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Internet Porn and Minors!

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  • #62
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »
    You could release software that makes accessing porn and dodgy sites harder to get to.

    It would certainly cut out any accidental porn finds.

    Education will help too.

    Using OpenDNS will do that and costs nothing. Age verification wont solve anything. It'll be easily bypassed, mark my words.


  • #63
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Its very nuanced, for example, 30 or 40 years ago it was common to see parents smoking around children or to see children being given a slap in public and no one thought anything of it. Any parent who smoked arond children or who slaps them in public today would be shamed or judged and this is enough of a deterrent so that for some parents smoking around children or slaping them in public is rare, of course, there are parents who do the right thing because it is the right thing to do.

    It would be nice to think that people do the right thing for the right reason but sometimes they do the right thing because they are nudged into it or becaue they will be judged for it.

    Banning smartphone for children will not work but a little bit judging of parents could change the culture so that eventually it would be rare for parents to give children unmonitored access to smartphones.


  • #64
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    cgcsb wrote: »

    As a person resident in Ireland I could set up a website, accessible from the UK, that effectively rebroadcasts pornhub for example, I could charge half whatever the card cost and have a nice life for myself on the costa del sol. The site would be blocked, just set up another. infinite riches :D


    Pretty much what drug dealers do, should we roll over for that cartel and tear down our criminal justice system?


  • #65
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Using OpenDNS will do that and costs nothing. Age verification wont solve anything. It'll be easily bypassed, mark my words.


    Easily bypassed by a few maybe, same way a few people get away with driving with no tax & insurance on their cars, should we do away with tax & insurance?


  • #66
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,643 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Easily bypassed by a few maybe, same way a few people get away with driving with no tax & insurance on their cars, should we do away with tax & insurance?

    How hard do you think it would be? What percentage of teenagers do you think would know how to bypass filters using a VPN or an alternative browser like TOR?


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  • #67
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Teenagers will always find a way around things thats why technology is not the answer its has to become the culture that children are not given access to smartphones and if they are, they are heavily monitored they might get around the monitoring but at the very least its a signal of what is expected form them.


  • #68
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What pwrcentage of teenagers do you think would know how to bypass filters using a VPN or an alternative browser like TOR?


    The bulk of teen internet usage is now on phones & tablet, spend time with teenagers, most know the main sites, facebook, youtube etc., some will know what putlocker is, even some will know how to download torrents, but the majority aren't that clued up on vpn's and certainly not on the likes of TOR. again I'll use tax & insurance on cars, it's easy enough to go on facebook, look up "gardai checkpoints", and plan your journey accordingly, and through that some savvy individuals can drive around untaxed & uninsured indefinitely, does that mean we should all do it?


  • #69
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,643 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    The bulk of teen internet usage is now on phones & tablet, spend time with teenagers, most know the main sites, facebook, youtube etc., some will know what putlocker is, even some will know how to download torrents, but the majority aren't that clued up on vpn's and certainly not on the likes of TOR. again I'll use tax & insurance on cars, it's easy enough to go on facebook, look up "gardai checkpoints", and plan your journey accordingly, and through that some savvy individuals can drive around untaxed & uninsured indefinitely, does that mean we should all do it?

    You are seriously deluded if you think kids these days are not "clued up" on these, the few who are not would soon be educated by their peers if such a ban/passport were to be implemented.


  • #70
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    You are seriously deluded if you think kids these days are not "clued up" on these, the few who are not would soon be educated by their peers if such a ban/passport were to be implemented.


    I'm not, you greatly overestimate the knowledge of how the internet works that kids have, it's like saying everyone who drives a car knows the ins and outs of an internal combustion engine. Kids are causal users, they know snapchat, facebook & whatsapp like the back of their hand yes, but you're confusing ease of use with in depth knowledge.


  • #71
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    InTheShadows wrote: »
    I'll be honest i stopped watching online porn some time ago because i was feeling more and more uneasy about what i was witnessing. We've got to a place where a guy choking a woman with his penis or a group of 10 or more men having sex with a woman is normalized. Also the obsession with making girls look as young as possible is rather bizarre.

    How is the above normalised? You are the one that clicked on the videos and chose to watch them.
    El_Bee wrote: »
    Extreme porn has existed since the birth of celluloid, and again we're not talking about adults, we're talking about children, and the effect of hardcore pornography on the minds of 10- 13 year old children for example. Quite frankly I'm amazed by the pushback on this.

    Can you link me to any peer reviewed studies that illustrates the effect of porn on teenagers that would justify banning porn? Genuine question as you seem to be very pro a ban being introduced.


