Irish potato famine - Irish were really this hated??

bo0li5eumx12kp · 21-01-2020 8:29am #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2zklucyTFU

I learned about this a little in school but, wasn't aware the full extent of the depravity.

The pivotal aspect for me is this videos description of the British leaders contempt for the Irish "personality".

Abbreviated it goes, "this is a punishment of the character of the Irish, one we don't want to interfere with too much".

Helluva statement.

I was raised in Ireland and to be quite frank, I wipe my ass with Irish culture also.

One aspect of it I like is its affinity for the sport of boxing, but this arguably stems from culture manifesting via the IABA, and.... that promoted by the travelling community?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

That being said, I would never wish such a fate on anyone or any culture as heinous as a famine; some leaders at the time were clearly not as cool headed however.

Elitism and financial gain were clearly at play also as, Ireland had plentiful food stocks, but exported everything for profit, ahead of using it to feed their own starving citizens.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-01-2020 8:44am

Yawn.

Shouldn't you be writing your romantic fiction about 'ploughing strange' and leaving a trail of distraught chicks in your wake?

Your Irish culture baiting is not even as good as the usual stuff.

Feisar · 21-01-2020 8:46am

In fairness it was whatever narrative suited the interests of the empire. Right/wrong were fairly malleable. The Irish were hardly the only ones to suffer under this yoke. Zulu’s,Indian’s or whoever needed to be brought to heel were vilified.

The whole no blacks, no dogs, no Irish in the States stems from that and also that we were Catholic.

vicwatson · 21-01-2020 8:47am

Read the words “potato famine”

So much wrong with that

Unfollowed

kenmm · 21-01-2020 8:52am

yawn - thread on After Hours, everyone claiming its troll. Race to show superiority by posting boring/unfollow/snooze etc.

Unfollow.

Have I won? Did I do boards right?

uck51js9zml2yt · 21-01-2020 8:53am

vicwatson wrote: »

Read the words “potato famine”

So much wrong with that

Unfollowed

Yup, should have been called Genocide.

21-01-2020 8:56am

kenmm wrote: »

yawn - thread on After Hours, everyone claiming its troll. Race to show superiority by posting boring/unfollow/snooze etc.

Unfollow.

Have I won? Did I do boards right?

Now now don’t be upsetting all the superior beings. Where would we be if they couldn’t show is how much better they are?

The biggest lingering issue with Britain is that they have never faced up to their many many wrongs all over the world. Most other civilised nations have done it whereas they’d do it to us all again if they could because the empire mentality is still being ingrained.

kenmm · 21-01-2020 9:03am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The biggest lingering issue with Britain is that they have never faced up to their many many wrongs all over the world. Most other civilised nations have done it whereas they’d do it to us all again if they could because the empire mentality is still being ingrained.

I'm not sure - that mentality does exist with some, but its a bit too much of a generalisation. For several post war decades, the UK had lots of migrants from former colonies and a lot of it was peaceful(ish..).

Apologies have been issued over the years - but whether of not there was enough of that I dunno. If it wasn't then I don't see that changing any time soon as fascism grows across the western world (and ironically the UKs chance of being a colony far exceeds any chance of them every ruling other nations again!)

EmmetSpiceland · 21-01-2020 9:12am

Social reformer Charles Kingsley refereed to the Irish as “White chimpanzees” after visiting Ireland during the famine. Safe to say they didn’t think too much of the sick or dying.

Robert Peel did try to get some, much needed, aid sent over but his pleas fell on deaf ears as the government, at the time, were all about making money and not saving lives.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-01-2020 9:35am

kenmm wrote: »

yawn - thread on After Hours, everyone claiming its troll. Race to show superiority by posting boring/unfollow/snooze etc.

Unfollow.

Have I won? Did I do boards right?

If you recognised the OP then you’d know it’s not a thread about the famine, it’s about the OP saying some things to wind people up and get attention. Eg. the bit about ‘I wipe my arze with Irish culture’. Seriously, look at some of he other threads they’ve started. There’s no interest in discussion about the famine from the OP.

Feisar · 21-01-2020 9:36am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Now now don’t be upsetting all the superior beings. Where would we be if they couldn’t show is how much better they are?

The biggest lingering issue with Britain is that they have never faced up to their many many wrongs all over the world. Most other civilised nations have done it whereas they’d do it to us all again if they could because the empire mentality is still being ingrained.

