Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

sheepysheep · 14-03-2021 9:17pm

.ak wrote: »

There's a title thread poll there for ye now... Who said we're not efficient?

Too late for a suggestion?

Penny wise, pounding teams foolish.

Dubinusa · 14-03-2021 9:21pm

So, team for Ospreys?

FrannoFan · 14-03-2021 11:02pm

Buer wrote: »

The more I watch Cooney and Carty, the more convinced I am that many who are advocating for their involvement aren't actually watching them.

It's 6 nations time. People haven't watched rugby since autumn offering opinions.

Conway been very poor in his two games for munster and people want him in based on autumn form. (When he was excellent)

Avoid the 42 comments section...

Squidgy Black · 14-03-2021 11:15pm

Dubinusa wrote: »

So, team for Ospreys?

Some combination of the barely 23 players we have that aren't crocked!

We're likely not going to get many players made available to us for the final, probably Ross Byrne, Jack Conan, maybe Larmour if he doesn't get much game time against England.

So there's going to have to be some rotation because we're really running thin on the ground. I'd say Corkery will get another shot, as will Osborne and Hugh O'Sullivan might get a start.

Clegg · 14-03-2021 11:36pm

Really like the look of Jamie Osborne. Showed some good skills in drawing a defender in and making him commit, before passing to Kearney for his try. He's also very big which is something we don't normally have in our outside backs.

Anyone know when Tommy O'Brien is due back? He's a player I thought would be the next to break through to the Champions Cup squad. Injury has unfortunately derailed his season.

Squidgy Black · 14-03-2021 11:42pm

Clegg wrote: »

Really like the look of Jamie Osborne. Showed some good skills in drawing a defender in and making him commit, before passing to Kearney for his try. He's also very big which is something we don't normally have in our outside backs.

Anyone know when Tommy O'Brien is due back? He's a player I thought would be the next to break through to the Champions Cup squad. Injury has unfortunately derailed his season.

He was due back after the Glasgow game I think but then did his hamstring and there's been no update since

sebdavis · 15-03-2021 1:38pm

The target is on Lowe back. Any chance the Irish management would release him back to Leinster?

Squidgy Black · 15-03-2021 1:48pm

sebdavis wrote: »

The target is on Lowe back. Any chance the Irish management would release him back to Leinster?

Nah he's played in every game so far in the tournament, he'll be under the rest period even if he doesn't play this weekend.

Exclamation Marc · 15-03-2021 1:48pm

sebdavis wrote: »

The target is on Lowe back. Any chance the Irish management would release him back to Leinster?

No, I highly doubt it. They've shown recently with Billy Burns that they stick with and work with players. They've also spent far too long on Lowe to unceremoniously dump him after a couple of poor defensive decisions.

bayern · 15-03-2021 3:06pm

Leinster Rugby Head Coach Leo Cullen has issued an injury update ahead of the Guinness PRO14 game against Ospreys in the RDS Arena this Friday (kick-off: 8.15pm – live on Eir Sport).

There is positive news on Ciarán Frawley who is due to train this week after recovering from a shoulder injury.

A number of other players though require further assessment this week before a final call will be made on their involvement in the game on Friday.

Seán Cronin picked up a back injury and was removed from the matchday squad to face Ulster Rugby a few weeks ago but he took a limited part in training last week and will again look to increase his involvement this week.

Vakh Abdaladze will also again look to increase his involvement in team training this week as he continues to recover from a long-standing back injury.

From the game at the weekend against Zebre, Luke McGrath was withdrawn for a Head Injury Assessment and will follow the Graduated Return to Play Protocols as a result.

Unfortunately, both Cian Kelleher and Jimmy O’Brien will definitely be unavailable this week as both picked up minor hamstring injuries on Friday evening.

Cullen also confirmed that David Hawkshaw picked up an ankle injury in the win against Glasgow Warriors and had a procedure last week. He will be unavailable for a number of weeks as a result.

No New Injury Update – Unavailable for Selection:

Tommy O’Brien (ankle), Adam Byrne (quad), Caelan Doris (concussive symptoms), Dan Leavy (knee), Conor O’Brien (knee) and Max Deegan (knee)

crisco10 · 15-03-2021 3:15pm

Are there any backs left?

Frawley comes back, and we lose Kelleher, Hawkshaw and J O'Brien.

And Luke McGrath potentially.

bayern · 15-03-2021 3:26pm

9. HOS
10. Byrne
11. Kearney
12. Frawley
13. ROL
14. Osborne?
15. MOR

arsebiscuits1 · 15-03-2021 3:30pm

Pretty much guarantees a 6-2 split this weekend then ha.

I doubt they'll risk Luke even if he comes through the RTP with such an important block of games coming up.

