Archers Wood “Delgany”

09-07-2020 10:23am #1

Opposite Glen Heron I see a lot of ground works by Cairn. A bit of Googling tells me that this is for “Archers Wood” which has been given the address of “Delgany”

It would seem that this is the development of a 52 acre green field site. This will be made up of 245 three, four and five bedroom houses As well as 88 duplexes and 93 apartments. So high density but lower density than Charlesland.

Does anyone know anything else about this development?

The entrance to this seems a little dodgy even though it looks like they plan to widen the road at that junction.

loyatemu · 09-07-2020 3:09pm

2011 wrote: »

Opposite Glen Heron I see a lot of ground works by Cairn. A bit of Googling tells me that this is for “Archers Wood” which has been given the address of “Delgany”

It would seem that this is the development of a 52 acre green field site. This will be made up of 245 three, four and five bedroom houses As well as 88 duplexes and 93 apartments. So high density but lower density than Charlesland.

Does anyone know anything else about this development?

The entrance to this seems a little dodgy even though it looks like they plan to widen the road at that junction.

full planning files are on the Wicklow CC website, there's been quite a bit of discussion of it on the FB Greystones Open Forum. As well as the housing there are some sports facilities, I think it will be accessible from Priory Road as well as the Kilcoole Rd. AFAIK everything west of Kilcoole Road and north of Kilquade is "Delgany".

09-07-2020 4:17pm

loyatemu wrote: »

full planning files are on the Wicklow CC website, there's been quite a bit of discussion of it on the FB Greystones Open Forum.

Interesting. I don’t really do Facebook less rarely check the open forum. Thanks.

I’m surprised I have seen more about it around the place. It is going to be a sizable development.
I expect many will upgrade to these well built homes from many of the less well built Celtic Tiger homes in the area (such as my own).

As well as the housing there are some sports facilities, I think it will be accessible from Priory Road as well as the Kilcoole Rd. AFAIK everything west of Kilcoole Road and north of Kilquade is "Delgany".

Yeah, it just seems odd for a local like me as it is so far from Delgany village and practically in Killincarrig.

loyatemu · 09-07-2020 8:16pm

2011 wrote: »

Interesting. I don’t really do Facebook less rarely check the open forum. Thanks.

I’m surprised I have seen more about it around the place. It is going to be a sizable development.
I expect many will upgrade to these well built homes from many of the less well built Celtic Tiger homes in the area (such as my own).

Yeah, it just seems odd for a local like me as it is so far from Delgany village and practically in Killincarrig.

Eden Gate and Eden Wood are "Delgany" - this new estate will be closer to the village than either of them.

Another 99 houses on the way on the other side of Delgany:
https://www.greystonesguide.ie/application-for-99-houses-on-chapel-road/

awec · 09-07-2020 10:37pm

I also saw a sign up for 8 luxury houses in "The Orchard" on chapel road. Says the entrance will be by Donnybrook Fair.

fortwilliam · 10-07-2020 10:48am

The road infrastructure simply cannot handle this frenzied building.
The road between Bray & Greystones is beyond capacity.

prunudo · 12-07-2020 7:54am

fortwilliam wrote: »

The road infrastructure simply cannot handle this frenzied building.
The road between Bray & Greystones is beyond capacity.

The town of Delstones is coming closer to reality, no thought has been given to the roads around the town and its also time a plan was put in place to build bus and cycle lane to Bray from both a safety and volume point of view. Something needs to be done but I fear there will be huge opposition to a new or widened road up Windgates.
Ultimately a new rail tunnel to allow double track would be helpful but thats not on the cards at all.

12-07-2020 6:05pm

fortwilliam wrote: »

The road infrastructure simply cannot handle this frenzied building.
The road between Bray & Greystones is beyond capacity.

We’ve never had a plan before, why start now??
Sure what could possibly go wrong??

loyatemu · 12-07-2020 8:44pm

prunudo wrote: »

Ultimately a new rail tunnel to allow double track would be helpful but thats not on the cards at all.

the line is due to be doubled between the station and the first tunnel as part of the Dart upgrade program. This will allow a 20 minute frequency.

prunudo · 12-07-2020 8:47pm

loyatemu wrote: »

the line is due to be doubled between the station and the first tunnel as part of the Dart upgrade program. This will allow a 20 minute frequency.

Better than nothing but I don't believe it's sufficient in the long term for all the new housing in the greater north Wicklow area.

12-07-2020 11:18pm

loyatemu wrote: »

the line is due to be doubled between the station and the first tunnel as part of the Dart upgrade program. This will allow a 20 minute frequency.