Never complain, never explain.

kenmm · 21-01-2020 9:44am

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

If you recognised the OP then you’d know it’s not a thread about the famine, it’s about the OP saying some things to wind people up and get attention

That is your assumption, correct. But even if true - who cares?

Lots of threads get clogged up with this sorta sh!te. If you think they are trolling, report it - let the mods mod.

And yes - I am aware I am being a little hypocritical with this post!

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Eg. the bit about ‘I wipe my arze with Irish culture’. Seriously, look at some of he other threads they’ve started. There’s no interest in discussion about the famine from the OP.

And regarding that part - just because you disagree with their assertion that Irish culture sucks that makes it a troll?
I agree - lots of Irish culture stinks. Greedy, often clique, quite gossipy, lots on keeping up with the Joneses (Gotta get on the ladder ya know!) and a lot of general Ignorance to world views.

But shure the craic is mighty so its not all bad!

Tired Gardener · 21-01-2020 10:31am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The biggest lingering issue with Britain is that they have never faced up to their many many wrongs all over the world.

Where would they start? Given the length and breadth of British history, which atrocity would be first on that road to redemption?

Aboriginal Tasmanians?
Great Famine of 1876–1878?
Boer concentration camps?
Amritsar massacre?
Partitioning of India?
Mau Mau Uprising?

These are just some of the events the British are guilty of, each nation/race of people who have suffered at the hands of the British have a legitimate grievance. Who's takes precedence in getting an appology/acknowledgement? How would this be done, by extent, by brutality, by length, by more recent?

There is a lot of blood on the hands of the British, a lot which the British governments try to down play. A good percentage of the British population are kept ignorant to their true history... which is all the more damaging for a multitude of reasons.

Your Face · 21-01-2020 10:35am

The OPs real daddy is an Irishman.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-01-2020 10:36am

kenmm wrote: »

That is your assumption, correct. But even if true - who cares?

Lots of threads get clogged up with this sorta sh!te. If you think they are trolling, report it - let the mods mod.

And yes - I am aware I am being a little hypocritical with this post!

And regarding that part - just because you disagree with their assertion that Irish culture sucks that makes it a troll?
I agree - lots of Irish culture stinks. Greedy, often clique, quite gossipy, lots on keeping up with the Joneses (Gotta get on the ladder ya know!) and a lot of general Ignorance to world views.

But shure the craic is mighty so its not all bad!

You realise this is exactly what the OP wanted? And now they got it.

21-01-2020 10:41am

Tired Gardener wrote: »

Where would they start? Given the length and breadth of British history, which atrocity would be first on that road to redemption?

Aboriginal Tasmanians?
Great Famine of 1876–1878?
Boer concentration camps?
Amritsar massacre?
Partitioning of India?
Mau Mau Uprising?

These are just some of the events the British are guilty of, each nation/race of people who have suffered at the hands of the British have a legitimate grievance. Who's takes precedence in getting an appology/acknowledgement? How would this be done, by extent, by brutality, by length, by more recent?

There is a lot of blood on the hands of the British, a lot which the British governments try to down play. A good percentage of the British population are kept ignorant to their true history... which is all the more damaging for a multitude of reasons.

In their minds all they ever did was educate savages across the globe.

daheff · 21-01-2020 10:43am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

The biggest lingering issue with Britain is that they have never faced up to their many many wrongs all over the world. Most other civilised nations have done it whereas they’d do it to us all again if they could because the empire mentality is still being ingrained.

And threatened to do so during the Brexit negotiations!!!

Tired Gardener · 21-01-2020 10:45am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

In their minds all they ever did was educate savages across the globe.

Not in all their minds. I am English, and I try to educate myself on what the history is. The older generations, do have the mindset you speak of, but my generation and the younger generation are a bit more knowledgeable... or at least try to be.

Fr_Dougal · 21-01-2020 10:48am

Paulina Fat Manganese wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2zklucyTFU

I learned about this a little in school but, wasn't aware the full extent of the depravity.

The pivotal aspect for me is this videos description of the British leaders contempt for the Irish "personality".

Abbreviated it goes, "this is a punishment of the character of the Irish, one we don't want to interfere with too much".

Helluva statement.

I was raised in Ireland and to be quite frank, I wipe my ass with Irish culture also.

One aspect of it I like is its affinity for the sport of boxing, but this arguably stems from culture manifesting via the IABA, and.... that promoted by the travelling community?
Correct me if I'm wrong.

