Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-07-2019 12:03pm

Don't want to be messing with evolution, I'm off to sh1t outside, hunt and gather my food and die from a broken leg if childbirth doesn't get me first!

Gimme A Pound · 03-07-2019 12:17pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Money.

Seems to be mostly people that will be hit in their pocket that are concerned and that concern manifests into hatred.

The rest are just comically challenged and love the ‘how do you know if someone is vegan’ gag.

They think they are the funniest, wittiest ****ers ever - even though the joke is about 15 years old!

Anyway, of course preachy aggressive vegans can be odious - like any preachy aggressive people can be - but I'm talking about the hatred of people who simply follow a vegan diet, nothing more.

wexandproud · 03-07-2019 12:32pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The seas are almost out of fish too.

And some vegans are the one's trying to convince others that's true . only a couple of months ago ices have admitted their model for calculating mackeral stocks was flawed and have revised upwards by about 2 million tonnes the stock of north east atlantic mackeral . only after sustained pressure from fisherman on the ground were seeing huge shoals of fish . Same with lots of other fish species huge stocks on the ground and being caught and thrown back dead in the name of conservation .

gormdubhgorm · 03-07-2019 12:37pm

dartboardio wrote: »

I am bombarded with facebook posts from vegan peers, convincing me to 'wake up' to what we are putting 'innocent' animals through etc etc.

Can someone please enlighten me?

I have my fair share of vegan and non vegan tips i agree and don't agree with,

However just fail to understand why there is a minority trying to change the world as we know it,

As far as I'm concerned, killing animals has gone back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue to do so, thats, in my opinion, what animals are here for.

I'm really not one of those 'anti vegan' I respect and value the information I gather from these people while I make my decision as to whether or whether not killing animals is a positive thing in terms of morals

But surely morals don't come into it? We are animals and animals are here for us to kill and eat, surely suggesting anything else is being in denial of what or who we truly are?

When down the line of humanity did all of a sudden people begin to think animals had feelings? Why are people only saying this in the last few years?

As far as I am concerned I will continue to eat, and agree with animals being eaten, for the rest of my life as will my children (if I have that influence)

At the risk of derailing the thread - it amuses me that most vegan's seem to be the 'ultra feminist pro-choice' types on the net in particular.
I would love to see statistics on how many of them are pro-choice.
They worry about the 'lovely cute defenseless innocent animals' yet at the same time they are pro-choice.
This dichotomy always amuses me - in your head you have to decide it is not human 'yet' / or for it's own good.
But on the other hand eating meat is immoral?
I don't really get it.

Good debate on it here by a vegan:

I suppose you could call me 'pro-meat choice'.
The meat is going to a 'better place' as far as I am concerned.

Personally, I view animals just as a natural food source, plus it has the natural protein iron vitamins that the vegans, will have to take artificially.
Plus humans are top of the food chain, that is the way the world works.

Also I find many of the environmental arguments of the vegans disingenuous.
As many of thier cohort are into travelling worldwide and travel by plane!
They are into nature and all that craic, yet they have to take artificial sources to supplement thier diet - made in a lab. Nothing 'natural' about that to me.

The whole thing is just gas to me, when I think about it.

Thelonious Monk · 03-07-2019 12:41pm

The absolute ridiculous assumptions about vegans made on these threads are just getting more and more ridiculous. Cyclists, pro-choice, feminists, climate change activists, anything like this are just grouped together as vegans by certain people.
I've met all walks of life throughout the years but I'm not sure if I've ever met a vegan, apparently they would have told me if they were one. Anyway, I'm having some turkey for lunch in the park now, have a nice day everyone.

_Brian · 03-07-2019 12:41pm

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

Can someone answer me this: why do some people get so upset and angry over someone being vegan? Literally just because they don't eat meat/animal products.

Someone called them guttersnipes - could anyone explain what the unadulterated rage is about?

I'm not talking about people who don't stop talking about being vegan (although that's a myth - you're far more likely to hear that tedious cliche about vegans always talking about being vegan... than to actually hear vegans always talking about being vegan) - just the hatred towards people who are vegan full stop. It's a bizarre reason to hate. I eat meat, fish, poultry, eggs, dairy - and strangers not doing so has precisely zero effect on me. It leaves more of those foods for me.

