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Should you expect a christmas bonus?

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  • #52
    D3V!L
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,958 ✭✭✭D3V!L


    I work for a large financial services company and there are no bonus's this time of the year. We usually see ours in February or March.


  • #53
    Stone Deaf 4evr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    meeeeh wrote: »
    Actually I think it's absolutely outrageous that you are ignoring safety of you employees by ridiculous attitude to alcohol. I don't care about bonus, as a small business that got hit badly by recession and margins can still be tight we don't pay bonuses. (We do give out vouchers.) However I always believed in treating people that work for us with respect and not like we are doing them a favour allowing them to work for us.

    the irony that this post was thanked by a user with the name 'bigbagofcans' :pac:


  • #54
    con___manx1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    I get just short of 1000 quid pf a bonus. It just offsets the tax from my wages really tho.


  • #55
    Bigbagofcans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »
    the irony that this post was thanked by a user with the name 'bigbagofcans' :pac:

    I snorted at that comment :D

    Despite my love of cans, I reserve them for weekend fun only. Not for work!


  • #56
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    I have worked in Sales for most of my career and typically people who work in Sales don't get bonus's as we earn commission. In my current company we get our commission paid twice a year. In June and December so I have a fat paycheck on my way this week :)

    The down side is it's nearly 7 week stretch until the next one !!! Ekkk!

    It some of my older jobs I used to get drink or Bonus Bonds/One4All cards as well. If a business is doing well then the staff should be rewarded in some way as a thank you for their contribution. Ideally I think it should be in the form of a profit sharing arrangement year round instead of a "bonus" that might be paid. I like the idea someone mentioned earlier of 10% of the monthly profits being shared with all the staff, that is a very progressive company.


  • #57
    MetzgerMeister
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,854 ✭✭✭✭MetzgerMeister


    gandalf wrote: »
    I like the idea someone mentioned earlier of 10% of the monthly profits being shared with all the staff, that is a very progressive company.

    Yep, it may not seem like much but it's 10% shared between 10 employees :)


  • #58
    Truckermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    I get a €500 euro fuel voucher and 2K on top of my wages in week 52 which gets taxed to fook so you end up with feck all.


  • #59
    kingtut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭kingtut


    I'd never expect one but if i did it would be anywhere from €0 to €8000.


  • #60
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Where I work all full time get an extra weeks wages. They break their bollox for us this time of the year and do so knowing they'll get a nice little bump for Xmas.

    No other bonus in the year. Time of the year they need it most so they are most grateful.

    I worked in another company before we got 2 cases of beer, 12 bottles of wine and 6 bottles of spirits.

    I don't think its too much to send your staff home with a bit extra for Christmas.


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  • #61
    Pyr0
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,967 ✭✭✭Pyr0


    I'd never expect a bonus in work but I guess it can really depend on the type of industry you're in and who employs you.

    Everyone in my office are happy to get a couple of quid behind the a bar for food and drinks as it is!


  • #62
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    Even when I was a teenager working as a petrol pump boy the owner used to throw me an extra 100 cash at Christmas.


  • #63
    engiweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    Don't most of the broadly Germanic/Nordic states in Europe (Germany, Austria, Netherlands, the Nordics etc) pay 13 or 14 month salaries? Much better system. We're too attached to the British/ US system here and the whole serf mentality/being in servitude and gracious to your employer for throwing you the odd scrap.


  • #64
    Aisling(",)
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,425 ✭✭✭Aisling(",)


    I'm a civil servant so I currently get nothing.

    However I previously worked in Ikea who are fantastic to their staff at christmas - free party, christmas present, christmas lunch and for all the years I was there they gave a bonus in October/November which I think was a months basic wage and was determined by company performance.


  • #65
    BailMeOut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,995 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    "Should you expect a christmas bonus?"

    yes but only if the company has been profitable and has spare funds at the end of the year to give out and then the bonus is directly proportional to how well you performed for the year.


  • #66
    Guffy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,180 ✭✭✭Guffy


    Previously worked for Dunnes Stores and they gave 1.5 weeks wages in vouchers. Paid for the Christmas dinner every year so that was great.

    None of my posts since have given a bonus.

    Are employers able to rite off bonuses paid as vouchers against tax liability?


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  • #67
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Lot of idealistic nonsense being spouted here. Thousands of employers, some much larger than me, don't pay a bonus. I employ unskilled workers who have come to Ireland to make a living. I pay them a decent wage for the role they carry out (you don't need a degree to operate a drill or hand truck). That's respectful. Some of them are working with me for years now, so I'm not some sort of tyrant. I'm just pointing out that the work is unskilled, the lads are all easily replaceable, and they are getting paid enough for what they do.