That being said, I would never wish such a fate on anyone or any culture as heinous as a famine; some leaders at the time were clearly not as cool headed however.

Elitism and financial gain were clearly at play also as, Ireland had plentiful food stocks, but exported everything for profit, ahead of using it to feed their own starving citizens.

Very strange.

In a previous post you wrote:

Hi - I am student from England.
I am moving to Sligo shortly and believe that a lot of accommodation frees up at the end of May when the students leave.

I am not looking for an apartment in a student village or anything

21-01-2020 10:57am

daheff wrote: »

And threatened to do so during the Brexit negotiations!!!

Indeed yes, Ms Patel. She always comes across as one of the most purely evil people in existence.

DrumSteve · 21-01-2020 11:04am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Indeed yes, Ms Patel. She always comes across as one of the most purely evil people in existence.

Still would though.

21-01-2020 11:07am

DrumSteve wrote: »

Still would though.

Nah, such a vile personality would curdle milk.

DrumSteve · 21-01-2020 11:18am

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, such a vile personality would curdle milk.

and....?

jimgoose · 21-01-2020 11:39am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Indeed yes, Ms Patel. She always comes across as one of the most purely evil people in existence.

Ah Priti, my little onion bhaji. She just needs a bit of Irish in her. :cool::cool::D

Oh and OP, top o' de mornin' ta yerroner Sorr.

Bobblehats · 21-01-2020 12:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Nah, such a vile personality would curdle milk.

A pretty petal she is not

Our greatest curse is being part of the British isles in the eyes of all the immigrance! For whom with such a decorated history it is open season

21-01-2020 1:16pm

DrumSteve wrote: »

and....?

She's priti vacant.

Marcos · 21-01-2020 1:28pm

You just have to look at Edmund Spenser and his time in Munster to see where the likes of Trevelyan's thinking comes from. In his "A View On The State Of Ireland" Spenser lays out his plans for the total conquest of Ireland. He was granted lands in Munster in 1580 by Baron Grey De Wilton. Lord secretary of Ireland who was attempting plantations in Munster as a means of extending the crowns influence outside the Pale. He used a scorched earth policy that killed 30,000 and led to a mass displacement of Gaelic Irish from plantation areas to towns in search of food.

It was on this campaign that Spenser based his harrowing eyewitness description of the effects of starvation on the Irish in the View.

Out of everye corner of the woode and glenns they came creepinge forth upon theire handes, for theire legges could not beare them; they looked Anatomies [of] death, they spake like ghostes, crying out of theire graves; they did eate of the carrions, happye wheare they could find them, yea, and one another soone after, in soe much as the verye carcasses they spared not to scrape out of theire graves; and if they found a plott of water-cresses or shamrockes, theyr they flocked as to a feast for the time, yett not able long to contynewe therewithall; that in a shorte space there were none almost left, and a most populous and plentyfull countrye suddenly lefte voyde of man or beast: yett sure in all that warr, there perished not manye by the sworde, but all by the extreamytie of famyne which they themselves hadd wrought.[15]

The final five words in this passage suggest that, for Spenser and the English intelligentsia, enforced starvation in Ireland was not seen as morally repugnant. It was something that the Irish naturally brought upon themselves because of their irredeemable barbarism.

This echoes Trevelyan's views that the famine was the fault of the Irish.

Not surprisingly Spenser thought that all Gaelic Irish culture and language should be eradicated. Here are his views on the Irish language, and the Normans who adopted it.

I suppose that the chief cause of bringing in the Irish language amongst them was specially their fostering and marrying with the Irish…. For, first, the child that sucketh the milk of the nurse must of necessity learn his first speech of her…though he afterwards be taught English, yet the smack of the first will always abide with him; and not only of the speech, but also of the manners and conditions… they moreover draw into themselves together with their suck even the nature and disposition of their nurses. For the mind followeth much the temperature of the body, and also the words are the image of the mind… so that, the speech being Irish, the heart must needs be Irish, for out of the abundance of the heart the tongue speaketh.

He cites this as a reason the Normans became more Irish than the Irish themselves, and the Irish language and culture had to be eradicated and replaced with English language and culture instead. In order to achieve this, he advocated the use of famine as a military tactic.

"Great force must be the instrument but famine must be the means, for till Ireland be famished it cannot be subdued. . . There can be no conformity of government where is no conformity of religion. . . There can be no sound agreement between two equal contraries viz: the English and Irish".

Church on Tuesday · 21-01-2020 2:22pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yawn.

