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29-08-2012, 17:49   #1
 
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Order of malta or Red Cross

I have a choice of the two but would like some info on them.

Whats the training like (levels) ?
Are any acceppted as stepping stone to a paramedic?
What Costs are envolved ?
Whats normal duty ?

Any other information such as other events they hold ect

ps im in athlone area.
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29-08-2012, 21:45   #2
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I have a choice of the two but would like some info on them.

Whats the training like (levels) ?
Are any acceppted as stepping stone to a paramedic?
What Costs are envolved ?
Whats normal duty ?

Any other information such as other events they hold ect

ps im in athlone area.
Cant speak about the units in Athlone but generally both organsations do the same work.
-Both organisations would have similar training (CFR, OFA, EFR, EMT) & would normally meet weekly where they discuss upcoming activities & do a bit of training.
-Neither are 'stepping stones to paramedic' but the expierence in either would stick to you.
-Generally there is no costs involved only your time & transport to & from the base. (All though normally other lads can pick you up on the way or pick ya up in ambulance etc).
-Both groups do different types of duties. OMAC has the contract for horse racing & generally cover larger events such as eletric picnic, ploughing etc. They also do a good bit of community care work. IRC covers a good bit of the GAA fixtures in the midlands?
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Normal duties could range anywhere from 3-4 hours up to 12-13+ hours.
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Do these bodies do a garda vetting check on you before you join ?or what vol emergency services can you join without gettin Garda checked'
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Garda vetting required for all of them
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Any job, including voluntary work, where you'll be working unsupervised with children or "vulnerable adults" (such as the elderly, people with disabilities or injured people) requires Garda vetting. Don't worry too much about it. It's not a case that you'll automatically fail if you've any convictions at all, it's just a risk assessment.

For example, if you've a conviction for shoplifting, that's likely to be disregarded.
Also, I think (but don't quote me on this) if you've been convicted and acquitted, you're grand.
It's just if you have any violent convictions, or anything against those groups, that kind of thing might affect you.


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-Both organisations would ... normally meet weekly...
Some country units it's twice weekly, others it's less frequent. Not sure about Athlone.
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-Neither are 'stepping stones to paramedic' but the expierence in either would stick to you.
It does help to know people in the industry though, even if just to keep your confidence up and to have someone to talk to about recruitment etc.
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-Generally there is no costs involved...
Can't speak for IRC (because I don't know) or OMAC (because it's against the forum charter) but certain organisations do have some initial costs, such as a charge for uniform or basic kit. For example, SJAB (this is public domain, it's on their website) charge about €100 for your basic first aid course. Then if you want anything fancy and cool, it's usually at your own expense, but that'd be stuff you could do without or borrow (like SpO2 monitors).

Best thing you can do is give the OC a call and ask. Or maybe drop down to the next meeting of each. Be honest, tell them you're still deciding who to go with and they'll tell you all the differences!

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Could you make it to Ballinasloe? Strong Civil Defence unit down there is another option, a lot of the instructors there are APs and serving paramedics (15+ IIRC)
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Would love to join the CD, but im a student and i dont drive so im stuck it athlone
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Just to clarify Seaslackers point, if you turn up to Ballinasloe CD you're not going to find 15 or more paramedics waiting to train you, he's trying to play up the fact that loads of paramedics on the road right now cut their teeth in the unit, although in fairness, it's always more down to the commitment of the individual to whatever organisation they join where ever they are rather then the pedigree of their training unit.
I would also call issue with Topper7's point about voluntaries not being stepping stones to paramedics, they are not compulsory I'll grant but they do stand to applicants a lot better in interviews and assessments.
My advice to the OP would be attend the meetings of both and see how you like the people and take it from there. Talk to the officers in charge about what they do and what events they cover and how frequently you can gain frontline experience.
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Just to clarify Seaslackers point, if you turn up to Ballinasloe CD you're not going to find 15 or more paramedics waiting to train you, he's trying to play up the fact that loads of paramedics on the road right now cut their teeth in the unit, although in fairness, it's always more down to the commitment of the individual to whatever organisation they join where ever they are rather then the pedigree of their training unit.
I would also call issue with Topper7's point about voluntaries not being stepping stones to paramedics, they are not compulsory I'll grant but they do stand to applicants a lot better in interviews and assessments.
My advice to the OP would be attend the meetings of both and see how you like the people and take it from there. Talk to the officers in charge about what they do and what events they cover and how frequently you can gain frontline experience.
Apart from the "play up" comment, pretty spot on.
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Can't speak for IRC (because I don't know) or OMAC (because it's against the forum charter) but certain organisations do have some initial costs, such as a charge for uniform or basic kit. For example, SJAB (this is public domain, it's on their website) charge about €100 for your basic first aid course. Then if you want anything fancy and cool, it's usually at your own expense, but that'd be stuff you could do without or borrow (like SpO2 monitors).

Best thing you can do is give the OC a call and ask. Or maybe drop down to the next meeting of each. Be honest, tell them you're still deciding who to go with and they'll tell you all the differences!
All Vols orgs charge for their respective basic first aid courses along with the other courses they do.

I do agree with your last statement about calling in to the relevant organisations & discussing your options with the OIC's
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All Vols orgs charge for their respective basic first aid courses along with the other courses they do.
sorry but all the orgs do not charge their members for courses
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I've never paid a penny for training
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Exactly AFAIK St. Johns charge for Basic courses , OMAC dont, aint got a clue about Red Cross though
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