    What would you want me to do? Get down on my hands and knees and thank my lucky stars for having such wonderful employees? I'm the one who runs the business, takes the financial risks, and spots new revenue streams. And I don't pay a bonus, because I don't need to, they don't expect one, and I'd rather reward myself for having traded through a recession and provided people with a living when hundreds of thousands were on the Dole.

    Can’t help but get the feeling I’m dealing with posters who are like Rick or Neil from the Young Ones.


  • #68
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    I run a small business, and employ 11 people. No way in hell I'd be paying any of them a Christmas bonus. They work for their pay, and that's more than enough for most of them. Never underestimate how lazy and incompetent the average human can be.

    Sack the lad who hired these incompetent average people. He is running a business and appears to be incapable of due diligence. :pac:

    Many people have been 'jobseeking' very hard all year and they deserve double 'pay' at Christmas.


  • #69
    Kevhog1988
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Kevhog1988


    Pyr0 wrote: »
    I'd never expect a bonus in work but I guess it can really depend on the type of industry you're in and who employs you.

    Everyone in my office are happy to get a couple of quid behind the a bar for food and drinks as it is!

    Didnt get that either


  • #70
    topper75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    Guffy wrote: »
    ...

    Are employers able to write off bonuses paid as vouchers against tax liability?

    I believe so - it is an expense to the business, just like wages are.


  • #71
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    seamus wrote: »
    I've never received a Xmas bonus in any company I've worked for.

    seriously?

    and who do you work for scrooge & co?


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  • #72
    engiweirdo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 593 ✭✭✭engiweirdo


    Guffy wrote: »
    Previously worked for Dunnes Stores and they gave 1.5 weeks wages in vouchers. Paid for the Christmas dinner every year so that was great.

    None of my posts since have given a bonus.

    Are employers able to rite off bonuses paid as vouchers against tax liability?

    Don't know about writing off but they can give up to €500 non cash bonus tax free, so vouchers.


  • #73
    BrokenArrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    Irishcrx wrote: »
    Well it costs nothing to treat people with a shred of dignity and respect, I'm a people manager myself for a large company and I wouldn't dream of speaking of my staff in a disrespectful and down right arrogant manner you do.

    Maybe the quality of their work reflects their management? Or maybe you don't employ quality people in the first place to save a few quid and run a mediocre operation.

    Totally agree.

    He hires poor staff for probably **** pay and then complains when his customers don't have a good experience.

    Hire good staff for a good wage and see the business grow due to your customers having a good experience and recommending him and less cost associated with fixing ****ups.


  • #74
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Lot of idealistic nonsense being spouted here. Thousands of employers, some much larger than me, don't pay a bonus. I employ unskilled workers who have come to Ireland to make a living. I pay them a decent wage for the role they carry out (you don't need a degree to operate a drill or hand truck). That's respectful. Some of them are working with me for years now, so I'm not some sort of tyrant. I'm just pointing out that the work is unskilled, the lads are all easily replaceable, and they are getting paid enough for what they do.

    What would you want me to do? Get down on my hands and knees and thank my lucky stars for having such wonderful employees? I'm the one who runs the business, takes the financial risks, and spots new revenue streams. And I don't pay a bonus, because I don't need to, they don't expect one, and I'd rather reward myself for having traded through a recession and provided people with a living when hundreds of thousands were on the Dole.

    Can’t help but get the feeling I’m dealing with posters who are like Rick or Neil from the Young Ones.

    Gas man Johnny

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108841625&postcount=16


  • #75
    edora91
    Registered Users Posts: 29 ✭edora91


    The tax-free small benefit is up to €500 per year. We got ours in December as a one4all voucher, but it was performance-based and not related to Christmas. I can't recall anyone ever getting a Christmas bonus just because it's Christmas tbh. €50 is a nice gesture though. Enjoy!


  • #76
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    Totally agree.

    He hires poor staff for probably **** pay and then complains when his customers don't have a good experience.

    Hire good staff for a good wage and see the business grow due to your customers having a good experience and recommending him and less cost associated with fixing ****ups.

    Total nonsense and spoken like a man who has never ran a business.

    Johnny is 100% correct. Bonuses are not required in manual labour jobs. I'm sure he brings them out for a few pints and finger food. That's more than enough.


  • #77
    Bigbagofcans
    Registered Users Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Bigbagofcans


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Total nonsense and spoken like a man who has never ran a business.

    Johnny is 100% correct. Bonuses are not required in manual labour jobs. I'm sure he brings them out for a few pints and finger food. That's more than enough.

    People in manual labour jobs deserve bonuses too.


  • #78
    Duffryman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 547 ✭✭✭Duffryman


    Seve OB wrote: »
    ehhh no.

    that's not how Christmas bonuses work

    a Christmas bonus is a thank you. something nice to offer your staff at Christmas to show your appreciation for their work over the year.