Shouldn't you be writing your romantic fiction about 'ploughing strange' and leaving a trail of distraught chicks in your wake?

Your Irish culture baiting is not even as good as the usual stuff.

I prefer his earlier stuff too.

bo0li5eumx12kp · 21-01-2020 3:20pm

Marcos wrote: »

You just have to look at Edmund Spenser and his time in Munster to see where the likes of Trevelyan's thinking comes from. In his "A View On The State Of Ireland" Spenser lays out his plans for the total conquest of Ireland. He was granted lands in Munster in 1580 by Baron Grey De Wilton. Lord secretary of Ireland who was attempting plantations in Munster as a means of extending the crowns influence outside the Pale. He used a scorched earth policy that killed 30,000 and led to a mass displacement of Gaelic Irish from plantation areas to towns in search of food.

This echoes Trevelyan's views that the famine was the fault of the Irish.

Not surprisingly Spenser thought that all Gaelic Irish culture and language should be eradicated. Here are his views on the Irish language, and the Normans who adopted it.

He cites this as a reason the Normans became more Irish than the Irish themselves, and the Irish language and culture had to be eradicated and replaced with English language and culture instead. In order to achieve this, he advocated the use of famine as a military tactic.

Excellent post.
You're of the opinion this is the genuine root cause of the Irish famine?
I suppose, they didn't obstruct the progression of the famine as they so easily could have.
But is this attributable to wealthy/greedy/immoral Irish landowners and elitists also?

Following the impetus - thoughts, emotions, actions - behavior, personality, culture.

It's just one mentality versus another in its most fundamentally conceptualized form.

That c**t Thatcher was right, poverty is a mentality - but so is elitism.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-01-2020 11:13pm

Look up the old Punch cartoons to see the caricatures

branie2 · 22-01-2020 10:42am

"No Irish need apply" springs to mind

whippet · 22-01-2020 10:45am

Finn Dwyer's Podcast - Irish History Podcast has an incredible 30 or so episode long series giving a really in-depth history of the time.

It is worth a listen as he tries to be as impartial as possible about the whole thing and it is quite clear that there is more to it than what was in our history books in school

whisky_galore · 22-01-2020 10:45am

Brit whingefest #1,674,234 and counting.

22-01-2020 12:54pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Brit whingefest #1,674,234 and counting.

And not half enough. Vile nation.

bo0li5eumx12kp · 22-01-2020 1:36pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Brit whingefest #1,674,234 and counting.

Dafuq??

Just for record, I am British.

It's not one nation versus another, it's an attempt to understand the concept of actions.

whisky_galore · 22-01-2020 2:58pm

Paulina Fat Manganese wrote: »

Dafuq??

Just for record, I am British, dipsh1t.

It's not one nation versus another, it's an attempt to understand the concept of actions.

Language, Timothy.

whisky_galore · 22-01-2020 2:59pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

And not half enough. Vile nation.

Build a bridge and get over it, sweetheart.

It's tiresome and more than a little boring.

LaFuton · 22-01-2020 3:15pm

wipe ur ass with irish culture?

nobody is stopping ye leave.

Boredstiff666 · 22-01-2020 3:40pm

It had nowt to do with being Irish. Ireland had nothing that England wanted. No gold or anything. So the only thing the business men and aristocracy wanted was to make money from peasants. Just as they did all over the UK.

The Irish peasant was no different than the English, Welsh, or Scottish peasant. Or in fact any other peasant all over Europe.

The peasants weren't allowed land anywhere and you paid your masters rent and other taxes. And the landlords in Ireland weren't all English either. Some were Irish and even took their place in Westminister as well. So it wasnt a hatred of the Irish as some would make you believe.

But the potato famine just happened to come along at a convenient time after the industrial revolution and gone were the days of your granny with a spinning wheel. Now they had industrialised wool and other production and the demand for wool was huge.

So the money was in sheep for wool and meat and peasant farmers were uneconomical.

So the land clearances began all over Europe. People off......sheep on.

Hence the mass emigration/immigration of Europeans to the New World.

But that aint a popular history story to tell.

Of course thousands of starving peasants in Englands streets wouldn't have gone down too well. But Ireland was far away so out of sight out of mind.

If they could have done the same in England, they certainly would have no problem and probably did in some places.

22-01-2020 4:24pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Build a bridge and get over it, sweetheart.

It's tiresome and more than a little boring.

Oh, well if you say so that changes everything. Will get right on it.

