Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

ted1 · 11-10-2016 07:23PM

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

Agreed.
I think the cost per house is reasonable with thermostats. For example I bought two, one when released at full price and another now. Cost 280 total. Reasonable. Then again, I have 26 rads, so 80 euro per rad would take years to make a return on investment. So I think the programmable TRVs at 20 per rad are a far better buy right now.

That said, once individual smart TRVs get down to the 30ish euro price point I think they will be a no brainer.

26 rads !! Do you live in a hotel?

yllw.ldbttr · 11-10-2016 07:32PM

ted1 wrote: »

26 rads !! Do you live in a hotel?

Feels like it at times lad.
The 'guests' here certainly are fairly demanding.

ThisRegard · 11-10-2016 08:00PM

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

@ThisRegard seems like you deleted your post but that's not how it works.
Timer is set to always on because the Netatmo has a scheduler and a thermostat. The old dumb timer is bypassed effectively, except for the hot water zone.

I deleted as i misread yours, I thought you said you had a system which had no thermostats. What you describe here is the same as my setup, apart from having a separate water zone.

Btw, like the Pearl Jam reference with your user name.

bk · 11-10-2016 08:06PM

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

You're right. I put them on 16 rads only. Not all rooms are used, as you said.

BTW just in case you ever decide to go for some of these TVR's, the Netatmo system supports "only" 20 TVR's

d31b0y · 11-10-2016 10:16PM

Hi guys, I have a Riello RDB oil burner. It's not listed in the compatibility check but it's situated outdoors beside my oil tank. Inside I have the attached timer and no thermostat. I assume the netatmo will work in this setup, do I just replace the timer? The compatibility check only states that one of the burners for Riello is compatible.
I also have an immersion but don't use it.

On closer inspection the boiler unit is a Warmflow Bluebird, I think. It looks like the one on the far left here - https://check.netatmo.com/wizard/boilerModel/Warmflow
EDIT: link doesn't work, you need to go through the check manually.

EDIT2: actually, maybe it's a B-Series in which case it is supposedly compatible. Any clues on how to figure out?

which is supposedly not compatible. Any idea why that might be the case?
I think the thermostat may be on the boiler itself (very similar to this http://www.heating-parts.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=205814)

yllw.ldbttr · 12-10-2016 02:09PM

For anyone who has an existing wired thermostat it really is a simple job to replace it. I took a few pics of the process.

Existing dumb thermostat with cover removed.

Netatmo backplate with wiring in place.

Netatmo with cover on, synced with wifi relay.

reni10 · 12-10-2016 03:27PM

Looks like you only have 2 wires connected to your existing thermostats?

I have 3 wires so I am hoping that I can actually connect the Relay instead of the thermostats and then use the thermostats wirelessly...

Just waiting for an electrician to come to verify...

enfant terrible · 12-10-2016 03:49PM

reni10 wrote: »

Looks like you only have 2 wires connected to your existing thermostats?

I have 3 wires so I am hoping that I can actually connect the Relay instead of the thermostats and then use the thermostats wirelessly...

Just waiting for an electrician to come to verify...

I have four wires connected to mine, two blue and two brown.

Can you post some pictures reni if you get it working?

Winterlong · 12-10-2016 03:49PM

reni10 wrote: »

Looks like you only have 2 wires connected to your existing thermostats?

I have 3 wires so I am hoping that I can actually connect the Relay instead of the thermostats and then use the thermostats wirelessly...

Just waiting for an electrician to come to verify...

If you could take a picture of how the electrician wires up the relay to those 3 wires it would be much appreciated!

I reported my relay as faulty over the weekend. Not a word back from Netamo since. Very slow. Very frustrating.

yllw.ldbttr · 12-10-2016 04:34PM

Winterlong wrote: »

If you could take a picture of how the electrician wires up the relay to those 3 wires it would be much appreciated!

I reported my relay as faulty over the weekend. Not a word back from Netamo since. Very slow. Very frustrating.

Brace yourself for that.
Their customer service is truly awful.

I spent nearly 6 weeks getting them to agree to issue RMA for a faulty outdoor unit on their weather station. They refused a refund. Finally allowed me to send it back and they've had it now nearly 3 weeks.