    Thank you for proving my point that many people don't understand how this 'bonus' lark really works.

    It's just your annual salary being paid in a different way to equal weekly, fortnightly, or monthly instalments.

    The company will have budgeted the relevant figure for your pay over the course of the full year. Pick any figure you like. Say €36,000. Now, would you like to get that as €3,000 per month, every month? Or as say €2,800 per month for 11 months, and then all the odd €200 amounts stacked up in December as a so-called 'bonus'? It's all the same in the end.


  • #79
    BrokenArrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,498 ✭✭✭BrokenArrows


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Total nonsense and spoken like a man who has never ran a business.

    Johnny is 100% correct. Bonuses are not required in manual labour jobs. I'm sure he brings them out for a few pints and finger food. That's more than enough.

    Never said he had to pay a bonus.

    He's the one complaining that he has a bunch of incompetent idiots for staff that he himself hired.

    I'm just saying don't hire idiots and then complain about having idiots for staff.


  • #80
    IrishZeus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭IrishZeus


    I’ve run a business for the past 3 years which has just turned its first yearly profit in 2018. Every staff member - FT or PT - received a voucher of some sort and size this month.

    Could we afford it? No - the profit was very small. But, they were the only reason we had a profit in the first place. Only fair they receive some recognition for that. I couldn’t take a bonus for myself at all but no issue giving it up to keep a happy and motivated staff going into next year.


  • #81
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Gas man Johnny

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108841625&postcount=16

    What’s your point? I don’t treat my staff badly. I just don’t pay them a Christmas bonus. I also don’t get the point about having low quality employees. They lift stuff in and out of vans. There’s very little scope for fúck up in that. It isn’t open heart surgery we are talking about here.

    This is looking like it will be my most profitable year ever, so I’m doing something right. And I only lost one member of staff. He is gone back to Latvia to build a house and start a family with his missus.


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  • #82
    Truckermal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,047 ✭✭✭Truckermal


    Ush1 wrote: »
    Gas man Johnny

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108841625&postcount=16

    Just so you know any time Johnny is involved in a thread on Boards Pintman Paddy suddenly arrives to thank his posts and back him up and vice versa....


  • #83
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    What’s your point? I don’t treat my staff badly. I just don’t pay them a Christmas bonus. I also don’t get the point about having low quality employees. They lift stuff in and out of vans. There’s very little scope for fúck up in that. It isn’t open heart surgery we are talking about here.

    This is looking like it will be my most profitable year ever, so I’m doing something right. And I only lost one member of staff. He is gone back to Latvia to build a house and start a family with his missus.

    So do you call them grunts to their faces, or is the oul spine a bit loose from all the riding?:)


  • #84
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    Truckermal wrote: »
    Just so you know any time Johnny is involved in a thread on Boards Pintman Paddy suddenly arrives to thank his posts and back him up and vice versa....

    What's your point? I look up where Johnny has posted. Generally I agree with what he says. The man has his head screwed on right.


  • #85
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,476 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Truckermal wrote: »
    Just so you know any time Johnny is involved in a thread on Boards Pintman Paddy suddenly arrives to thank his posts and back him up and vice versa....

    Ah it's very obvious it's a piss take, but I've not much on in work up to Xmas.:D


  • #86
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    Has anyone mentioned the Dole Xmas bonus yet?

    I think it's for extra booze.


  • #87
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    Never said he had to pay a bonus.

    He's the one complaining that he has a bunch of incompetent idiots for staff that he himself hired.

    I'm just saying don't hire idiots and then complain about having idiots for staff.

    They aren’t incompetent. They are good lads. But they are men who do unskilled work, not theoretical physicists. They do the job of lifting stuff into and out of vans very well.


  • #88
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    What are you on about? I employ them, pay them a relatively decent wage considering the unskilled nature of what they do, don't overwork them, and turn a blind eye to the fact that some of them are barely functioning alcoholics. What would you suggest I should do above and beyond that??? It's not a charity I'm running. I decide to not pay a bonus and keep the money for my annual Cheltenham blowout. The piper gets to call the tune!

    'I'm doing most of them a favour by giving them a job in the first place' Is disrespectful and you wouldnt even have a viable business if it wasnt for those alcoholic grunts that work for you


  • #89
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Got nothing during the recession, but before and since about one month salary. This year will be near 2 months salary :eek: Company doing really well, lots of new clients.


  • #90
    Pintman Paddy Losty
    Registered Users Posts: 1,913 ✭✭✭Pintman Paddy Losty


    wakka12 wrote: »
    'I'm doing most of them a favour by giving them a job in the first place' Is disrespectful and you wouldnt even have a viable business if it wasnt for those alcoholic grunts that work for you

    Lots of those Eastern European lads are absolute sauce mechanics. Id say he's telling the truth. Two of them arrived to my gaff to put together an IKEA built in wardrobe. Bang of vodka off them would have knocked out a horse.