Are you sure?

loyatemu · 13-07-2020 9:32am

2011 wrote: »

Are you sure?

Yes, it was added to the project earlier this year
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dart-expansion-project-set-to-cost-over-600m-more-than-estimate-1.4164672

13-07-2020 12:32pm

loyatemu wrote: »

Yes, it was added to the project earlier this year
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dart-expansion-project-set-to-cost-over-600m-more-than-estimate-1.4164672

I don't see anything in the link stating that they plan proceed with this.

loyatemu · 14-07-2020 1:20pm

2011 wrote: »

I don't see anything in the link stating that they plan proceed with this.

they had a tender out for consultants earlier this year which is here

the document attached to that tender has more details on the scope:

Irish Rail wrote:

The project involves trackworks, electrification and resignalling primarily on the Coastal line from Drogheda in the north to Connolly station and from Connolly station to Greystones. The proposed key elements may include:
• Electrification, re-signalling, track and associated civil works to support the projected capacity increase of the Northern Line from Malahide to Drogheda;
• Re-configuring Clongriffin & Howth Junction Station;
• Re-modelling of Drogheda and Fairview Depot and the provision of Battery Electric Multiple Unit (BEMU) charging facilities;
• Turnback Facilities on the Northern & Southern Lines;
• Siding & Stabling facilities;
• Investigate the comparison of a BEMU strategy versus electrification of Northern Line;
• Design an appropriate level of relief infrastructure (structures, civils, signalling, electrification, telecoms, track) in lieu of the increased frequency of level crossing closure on the Southern Line between Greystones & Connolly; and
• Greystones Capacity Improvement including potential 3rd platform.

There's an engineering report commissioned by the NTA on Derek Mitchell's website here

Cheeseplant · 14-07-2020 5:03pm

2011 wrote: »

Opposite Glen Heron I see a lot of ground works by Cairn. A bit of Googling tells me that this is for “Archers Wood” which has been given the address of “Delgany”

It would seem that this is the development of a 52 acre green field site. This will be made up of 245 three, four and five bedroom houses As well as 88 duplexes and 93 apartments. So high density but lower density than Charlesland.

Does anyone know anything else about this development?

The entrance to this seems a little dodgy even though it looks like they plan to widen the road at that junction.

Is this beyond Eden gate as you travel to N11? If so, will the houses have access to Priory Road?
I vaguely remember hearing that Eden Gate was supposed to/ will get access to Three Trouts Bridge Road (possibly not it's proper name, it's been a while since we lived in the area)- any sign of that happening?
Also the land to the west (?) of Three Trouts, behind the roadside houses oppposite Mill Grove, was earmarked for development too wasn't it?

awec · 14-07-2020 7:41pm

I think the one he's talking about is the area on Kilcoole Road, directly opposite Glenheron Walk.

14-07-2020 8:25pm

awec wrote: »

I think the one he's talking about is the area on Kilcoole Road, directly opposite Glenheron Walk.

Correct

15-07-2020 8:08am

loyatemu wrote: »

they had a tender out for consultants earlier this year which is here

the document attached to that tender has more details on the scope:

There's an engineering report commissioned by the NTA on Derek Mitchell's website here

Widening the tunnel through Bray Head is something I would like to see but my understanding is that it has always been consistent far too costly. I don’t see anything is the links posted that suggests that there is a plan in place to make this happen. I see that the intent is there to make all sorts of other improvements, but that is about it.

Maybe I missed something in the links posted??

awec · 15-07-2020 8:15am

2011 wrote: »

Widening the tunnel through Bray Head is something I would like to see but my understanding is that it has always been consistent far too costly. I don’t see anything is the links posted that suggests that there is a plan in place to make this happen. I see that the intent is there to make all sorts of other improvements, but that is about it.

Maybe I missed something in the links posted??

I believe he's saying that the track will be doubled between Bray and the tunnel, not Bray and Greystones and this will allow for a slightly greater frequency. The tunnel isn't getting widened.

Cluster · 15-07-2020 8:21am

2011 wrote: »

Widening the tunnel through Bray Head is something I would like to see but my understanding is that it has always been consistent far too costly. I don’t see anything is the links posted that suggests that there is a plan in place to make this happen. I see that the intent is there to make all sorts of other improvements, but that is about it.

Maybe I missed something in the links posted??

Its part of the DART expansion proposed plan for now.

No actual plan in place that I can see to start work on this.

15-07-2020 9:24am

awec wrote: »

I believe he's saying that the track will be doubled between Bray and the tunnel, not Bray and Greystones and this will allow for a slightly greater frequency. The tunnel isn't getting widened.