RobertKK · 22-01-2020 4:44pm

I find it emotional reading about the famine or watching programs or videos on it.
The comments under the video are interesting too.
It could all have been avoided if the powers that be had wanted it to avoided. It is something we still live with to this very day as the effects of the famine are still present.

Graces7 · 22-01-2020 4:48pm

As we know; the blight was a natural disaster; the famine was man-made. Genocide. Including by rich Irish .

RobertKK wrote: »

I find it emotional reading about the famine or watching programs or videos on it.
The comments under the video are interesting too.
It could all have been avoided if the powers that be had wanted it to avoided. It is something we still live with to this very day as the effects of the famine are still present.

bo0li5eumx12kp · 22-01-2020 4:53pm

Boredstiff666 wrote: »

So the land clearances began all over Europe. People off......sheep on.

Hence the mass emigration/immigration of Europeans to the New World.

But that aint a popular history story to tell.

Of course thousands of starving peasants in Englands streets wouldn't have gone down too well. But Ireland was far away so out of sight out of mind.

If they could have done the same in England, they certainly would have no problem and probably did in some places.

Not sure I understand your point here exactly.

Your contention is this was a case of class vs class as oppose to culture vs culture?

I've historically viewed the majority of Irish culture, especially the old school areas out in the sticks like Gaeltacht areas, as really hanging on by their nails to some old school values.

Ireland rode the coattails of the EU all the way to modern standards of living but historically?
Is Ireland the embodiment of peasant class?
In some ways, I've believed that.

Maybe like out regions of some dump baltic states like romania, place where Borat was filmed etc.

So, to surmise what you seem to be saying is, crap rolls down hill?

My beef is, how can peasant classes ever evolve without support from the more fortunate...

RobertKK · 22-01-2020 5:08pm

Paulina Fat Manganese wrote: »

Not sure I understand your point here exactly.

Your contention is this was a case of class vs class as oppose to culture vs culture?

I've historically viewed the majority of Irish culture, especially the old school areas out in the sticks like Gaeltacht areas, as really hanging on by their nails to some old school values.

Ireland rode the coattails of the EU all the way to modern standards of living but historically?
Is Ireland the embodiment of peasant class?
In some ways, I've believed that.

Maybe like out regions of some dump baltic states like romania, place where Borat was filmed etc.

So, to surmise what you seem to be saying is, crap rolls down hill?

My beef is, how can peasant classes ever evolve without support from the more fortunate...

Borat was filmed in a Roma village which is not typical Romanian, it would be like filming in an Irish Traveller halting site here and thinking it is how Irish people live. I think you meant Balkans instead of Baltic.

Boredstiff666 · 22-01-2020 5:09pm

Paulina Fat Manganese wrote: »

Not sure I understand your point here exactly.

Your contention is this was a case of class vs class as oppose to culture vs culture?

I've historically viewed the majority of Irish culture, especially the old school areas out in the sticks like Gaeltacht areas, as really hanging on by their nails to some old school values.

Ireland rode the coattails of the EU all the way to modern standards of living but historically?
Is Ireland the embodiment of peasant class?
In some ways, I've believed that.

Maybe like out regions of some dump baltic states like romania, place where Borat was filmed etc.

So, to surmise what you seem to be saying is, crap rolls down hill?

My beef is, how can peasant classes ever evolve without support from the more fortunate...

It's quite simple in those days prior to WW1 you had 2 classes ....them and us.

Us.....was peasants/working class. English Irish Scots Welsh and Euro.

Them......was the Aristocracy and hangers on who just happened to own all the major businesses, land, wealth etc.

Ireland never had any natural assets to invade for. They were invaded to keep the others from invading and threatening the Britain.

If they were able too then Ireland would have been invaded by the French, Dutch and especially the Spanish to wage war on Britain or really England. So Britain had no choice but to invade Ireland and control it to keep its enemies away.

Them.....took rent from all peasants all over Britain and Ireland until they could make more money from sheep and the land clearances began all over Britain.

The Europeans did exactly the same. The potato blight was a blessing in disguise and so was the 'New World' for the Aristocracy across Europe.

It wasn't that the English hated the Irish. It was the Aristocracy just didnt think anything of peasants. Peasants were only any good when they were any good. When not they weren't worth the ****e on their boots.

You dont give good food to peasants when you can sell it. Starving to death was ok when they didnt have to see it. So stick it in a boat and forget about it or if its far enough away then thats ok.