They make great products, but their customer service is truly awful.
Try leaving them a facebook message, it was what got some progress for me in the end.

d31b0y · 13-10-2016 10:52AM

d31b0y wrote: »

Hi guys, I have a Riello RDB oil burner. It's not listed in the compatibility check but it's situated outdoors beside my oil tank. Inside I have the attached timer and no thermostat. I assume the netatmo will work in this setup, do I just replace the timer? The compatibility check only states that one of the burners for Riello is compatible.
I also have an immersion but don't use it.

On closer inspection the boiler unit is a Warmflow Bluebird, I think. It looks like the one on the far left here - https://check.netatmo.com/wizard/boilerModel/Warmflow
EDIT: link doesn't work, you need to go through the check manually.

EDIT2: actually, maybe it's a B-Series in which case it is supposedly compatible. Any clues on how to figure out?

which is supposedly not compatible. Any idea why that might be the case?
I think the thermostat may be on the boiler itself (very similar to this http://www.heating-parts.co.uk/Product.asp?Prd=205814)

Decided to order it. I'm pretty sure it will work. If not, I'll just sell it.

Tom Cruises Left Nut · 13-10-2016 11:42AM

Hi All, quick question on this

I have a thermostat in the sitting room, it is always the warmest room in the house so would want to fix the Netamo there, from reading I believe I can just have this directly replaced ?

I also have a thermostat upstairs in the bedroom, this is always set lower than the downstairs one though

I presume I can leave the upstairs one ?

What I want to eventually do is for the smart radiator valve to each radiator in the house. At that point I presume I can just turn the upstairs old thermostat to the same value as on the smary valve and all should work ok ?

bk · 13-10-2016 12:47PM

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

I have a thermostat in the sitting room, it is always the warmest room in the house so would want to fix the Netamo there, from reading I believe I can just have this directly replaced ?

Yes

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

I also have a thermostat upstairs in the bedroom, this is always set lower than the downstairs one though

I presume I can leave the upstairs one ?

Sounds like you have a multi or two zone home. Yes, you could just leave this here or alternatively you could also replace this with a second Netatmo thermostat and control both with the one app.

Tom Cruises Left Nut wrote: »

What I want to eventually do is for the smart radiator valve to each radiator in the house. At that point I presume I can just turn the upstairs old thermostat to the same value as on the smary valve and all should work ok ?

Yes, that is another option. Actually you would turn this thermostat to full, and just use the smart TVR's instead.

Though I think it might just be better to get the two Netatmo's and only get TVR's later if you think you need extra control.

Winterlong · 13-10-2016 06:17PM

yllw.ldbttr wrote: »

Brace yourself for that.
Their customer service is truly awful.

I spent nearly 6 weeks getting them to agree to issue RMA for a faulty outdoor unit on their weather station. They refused a refund. Finally allowed me to send it back and they've had it now nearly 3 weeks.

They make great products, but their customer service is truly awful.
Try leaving them a facebook message, it was what got some progress for me in the end.

Thanks for the facebook tip. They agreed to RMA the item for me today. God knows how long it will take for it to come back...in the mean time I get more and more aggravated everytime I pass by my existing heating timer!

whiterebel · 13-10-2016 11:05PM

After reading some of the tales of woe about Netatmo, I've gone with Electric Ireland and a Nest for €99 installed. I'll get another Nest thermostat then to do the other zone. Everything about Nest seems much more polished - list sof installers on their website, lots of FAQs, support seems good etc. I can't even find anyone to install a Netatmo

Zilog · 14-10-2016 05:59PM

whiterebel wrote: »

After reading some of the tales of woe about Netatmo, I've gone with Electric Ireland and a Nest for €99 installed. I'll get another Nest thermostat then to do the other zone. Everything about Nest seems much more polished - list sof installers on their website, lots of FAQs, support seems good etc. I can't even find anyone to install a Netatmo

Personally the reason I went with the Netatmo was that the thermostat itself will work completely wirelessly, so I could place it wherever I wanted.
The thermostat is wireless and battery powered, using an E ink display to conserve power.

Granted it does not have the power or flexibility of the Nest. If you can run a power supply, then the Nest is great. However, can buy two of the Netatmo (for multiple zones) and still have change leftover - whilst this offer lasts!

whiterebel · 14-10-2016 07:41PM

Zilog wrote: »

Personally the reason I went with the Netatmo was that the thermostat itself will work completely wirelessly, so I could place it wherever I wanted.
The thermostat is wireless and battery powered, using an E ink display to conserve power.

Granted it does not have the power or flexibility of the Nest. If you can run a power supply, then the Nest is great. However, can buy two of the Netatmo (for multiple zones) and still have change leftover - whilst this offer lasts!