I just read the post again. You are correct, my bad. Apologies for the confusion.

loyatemu · 15-07-2020 10:28am

2011 wrote: »

I just read the post again. You are correct, my bad. Apologies for the confusion.

I agree they should be looking at the costs of doubling the whole line between Bray and Greystones (probably via a new tunnel rather than widening the existing ones). It would be expensive, but not astronomically so and would be an investment for the next 200 years!

awec · 15-07-2020 10:36am

Was there not talk at one point of going around Bray head instead of through it? Or am I totally making that up?

loyatemu · 15-07-2020 10:55am

awec wrote: »

Was there not talk at one point of going around Bray head instead of through it? Or am I totally making that up?

yeah, in the 1850s when they were building the line. The then Lord Meath didn't want a railway going through his estate so he gave the railway company the route on the seaward side of Bray Head (along with a huge never-ending engineering and maintenance headache) for free.

jpd · 16-07-2020 12:10am

I would imagine that the provision of a new tunnel or the widening of the existing tunnel/line is not anywhere near the top of the pile for infrastructure projects based on the cost/benefit analysis

There must be a lot more projects to the north and west of Dublin which would have a better cost/benefit than the Bray/Greystones line where the terrain is more suitable for infrastructure investment

24-08-2020 7:15am

I took these photos yesterday, this is going to be an enormous development:

Just as well that this new development has such a good road infrastructure in place :rolleyes::eek:

Taltos · 24-08-2020 8:38am

Didn’t realise it was going to be that large, wow.
The amount of building work around the village seems never ending now, with that and soon behind it the houses on Bellvíew hill and I’m guessing something soon around the convent.
In the meantime there is no improvement in the infrastructure. Hell the amount of cars from this development - I just cant see the current roads coping with it, can you imagine the school run as there is nothing within walking distance yet (I know there will be one hopefully in Charlesland soon) but everything else will necessitate more cars on the road at key times of the day.

24-08-2020 10:47am

My photos don’t really do it justice. This is enormous. Have a look at the available area on Google maps and compare it to Charlesland and this will give you some idea. This will add significant traffic. Now that Delgany and Greystones have merged completely I see this as another step towards merging with Kilcoole and Killincarrig.

lfen · 08-09-2020 10:34pm

Is this the site opposite Glenheron Walk?

awec · 08-09-2020 10:36pm

lfen wrote: »

Is this the site opposite Glenheron Walk?

Yea.

Cheeseplant · 12-12-2020 10:10am

Any update on this from someone living locally? We are thinking of moving back to Greystones after a 3 year break. Is this op phase 1 Glenheron on Three Trouts Road?
So nearest school would be the new one in Charlesland?
Will there be a more direct route to Delgany Village or would we have to go back along 3 Trouts to Killincarrig roundabout? Will there be entrance on 3 trouts or would we have to go all around the world like Eden Gate?
Thanks

pixbyjohn · 12-12-2020 5:10pm

810_2126 by John Mc Gowan, on Flickr

pixbyjohn · 12-12-2020 5:11pm

810_2124 by John Mc Gowan, on Flickr

pixbyjohn · 12-12-2020 5:12pm

810_2116 by John Mc Gowan, on Flickr

pixbyjohn · 12-12-2020 5:14pm

810_2115 by John Mc Gowan, on Flickr

loyatemu · 14-12-2020 11:49pm

Cheeseplant wrote: »

Any update on this from someone living locally? We are thinking of moving back to Greystones after a 3 year break. Is this op phase 1 Glenheron on Three Trouts Road?
So nearest school would be the new one in Charlesland?
Will there be a more direct route to Delgany Village or would we have to go back along 3 Trouts to Killincarrig roundabout? Will there be entrance on 3 trouts or would we have to go all around the world like Eden Gate?
Thanks

site plans are here - it will have entrances on Priory Rd and Kilcoole Rd.

Yeah nearest school will be Greystones Community NS, the big building beside Charlesland. Delgany NS is fairly close as well.

Viscount Aggro · 27-12-2020 7:41pm

I see Houses on property price register, going for c. 20% less than market price.

D10NY5U5 · 28-12-2020 5:42am

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

I see Houses on property price register, going for c. 20% less than market price.

New builds don’t include VAT on property price register. Are you factoring that in?

Viscount Aggro · 28-12-2020 2:14pm

Maybe thats the reason. A bit misleading, as the price should reflect the price people pay. VAT is irrelevant to most people.
I suspected it was county council buying units at a discount, maybe they are.
I see the same price difference on the register for the new Enniskerry estate, Sika Wood.

awec · 28-12-2020 2:40pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Maybe thats the reason. A bit misleading, as the price should reflect the price people pay. VAT is irrelevant to most people.
I suspected it was county council buying units at a discount, maybe they are.
I see the same price difference on the register for the new Enniskerry estate, Sika Wood.