I wonder are any of Smith, Silvester or Turner recovered as none of them have been seen in a few months

bayern · 15-03-2021 3:34pm

Smith was training last week a bit so must be close.

Chris Cosgrave was 24th man with squad.

arsebiscuits1 · 15-03-2021 3:37pm

It's a pity I haven't got to play Junior Rugby in a year now.

I wouldn't be too far off a call up at this stage

Squidgy Black · 15-03-2021 3:38pm

bayern wrote: »

9. HOS
10. Byrne
11. Kearney
12. Frawley
13. ROL
14. Osborne?
15. MOR

Could see Osborne go to 13 as that's where he's played in senior games so far I think, and ROL to 14. Although it's probably a safer bet to have him out on the wing.

pickarooney · 15-03-2021 3:59pm

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

No, I highly doubt it. They've shown recently with Billy Burns that they stick with and work with players. They've also spent far too long on Lowe to unceremoniously dump him after a couple of poor defensive decisions.

If they don't take him back aren't they effectively dumping Stockdale instead?

Clegg · 15-03-2021 5:22pm

Ryan and Ringrose have been ruled out of the England game. We could be without both for the Pro 14 final and the Champions Cup QF.

arsebiscuits1 · 15-03-2021 5:27pm

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan and Ringrose have been ruled out of the England game. We could be without both for the Pro 14 final and the Champions Cup QF.

With the proximity of Ryans concussions they're obviously taking no chances this weekend. But with this extra week to recover I wonder do Leinster have an eye of including him in the final?

Ringroses injury is a nightmare. Ankle injuries are rarely a 1 week affair.

Hopefully we see him back soon

Squidgy Black · 15-03-2021 5:28pm

Clegg wrote: »

Ryan and Ringrose have been ruled out of the England game. We could be without both for the Pro 14 final and the Champions Cup QF.

We were more than likely not getting either back for the pro14 anyways, but the champions cup qf will be a huge blow.

15-03-2021 5:29pm

Tbh I think we're ok without Ringrose, Henshaw moves out one and Frawley/RB/ROL slots into 12 as has happened before.

Ryan is a big blow. Baird will start I guess with Fardy or Toner.

Former Former Former · 15-03-2021 5:35pm

If Ryan is only a HIA then I'd be optimistic that he'd be back for both matches and certainly Europe.

Bazzo · 15-03-2021 5:47pm

Former Former Former wrote: »

If Ryan is only a HIA then I'd be optimistic that he'd be back for both matches and certainly Europe.

Wasn't he concussed at the start of the tournament too? Two concussions in that short a time span isn't good.

Exclamation Marc · 15-03-2021 5:55pm

pickarooney wrote: »

If they don't take him back aren't they effectively dumping Stockdale instead?

I don't think so. They haven't brought Stockdale in to date when they could have.

I don't think dropping Lowe is going to help him improve and at this stage of the championship, there's little to lose with keeping faith and letting him show what he can do (as much as I'd like to see him help at the league run). So I don't see him being released.

I really hope Ross Byrne is released for the Leinster games. Hard to see how he's benefitting being Ireland's #3 right now if he can't get out to play for Leinster and when he does he's been playing 12 or 13. He's only had 120 minutes this year at 10.

sebdavis · 15-03-2021 6:00pm

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

I don't think so. They haven't brought Stockdale in to date when they could have.

I don't think dropping Lowe is going to help him improve and at this stage of the championship, there's little to lose with keeping faith and letting him show what he can do (as much as I'd like to see him help at the league run). So I don't see him being released.

I really hope Ross Byrne is released for the Leinster games. Hard to see how he's benefitting being Ireland's #3 right now if he can't get out to play for Leinster and when he does he's been playing 12 or 13. He's only had 120 minutes this year at 10.

Stockdale was called up to the squad last week.

With the throw out on the full towards end of Scotland game I think they would be better to give him a rest for the England game.

Exclamation Marc · 15-03-2021 6:07pm

sebdavis wrote: »

Stockdale was called up to the squad last week.

With the throw out on the full towards end of Scotland game I think they would be better to give him a rest for the England game.

I meant called into the matchday squad.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I just expect Farrell to stick with him in some capacity.

So to keep this Leinster related, I can't see him back for the Pro14 games

sebdavis · 15-03-2021 6:40pm

Exclamation Marc wrote: »

I meant called into the matchday squad.

I'm not saying it's not possible, I just expect Farrell to stick with him in some capacity.

So to keep this Leinster related, I can't see him back for the Pro14 games

Due to the short turn around I would expect some players will be rested, Lowe could be one. Which would mean if not in match day squad he could be ready for the Pro14 final. Wishful thinking maybe

salmocab · 15-03-2021 6:49pm

Liv Prickly Millipede wrote: »

Tbh I think we're ok without Ringrose, Henshaw moves out one and Frawley/RB/ROL slots into 12 as has happened before.

