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Bryson DeChambeau

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 77 ✭✭Matmania


    Yes he has. And i'm sure other's are looking at what he's done and may think it's the way to go. 340 average drive would ruin the game imo. Second shot's would just be wedges short irons. Game would become like pitch and putt. The average drive has gone up massively over the years. They need to do something. Even the shorter hitters are averaging in and around 290 off the tee. Webb Simpson currently stands at 100 in driving distance on the pga. His average drive is 297.5 yards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    He deserves it , he has moved the game forward substantially with his ideas and generated interest and colour .

    Not sure if he has moved the game forward substantially imo but he has definitely generated lots of interest and I think that's good to see.

    The attention he has gotten is a little OTT imo, it's as if he had won the first two events. Both winners we very regularly built guys.

    I'll be following with interest all the same. It will be interesting for me to see how he handles all this bulk he has put on and see what effect it has on his body/injuries down the line.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 77 ✭✭Matmania


    Yes the injuries down the line could be a worry alright. Very interested to see how he go's in the masters. Masters the par fives play a big part. Wide fairways so it could be a big advantage. When Bubba won twice he had success on the par fives. I remember one of the par fives he took it over the trees and had a wedge in. That's a massive help. I think Byrson is looking at the master's in particular with the change's hes made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    PARlance wrote: »
    Bryson has had a good start to the resumption of the PGA Tour.

    He has, I looked at something today and it said his overall strokes gained this season is 55, so for all the rounds he has played this season he is 55 shots better off than before. impressive. I don't fully understand strokes gained though so I could be picking this up wrong. wouldn't be like me to misunderstand something :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭BoldReason


    etxp wrote: »
    He has, I looked at something today and it said his overall strokes gained this season is 55, so for all the rounds he has played this season he is 55 shots better off than before. impressive. I don't fully understand strokes gained though so I could be picking this up wrong. wouldn't be like me to misunderstand something :P

    Strokes gained is a measurement against the field average not against himself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    BoldReason wrote: »
    Strokes gained is a measurement against the field average not against himself.

    So he has gained 55 strokes on the field this season?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    He deserves it , he has moved the game forward substantially with his ideas and generated interest and colour .

    Have to disagree with this 100 %
    He's a cheat with his time keeping and disregard for the rules, as for moving the game forward, how exactly has he moved it forward from the likes of Tiger, Dustin and Rory ?
    Going from an athlete pre lockdown to a porker post lockdown is hardly progressive.
    An extra 10 yards for a heart attack, yay


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    Matmania wrote: »
    Yes the injuries down the line could be a worry alright. Very interested to see how he go's in the masters. Masters the par fives play a big part. Wide fairways so it could be a big advantage. When Bubba won twice he had success on the par fives. I remember one of the par fives he took it over the trees and had a wedge in. That's a massive help. I think Byrson is looking at the master's in particular with the change's hes made.

    the course suits lefties to hit big fades off the tee, that has more to do with it than length


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭BoldReason


    etxp wrote: »
    So he has gained 55 strokes on the field this season?

    Yes I haven't seen the table you are referring to in a while but that seems fairly reasonable. That will be including every round he played.

    So for example if he played 10 rounds he would be picking up 5.5 shots on average per round. That table should also give you the rounds played number for more clarity on it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 Fred_


    For those saying he had moved the game on... How has he moved it on any more than Tiger / Daly when they came in to the scene with massive power advantages? Similar could be said of Nicklaus. Power is, was and always will be an advantage but he's not unique in having a power avantage.

    The most surprising thing for me is that he is fairly accurate considering the big gains.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 346 ✭✭thegolfer


    Fred_ wrote: »
    For those saying he had moved the game on... How has he moved it on any more than Tiger / Daly when they came in to the scene with massive power advantages? Similar could be said of Nicklaus. Power is, was and always will be an advantage but he's not unique in having a power avantage.

    The most surprising thing for me is that he is fairly accurate considering the big gains.