You don't pay VAT when you buy a second hand home, so they have to take off the VAT from the price of the new homes to that the register contains consistent data.

Homes sold to councils at non-market rates are usually marked with an asterix on the PPR.

dazziola · 07-01-2021 3:59pm

Are these houses timber framed? They seem to be springing up at some speed. Didn't think timber-framed houses were common in Ireland. It may also suggest why they're slightly cheaper on the PPR.

prunudo · 07-01-2021 4:36pm

dazziola wrote: »

Are these houses timber framed? They seem to be springing up at some speed. Didn't think timber-framed houses were common in Ireland. It may also suggest why they're slightly cheaper on the PPR.

Yes, noticed them standing the frames before Christmas. Strange though as most other developers in the area have gone back to block work for the structure. As you say though it definitely makes for a speedier build.

dannyc31 · 07-01-2021 5:18pm

dazziola wrote: »

Are these houses timber framed? They seem to be springing up at some speed. Didn't think timber-framed houses were common in Ireland. It may also suggest why they're slightly cheaper on the PPR.

i don't believe pricing has been confirmed yet at this development as far as i'm aware. where are you seeing quoted prices?

08-01-2021 9:00am

I would expect similar to Glenheron pricing.

dannyc31 · 08-01-2021 10:17am

2011 wrote: »

I would expect similar to Glenheron pricing.

are the homes at glenheron timber frame? i was sure they were concrete.

09-01-2021 12:13am

dannyc31 wrote: »

are the homes at glenheron timber frame? i was sure hey were concrete.

I think you are correct.
Either way I wouldn’t expect it to have any impact on the price. They will end up as similar houses (appearance, size and energy rating) in almost the same area.

REFLINE1 · 11-01-2021 11:33am

dazziola wrote: »

Are these houses timber framed? They seem to be springing up at some speed. Didn't think timber-framed houses were common in Ireland. It may also suggest why they're slightly cheaper on the PPR.

Yes they are, as are the DRES Eastmount homes. its certainly a faster method of construction, personally I much prefer block built but a well designed and constructed timber frame house is fine in Ireland.

dannyc31 · 11-01-2021 2:32pm

REFLINE1 wrote: »

Yes they are, as are the DRES Eastmount homes. its certainly a faster method of construction, personally I much prefer block built but a well designed and constructed timber frame house is fine in Ireland.

this is interesting. i would of thought of all the countries in western Europe were timber frame would not be good would be Ireland due to our damp wet climate. this is one of the reasons that makes a little nervous about timber frame homes. also a plumber who is friend of the family mentioned he has a shocking amount of call outs to timber frame homes with leak isssues etc. now it might be due to the type of older timber frame homes that were built during the celtic boom but over all i feel more inclined to lean towards concrete until i understand better the differences between the two build types.

REFLINE1 · 11-01-2021 2:34pm

dannyc31 wrote: »

this is interesting. i would of thought of all the countries in western Europe were timber frame would not be good would be Ireland due to our damp wet climate. this is one of the reasons that makes a little nervous about timber frame homes. also a plumber who is friend of the family mentioned he has a shocking amount of call outs to timber frame homes with leak isssues etc. now it might be due to the type of older timber frame homes that were built during the celtic boom but over all i feel more inclined to lean towards concrete.

yes some of the older timber frame house in Celtic Tiger days were really poorly constructed. The devil is very much in the detail with timber frame construction.

awec · 11-01-2021 2:54pm

dannyc31 wrote: »

this is interesting. i would of thought of all the countries in western Europe were timber frame would not be good would be Ireland due to our damp wet climate. this is one of the reasons that makes a little nervous about timber frame homes. also a plumber who is friend of the family mentioned he has a shocking amount of call outs to timber frame homes with leak isssues etc. now it might be due to the type of older timber frame homes that were built during the celtic boom but over all i feel more inclined to lean towards concrete until i understand better the differences between the two build types.

The timber frame is not exposed to the elements. There is a waterproof membrane and external cladding (brickwork or rendered block usually) between the frame and the weather.

REFLINE1 · 11-01-2021 3:12pm

awec wrote: »

The timber frame is not exposed to the elements. There is a waterproof membrane and external cladding (brickwork or rendered block usually) between the frame and the weather.

Unfortunately poor installation often leads to the timber frame becoming exposed to the elements!

Archers Wood “Delgany”

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