Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

whiterebel · 14-10-2016 9:47pm

bk wrote: »

If you can get two nests for €100, then that is a very good deal *

However I wouldn't pay €700 for them. My friend and neighbour got one, he has decided that it was a big waste of money. It works, but not worth the €350 he paid.

By the way Nest can be set up wirelessly too. Well it does require power unlike the Netatmo thermostat, but you can put the thermostat in any room.

What worries me about Nest is that since they were bought by Google, things have been going quickly down hill. They haven't released a single new product in years! Google has a history of dumping products that don't work out. In fact they already dumped support for a Nest smart home product (Reevo) and the news and rumours coming from google/nest really haven't been good. Loads of engineers quit and eventually the head (and former owner) of Nest was left go. So I would worry about their future.

Netatmo on the other hand seems to be really aggressively growing their products. Siri support, apple watch, Amazon Echo support. Releasing a smart TVRs, multiple security cameras, smart weather products, etc.

There aren't any guarantees, but Netatmo looks like a company firing on all cylinders, while Nest looks like a company in serious trouble.

* BTW you know that if you can get this deal from Electric Ireland, you can get the same deal for the Netatmo from Energia including install?

The 2 for €200 refers to the Netatmo deal. What I will get is 1 for €99 installed with Electric Ireland, and a second for €249 plus installation. I would be hoping for the whole lot done for €400. I appreciate the advice regarding Nest, but looking at their websites, it looks the opposite.....netatmo looks like a good idea, but half baked. No solid info about shipping, it can lead you around and round in circles for some products etc. Nest seem to have it down to a fine art. As I said, I can find 20+ Nest installers in Cork, I can't find one for Netatmo, which worries me.

ted1 · 14-10-2016 9:50pm

Zilog wrote: »

Personally the reason I went with the Netatmo was that the thermostat itself will work completely wirelessly, so I could place it wherever I wanted.
The thermostat is wireless and battery powered, using an E ink display to conserve power.

Granted it does not have the power or flexibility of the Nest. If you can run a power supply, then the Nest is great. However, can buy two of the Netatmo (for multiple zones) and still have change leftover - whilst this offer lasts!

The nest is micro USB powered and is wireless back to the boiler

bk · 15-10-2016 9:37am

whiterebel wrote: »

The 2 for €200 refers to the Netatmo deal. What I will get is 1 for €99 installed with Electric Ireland, and a second for €249 plus installation. I would be hoping for the whole lot done for €400. I appreciate the advice regarding Nest, but looking at their websites, it looks the opposite.....netatmo looks like a good idea, but half baked. No solid info about shipping, it can lead you around and round in circles for some products etc. Nest seem to have it down to a fine art. As I said, I can find 20+ Nest installers in Cork, I can't find one for Netatmo, which worries me.

Energia are handling the official installs of Netatmo in Dublin and Cork:

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/buy-a-netatmo-thermostat

You could go for the €79 deal above and buy the second thermostat for €99 yourself and when the Energia installer comes, ask him to do it too (maybe offer him an extra €50 for his trouble).

Any RGII installer should be able to easily install a Netatmo, there really isn't anything different about it from the standard non-smart types they install every day, at least not from the boiler side. The only reason they might be unsure, is setting up the internet side. But that really isn't hard if you are even a little technical.

ThisRegard · 15-10-2016 10:27am

whiterebel wrote: »

As I said, I can find 20+ Nest installers in Cork, I can't find one for Netatmo, which worries me.

You don't need to advertise yourself as a specialist Netatmo installer. If they can install a timer or thermostat then they are a Netatmo installer.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 10:44am

bk wrote: »

Energia are handling the official installs of Netatmo in Dublin and Cork:

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/buy-a-netatmo-thermostat

You could go for the €79 deal above and buy the second thermostat for €99 yourself and when the Energia installer comes, ask him to do it too (maybe offer him an extra €50 for his trouble).

Any RGII installer should be able to easily install a Netatmo, there really isn't anything different about it from the standard non-smart types they install every day, at least not from the boiler side. The only reason they might be unsure, is setting up the internet side. But that really isn't hard if you are even a little technical.