    His thinking is along the lines of:

    Has a stable up down simple swing.
    Added speed promotes an element of deviation, thus to stabilize that he adds weight, bulks up.
    Heavier, fast moving objects less prone to speed wobbles.
    This translates to more distance and retention of accuracy.

    Sounds like a scientists thinking to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 Fred_


    thegolfer wrote: »
    His thinking is along the lines of:

    Has a stable up down simple swing.
    Added speed promotes an element of deviation, thus to stabilize that he adds weight, bulks up.
    Heavier, fast moving objects less prone to speed wobbles.
    This translates to more distance and retention of accuracy.

    Sounds like a scientists thinking to me.

    Interesting. He's not the first golfer to add weight. Harrington did it a few years back. Also the likes of Nicklaus and Duval lost weight. Is every golfer going to start pulling on the kilos?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    Fred_ wrote: »
    Interesting. He's not the first golfer to add weight. Harrington did it a few years back. Also the likes of Nicklaus and Duval lost weight. Is every golfer going to start pulling on the kilos?

    Shane Lowry will be chuffed


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 19,196 Mod ✭✭✭✭slave1


    Okay, enough of the Lowry weight jibes, we're sick of it at this stage


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,478 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    thegolfer wrote: »
    His thinking is along the lines of:

    Has a stable up down simple swing.
    Added speed promotes an element of deviation, thus to stabilize that he adds weight, bulks up.
    Heavier, fast moving objects less prone to speed wobbles.
    This translates to more distance and retention of accuracy.

    Sounds like a scientists thinking to me.

    This is exactly what he has done , applied brainpower to the issues ie clubs the same length for consistency of swing , first player in generations to think laterally about the game and its processes .


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    This is exactly what he has done , applied brainpower to the issues ie clubs the same length for consistency of swing , first player in generations to think laterally about the game and its processes .

    I dont think there is any real science it. He is just following a fad thing. Its only a step removed from aimpoint, stack and tilt, or putting a line on the ball for putting. But golfers have always been suckers for stuff with no scientific basis what so ever like beleving in the gold at the end of a rainbow. In his case, its just wrapped in a scientific flavoured wrapper. Science involves testing a theory, proving it, and it standing up to criticism. He is just a guy with a gimmick. Add in commentators who are happy to big up the guy with a science degree as the Einstein of golf. If there was anything too it, you would have loads of lads at it, and it would be the new way to swing. But no. Its not for the first, second, or third time it has been tried either, and has always just died off.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 77 ✭✭Matmania


    Well the man has the same sized clubs for everything. Also he has done homework on the long drive etc. To say it is a fad is a load of nonsense. This guy is trying something different same size clubs all clubs. If you have played the game his swing is different anyone saying anything else dont know golf. Its a totally different swing to the pros. And if u disagree if you play the game post your swing. Its different, He will win the /masters thats why he done it. Heres is my bets i had lucas glover 175/1 us open er els 50 /1 british open woodland us open 50/1 etc bubba both masters. Webb Last week. Guy who lost in the play off 2 weeks ago. On xanader this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,337 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    Not sure his short game/chipping is up to winning the Masters myself but if Danny Willett can get a green jacket....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Matmania wrote: »
    Well the man has the same sized clubs for everything. Also he has done homework on the long drive etc. To say it is a fad is a load of nonsense. This guy is trying something different same size clubs all clubs. If you have played the game his swing is different anyone saying anything else dont know golf. Its a totally different swing to the pros. And if u disagree if you play the game post your swing. Its different, He will win the /masters thats why he done it. Heres is my bets i had lucas glover 175/1 us open er els 50 /1 british open woodland us open 50/1 etc bubba both masters. Webb Last week. Guy who lost in the play off 2 weeks ago. On xanader this week.