Ryan is a big blow. Baird will start I guess with Fardy or Toner.

Forwards we have, backs is where we’re tight for players over the next few weeks.

molloyjh · 15-03-2021 6:55pm

So Ospreys....we're probably looking good at something like:

Dooley Sheehan Clarkson
Dunne Molony
Murphy Ruddock Penny

Osbourne HByrne
Frawley ROL
Kearney O'Reilly Osborne

Tracy, Hanan, Bent, Toner, Fardy, Soroka, HOS, Corkery

I'm assuming VDF will be back up to the Irish squad with Beirne moving to lock and POM coming back into the 23. We can't afford any more injuries in the backs. It's a f-ing joke at this stage. Our injury list now is:

Milne, Cronin, Abdaladze, Ryan, Leavy, Deegan, Doris, McGrath, Hawkshaw, Ringrose, TOB, JOB, COB, A Byrne, Kelleher & who knows how many other Academy guys at this stage.

Add that to the guys with Ireland:
Healy, E Byrne, Kelleher, Furlong, Porter, Baird, Connors, VDF, Conan, JGP, Sexton, R Byrne, Henshaw, Larmour, Keenan & Lowe

Thats 31 players not including guys like Silvester or Turner who might be injured and in line to make an appearance. That's insane.

aloooof · 15-03-2021 7:01pm

sebdavis wrote: »

Due to the short turn around I would expect some players will be rested, Lowe could be one. Which would mean if not in match day squad he could be ready for the Pro14 final. Wishful thinking maybe

I don't wish to drag this off topic, but if Lowe doesn't make the 15 or 23 for Ireland next week, I think it's extremely generous to think it's because he's being rested.

armchaircoach · 15-03-2021 9:10pm

It will be quite annoying to have performed so well all season, and then potentialy loose two key matches due to massive injury/unavaiability crisis.

What do people think the chances are of there being some relaxing of the rules to allow the internationals back for these matches?

molloyjh · 15-03-2021 9:12pm

armchaircoach wrote: »

It will be quite annoying to have performed so well all season, and then potentialy loose two key matches due to massive injury/unavaiability crisis.

What do people think the chances are of there being some relaxing of the rules to allow the internationals back for these matches?

Slim with the HEC games right after. It's been a fairly busy schedule for internationals as it is.

sebdavis · 15-03-2021 9:14pm

armchaircoach wrote: »

It will be quite annoying to have performed so well all season, and then potentialy loose two key matches due to massive injury/unavaiability crisis.

What do people think the chances are of there being some relaxing of the rules to allow the internationals back for these matches?

The internationals have spare games as they haven't played in Europe. The issue is playing 4 weekends in a row, Scotland, England, Pro14, Europe. That's my understanding.
Playing 4 huge games in a row would be a serious ask.

Dubinusa · 15-03-2021 9:59pm

I just thought that as this could be the last opportunity for some of the lads to win silverware, the team v Munster could possibly contain Cronin: Toner, Fardy and of course Bent. Thoughts?

molloyjh · 15-03-2021 10:00pm

sebdavis wrote: »

The internationals have spare games as they haven't played in Europe. The issue is playing 4 weekends in a row, Scotland, England, Pro14, Europe. That's my understanding.
Playing 4 huge games in a row would be a serious ask.

They also played games earlier in the "season" to finish off last season. So since the resumption they'd have played 2 or 3 of last seasons games, 1 or 2 early Pro14, 2 HEC games, 2 interpros, 2 2020 6Ns games, 3 ANC games and 5 2021 6Ns games. That's 17-19 games with the HEC knock outs and Rainbow Cup to come.

Clegg · 16-03-2021 12:06pm

Standers retirement will give the Munster lads some huge motivation to best us in the final.

I hope we smash them.

salmocab · 16-03-2021 12:12pm

Clegg wrote: »

Standers retirement will give the Munster lads some huge motivation to best us in the final.

I hope we smash them.

In fairness most finals are someone’s last chance to win something.

arsebiscuits1 · 16-03-2021 12:14pm

salmocab wrote: »

In fairness most finals are someone’s last chance to win something.

That's one of the more thought provoking posts I've seen recently ha.

I wonder what final in recent years was followed by no players retirements on either side.

The recent Pro14 obviously didn't see Kearney or McFadden play but they lifted the Trophy. Probably cheating a bit

One for the stats nerds for sure!

sydthebeat · 16-03-2021 12:18pm

Shalk brits and the beast?

arsebiscuits1 · 16-03-2021 12:21pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

Shalk brits and the beast?

My post was horribly worded so I edited it lol

Larbre34 · 16-03-2021 12:32pm

Standers retirement will give a Leinster backrow (take your pick) motivation to step into his Ireland jersey.