I can't get the €79 deal because it is already zoned, I asked. Then back to €249 for one unit installed, which is still good, plus €99 plus fitting. Puts me back to the same money as Nest. I've signed up already for it, anyway.

bk · 15-10-2016 11:05am

whiterebel wrote: »

I can't get the €79 deal because it is already zoned, I asked. Then back to €249 for one unit installed, which is still good, plus €99 plus fitting. Puts me back to the same money as Nest. I've signed up already for it, anyway.

Yes, in that case not such a great price difference so.

However the info I posted is more for anyone else thinking of getting a Netatmo. It really isn't difficult to get this installed if you have a compatible boiler set up.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 11:09am

ThisRegard wrote: »

You don't need to advertise yourself as a specialist Netatmo installer. If they can install a timer or thermostat then they are a Netatmo installer.

I've asked about 5 and they aren't interested when it comes to Netatmo. They seem to have their own that they look after such as EPH, Smartzone, or Nest.

ThisRegard · 15-10-2016 11:16am

What excuse do they give? Maybe it's just too short a job relative to the others to make it worthwhile, or they just don't know about them.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 11:38am

ThisRegard wrote: »

What excuse do they give? Maybe it's just too short a job relative to the others to make it worthwhile, or they just don't know about them.

Don't deal with them/ don't know about them/ do their own. Could be that they make money on the equipment, and installation only is of no interest?
Life is too short to be chasing someone to do something they don't want to do.
I did ask Energia about multizones with the Netatmo. First answer was no. I told them that i had been told that it does support this, and it clearly states that it does on the Netatmo specs on their website. They said they would get back to me. That was last Tuesday.......

Winterlong · 15-10-2016 12:46pm

whiterebel wrote: »

I've asked about 5 and they aren't interested when it comes to Netatmo. They seem to have their own that they look after such as EPH, Smartzone, or Nest.

That is very strange considering this is only slightly harder than a DIY job. Any electrician, even an apprentice, should be able to install it. Probably a case that they know the Nest thru having installed a few and dont know the Netamo so wont commit to being able to install it.

ActingDanClark · 15-10-2016 2:29pm

So what's the best deal for netatmo now? I'm with energia but didn't get the email

Zilog · 15-10-2016 2:54pm

Promotion from post #10 still works, thermostat delivered for EUR99. Today might be the last day though.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 3:39pm

damian139 wrote: »

So what's the best deal for netatmo now? I'm with energia but didn't get the email

Energia website if you qualify, €85 installed with boiler service.

ActingDanClark · 15-10-2016 5:50pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Energia website if you qualify, €85 installed with boiler service.

Couldnt get link to work so searched for the deal and pricec.was €249

Tony · 15-10-2016 7:21pm

showing as 85 here https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

damian139 wrote: »

Couldnt get link to work so searched for the deal and pricec.was €249

bk · 15-10-2016 9:18pm

whiterebel wrote: »

Could be that they make money on the equipment, and installation only is of no interest?

I suspect this is it, you see the same with a lot of trades. They like to claim that "missus the thermostat cost €300," I'm only getting €50 for installing it, when in reality they buy the equipment for about €100 themselves and charge €350 for a job that doesn't even take 30 minutes. A lot of them don't like a well informed client who brings their own equipment.

Perfect example when I wanted to get a leaking tap fixed, they all quoted 150 to 200 because that was a weird tap, no way they could fix it, they would have to install a new tap! But no worries they could do me a great deal on a new tap and install!

I spent €10 myself for a replacement part from Amazon and had it fixed in 15 minutes, having never done a plumbing job in my life before!

In my case, installing Netatmo is easier then wiring a plug. Literally unscrew old thermostat, pull two wires out of back of old thermostat, push two wires into back of Netatmo, screw Netatmo into wall. That is literally it, not even 10 minutes work.

Rocket science it certainly isn't!

I suspect that because Nest is so much more expensive then Netatmo, while the hardware is pretty much exactly the same (all they are is a control board and wireless chip), that Nest are paying quite a bit to the installers to incentivise them to install their system.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 11:44pm

bk wrote: »

I suspect this is it, you see the same with a lot of trades. They like to claim that "missus the thermostat cost €300," I'm only getting €50 for installing it, when in reality they buy the equipment for about €100 themselves and charge €350 for a job that doesn't even take 30 minutes. A lot of them don't like a well informed client who brings their own equipment.

Perfect example when I wanted to get a leaking tap fixed, they all quoted 150 to 200 because that was a weird tap, no way they could fix it, they would have to install a new tap! But no worries they could do me a great deal on a new tap and install!

