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Covid & Irish Politics

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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    And considering that in employment settings, Employers may not in any circumstances ask employees about their vaccination status, I hardly expect a huge buy-in from Joe Public to disclosing that to pub and restaurant staff.
    The employer has a right to ask. It's just that the employee isn't obligated to tell them the answer.

    The same protection doesn't apply to the patrons of a restaurant or a pub. Owners are entitled to limit admission on grounds of public health, say by requesting sight of a green certificate/ vaccine passport.


  • #53
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,291 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    I think you underestimate the level of demand out there for a big bowl of Tribeca chicken wings.


    That's surely sarcasm? It actually wouldn't surprise me if people were seriously talking about 'Tony' for president, I'm afraid.

    I see a minority of people constantly fawning over the guy on the likes of Twitter. I don't get it. There was a big political story in the UK about the shambles they made when transferring elderly hospital patients to nursing homes and the subsequent excessive rates of death in those nursing homes. Barely a miog about it here, although at one point nursing-home deaths constituted one-third of all Covid deaths here.


    Never forget he also has cervical check still hanging over him, its gonna take a lot for the women of ireland to forgive him for that one


  • #54
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,354 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    The employer has a right to ask. It's just that the employee isn't obligated to tell them the answer.

    The same protection doesn't apply to the patrons of a restaurant or a pub. Owners are entitled to limit admission on grounds of public health, say by requesting sight of a green certificate/ vaccine passport.

    Considering the system hasn't been developed yet, I'm not sure how you can say that with such certainty. (and by the way you're wrong, no, an employer may not ask your vaccine status any more than your marital status or sexual orientation)

    In any case, the question them becomes, how much trade will be lost to those who either aren't yet vaccinated or are, quite reasonably, unwilling to volunteer the information.


  • #55
    [Deleted User]
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    Larbre34 wrote: »
    Considering the system hasn't been developed yet, I'm not sure how you can say that with such certainty. (and by the way you're wrong, no, an employer may not ask your vaccine status any more than your marital status or sexual orientation)
    .
    Vaccination isn't a protected status like gender, sexual orientation or disability. There have been countless experts on current affairs radio and TV pointing out that whilst an employer may ask, an employee is not obliged to answer.

    In practice, most employers will probably ask and most employees will just answer.


  • #56
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,354 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Vaccination isn't a protected status like gender, sexual orientation or disability. There have been countless experts on current affairs radio and TV pointing out that whilst an employer may ask, an employee is not obliged to answer.

    In practice, most employers will probably ask and most employees will just answer.

    I'm not interested in talking heads. My advice, and as an employer I have asked specifically, from one of the larger Dublin legal houses is that the grounds of disability, be it illness or vulnerability, temporary or permanent, provides protection to the employee in that regard and that the employer even asking is discriminatory.

    We may not ask, we may not attempt to find out serrepticiously and we may not segregate work spaces in any way based on vaccine status, known or deduced.

    You feel free to test it if you'd like.


  • #57
    Roanmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,801 ✭✭✭Roanmore


    Larbre34 wrote: »
    I'm not interested in talking heads. My advice, and as an employer I have asked specifically, from one of the larger Dublin legal houses is that the grounds of disability, be it illness or vulnerability, temporary or permanent, provides protection to the employee in that regard and that the employer even asking is discriminatory.

    We may not ask, we may not attempt to find out serrepticiously and we may not segregate work spaces in any way based on vaccine status, known or deduced.

    You feel free to test it if you'd like.

    This is the advice I've been getting as well, we can't ask.


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