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  • #72
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,643 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    I'm not, you greatly overestimate the knowledge of how the internet works that kids have, it's like saying everyone who drives a car knows the ins and outs of an internal combustion engine. Kids are causal user, you're confusing ease of use with in depth knowledge.

    Ah would you stop!


  • #73
    Gimme A Pound
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,482 ✭✭✭Gimme A Pound


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I watched a bit of porn when i was 13/14 and probably had a good fap in the process. A friend used to find his parents stash and when they were out we’d all go around to his house for a matinee. I’m 48 now and it never done me any harm. Those kids were born evil bast*rds.
    I'm willing to bet that that porn was not extremely dark, depicting violence and degradation.

    Why such resistance to actually really young kids having their access to the above restricted? :confused:


  • #74
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Can you link me to any peer reviewed studies that illustrates the effect of porn on teenagers that would justify banning porn? Genuine question as you seem to be very pro a ban being introduced.


    No one said anything about banning porn, you're coming from an intellectually dishonest position from the get go, so why would I do the legwork for you?.


  • #75
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ah would you stop!


    Stop what?


  • #76
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    El_Bee wrote: »
    I'm not, you greatly overestimate the knowledge of how the internet works that kids have, it's like saying everyone who drives a car knows the ins and outs of an internal combustion engine.
    If I needed a car to go to where I was getting my end away, you'd be damned sure I'd learn in double quick time, or ask someone who knew already. The internet sees censorship as a fault and will route around it. Look at the Irish IPs who locked out torrent sites at the behest of government and other bodies who as usual were clueless about how this stuff works(mostly because they were unqualified and old). And yet Irish people are still downloading torrents. A goodly proportion of the threads in the TV forum hereabouts couldn't exist without illegal downloads, unless the folks over there are all Americans with subs to US Netflix, Hula and Amazon.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • #77
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,643 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    El_Bee wrote: »
    Stop what?

    :rolleyes:


  • #78
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    No one said anything about banning porn, you're coming from an intellectually dishonest position from the get go, so why would I do the legwork for you?.

    Apologies, banning porn for teenagers and thus the need for a "porn passport". Are there any studies that justify the need to do this or is it simply a knew jerk reaction a horrendous murder case?

    This just reminds me of the witch hunt around video nasties in the 80's/90's and video games more recently where studies were conducted and no proof was found that these things made kids more prone to violence.


  • #79
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Apologies, banning porn for teenagers and thus the need for a "porn passport". Are there any studies that justify the need to do this or is it simply a knew jerk reaction a horrendous murder case?

    This just reminds me of the witch hunt around video nasties in the 80's/90's and video games more recently where studies were conducted and no proof was found that these things made kids more prone to violence.


    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=studies+on+the+effect+of+pornography+on+adolecents


  • #80
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Wibbs wrote: »
    If I needed a car to go to where I was getting my end away, you'd be damned sure I'd learn in double quick time, or ask someone who knew already. The internet sees censorship as a fault and will route around it. Look at the Irish IPs who locked out torrent sites at the behest of government and other bodies who as usual were clueless about how this stuff works(mostly because they were unqualified and old). And yet Irish people are still downloading torrents. A goodly proportion of the threads in the TV forum hereabouts couldn't exist without illegal downloads, unless the folks over there are all Americans with subs to US Netflix, Hula and Amazon.


    What are the numbers now compared to when access to torrent sites were unrestricted?


  • #81
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    https://lmgtfy.com/?q=studies+on+the+effect+of+pornography+on+adolecents

    I'll take that as a no then. Thought so.


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  • #82
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm generally the last person to be calling for bans of things/asking for more government regulation/interference in our private lives, however with regards to smartphones+social media I genuinely wouldn't mind if they were completely outlawed for minors, U16 at least - regular phones are all they need/should need at that age.
    The rise of smartphones and social media's influence is starting to take effect much earlier and I have no doubt it is linked with the growing narcissism and anxiety we're seeing a lot more of in young people. Apart from maps, I can't see any marginal benefits that smartphones have over standard mobiles for children - it's the extras such as internet access, live videochatting etc which are causing most of the problems.


  • #83
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    I'll take that as a no then. Thought so.


    There are several through that link, which you probably knew already before you ever posted, I just thought I'd highlight your dishonesty one more time.


  • #84
    Yer Da sells Avon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    Panthro wrote: »
    Give them all Nokia 3310s.
    Closest thing you'll find to a boob there is (.) (.)

    NSFW post reported.