I spent €10 myself for a replacement part from Amazon and had it fixed in 15 minutes, having never done a plumbing job in my life before!

In my case, installing Netatmo is easier then wiring a plug. Literally unscrew old thermostat, pull two wires out of back of old thermostat, push two wires into back of Netatmo, screw Netatmo into wall. That is literally it, not even 10 minutes work.

Rocket science it certainly isn't!

I suspect that because Nest is so much more expensive then Netatmo, while the hardware is pretty much exactly the same (all they are is a control board and wireless chip), that Nest are paying quite a bit to the installers to incentivise them to install their system.

My problem is I don't have thermostats, which means they will have to go at the gas boiler. I could do a straight switch for a thermostat myself.

ActingDanClark · 16-10-2016 11:00am

Tony wrote: »

showing as 85 here https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

Bizarre- it worked! Thanks for that

punisher5112 · 16-10-2016 11:04am

Thanks op took the plunge bought one to try out.

Tom Cruises Left Nut · 17-10-2016 8:50am

Hi All

I have another question that someone might know the answer to

Even if I have my Thermostat set to 18 degrees, the heat seems to stay in the house and it heats way up above that

So much so that I was in a pair of shorts yesterday !!

I know people say not to put a TRV in the same room as the thermostat but if I had the thermostat at say 19 degrees and the smart TRV at 21 degrees should that work ?

I just want to cut out the heat buildup in the house, the radiators stay hot for a long time after the boiler cuts off

Thanks

ThisRegard · 17-10-2016 8:55am

Are you using the Netatmo at the moment? It takes a couple of weeks to learn how your house heats and dissipates so for example it will know that say it sticks the boiler on for an hour, 20 minutes later the house will reach the desired temperature, rather than say keeping the boiler on until it reaches that temperature leasing to a situation like you describe above.

If you're using the Netatmo and it keeps the boiler on after hitting the temperature there's something not quite right.

Tom Cruises Left Nut · 17-10-2016 8:56am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Are you using the Netatmo at the moment? It takes a couple of weeks to learn how your house heats and dissipates so for example it will know that say it sticks the boiler on for an hour, 20 minutes later the house will reach the desired temperature, rather than say keeping the boiler on until it reaches that temperature leasing to a situation like you describe above.

If you're using the Netatmo and it keeps the boiler on after hitting the temperature there's something not quite right.

No, not using the netatmo, it is on the way though !

Thats a good point, cheers, will see how it goes once I have it up and running so

Thanks !

ted1 · 18-10-2016 12:28am

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

Hi All

I have another question that someone might know the answer to

Even if I have my Thermostat set to 18 degrees, the heat seems to stay in the house and it heats way up above that

So much so that I was in a pair of shorts yesterday !!

I know people say not to put a TRV in the same room as the thermostat but if I had the thermostat at say 19 degrees and the smart TRV at 21 degrees should that work ?

I just want to cut out the heat buildup in the house, the radiators stay hot for a long time after the boiler cuts off

Thanks

The TRVis directly beside the heat source , the thermostat is not, do quite likely there would be a heat loss which results in the TRV cutting out before the thermostat

Noiz · 18-10-2016 8:37am

How long does it take to hear anything back from Energia with their €85 offer with boiler service and Netatmo? I submitted the online application last Wednesday and have heard nothing back from them yet.

machiavellianme · 18-10-2016 8:59am

Noiz wrote: »

How long does it take to hear anything back from Energia with their €85 offer with boiler service and Netatmo? I submitted the online application last Wednesday and have heard nothing back from them yet.

I'm waiting 2 weeks and have heard nothing so far.

Gryzor · 18-10-2016 12:23pm

Installed mine last night, was a breeze in my simple setup thanks to the photos TheGreenMile posted a few pages back.

It's working a treat, simple to use...

Only issue I have is the attachment between the thermostat and the mobile stand seems very flimsy, anyone else finding that?

enfant terrible · 18-10-2016 1:16pm

Have four cables in my thermostat. Two brown, two blue.

Anyone know which two would be the control cables?

Pictures attached below.

ThisRegard · 18-10-2016 1:18pm

Gryzor wrote: »

Only issue I have is the attachment between the thermostat and the mobile stand seems very flimsy, anyone else finding that?

