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Why do so many people want to devoid life of a spiritual meaning

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    #32
    Agricola
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    Mass is at 10am on Sunday in my parish. Just an ungodly hour to be out on a Sunday when you could be having a lie in. More than Dawkins or church scandals, that was the clinger that put me off religion I have to say.


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    #33
    AlphabetCards
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    Candie wrote: »
    I'm not particularly anti-religion or anti-theist, but that is a nonsense statement. There is no religion of science.

    Religion requires faith. Science requires evidence.

    Yes, science requires evidence - but a lot of what gets pumped out currently that could be filed as 'sustainable', 'green' or 'environmentally friendly' can be construed as science, and therefore evidence-based and peer reviewed - in reality, a lot of it is green-washed misinformation that exists to push a product or service ahead of the pack in terms of visibility.

    We trust scientists every day, but many have let us down in the past - they did so while quoting 'science' at us, and upending their proverbial tables once the heretic questioned the 'science', as if the word is sacred.

    I say this as a scientist myself, I know too many who make huge claims to further their personal ambitions.


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    #34
    Woke Hogan
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    Agricola wrote: »
    Mass is at 10am on Sunday in my parish. Just an ungodly hour to be out on a Sunday when you could be having a lie in. More than Dawkins or church scandals, that was the clinger that put me off religion I have to say.

    A lie in? If I was ever still in bed at 10am I’d have to be in a coma!


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    #35
    Agricola
    Registered Users Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Woke Hogan wrote: »
    A lie in? If I was ever still in bed at 10am I’d have to be in a coma!

    You sir are the real hero of this piece.


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    Harry Palmr
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    The OP really means to address the issue of the belief IN science Shirley?

    If he/she has been reading some of the comments in the Covid 19 forum then they could well have point!

    A three month control group of bad understanding of science and statistics


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    #37
    Skyfloater
    Registered Users Posts: 399 ✭✭Skyfloater


    Agricola wrote: »
    You sir are the real hero of this piece.

    Woke by name, woke by nature.


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    #38
    LuasSimon
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    the beer revolu wrote: »
    That's all lovely for you and your family.
    What's your point, though? That it should be forced on all of us? I'm sure that's not the point you are making but I have no idea what your point is.

    I’m not forcing it on anyone , the same way people giving out and giving out and giving out about religion shouldn’t force me to stop going . Let people attend whatever they want to attend .

    I’ve no interest in soccer but I don’t around giving out about those that do go , best of luck to them


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    #39
    [Deleted User]
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    I'm not in the least bit religious, but I am interested (somewhat) in the spiritual. They're not automatically the same thing.


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    #40
    endacl
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    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    I’m smart enough to know devoid isn’t a verb.


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    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not in the least bit religious, but I am interested (somewhat) in the spiritual. They're not automatically the same thing.

    What does being "interested in the spiritual" actually mean?
    I understand that some people can get benefit from ritual and being part of a group/community of like minded people, but where/what is the spiritual?

    The word spiritual to me can be replaced with the word magic. When someone says they are interested in this I think; what magic is he talking about, as nobody has actually seen any ...ever.


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    4068ac1elhodqr
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    In its most simple terms who would you most rather get stuck on a desert island with?:

    2 dozen folks of various Christian failths, maybe a few Buddists, and couple Hindus too among them, all with unquantified positve outlooks, that somehow things will work out fine.
    2 dozen athiests, perhaps with the risk of increased self-focus, anger at their clearly hopeless situation, or even hedonistic attitudes, and non-guided views of morality or fairness.


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    #43
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,745 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The world is set up in a way to tell us that only consumption and material objects matter, society has us addicted to these things, at the cost of the world itself, which we are eating up.
    Contention comes from inside, not from buying things. I've been doing a lot of evaluation lately on my own self, and where I am, mindfulness and some of the old Buddhist philosophies really ring true to me now and I feel a lot better for it. Disconnect from your ego and the constant thoughts and nonsense going through your head as much as you can, the real you is beyond that.


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    #44
    chrissb8
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    Because I don't have insecurities that necessitate believing some "Other" energy/being. You hear it all the time....

    "I'M fEeLiNg a BiT OoF toDaY....OH YAH mErCURY iS in GaToRaDe"

    "i need to....ReAlIgN My cHaKraz"

    etc.

    Spiritualism is an excuse to put your behaviour, your fate and therefore your destiny in something else's hands. I also get a sense of arrogance off spiritualism/religion like someone believes their special enough to have a plan in place for them or there are things that happened in their life which "cannot be explained''....?. All smacks a bit of ego and the terminology..."enlightenment" as well, or an "awakening".

    The person who is born into this world and accepts what they can see, hear, smell, touch, taste is reality is the one who is more engaged with it and therefore more enlightened. Because unlike religion or spiritualism, people accept they know nothing beyond what they can actually physically observe.


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    #45
    Iscreamkone
    Registered Users Posts: 709 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    The world is set up in a way to tell us that only consumption and material objects matter, society has us addicted to these things, at the cost of the world itself, which we are eating up.
    Contention comes from inside, not from buying things. I've been doing a lot of evaluation lately on my own self, and where I am, mindfulness and some of the old Buddhist philosophies really ring true to me now and I feel a lot better for it. Disconnect from your ego and the constant thoughts and nonsense going through your head as much as you can, the real you is beyond that.

    That's great, Ted!


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    #46
    Thelonious Monk
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    Iscreamkone wrote: »
    That's great, Ted!

    Wha? What is ted?


