version of CC45 and ZXC41 at WuhanL4 (for what is now covid19). And is currently on the run from the Chinese.

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 4:21pm

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

You've also ignored the fact

I addressed it directly. Most kids in secondary school understand the principle. I've never seen confusion over it anywhere but conspiracy theory forums

It's pretty simple, if one scientist claims X, and one hundred scientists claim Y - then Y is the scientific consensus.

enno99 · 14-09-2020 4:23pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Peer review is an essential part of evaluating academic work

Typically when a scientist goes against scientific consensus, and they do so without peer review - then we have to be more skeptical about their claim

It has to be accepted for peer review before that can happen

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 4:26pm

enno99 wrote: »

It has to be accepted for peer review before that can happen

Treat information with skepticism

Again if one scientist is claiming X, and 100 are claiming Y.

And X is a potentially exciting conspiracy theory. I don't need to tell you what type of people argue for X under those circumstances.

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:27pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I addressed it directly. Most kids in secondary school understand the principle. I've never seen confusion over it anywhere but conspiracy theory forums

It's pretty simple, if one scientist claims X, and one hundred scientists claim Y - then Y is the scientific consensus.

Well those one hundred scientists are obviously part of a giant unprovable, nonsensical conspiracy.

And of course it doesn't matter that the one scientist has a direct profit motive for taking the opposite opinion. They're a scientist. They're incorruptable.

enno99 · 14-09-2020 4:30pm

King Mob wrote: »

Ah ok.
So peer review doesn't work.
That's also convenient for conspiracy cranks.

So guys, I've got this bridge I need to sell...[/QUOTE

loads of evidence where it failed miserably

This new study may explain why peer review in science often fails

Academics vet the work of their peers — for free, in their spare time — in a process that is supposed to weed out junk science before it’s published. But researchers say the task is thankless, that it slows down the publication process. To make matters worse, this cornerstone of the scientific method has surprisingly little evidence for its effectiveness, and many mysteries about how it works.

In an effort to better understand peer review, researchers have been trying to study the process itself. And one such new study may help explain why peer review fails, and why it may not ensure quality in science. Its main finding is that a small minority of researchers are shouldering most of the burden of peer review.

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/11/23/13713324/why-peer-review-in-science-often-fails

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:36pm

enno99 wrote: »

loads of evidence where it failed miserably

Ok gotcha.
Peer review doesn't work. So whatever random scientists claim must always be true cause they're scientists and can't possibly be wrong.

Unless they don't support a conspiracy theory, at which point they're part of a conspiracy.

So the only scientists we can trust are the mavericks who are promoting conspiracy claims.

Like Dr. Judy Wood?

Dohnjoe · 14-09-2020 4:37pm

enno99 wrote: »

loads of evidence where it failed miserably

Peer review as a process works pretty well. You are just attacking it because it threatens to type of thinking you use to justify conspiracy theories and unsupported claims

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:44pm

enno99 wrote: »

This new study may explain why peer review in science often fails

https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/11/23/13713324/why-peer-review-in-science-often-fails

This is also a pretty perfect example of how conspiracy theorists will drown out and abuse legitimate concerns and issues.

Some people believe that there are undue influences in scientific research, particularly in medicine, and back that up with research and informed opinion.

Conspiracy theorists take this to mean that it's all a giant satanic conspiracy lead by Bill Gates to implant us with microchips as part of a plot to depopulate the world.

enno99 · 14-09-2020 4:48pm

King Mob wrote: »

Well those one hundred scientists are obviously part of a giant unprovable, nonsensical conspiracy.

And of course it doesn't matter that the one scientist has a direct profit motive for taking the opposite opinion. They're a scientist. They're incorruptable.

Has to be a safer way to make a few bucks

Barging into your home, threatening your family, or making you disappear: Here's what China does to people who speak out against them

The Chinese Communist Party has long sought to suppress ideas that could undermine the sweeping authority it has over its 1.4 billion citizens — and the state can go to extreme lengths to maintain its grip.

In just the past few years, the government has attempted to muzzle critics by making them disappear without a trace, ordering people to physically barge into their houses, or locking up those close to critics as a kind of blackmail.

Even leaving China isn't always enough. The state has continued to clamp down on dissent by harassing and threatening family members who remain in the country.

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-china-deals-with-dissent-threats-family-arrests-2018-8?op=1&r=US&IR=T

King Mob · 14-09-2020 4:52pm

enno99 wrote: »

Has to be a safer way to make a few bucks

Barging into your home, threatening your family, or making you disappear: Here's what China does to people who speak out against them

You keep posting links that don't really have much to do with your bizarre conspiracy beliefs.

Are you just googling them and posting the first one that pops up for the search term?

enno99 · 14-09-2020 5:05pm

King Mob wrote: »

You keep posting links that don't really have much to do with your bizarre conspiracy beliefs.

Are you just googling them and posting the first one that pops up for the search term?

No they are to point out your silly claim that profit was a motive

King Mob · 14-09-2020 5:26pm

enno99 wrote: »

No they are to point out your silly claim that profit was a motive

Ah gotcha.
Misrepresenting again. Cool.

enno99 · 14-09-2020 7:56pm

https://twitter.com/LiMengYAN119?s=21

the Chinese doctors twitter account

https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X19xByXZglR

Her paper is here

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-09-2020 8:53pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's pretty simple, if one scientist claims X, and one hundred scientists claim Y - then Y is the scientific consensus.

It's pretty simple to compute, and one that even kids in secondary school can understand.

The Dr. (Chinese Virologist) was hand-picked to investigate the early outbreak of a modified version of CC45 and ZXC41, evolving to COVID19 (at) WuhanL4 (where she had direct access).

Her direct access and specific knowledge of something she worked directly upon, would superseed e.g. 1,000 random folks in white coats down in Sao Paulo, who likely only heard about this, after Chinese authorities drip-feeded bits of information they wanted released, in early 2020.

Quality, not quantity.

Dohnjoe · 15-09-2020 1:01am

Odin Sticky Scapula wrote: »

It's pretty simple to compute

You then put one scientist ahead of the consensus. You clearly don't have any notion what scientific consensus is.

splashuum · 16-09-2020 9:44am

Dr. Yan has since had to flee to the US in fear of the CCP.
The incredibly detailed report can be found here :https://www.scribd.com/document/475993573/

It is now fair to say that its a conspiracy theory to believe this virus was entirely natural.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/5903613/chinese-defector-virologist-publishes-explosive-proof-coronavirus-man-made/

https://www.itv.com/loosewomen/articles/virologist-dr-li-meng-yan-coronavirus-cover-up-claims

Covid-19 likely to be man made

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