What stand? I don't remember getting one.

Gryzor · 18-10-2016 1:25pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

What stand? I don't remember getting one.

It's just another square piece, pretty much the same size as the thermostat section. Both clip together so it's more stable when freestanding.

ThisRegard · 18-10-2016 2:44pm

Gryzor wrote: »

It's just another square piece, pretty much the same size as the thermostat section. Both clip together so it's more stable when freestanding.

Ah, basically the back of it when using it as a stand alone.

Very first day we had it my wife left it on the stairs. She forgot about it so when coming back down she kicked it from half way up onto a wooden floor below. I was expecting destruction but it survived without a scratch. My daughter has managed to knock it onto the ground a few times also, batteries flying everywhere. So it's obviously sturdier than it feels.

Special Circumstances · 18-10-2016 3:52pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Have four cables in my thermostat. Two brown, two blue.

Anyone know which two would be the control cables?

Pictures attached below.

Diagram is showing neutral looping through the stat. One blue in. One blue out.

Live (brown) is being switched by the stat. One brown wire is always live, the other side only live when the stat closes the switch (temp too low).

Caution... not an electrician!

enfant terrible · 18-10-2016 10:55pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Diagram is showing neutral looping through the stat. One blue in. One blue out.

Live (brown) is being switched by the stat. One brown wire is always live, the other side only live when the stat closes the switch (temp too low).

Caution... not an electrician!

Cheers,

So I'm thinking the two brown are the ones I need for the Netatmo.

Should I leave the neutral alone?

Special Circumstances · 19-10-2016 7:28am

enfant terrible wrote: »

Cheers,

So I'm thinking the two brown are the ones I need for the Netatmo.

Should I leave the neutral alone?

My setup is different. I will be wiring the relaybox and stat will be completely wireless.

If you are happy with where your old thermostat is then yes the brown wires are the ones you want. Do you tape the neutrals and keep them separate... or do you join them. Hmmmm. Need coffee. I GUESS you need to keep them joined just as they are now.

I'm going on the diagram at the back of the box here. From my own experience of celtic tiger house wiring it's. ... rather more freestyle. Please check that the actual wiring reflects the diagram.

punisher5112 · 19-10-2016 10:16am

Yes 1 and 4 are supply and switch supply to control heat.

Neutral need to be together.

Make sure all power is off.

enfant terrible · 19-10-2016 6:53pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

My setup is different. I will be wiring the relaybox and stat will be completely wireless.

If you are happy with where your old thermostat is then yes the brown wires are the ones you want. Do you tape the neutrals and keep them separate... or do you join them. Hmmmm. Need coffee. I GUESS you need to keep them joined just as they are now.

I'm going on the diagram at the back of the box here. From my own experience of celtic tiger house wiring it's. ... rather more freestyle. Please check that the actual wiring reflects the diagram.

punisher5112 wrote: »

Yes 1 and 4 are supply and switch supply to control heat.

Neutral need to be together.

Make sure all power is off.

Thanks guys appreciate it.

Special Circumstances · 19-10-2016 9:45pm

Baxtard eircom is out here. Can't set mine up properly. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

enfant terrible · 19-10-2016 9:48pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Baxtard eircom is out here. Can't set mine up properly. Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

Why not?

Special Circumstances · 19-10-2016 9:51pm

enfant terrible wrote: »

Why not?

I want to update the firmware before I shtick it to the wall. I found it a bit tricky to take the relay connections out of the back of the relay when it was on my desk, I'd break it if it was attached to the wall. I'm doing something wrong there I'd say!

Dr.Winston O'Boogie · 20-10-2016 9:03am

Noiz wrote: »

How long does it take to hear anything back from Energia with their €85 offer with boiler service and Netatmo? I submitted the online application last Wednesday and have heard nothing back from them yet.

machiavellianme wrote: »

I'm waiting 2 weeks and have heard nothing so far.

There was about a week between me applying and them contacting me. 2 weeks seems a bit long.

yllw.ldbttr · 20-10-2016 10:54am

Special Circumstances wrote: »

I want to update the firmware before I shtick it to the wall. I found it a bit tricky to take the relay connections out of the back of the relay when it was on my desk, I'd break it if it was attached to the wall. I'm doing something wrong there I'd say!

What am i missing here?
I did firmware updates over bluetooth connection via the android app.