    The whiff of whiskey off that post!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 77 ✭✭Matmania


    Well a guy using the same size clubs for me is something different. Don't know anyone doing that. Also trying to increase ball speed to a limit where accuracy is not effected is different. It may not work but it's different. Interesting to see how the rest of year go's.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    Well holy God. 374 yards there on the 13th. A 399 par four and he gust has a greenside pitch in. 5 of his drives were beyond 350 yards. And he didnt even try every time. He did throttle back for placement on a few holes to 290yards with his 'shorter' sticks. But stock drive is now 340 something and more in the tank when he wants.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    From will gray on twitter; Spoke to Bryson. He took issue with cameraman following him especially closely after he splashed sand in anger near 7 green.

    "I think we need to start protecting our players out here compared to showing a potential vulnerability and hurting someone's image."

    More from Bryson, who explained his on-course frustration as a sign that he "cares a lot about the game."

    "As much as we're out here performing, I think it's necessary that we have our times of privacy as well when things aren't going our way."

    What a load of rubbish. An absolute whinging child. And this is why he’s not likable. For a lad who is seeking a lot of attention lately with his weight gain, extra length and comments on old courses he wants his privacy in a public sport!! Look at me look at me look at me; wait don’t. Such a clown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    From will gray on twitter; Spoke to Bryson. He took issue with cameraman following him especially closely after he splashed sand in anger near 7 green.

    "I think we need to start protecting our players out here compared to showing a potential vulnerability and hurting someone's image."

    More from Bryson, who explained his on-course frustration as a sign that he "cares a lot about the game."

    "As much as we're out here performing, I think it's necessary that we have our times of privacy as well when things aren't going our way."

    What a load of rubbish. An absolute whinging child. And this is why he’s not likable. For a lad who is seeking a lot of attention lately with his weight gain, extra length and comments on old courses he wants his privacy in a public sport!! Look at me look at me look at me; wait don’t. Such a clown.

    Is he actually saying "look at me" though?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭Benicetomonty




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,841 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Bit grim really - Career kicking into gear and there’s already going to be a media agenda against him to paint him to be an asshole etc.

    It’s fairly sad really but a reality of media.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    I dont think that fair really. There has been nothing up to this really and he was offside yesterday and its not fair either to be accusing the media of something their going to do when they havent dont it yet. Media has been very friendly to him since he came out and bigged up him big time on his science/engineering/physics (depending on the commentator) degree that he has as if that something so special and so he has figured out golf like an equation. And the single length irons thing. It was a novelty and he is doing very very well, but it has gained him lots of attention, most in the fair play to him style. And Hogan, sorry Mr. Hogan worship and the modern fundamentals and the cap thing. Its all fine. But he was bang out of order yesterday and it did show someone more concerned with his immage and in a totally irrational and unreasonable way (hey - only show my good stuff please!), so he deserves some criticism for it today. If thats the end of it, and it may be, then move on. No need to make a thing of it. I do have a feeling this lad is heading for world number one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


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    Drives so far. Impressive

    Realitve to McIlroy would not have though of that stat they put up there that if he closes this one out he will be the only one to join Thomas, Johnson and Koepka as the only players to win 6 tournaments on the US tour in the last four years. So thats just not a good four weeks and coming back pumped, hes seriously on that track to be number one for a while and despite Rorys ranking, Dechambeau looks the best out there. Playing three weeks and needing a break from McIlroy isnt going to cut Id say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭BoldReason


    362


    Realitve to McIlroy would not have though of that stat they put up there that if he closes this one out he will be the only one to join Thomas, Johnson and Koepka as the only players to win 6 tournaments on the US tour in the last four years.

    What does this sentence mean? I can't seem to translate it. I take it English isn't your first language? Could you use shorter sentences maybe it might help.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    Playing three weeks and needing a break from McIlroy isnt going to cut Id say.

    Bringing everything back to McIlroy. He will go away and work on his game

    That is a ridiculous statement

    You do realise how the rankings work? Unless he is willing to play more than 52 comps over 2 years then no advantage

    And in fact a disadvantage as he has now won with a much lower points


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    BoldReason wrote: »
    What does this sentence mean? I can't seem to translate it. I take it English isn't your first language? Could you use shorter sentences maybe it might help.