Its a great deal, and it was very hard to turn down 2 for €200, but I 've had so much hassle with the heating and boilers, I just couldn't face it if there were problems with the thermostats. I was quoted €710 for 2 Nests installed, so hopefully I'll save a lot with this deal anyway

bk · 14-10-2016 08:30PM

whiterebel wrote: »

Its a great deal, and it was very hard to turn down 2 for €200, but I 've had so much hassle with the heating and boilers, I just couldn't face it if there were problems with the thermostats. I was quoted €710 for 2 Nests installed, so hopefully I'll save a lot with this deal anyway

If you can get two nests for €100, then that is a very good deal *

However I wouldn't pay €700 for them. My friend and neighbour got one, he has decided that it was a big waste of money. It works, but not worth the €350 he paid.

By the way Nest can be set up wirelessly too. Well it does require power unlike the Netatmo thermostat, but you can put the thermostat in any room.

What worries me about Nest is that since they were bought by Google, things have been going quickly down hill. They haven't released a single new product in years! Google has a history of dumping products that don't work out. In fact they already dumped support for a Nest smart home product (Reevo) and the news and rumours coming from google/nest really haven't been good. Loads of engineers quit and eventually the head (and former owner) of Nest was left go. So I would worry about their future.

Netatmo on the other hand seems to be really aggressively growing their products. Siri support, apple watch, Amazon Echo support. Releasing a smart TVRs, multiple security cameras, smart weather products, etc.

There aren't any guarantees, but Netatmo looks like a company firing on all cylinders, while Nest looks like a company in serious trouble.

* BTW you know that if you can get this deal from Electric Ireland, you can get the same deal for the Netatmo from Energia including install?

alison123 · 14-10-2016 08:57PM

Hello!
I was going to go for the Energia/netatmo option but having read this thread I think it won't work for me. I have a small house (not interested in rad valves or heating zones) with a gas boiler linked to a timer and a thermostat. I also have a lever to close/open a valve so I can have the boiler feed just the hot water tank in summer. If I change the manual water/radiator valve to a motorised one, can I then get a system that will allow me to remotely switch the heating on/off and switch from heating to hot water only. And can I have a mobile thermostat, which is what I'd like. If yes to all of this, which system will do it?

OU812 · 14-10-2016 09:22PM

That's similar to he problem I have. We have a moterised valve and I think the only ones that will do it are the hive & nest

whiterebel · 14-10-2016 09:47PM

bk wrote: »

If you can get two nests for €100, then that is a very good deal *

However I wouldn't pay €700 for them. My friend and neighbour got one, he has decided that it was a big waste of money. It works, but not worth the €350 he paid.

By the way Nest can be set up wirelessly too. Well it does require power unlike the Netatmo thermostat, but you can put the thermostat in any room.

What worries me about Nest is that since they were bought by Google, things have been going quickly down hill. They haven't released a single new product in years! Google has a history of dumping products that don't work out. In fact they already dumped support for a Nest smart home product (Reevo) and the news and rumours coming from google/nest really haven't been good. Loads of engineers quit and eventually the head (and former owner) of Nest was left go. So I would worry about their future.

Netatmo on the other hand seems to be really aggressively growing their products. Siri support, apple watch, Amazon Echo support. Releasing a smart TVRs, multiple security cameras, smart weather products, etc.

There aren't any guarantees, but Netatmo looks like a company firing on all cylinders, while Nest looks like a company in serious trouble.

* BTW you know that if you can get this deal from Electric Ireland, you can get the same deal for the Netatmo from Energia including install?

The 2 for €200 refers to the Netatmo deal. What I will get is 1 for €99 installed with Electric Ireland, and a second for €249 plus installation. I would be hoping for the whole lot done for €400. I appreciate the advice regarding Nest, but looking at their websites, it looks the opposite.....netatmo looks like a good idea, but half baked. No solid info about shipping, it can lead you around and round in circles for some products etc. Nest seem to have it down to a fine art. As I said, I can find 20+ Nest installers in Cork, I can't find one for Netatmo, which worries me.

ted1 · 14-10-2016 09:50PM

Zilog wrote: »

Personally the reason I went with the Netatmo was that the thermostat itself will work completely wirelessly, so I could place it wherever I wanted.
The thermostat is wireless and battery powered, using an E ink display to conserve power.