I'm not trying to be holier than thou - I just genuinely don't understand it. I get people saying they couldn't follow a vegan diet (I know I couldn't) but any negativity beyond that just for the lifestyle alone seems like misplaced anger/a bandwagon.

I’ve a problem with extremist vegan groups, your average vegan is of no interest to me, they’re just doing their own thing which is what we all have a right to do without abuse or ridicule or anybody trying to take our choices away from us.

auspicious · 03-07-2019 12:42pm

dartboardio wrote: »

But surely morals don't come into it? We are animals...

When... did people begin to think animals had feelings?...

From the get go. We have always known. It is just inconvenient for many to realise it.

Empathy is an integral cornerstone of human society. Apathy halts societal progress.

Say my name · 03-07-2019 1:06pm

Whatever about animals. I have them myself and they're contributing hugely to saving carbon in my soils. Does anyone think about the human consequences of food production?
Farms in southern Italy are being effectively worked with "slave labour" with migrants from Africa with papers held by mafia rings and sleeping in substandard labour camps to bring tomatoes worth 30cents in Tesco.
Legitimate farmers are going out of business because of people's spending habits.

gormdubhgorm · 03-07-2019 1:50pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The absolute ridiculous assumptions about vegans made on these threads are just getting more and more ridiculous. Cyclists, pro-choice, feminists, climate change activists, anything like this are just grouped together as vegans by certain people.
I've met all walks of life throughout the years but I'm not sure if I've ever met a vegan, apparently they would have told me if they were one. Anyway, I'm having some turkey for lunch in the park now, have a nice day everyone.

Ah come on there is some truth to the stereotypes - socio-economic backgrounds, worldview etc.
Most would tick certain boxes.
Any vegan I know or met ticks the majority of the sterotypes, they are all just not as vocal as the extreme groups.

Most vegans are likely most of the following - female/gay/environmentally conscious/feminist/upper middle class (they have money)/urban/animal lovers/more likely to be pro-choice imo (need stats for the last one).

Paul McCartney does not tick the first two for example, but that is the general cohort.
There are other exceptions due to dietary requirements/religion etc

Thelonious Monk · 03-07-2019 2:07pm

Say my name wrote: »

Farms in southern Italy are being effectively worked with "slave labour" with migrants from Africa with papers held by mafia rings and sleeping in substandard labour camps to bring tomatoes worth 30cents in Tesco.
Legitimate farmers are going out of business because of people's spending habits.

I honestly think people care more about animals than African slave migrants. When you have people in the media calling them "cockroaches" it just shows how they're viewed by the rich.

03-07-2019 2:25pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I honestly think people care more about animals than African slave migrants. When you have people in the media calling them "cockroaches" it just shows how they're viewed by the rich.

Not just the rich. Most people on benefits are as decent and honest as anyone can be, but there's a demographic within the whole that sees welfare as a hammock instead of a safety net, and deeply resent 'their' money benefiting migrants when they feel it should be spent on themselves. The 'they took our jobs' stereotype often applies more to the long term unemployed by choice than the working poor.

Calling human beings cockroaches says more about the person using that terminology than anything else.

ShlugEireann · 03-07-2019 2:26pm

What do vegans think of nature where larger animals eat smaller ones?

Thelonious Monk · 03-07-2019 2:27pm

ShlugEireann wrote: »

What do vegans think of nature where larger animals eat smaller ones?

Zzzzzzzz

Say my name · 03-07-2019 2:29pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I honestly think people care more about animals than African slave migrants. When you have people in the media calling them "cockroaches" it just shows how they're viewed by the rich.

That's an inadequacy in people.

There's an interesting article about it here.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/20/tomatoes-italy-mafia-migrant-labour-modern-slavery

The legitimate farmers can't post on social media for fear of having tractors and machinery stolen by the mafia's.

Boggles · 03-07-2019 2:41pm

Say my name wrote: »

Whatever about animals. I have them myself and they're contributing hugely to saving carbon in my soils. Does anyone think about the human consequences of food production?
Farms in southern Italy are being effectively worked with "slave labour" with migrants from Africa with papers held by mafia rings and sleeping in substandard labour camps to bring tomatoes worth 30cents in Tesco.
Legitimate farmers are going out of business because of people's spending habits.

Insert whatever product name you want and go back along the line and someone is getting shafted.

Doesn't have to be a 30 cent tomato either can be your €1000 phone.