Ipso · 22-01-2020 5:17pm

RobertKK wrote: »

It could all have been avoided if the powers that be had wanted it to avoided. .

Indifference more than genocide.

Boredstiff666 · 22-01-2020 5:36pm

Ipso wrote: »

Indifference more than genocide.

Also ignorance. It wasn't the upper classes problem if a bunch of scum couldnt feed themselves so they most probably werent interested in any problems of the lower classes or bothered to learn of such.

In those days skinny dirty people dressed in rags lying on the roadside were common around most towns and cities. That is where the poorest folk lived. On the side of the road. They never had houses. Under a bush if you were lucky.

If there was too many of you or Lady snooty knickers objected to the sight of you, then you would be moved on. But then rotting corpses would have been a bit too much.

One of the most hilarious things is the point that people make regards Irish immigrants and how they were accepted so now Irish people must make exceptions and welcome immigrants into Ireland en mass.

Nobody wanted Irish immigrants. The nearest place for any homeless starving Irish would have been the UK. But the answer to that was no. So the 'New World' was the place for them.

But the Americans already there despised the new wave of Irish (and other) poor landing there and treated them as bad as what the Aristocracy had done back in Ireland.

When you got off that boat in America you did get offered work straight away if you were fit.........The Cavalry. You were needed as peace keepers and Indian fighters for peanuts and a very hard life.

The young and the women were most likely slaves or prostitutes........or you starved.

bob mcbob · 22-01-2020 6:00pm

Just thought I'd drop this into the thread. This is about the impact of the famine on Scotland when there was also a famine going on in the highlands.

https://journals.openedition.org/mimmoc/1763

Graces7 · 22-01-2020 6:17pm

No as you will see if you read behind the obvious scenario.

Look at where the majority of deaths happened? Not the well off, but the poor folk who lived in mud huts etc and were in the way of the rich Irish and English landowners. Look who got evicted, their houses pulled down... Look who starved?

When there was more than enough food in Ireland to feed everyone, they sent it abroad. Quite wilfully and intentionally

This was totally planned and deliberate. Look at who would benefit from the removal of the "bog-dwellers".

Three agencies; the English . the richer Irish and the Catholic Church combined to eradicate the poorer folk. The Church had plans for Ireland and the multitude of very poor were in the way.

Genocide against their own, well researched by historians including myself, and shockingly well documented.. Greed for land and status.

Ipso wrote: »

Indifference more than genocide.

Boredstiff666 · 22-01-2020 6:22pm

Graces7 wrote: »

No as you will see if you read behind the obvious scenario.

Look at where the majority of deaths happened? Not the well off, but the poor folk who lived in mud huts etc and were in the way of the rich Irish and English landowners. Look who got evicted, their houses pulled down... Look who starved?

When there was more than enough food in Ireland to feed everyone, they sent it abroad. Quite wilfully and intentionally

This was totally planned and deliberate. Look at who would benefit from the removal of the "bog-dwellers".

Three agencies; the English . the richer Irish and the Catholic Church combined to eradicate the poorer folk. The Church had plans for Ireland and the multitude of very poor were in the way.

Genocide against their own, well researched by historians including myself, and shockingly well documented.. Greed for land and status.

Exactly but they always blame the English.

bo0li5eumx12kp · 22-01-2020 6:27pm

Graces7 wrote: »

No as you will see if you read behind the obvious scenario.

Look at where the majority of deaths happened? Not the well off, but the poor folk who lived in mud huts etc and were in the way of the rich Irish and English landowners. Look who got evicted, their houses pulled down... Look who starved?

When there was more than enough food in Ireland to feed everyone, they sent it abroad. Quite wilfully and intentionally

This was totally planned and deliberate. Look at who would benefit from the removal of the "bog-dwellers".

Three agencies; the English . the richer Irish and the Catholic Church combined to eradicate the poorer folk. The Church had plans for Ireland and the multitude of very poor were in the way.

Genocide against their own, well researched by historians including myself, and shockingly well documented.. Greed for land and status.

This is posted with more clarity than boredstiff - whose posts seem informed but come off as a rant.

I'm trying to determine the emotional complex of the time - the human relationships.
The juxtaposition of one person to another.
The form.
And the content.

:pac::pac::pac:

I guess land = status, so basically, status?

What you're saying is, this was a calculated move on behalf of the power owners?
The actual potato virus just facilitated their means, basically?

Irish potato famine - Irish were really this hated??

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