    Sorry lad, what I mean is that while McIlroy might be number one on the world rankings when you just look at simple wins on tour which is really the name of the game, then those are the four main men. So that Dechambeau is heading for number one is no surprise, and those are three who have also been number one in those years - apart from McIlroy. Which while he has had a few wins, shows that he has a problem not just with winning majors but with winning anything. Sorry its long to explain but I think theres some truth in that point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    Like thats a 471 yard hole. Almost a par 5 in old money. And hes just 98 yards for his second so fair play and all but that only a gentle pitch for him. So the longest par 4 isnt really a par 4 anymore. Its got to stop.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    Did he even hit, or how many times, his 4-9 irons this week outside par trees ? Thats the real measure that a part of golf has become obsolete.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭BoldReason


    Which while he has had a few wins, shows that he has a problem not just with winning majors but with winning anything.

    Not sure what it has to do with McIlroy but he has won more than any of those lads in last year. I'm confused as to what point you are trying to make with wins. McIlroy won 4 times in 2019.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,016 ✭✭✭bren2001


    Sorry lad, what I mean is that while McIlroy might be number one on the world rankings when you just look at simple wins on tour which is really the name of the game, then those are the four main men. So that Dechambeau is heading for number one is no surprise, and those are three who have also been number one in those years - apart from McIlroy. Which while he has had a few wins, shows that he has a problem not just with winning majors but with winning anything. Sorry its long to explain but I think theres some truth in that point.

    Rory has 18 wins on the PGA tour which is the 3rd highest of active players behind Tiger (82) and DJ (21). He doesn't have a "few" wins. 4 majors wins indicates that he doesn't have an issue winning majors either.

    Bryson has unbelievable talent and potential but winning the Rocket Mortgage Classic proves nothing. He's yet to win a major and we've seen better players take years to win their first or never win one. He's not world number 1 and nowhere close to it yet either. Lets see how long this streak lasts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,862 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    bren2001 wrote: »
    Bryson has unbelievable talent and potential but winning the Rocket Mortgage Classic proves nothing. He's yet to win a major and we've seen better players take years to win their first or never win one.

    He hasn't even come close to contending in a major iirc. I doubt his bomb and gouge game will work at either of the opens and I'm not sure he's a good enough putter to contend regularly at Augusta. He could be a threat at the PGA though I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Sorry lad, what I mean is that while McIlroy might be number one on the world rankings when you just look at simple wins on tour which is really the name of the game, then those are the four main men. So that Dechambeau is heading for number one is no surprise, and those are three who have also been number one in those years - apart from McIlroy. Which while he has had a few wins, shows that he has a problem not just with winning majors but with winning anything. Sorry its long to explain but I think theres some truth in that point.

    Bizarre comment considering this is Bryson's first win in 18 months (McIlroy has won 4 times in that period), and his first PGA Tour win since 2018.

    Some people get overly excited by hot streaks on here. It will be somebody else next week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭BoldReason


    NDWC wrote: »
    He hasn't even come close to contending in a major iirc. I doubt his bomb and gouge game will work at either of the opens and I'm not sure he's a good enough putter to contend regularly at Augusta. He could be a threat at the PGA though I think.

    Nothing wrong with his putting in fairness. May look strange but he ranked 2nd in putting this week and 20 or so on the season so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    NDWC wrote: »
    He hasn't even come close to contending in a major iirc. I doubt his bomb and gouge game will work at either of the opens and I'm not sure he's a good enough putter to contend regularly at Augusta. He could be a threat at the PGA though I think.

    His putting has been very impressive, one of the best over the last few weeks anyway. His approach play cost him in the previous tournaments.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭gypsy79


    BoldReason wrote: »
    Not sure what it has to do with McIlroy but he has won more than any of those lads in last year. I'm confused as to what point you are trying to make with wins. McIlroy won 4 times in 2019.

    He is obsessed with Rory....I think he is banned from that thread!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I don't think he's going to take over the golfing world, he's on a hot streak thats all. But I do take two things from his recent success.