Obviously Conan is in pole position, but Penny and Deegan will licking their lips.

Stander is obviously entitled to do what he wants and is honouring his contract to the letter, but I can't help thinking its a slightly selfish approach considering the Union here gave him such a massive career, to be ducking out with the potential of these next few peak years wasted, especially in the middle of a World Cup cycle. Still, he has been considerate enough to make sure he's available for Lions selection to face his native land. Good man.

aloooof · 16-03-2021 12:41pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Stander is obviously entitled to do what he wants and is honouring his contract to the letter, but I can't help thinking its a slightly selfish approach considering the Union here gave him such a massive career, to be ducking out with the potential of these next few peak years wasted, especially in the middle of a World Cup cycle. Still, he has been considerate enough to make sure he's available for Lions selection to face his native land. Good man.

Selfish?? Na, that's nonsense, imo.

It's professional sport, and a short career in a brutally physical sport. He's given so much to Ireland and Munster, he owes us nothing and is more than entitled to go out on his own terms. And I think we should respect that rather than calling him selfish.

Buer · 16-03-2021 12:41pm

Clegg wrote: »

Standers retirement will give the Munster lads some huge motivation to best us in the final.

I hope we smash them.

They've been in this situation multiple times. It's completely overrated. Munster were hammered in POC's last game and in Donnacha Ryan's last game. Both of them contributed to Munster over a longer period and were massive players for the province.

If they beat Leinster, it will be because they played better on the day and prepared correctly. Teams can't/don't rely on this sort of stuff to be their inspiration. It wears off once the pace of the game takes over and the first few rucks are done. In fact, I'd say it can have a negative impact in some respects.

thomond2006 · 16-03-2021 12:43pm

aloooof wrote: »

Selfish?? Na, that's nonsense, imo.

It's professional sport, and a short career in a brutally physical sport. He's given so much to Ireland and Munster, he owes us nothing and is more than entitled to go out on his own terms. And I think we should respect that rather than calling him selfish.

An out of contract player opts to not sign a new contract.

How very dare him.

arsebiscuits1 · 16-03-2021 12:44pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Standers retirement will give a Leinster backrow (take your pick) motivation to step into his Ireland jersey.

Obviously Conan is in pole position, but Penny and Deegan will licking their lips.

Stander is obviously entitled to do what he wants and is honouring his contract to the letter, but I can't help thinking its a slightly selfish approach considering the Union here gave him such a massive career, to be ducking out with the potential of these next few peak years wasted, especially in the middle of a World Cup cycle. Still, he has been considerate enough to make sure he's available for Lions selection to face his native land. Good man.

Eh Doris is in pole position to take the Irish 8 jersey both before and after CJs retirement.

And this is the opposite of selfish.

CJ has put his family first. When it comes down to it family is all that matters. He doesn't owe anyone jack **** if it means acting in the best interest of his family.

yerrahbah · 16-03-2021 12:44pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Standers retirement will give a Leinster backrow (take your pick) motivation to step into his Ireland jersey.

Obviously Conan is in pole position, but Penny and Deegan will licking their lips.

Stander is obviously entitled to do what he wants and is honouring his contract to the letter, but I can't help thinking its a slightly selfish approach considering the Union here gave him such a massive career, to be ducking out with the potential of these next few peak years wasted, especially in the middle of a World Cup cycle. Still, he has been considerate enough to make sure he's available for Lions selection to face his native land. Good man.

Very selfish of him to put his family first

Larbre34 · 16-03-2021 12:47pm

Its just an opinion. I will say though, I am very glad this era of the "project player" is coming to an end.

16-03-2021 12:57pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Standers retirement will give a Leinster backrow (take your pick) motivation to step into his Ireland jersey.

Obviously Conan is in pole position, but Penny and Deegan will licking their lips.

Stander is obviously entitled to do what he wants and is honouring his contract to the letter, but I can't help thinking its a slightly selfish approach considering the Union here gave him such a massive career, to be ducking out with the potential of these next few peak years wasted, especially in the middle of a World Cup cycle. Still, he has been considerate enough to make sure he's available for Lions selection to face his native land. Good man.

The state of this. Would you ever cop on.

Clegg · 16-03-2021 1:03pm

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Eh Doris is in pole position to take the Irish 8 jersey both before and after CJs retirement.

And this is the opposite of selfish.

CJ has put his family first. When it comes down to it family is all that matters. He doesn't owe anyone jack **** if it means acting in the best interest of his family.

Very true. He'd already taken it before his concussion problems. Hopefully Doris doesn't have any long term issues with concussion as I think he's a future 100 cap player for Ireland.

Yeah_Right · 16-03-2021 1:15pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Its just an opinion. I will say though, I am very glad this era of the "project player" is coming to an end.

And the truth comes out.

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