Why are people connecting via USB to update firmware?

yllw.ldbttr · 20-10-2016 10:55am

Gryzor wrote: »

Only issue I have is the attachment between the thermostat and the mobile stand seems very flimsy, anyone else finding that?

Flimsy?
Do you mean the gap between the front and back piece?
If so, that's to allow you use the unit itself to turn the temp up or down.
Press the top of the thermostat to raise the temp and the lower piece to reduce it.

Special Circumstances · 20-10-2016 10:57am

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

What am i missing here?
I did firmware updates over bluetooth connection via the android app.

Why are people connecting via USB to update firmware?

While I have your attention - you have yours switching a zonevalve right? Do you know what type of zonevalve yours is and what its power / current demands are?

yllw.ldbttr · 20-10-2016 12:13pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

While I have your attention - you have yours switching a zonevalve right? Do you know what type of zonevalve yours is and what its power / current demands are?

This.

illdoit2morrow · 20-10-2016 12:15pm

In the T&C's, it states that the offer is open to Dublin and Cork regions.

I am in Ashbourne, Co. Meath (with an 01 phone number). I sent off the application last night in hope. Has anyone 'a little' outside Dublin or Cork applied and got the offer?

drunkmonkey · 20-10-2016 12:18pm

Can anyone enlighten me if I should get one..

I've just fitted a new hot water tank and pressurised water system, We only have 2 zones (either heat all upstairs or heat downstairs). We just have the timer for the oil burner to heat the oil or tank, we have that split out now so we can either heat the rads or just the water.
We haven't got the thing wired up yet so wondering is now the time to add a smart controller. Would like to be able to heat the water or rads or the 2 zones and program it all from the phone.

Tom Cruises Left Nut · 20-10-2016 12:20pm

Got mine delivered today, gonna give it a shot tomorrow

One other question I have for those that might know

The house has 2 zones and the hot water

If I turn the Hot water thermostat off completely the main heating should still heat the water right ?

OU812 · 20-10-2016 12:24pm

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

Got mine delivered today, gonna give it a shot tomorrow

One other question I have for those that might know

The house has 2 zones and the hot water

If I turn the Hot water thermostat off completely the main heating should still heat the water right ?

Do you have a muktizone valve? (Can heat water without house heating being in)

Special Circumstances · 20-10-2016 12:44pm

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

This.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6034073/uploads/attachments/373037/399625.jpg

Mighty. I have a spring return two port valve too. Other manufacturers seem to rate them around the 5 Watts alright. Sunvic don't seem to regard wattage as an important electrical spec unfortunately so I had some worries about hooking it up last night.

I used USB to update firmware because
a) I didn't have relay box wired up yet (yeah I could have plugged it into mains and used bluetooth but...
b) Nowhere in my instructions does it mention bluetooth update of firmware. Or any update of firmware.
c) The only reference to setting up the relay box was somebody else on here complaining about mounting it before they realised they needed to connect it via USB.

So you're not missing anything if you use USB.

yllw.ldbttr · 20-10-2016 1:06pm

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

G
The house has 2 zones and the hot water

If I turn the Hot water thermostat off completely the main heating should still heat the water right ?

It does not in my case, hot water zone has to be turned on separately.

I have mine set to twice daily with the tank thermostat set to my desired level.
In winter when the solar is not yielding much then the oil will heat water, in summer when solar is giving me load of hot water then the oil boiler wont kick in because the thermostat will be above the desired level.

yllw.ldbttr · 20-10-2016 1:07pm

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Mighty. I have a spring return two port valve too. Other manufacturers seem to rate them around the 5 Watts alright. Sunvic don't seem to regard wattage as an important electrical spec unfortunately so I had some worries about hooking it up last night.

I used USB to update firmware because
a) I didn't have relay box wired up yet (yeah I could have plugged it into mains and used bluetooth but...
b) Nowhere in my instructions does it mention bluetooth update of firmware. Or any update of firmware.
c) The only reference to setting up the relay box was somebody else on here complaining about mounting it before they realised they needed to connect it via USB.

So you're not missing anything if you use USB.

I must have skipped over that in the instructions.
On Android, when your phone connects to the netatmo via bluetooth, the app automatically updates the relay/ netatmo firmware if needed. I think this is after you provide it with wifi credentials.

Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

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