Look at the clothes you are wearing and device you tapped that message out on and I guarantee some human rights abuse took place at some stage of their manufacture.

Deebles McBeebles · 03-07-2019 2:43pm

ShlugEireann wrote: »

What do vegans think of nature where larger animals eat smaller ones?

Someone never got the vegan memo about it being ok to eat little people and children.

GreeBo · 03-07-2019 2:46pm

Some things are herbivores and some are carnivores.
Woop de doo.

Try explaining veganism to a polar bear as it eats your leg.

The natural world is far more barbaric with regards to eating meat, go give them your leaflets.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-07-2019 2:54pm

Let's all go rape each other, kill each other's kids, stick our tongues up each other's arses to say hello.

Anyone has a problem with it just tell them shut up animals do it in the wild and that's a perfectly fine not idiotic argument.

GreeBo · 03-07-2019 3:02pm

Janessa Uptight Asteroid wrote: »

Let's all go rape each other, kill each other's kids, stick our tongues up each other's arses to say hello.

Anyone has a problem with it just tell them shut up animals do it in the wild and that's a perfectly fine not idiotic argument.

Lets all only eat vegetables and tell anyone eating meat that they are a murderer.

Anyone has a problem with it just tell them to shut up and that its cruel to eat meat (even though none of us would be here if our ancestors didnt eat meat.)

Deebles McBeebles · 03-07-2019 3:03pm

GreeBo wrote: »

The natural world is far more barbaric with regards to eating meat, go give them your leaflets.

They can't read.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-07-2019 3:06pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Lets all only eat vegetables and tell anyone eating meat that they are a murderer.

Anyone has a problem with it just tell them to shut up and that its cruel to eat meat (even though none of us would be here if our ancestors didnt eat meat.)

You clearly eat a lot of steak! Takes muscle to move goalposts that far that quick!

sheesh · 03-07-2019 3:10pm

dartboardio wrote: »

As far as I'm concerned, killing animals has gone back hundreds of thousands of years and will continue to do so, thats, in my opinion, what animals are here for.

I disagree I don't think animals are there for us to eat. But they are there and they are tasty

GreeBo · 03-07-2019 3:12pm

Janessa Uptight Asteroid wrote: »

You clearly eat a lot of steak! Takes muscle to move goalposts that far that quick!

So you are saying that those that dont eat meat are weak and dont have muscles?

Interesting argument in favour of veganism, but lets see how it works out for you.

dartboardio · 03-07-2019 3:16pm

Gimme A Pound wrote: »

They think they are the funniest, wittiest ****ers ever - even though the joke is about 15 years old!

Anyway, of course preachy aggressive vegans can be odious - like any preachy aggressive people can be - but I'm talking about the hatred of people who simply follow a vegan diet, nothing more.

I agree, i hate the typical 'oh vegans dont shut up etc'

I have friends who are vegan, it doesnt bother me persay, just curious as to how it came about that non vegans are 'evil' 'wrong'

Like it started with this girl im peers with, and she actively seeks out people like farmers on donedeal etc to abuse them and tell them they're evil etc then screenshots it and puts it on their instagram?

Then the opposite end of the scale you have people like Laura Young (lauras_views) on instagram who wants to advertise a 'normal' life and not be a 'preachy' vegan.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-07-2019 3:21pm

GreeBo wrote: »

So you are saying that those that dont eat meat are weak and dont have muscles?

Interesting argument in favour of veganism, but lets see how it works out for you.

No Cathy Newman, I'm not. I'm saying that you're moving the goalposts of the argument, I really didn't think anyone could fail to miss that central point of that very short simple sentence.

Mind your back there, coz you've done it again!

GreeBo · 03-07-2019 4:07pm

Janessa Uptight Asteroid wrote: »

No Cathy Newman, I'm not. I'm saying that you're moving the goalposts of the argument, I really didn't think anyone could fail to miss that central point of that very short simple sentence.

Mind your back there, coz you've done it again!

No, you literally said that I must eat a lot of steak because it would take the energy from a lot of steak to build the muscles required to move goalposts.

I didn't know veganism was linked to short term memory loss...I'd ask you did you know but you have probably already forgotten the question.

Assetbacked · 03-07-2019 4:10pm

Those that drink dairy are glugging grade a mammal oestrogen. Man boobs, less testosterone etc

Processed pork causes cancer. Too much red meat will give you a heart attack. "too much" of these meats is far less than the average person consumes so people are in denial about whether they consume too much.