Granted it does not have the power or flexibility of the Nest. If you can run a power supply, then the Nest is great. However, can buy two of the Netatmo (for multiple zones) and still have change leftover - whilst this offer lasts!

The nest is micro USB powered and is wireless back to the boiler

bk · 15-10-2016 09:37AM

whiterebel wrote: »

The 2 for €200 refers to the Netatmo deal. What I will get is 1 for €99 installed with Electric Ireland, and a second for €249 plus installation. I would be hoping for the whole lot done for €400. I appreciate the advice regarding Nest, but looking at their websites, it looks the opposite.....netatmo looks like a good idea, but half baked. No solid info about shipping, it can lead you around and round in circles for some products etc. Nest seem to have it down to a fine art. As I said, I can find 20+ Nest installers in Cork, I can't find one for Netatmo, which worries me.

Energia are handling the official installs of Netatmo in Dublin and Cork:

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/buy-a-netatmo-thermostat

You could go for the €79 deal above and buy the second thermostat for €99 yourself and when the Energia installer comes, ask him to do it too (maybe offer him an extra €50 for his trouble).

Any RGII installer should be able to easily install a Netatmo, there really isn't anything different about it from the standard non-smart types they install every day, at least not from the boiler side. The only reason they might be unsure, is setting up the internet side. But that really isn't hard if you are even a little technical.

ThisRegard · 15-10-2016 10:27AM

whiterebel wrote: »

As I said, I can find 20+ Nest installers in Cork, I can't find one for Netatmo, which worries me.

You don't need to advertise yourself as a specialist Netatmo installer. If they can install a timer or thermostat then they are a Netatmo installer.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 10:44AM

bk wrote: »

Energia are handling the official installs of Netatmo in Dublin and Cork:

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/free-netatmo-with-every-gas-boiler-service-%E2%82%AC79

https://www.energia.ie/energy-services/buy-a-netatmo-thermostat

You could go for the €79 deal above and buy the second thermostat for €99 yourself and when the Energia installer comes, ask him to do it too (maybe offer him an extra €50 for his trouble).

Any RGII installer should be able to easily install a Netatmo, there really isn't anything different about it from the standard non-smart types they install every day, at least not from the boiler side. The only reason they might be unsure, is setting up the internet side. But that really isn't hard if you are even a little technical.

I can't get the €79 deal because it is already zoned, I asked. Then back to €249 for one unit installed, which is still good, plus €99 plus fitting. Puts me back to the same money as Nest. I've signed up already for it, anyway.

bk · 15-10-2016 11:05AM

whiterebel wrote: »

I can't get the €79 deal because it is already zoned, I asked. Then back to €249 for one unit installed, which is still good, plus €99 plus fitting. Puts me back to the same money as Nest. I've signed up already for it, anyway.

Yes, in that case not such a great price difference so.

However the info I posted is more for anyone else thinking of getting a Netatmo. It really isn't difficult to get this installed if you have a compatible boiler set up.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 11:09AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

You don't need to advertise yourself as a specialist Netatmo installer. If they can install a timer or thermostat then they are a Netatmo installer.

I've asked about 5 and they aren't interested when it comes to Netatmo. They seem to have their own that they look after such as EPH, Smartzone, or Nest.

ThisRegard · 15-10-2016 11:16AM

What excuse do they give? Maybe it's just too short a job relative to the others to make it worthwhile, or they just don't know about them.

whiterebel · 15-10-2016 11:38AM

ThisRegard wrote: »

What excuse do they give? Maybe it's just too short a job relative to the others to make it worthwhile, or they just don't know about them.

Don't deal with them/ don't know about them/ do their own. Could be that they make money on the equipment, and installation only is of no interest?
Life is too short to be chasing someone to do something they don't want to do.
I did ask Energia about multizones with the Netatmo. First answer was no. I told them that i had been told that it does support this, and it clearly states that it does on the Netatmo specs on their website. They said they would get back to me. That was last Tuesday.......

Winterlong · 15-10-2016 12:46PM

whiterebel wrote: »

I've asked about 5 and they aren't interested when it comes to Netatmo. They seem to have their own that they look after such as EPH, Smartzone, or Nest.

That is very strange considering this is only slightly harder than a DIY job. Any electrician, even an apprentice, should be able to install it. Probably a case that they know the Nest thru having installed a few and dont know the Netamo so wont commit to being able to install it.

Netatmo Smart Thermostat for €99 delivered

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