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  • #91
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,287 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Got nothing during the recession, but before and since about one month salary. This year will be near 2 months salary :eek: Company doing really well, lots of new clients.

    That's really generous.


  • #92
    major bill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,421 ✭✭✭major bill


    Quite lucky to be in a job where the employer rewards staff very generously with a hefty reward card every xmas.

    Also aware that we aren't entitled to one either so its always a nice gift.


  • #93
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    What's your point? I look up where Johnny has posted. Generally I agree with what he says. The man has his head screwed on right.

    Thanks Paddy. Right back at ya. You seem to understand how the world really works. Not some idealised ‘hippie drum circle’ view of the world where all employers are tyrants, and all employees are under the thumb of their boss.


  • #94
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »
    Lots of those Eastern European lads are absolute sauce mechanics. Id say he's telling the truth. Two of them arrived to my gaff to put together an IKEA built in wardrobe. Bang of vodka off them would have knocked out a horse.

    That's true, you can still run strict no alcohol at work policy. When you are operating vehicles or heavy machinery you shouldn't have people who are drunk. We are fairly relaxed about some issues but not being drunk at work.


  • #95
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Thanks Paddy. Right back at ya. You seem to understand how the world really works. Not some idealised ‘hippie drum circle’ view of the world where all employers are tyrants, and all employees are under the thumb of their boss.
    I understand that you are a small business and wouldn't expect you to give bonus's to 11 staff if you can't afford it, it's more the way you talk about your staff that gets my back up. You make them sound like lower life forms. Without those grunts, you wouldn't be having your most profitable year, even if all they do is lift stuff in and out of vans.


  • #96
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,982 ✭✭✭Degag


    Duffryman wrote: »
    Thank you for proving my point that many people don't understand how this 'bonus' lark really works.

    It's just your annual salary being paid in a different way to equal weekly, fortnightly, or monthly instalments.

    The company will have budgeted the relevant figure for your pay over the course of the full year. Pick any figure you like. Say €36,000. Now, would you like to get that as €3,000 per month, every month? Or as say €2,800 per month for 11 months, and then all the odd €200 amounts stacked up in December as a so-called 'bonus'? It's all the same in the end.


    Eh no.


    My company pays out a bonus that is dependant on a few things but generally works out as about an extra month salary. A bit more if the aforementioned depenancies are met, a bit less or none at all if they are not met.


    So, taking your example - if i am earning 36k - that is the figure on my contract and i therefore receive 3k gross every month. Come December if targets are met i will get 6k but nowhere on my contract will it say my salary is 39k.


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  • #97
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    The lads who work for me are very much manual labour grunts. The majority of them are Eastern European, as thick as two short planks, and have serious issues with alcohol consumption. They load heavy things into vans, unload them, and sometimes they will install these heavy things (commercial kitchen equipment). I could replace any of them in the morning, and not skip a heartbeat. They certainly don't deserve any sort of bonus. They don't offer any sort of differentiating skill that makes them worthy of a bonus. If they don't like that, then they can go and find another job. I'm doing most of them a favour by giving them a job in the first place. It's a small business I'm running, not bloody Goldman Sachs.

    I know this is AH so the above is read with a bucket of salt..

    But if that's your attitude to your staff, I very much doubt you treat your customers any better.

    No wonder so many small businesses fail, but also with an attitude like that, why would anyone support them anyway?


  • #98
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I have never ever got a Christmas bonus. Ive been working for 30 years.

    As far as I knew only bankers and those on the dole get a Christmas bonus.


  • #99
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,934 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    ... And no. Never gotten a Christmas bonus. December into January is usually a very long month with 5/6 weeks between paydays, and any annual bonuses in the new year I lose half to tax.

    Bah humbug!


  • #100
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    The lads who work for me are very much manual labour grunts. The majority of them are Eastern European, as thick as two short planks, and have serious issues with alcohol consumption.

    Weren't you here last week saying you'd never rent to Irish people as they are wasters. Foreigners only for your fancy apartment

    Now your Eastern european employees are no good either

    More bitterness in ya than a taxi driver :pac:


  • #101
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    My husband’s current and previous company (both private sector) don’t give Christmas bonuses. They pay for the Christmas party. I think hubs would rather the money.

    My friend works in a public sector laboratory. The employees pay for the Christmas party themselves and don’t get a Christmas bonus.

    My best bonus was when I was an entry-level employee in a company. You got €1000 or if you started in the company during that year, it was pro rata for the amount of the year you had been with the company. I believe I got €600 or so after tax. I probably got a higher bonus after tax than some higher ups because I was still within the lower tax band even with the bonus that month. Our Christmas party was also paid for.

    I never expected a bonus in any job though. The clue is in the name.


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