  • #85
    mariaalice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,615 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Kingp35 wrote: »
    Apologies, banning porn for teenagers and thus the need for a "porn passport". Are there any studies that justify the need to do this or is it simply a knew jerk reaction a horrendous murder case?

    This just reminds me of the witch hunt around video nasties in the 80's/90's and video games more recently where studies were conducted and no proof was found that these things made kids more prone to violence.

    Again banning it or the idea of a porn passport won't work its much more subtle than that.

    Its like underage drinking most teenagers drink underage but society still signals that the legal age of drinking is 18 because for some people alcohol is addictive.


  • #86
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    I've just checked there, the UK porn block can be bypassed in less than two minutes by googling three letters, clicking the first result, clicking download and then clicking next 3 times.

    No matter how much of an idiot you are you can do it. Once one kid figures it out it will spread across the country by word of mouth within weeks if not days.

    I'm not in the we shouldn't do anything because one thing doesn't work camp, I don't think many are, but this thing just doesn't work.


  • #87
    El_Bee
    Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭El_Bee


    GarIT wrote: »
    I've just checked there, the UK porn block can be bypassed in less than two minutes by googling three letters, clicking the first result, clicking download and then clicking next 3 times.

    No matter how much of an idiot you are you can do it. Once one kid figures it out it will spread across the country by word of mouth within weeks if not days.

    I'm not in the we shouldn't do anything because one thing doesn't work camp, I don't think many are, but this thing just doesn't work.


    As I've already said, it's very easy to look up gardai checkpoints and use that to drive around with no tax & insurance, so should we all cancel our policies? and just because their system doesn't work, why would we copy something from a country that though Brexit was a good idea anway? Are we that Dependent on the UK to show us how to wipe our arses?


  • #88
    Kingp35
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,294 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kingp35


    El_Bee wrote: »
    There are several through that link, which you probably knew already before you ever posted, I just thought I'd highlight your dishonesty one more time.

    You have absolutely no credibility at this stage. The below is from the very first link through your highlighted link.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6088458/
    Cross-sectional evidence suggests that pornography use is related to lower mental well-being among adolescents but it remains unclear if changes in well-being are related to the dynamics of pornography use within this population. We examined the relationship between pornography use, subjective well-being, symptoms of depressions and anxiety, and self-esteem in two independent panel samples (N = 455; N = 858) of Croatian adolescents using cross-lagged path analysis and lagged linear mixed models. After controlling for impulsiveness and family environment—factors that are unlikely to be influenced by pornography use—earlier levels of pornography use were not significantly associated with subsequent decreases in subjective well-being across gender and panel. However, pornography use was associated with increases in both self-esteem and symptoms of depression and anxiety, albeit only among adolescent women in one of the two panels. In addition, low subjective well-being was associated with a subsequent increase in pornography use, but only in female adolescents in one panel. This study’s results are not consistent with concerns about pornography use negatively contributing to male adolescents’ psychological well-being, but suggest potential antagonistic links between pornography use and specific facets of mental well-being in adolescent women. Such links should be considered tentative until verified with further research.

    I've highlighted the most important bit in bold for you.


  • #89
    cgcsb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,752 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Wibbs wrote: »
    If I needed a car to go to where I was getting my end away, you'd be damned sure I'd learn in double quick time, or ask someone who knew already. The internet sees censorship as a fault and will route around it. Look at the Irish IPs who locked out torrent sites at the behest of government and other bodies who as usual were clueless about how this stuff works(mostly because they were unqualified and old). And yet Irish people are still downloading torrents. A goodly proportion of the threads in the TV forum hereabouts couldn't exist without illegal downloads, unless the folks over there are all Americans with subs to US Netflix, Hula and Amazon.

    The motivation is the key. I watched internet porn in the dial up days as a young lad, dial up was a far more effective barrier than any block the UK state could come up with.


  • #90
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    El_Bee wrote: »
    What are the numbers now compared to when access to torrent sites were unrestricted?

    There are more factors than just that. Torrenting as a medium is dying as people are looking for more convenient methods even where there is no ban. In some areas usage has gone down due to the site owners being tracked down and arrested. That wouldn't be happening with a porn ban for under 18s.


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  • #91
    Seanachai
    Registered Users Posts: 2,544 ✭✭✭Seanachai


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    I'm in a group chat with a bunch of lads i grew up with (18 in the group, average age late 40's early 50's) some of the things they send to the group are shocking and believe me i have seen some sights in my lifetime so it takes a lot to shock me.

    Even if you close down every porn site there are still apps like whatsapp where content gets shared.

    There's a whole network of drug dealing done through apps now, they can't un-ring the bell with this technology


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