Eating a cow is the same as eating any other animal so there is no right to get upset over the Chinese eating dogs.

There is no such thing as humane slaughter. It's all gratuitous and cruel. Pigs especially are horribly treated relative to their intelligence.

Caring about using plastic straws and coffee cups but not about eating fish is prime hypocrisy.

Deebles McBeebles · 03-07-2019 4:11pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Zzzzzzzz

I fully agree now.

03-07-2019 4:11pm

Janessa Uptight Asteroid wrote: »

Let's all go rape each other, kill each other's kids, stick our tongues up each other's arses to say hello.

You mean go and live outside Dublin? No thank you, Ma'am!

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 03-07-2019 4:11pm

GreeBo wrote: »

No, you literally said that I must eat a lot of steak because it would take the energy from a lot of steak to build the muscles required to move goalposts.

I didn't know veganism was linked to short term memory loss...I'd ask you did you know but you have probably already forgotten the question.

Ok!

wexandproud · 03-07-2019 4:55pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The absolute ridiculous assumptions about vegans made on these threads are just getting more and more ridiculous. Cyclists, pro-choice, feminists, climate change activists, anything like this are just grouped together as vegans by certain people.
I've met all walks of life throughout the years but I'm not sure if I've ever met a vegan, apparently they would have told me if they were one. Anyway, I'm having some turkey for lunch in the park now, have a nice day everyone.

i couldn't care less if a person is a vegan or wants to go around on all fours eating grass all day , their life their choice , and good luck to them . just don't tell me it's all about animal welfare . I'm sure there are million's of insect's killed with sprays , but they don't matter because they don't LOOK cute with big sad eyes , and what about ground nesting birds and small animals killed during harvesting.

Balanadan · 03-07-2019 5:24pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.

Dry your eyes, there's plenty more fish in the sea m8.

mdwexford · 03-07-2019 6:01pm

OP your opinion is stupid and you seem like a dope.

James Brown · 03-07-2019 6:27pm

...and wear.

Demonique · 03-07-2019 6:33pm

touts wrote: »

And I'm pretty sure 29.99% is because they can't afford meat.

A lot of it is down to their religion (can't remember which one it is) forbidding the eating of meat, I remember reading something about vegetarian landlords in India refusing to rent to meat eaters as they're morally opposed to eating meat

Hindus are also against eating cows (but eat other meat) as they consider cows to be a sacred animal

It's a very first world view point to think it's because they can't afford meat

Demonique · 03-07-2019 6:37pm

Candie wrote: »

Hindus believe that violence never brings spiritual peace, so slaughtering animals is considered wrong by many. Hindus aren't vegetarian in the way most in the West are, as they consume dairy products

Vegetarians in the west still eat dairy though, vegans are the ones who don't eat any animal products

03-07-2019 6:43pm

Nah, there are strict vegetarian who eat no animal produce and lacto-vegetarians who'll drink milk and eat cheese and yoghurt etc., and vegans who use no animal produce at all, no leather shoes, no catgut violin bows, no leather jackets or trimmings etc.

Sikhs are lacto-vegetarian, Hindus aren't required to be vegetarian but about a quarter are.

Cows aren't sacred.

TheTravelWife · 03-07-2019 6:55pm

A vegan and a feminist were on a cruise together when a violent squall suddenly hit. The ship took on water and began to sink, and the captain ordered all passengers to the life vessels. The feminist who had preached equality amongst men and women all her adult life sprinted to the front of the line when she heard “women and children first.”

Her vegan friend also made it to a life raft and spent 12 days adrift at sea before finally landing on a small tropical island. One of the other survivors in his party managed to capture one thing to eat; an iguana. Weak and fearing he might starve to death, the vegan requested he be handed her ration of meat first.

I can’t tell the story/joke as good as my husband but ye get the idea :-)

_Brian · 03-07-2019 7:01pm

TheTravelWife wrote: »

A vegan and a feminist were on a cruise together when a violent squall suddenly hit. The ship took on water and began to sink, and the captain ordered all passengers to the life vessels. The feminist who had preached equality amongst men and women all her adult life sprinted to the front of the line when she heard “women and children first.”