    Driving distances get sillier all the time. Someone will always push it farther. Unless we want pro golf to become a game of boom and pitch/chip somethings gotta be done about that. Do something with the ball or similar. Golf is interesting because of its multitude of challenges. Boom and chip is not interesting to watch.

    I don't envy him his success, fair play, here is a man of conviction and dedication. But between his thick neck gorilla look and his ungainly looking action (and his slow play) I will never like watching him. In fact if all golf swings looked like his I'd give up watching golf altogether.


  • Registered Users Posts: 738 ✭✭✭Whiplash85


    Could he overpower Augusta? It seems to be laid out to prevent that from happening. Most holes call for a shape to the shot. I think whatever golf authorities do from here on in the first rule should be no driver with loft less than 10 degrees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Whiplash85 wrote: »
    Could he overpower Augusta? It seems to be laid out to prevent that from happening. Most holes call for a shape to the shot. I think whatever golf authorities do from here on in the first rule should be no driver with loft less than 10 degrees.

    You don't need to shape it if you can go over though!

    10* limit would impact the amateur game too...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    I don't thing any other tweaks are needed other than a shortening of the ball. That would sort the problem. They can make a ball no problem that takes 10 or 15 or whatever percent is decided off the distance the ball will go for every body's hit of today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭DuckSlice


    I don't thing any other tweaks are needed other than a shortening of the ball. That would sort the problem. They can make a ball no problem that takes 10 or 15 or whatever percent is decided off the distance the ball will go for every body's hit of today.

    How does this take the advantage away from long hitters?

    I'm not fully convinced anything needs to be done tbh. The average distance on tour is still below 300 yards I think. There is only 15 or so players that average better than 310. Dialing back the distance is just going to make it unfair on the average hitters.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    etxp wrote: »
    How does this take the advantage away from long hitters?
    It doesnt and shouldnt, thats the point.
    If you take 20% off the ball then everyone moves back, long is still long and short is still short (although not actually as short as before)
    I'm not fully convinced anything needs to be done tbh. The average distance on tour is still below 300 yards I think. There is only 15 or so players that average better than 310. Dialing back the distance is just going to make it unfair on the average hitters.

    It needs to be done to make the game more interesting and to make more courses interesting to play and watch.
    Forget the idea of dialing back the long guys to make it "fair", its nothing to do with that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,862 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Exactly, I'd much rather see guys hitting a drive and a 5 wood into a par 5 green and holing a putt for eagle rather than smashing a driver 360 into the rough and bludgeoning a 9 iron from there. Make them work for it a bit.

    I remember hearing DJ say he barely knows the distance he hits a 3 and 4 iron because he uses them so rarely. Sums it up really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    NDWC wrote: »
    Exactly, I'd much rather see guys hitting a drive and a 5 wood into a par 5 green and holing a putt for eagle rather than smashing a driver 360 into the rough and bludgeoning a 9 iron from there. Make them work for it a bit.

    I remember hearing DJ say he barely knows the distance he hits a 3 and 4 iron because he uses them so rarely. Sums it up really.

    Yeah, or "whats a fairway wood? When would I ever need to hit that!"

    I just think bringing back the distances would mean we would see more skill, more shaping, more spin control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,092 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    From the 14th June 2010 to 5th July 2020 DeChambeau played four tournaments, finishing 3rd, 8th, 6th, 1st.
    He had 14 rounds between 64 and 68 and two rounds of 70.
    He was 69 under par in those four tournaments.
    1 shot behind in 3rd; 5 shots behind in 8th; 4 shots behind in 6th; 1st by 3 shots.

    In the three tournaments before that in Feb/Mar 2020 he was 5th, 2nd, 4th.

    In 2020 he is 1st in driving distance, 112th in driving accuracy, 6th in greens in regulation.

    Stevie Wonder could see there has been a physical change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    Don't like him at all, an immature child, roid rage goon, most of his drives are 350 yards but wildly inaccurate, gets away with it on generic US courses. Took a dislike to him when Richard McEvoy won the European open, and he sulked. **** wedge player too, and a flukey putter. Pga drug testing has to come in, protein shakes, yeah right


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