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    #47
    [Deleted User]
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    Kase Jolly Mafioso wrote: »
    In its most simple terms who would you most rather get stuck on a desert island with?:

    2 dozen folks of various Christian failths, maybe a few Buddists, and couple Hindus too among them, all with unquantified positve outlooks, that somehow things will work out fine.
    2 dozen athiests, perhaps with the risk of increased self-focus, anger at their clearly hopeless situation, or even hedonistic attitudes, and non-guided views of morality or fairness.

    I find the argument that one needs a guided moral compass to be a very strange one. Is the only thing that stops a religious person from murdering or raping fear of retribution via a descent into hell? Isn't it insulting to imply so? I believe virtually all people have a moral compass that is guided by nothing but empathy or conscience. Small children have an observable sense of fair play.

    And there are very pessimistic religious people, as there are optimistic atheists.

    My preference would be to spend my time on a desert island with nebulous agnostics anyway, there's nothing more boring than a person who believes only they are absolutely right, which rules out the strident atheists and the strident religious in equal measure.


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    #48
    Tea drinker
    Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm not in the least bit religious, but I am interested (somewhat) in the spiritual. They're not automatically the same thing.
    I think people are seeking meaning in life... it can have a spiritual aspect.
    Meaning can be a mission .... it could be a material mission. It could be being part of an activist group. All these things feed the same part of the brain that religion does. I make little difference between say, spiritual religion and fervent support on climate issues.


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    #49
    Dr. Bre
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Wha? What is ted?

    Father ted I’m guessing !


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    #50
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,745 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Father ted I’m guessing !

    What has that got to do with anything?


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    #51
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    What has that got to do with anything?

    True. But I don’t know any other Ted!


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    #52
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,745 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    True. But I don’t know any other Ted!

    Teddy Ruxpin. Teddy Roosevelt.


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    #53
    [Deleted User]
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    Tea drinker wrote: »
    I think people are seeking meaning in life... it can have a spiritual aspect.
    Meaning can be a mission .... it could be a material mission. It could be being part of an activist group. All these things feed the same part of the brain that religion does. I make little difference between say, spiritual religion and fervent support on climate issues.

    Whereas I view religion as structured/organised belief, often with external concerns (Mass, communion, absolution, etc all requiring the approval of an external influence). Spiritualism is concerned with the self. It could be matters of the soul, or personal development to encourage peace of mind through meditation.


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    #54
    topper75
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    Candie wrote: »
    Religion requires faith. Science requires evidence.

    Yeah I don't take it on faith that I need Uranium 233 to get a reactor going in my shed.

    I do it myself. I have no truck with faith. :pac:

    Let's level with everyone here: both approaches ultimately involve believing what somebody else tells you when you get past the magnets and baking soda stuff.


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    Signore Fancy Pants
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    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
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    Irish Praetorian
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    Kase Jolly Mafioso wrote: »
    In its most simple terms who would you most rather get stuck on a desert island with?:

    2 dozen folks of various Christian failths, maybe a few Buddists, and couple Hindus too among them, all with unquantified positve outlooks, that somehow things will work out fine.
    2 dozen athiests, perhaps with the risk of increased self-focus, anger at their clearly hopeless situation, or even hedonistic attitudes, and non-guided views of morality or fairness.


    To be fair, the latter group is considerably less likely to lynch me for being gay, try to chop off bits of me in order to seal a covenant with god or randomly decide certain foodstuffs are ritually unclean and should not be eaten. I can't imagine it being Fire Island on Labour Day but I think it's pretty clear which side is offering the best odds.


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    jobeenfitz
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    completedit wrote: »
    The religion of science in the hands of those not smart enough to truly understand it is every bit as scary as anything that has come before it.

    This opening post is about science, the heading is about spirituality. I'm still not sure what your on about. Are you?


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    The One Doctor
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    Ipso wrote: »
    It’s an attempt to discredit science bu trying to imply it’s not evidence based.

    To be fair, a lot of science is merely informed opinion.


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    Dial Hard
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    The One Doctor wrote: »
    To be fair, a lot of science is merely informed opinion.

    Which is more than you can say about all religion, also to be fair.


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    completedit
    Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    Irish Praetorian wrote: »
    To be fair, the latter group is considerably less likely to lynch me for being gay, try to chop off bits of me in order to seal a covenant with god or randomly decide certain foodstuffs are ritually unclean and should not be eaten. I can't imagine it being Fire Island on Labour Day but I think it's pretty clear which side is offering the best odds.

    Always hear this. I know a lot of people who don't give a **** about religion or god or whatever else but if have the sexual preference you do, they'll deride you for that. People will find any reason to treat people indecently. Good people with religion will be good without religion. And bad people with religion will be like that regardless. Catholicism, Islam, ideologies, States, Politics, Economics are all not the problem. They are merely structures through which our prejudices manifest themselves.


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    Irish Praetorian
    Registered Users Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Irish Praetorian


    completedit wrote: »
    Always hear this. I know a lot of people who don't give a **** about religion or god or whatever else but if have the sexual preference you do, they'll deride you for that. People will find any reason to treat people indecently. Good people with religion will be good without religion. And bad people with religion will be like that regardless. Catholicism, Islam, ideologies, States, Politics, Economics are all not the problem. They are merely structures through which our prejudices manifest themselves.

    Ah I would be inclined to agree with a lot of that. In truth I suspect were at the stage where a lot of the lgbt community and the more conservative religious community (at least in the west) dont so much do battle as much as they are still riled up by the culture war that just ended.


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