Her vegan friend also made it to a life raft and spent 12 days adrift at sea before finally landing on a small tropical island. One of the other survivors in his party managed to capture one thing to eat; an iguana. Weak and fearing he might starve to death, the vegan requested he be handed her ration of meat first.

I can’t tell the story/joke as good as my husband but you get the idea :-)

Your husband better be a ****ing magician because otherwise I can’t imagine anyone laughing at that being told.

TheTravelWife · 03-07-2019 7:05pm

_Brian wrote: »

Your husband better be a ****ing magician because otherwise I can’t imagine anyone laughing at that being told.

You don’t seem like ye’d be able to imagine much of anything

_Brian · 03-07-2019 7:09pm

TheTravelWife wrote: »

You don’t seem like ye’d be able to imagine much of anything

Have to use your imagination much with him ?

dartboardio · 03-07-2019 7:42pm

_Brian wrote: »

Have to use your imagination much with him ?

Im sure you have to use yours alot, alone!

TheTravelWife · 03-07-2019 8:02pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Im sure you have to use yours alot, alone!

Never mind that boy. Brian is probably just another lonely soul, born stricken with the “little” ol’ Irish curse, with nothing but his computer screen, tucked away inside his ma’s house, to distract his mind from remembering that he is nothing in this life.

But thank you just the same :-)

Uncharted · 03-07-2019 8:05pm

I eat meat because I like it.

It's really delicious.

If I didn't like it,I wouldn't eat it.
I'd be a vegetarian.

It's called having choice and free will.

It's that simple.

archer22 · 03-07-2019 8:07pm

Those are the nations with highest rates of vegetarians and vegans

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-with-the-highest-rates-of-vegetarianism.html

TheTravelLife · 03-07-2019 8:11pm

TheTravelWife wrote: »

Never mind that boy. Brian is probably just another lonely soul, born stricken with the “little” ol’ Irish curse, with nothing but his computer screen, tucked away inside his ma’s house, to distract his mind from remembering that he is nothing in this life.

But thank you just the same :-)

Savage...

Hedgelayer · 03-07-2019 8:12pm

I spent two hours today stalking a salmon in a pool in a river in Clare...
I tried every fly, but to no avail...
Threw a worm on the hook, bang he took it...

After a lengthy struggle I landed him, all 7 kilos of him.

Then gently I slipped that bar of silver back facing upstream, nursed it back until it went on its way...

Now practically speaking I tricked that fish into thinking it was safe eat that worm, tortured it until he could take no more and set him free to hopefully fight another day....

I enjoy fishing.

anewme · 03-07-2019 8:14pm

TheTravelWife wrote: »

A vegan and a feminist were on a cruise together when a violent squall suddenly hit. The ship took on water and began to sink, and the captain ordered all passengers to the life vessels. The feminist who had preached equality amongst men and women all her adult life sprinted to the front of the line when she heard “women and children first.”

Her vegan friend also made it to a life raft and spent 12 days adrift at sea before finally landing on a small tropical island. One of the other survivors in his party managed to capture one thing to eat; an iguana. Weak and fearing he might starve to death, the vegan requested he be handed her ration of meat first.

I can’t tell the story/joke as good as my husband but ye get the idea :-)

Well this guy wasnt much of a vegan or a feminist and he decided to have a feed of a lizard.

Didnt bode too well.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/dad-dies-absolute-agony-after-17370531

Rezident · 03-07-2019 8:15pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure 30% or so of India is vegetarian. The planet would be a better place if we all ate less meat. The seas are almost out of fish too.

While I personally think veganism is unnecessary, I don't mind if other people want to do it but attacking people and lying to them about eating meat is not making anything better.

The seas are almost out of fish!? There are 3.5 trillion fish in the ocean. If you want to be vegan, we can't stop you self-flagelating yourself by missing out on rib-eye steak, but stop forcing this nonsense on innocent people, you are not helping your cause at all.

If veganism really was a good thing, you would not have to lie about it. The seas are almost out of fish! The sky is falling! Have a beer and a steak and be happy instead.

PainInTheArse · 04-07-2019 8:44am

Uncharted wrote: »

I eat meat because I like it.

It's really delicious.

If I didn't like it,I wouldn't eat it.
I'd be a vegetarian.

It's called having choice and free will.

It's that simple.

What about the choice and free will of your victim ?

Animals are here for us to kill, eat..

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