Vegan Billboards from around the world.

Lady Haywire · 18-02-2019 2:46pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

You're on a veg*n forum. The prevailing preference amongst vegans is spelled out in TA's response. Reply to that, rather than my sarky answers - TA has far more patience than I.

It's actually a vegan & vegetarian forum so there are probably posters that would wear wool with no qualms.

davidjtaylor · 18-02-2019 3:03pm

veg*n = vegetarian or vegan

Lady Haywire · 18-02-2019 3:05pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

veg*n = vegetarian or vegan

Ooooh ok. I did not know that.

gozunda · 18-02-2019 6:17pm

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Of course TA's answer is an option! Read it again and understand what it says:

David - with respect thats pie in the sky and not a realistic option no matter how you look at it.

Sheep are not bred for their fleece only and increasingly not at all - as synethic fabrics take over. That leaves farmers with the necessity of shearing sheep whether the fleece is sold or otherwise. etc.

Should we cajole others into believing not shearing sheep or not using the wool produced in this process is good for sheep?

No the only ones that suits is those with an agenda and not the sheep. Nothing more.

Worztron · 19-02-2019 10:47am

https://www.reddit.com/r/vegan/comments/as297i/bus_ad_in_manchester

Tilikum17 · 20-03-2019 9:17pm

Sydney

gozunda · 27-03-2019 3:25am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Sydney

Yup 'none of the meat' and as about as far a away from 'plant based whole foods' as you can get. But that's the way the multi corporation food industry is trying to push our food supply I suppose ... Not a fan of industrial food at all tbh.

Tilikum17 · 27-03-2019 8:09am

gozunda wrote: »

Yup 'none of the meat' and as about as far a away from 'plant based whole foods' as you can get. But that's the way the multi corporation food industry is trying to push our food supply I suppose ... Not a fan of industrial food at all tbh.

Cool story, bro.

Tilikum17 · 27-03-2019 8:11am

Edinburgh yesterday.

gozunda · 27-03-2019 10:00am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Cool story, bro.

The truth can sometimes be unpleasant. Promoting or packaging junk foods as vegan. Who wins?

https://philmaffetone.com/junk-food-companies-keep-growing/

https://www.mouthymoney.co.uk/how-vegan-evangelists-are-propping-up-the-ultra-processed-food-industry/

Markcheese · 28-03-2019 9:40pm

Was talking to a restaurant owner today, who mentioned they had the beyond burger on their menu, (and that its gack), but it gets vegans in... And they usually buy one of their homemade vegan burgers instead... (3 to 1), so it serves a purpose... Even if it is expensive, super processed and gack...

Tar.Aldarion · 28-03-2019 10:07pm

Bujo?

Tilikum17 · 28-03-2019 10:32pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Was talking to a restaurant owner today, who mentioned they had the beyond burger on their menu, (and that its gack), but it gets vegans in... And they usually buy one of their homemade vegan burgers instead... (3 to 1), so it serves a purpose... Even if it is expensive, super processed and gack...

Did they mention it was gack?

Unearthly · 29-03-2019 5:34am

I'd be interested in knowing the name of this restaurant to.

Tilikum17 · 05-04-2019 10:31pm

Berlin

c.p.w.g.w · 05-04-2019 10:41pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Berlin

That oat milk is stupidity popular. with a stupid high mark-up(89% profit margin in a previous company I worked with).

Also in the States, was over last week and oat and almond milk were the milks of choice, had to ask for cows milk

Tar.Aldarion · 06-04-2019 5:18pm

Yeah it is selling out everywhere, particularly oat milk. Their barista edition is great. Even my mother drinks oat milk over dairy milk. Pretty big change coming from someone at her age from a complete farming background who would have been dubious of such things before. It's emissions, land use and water use are all low also.

Tilikum17 · 09-04-2019 10:26am

How desperate can the milk lobby in oatly’s home country be.

They’re now trying to sell dairy milk mixed with oak milk.

Markcheese · 09-04-2019 12:24pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

How desperate can the milk lobby in oatly’s home country be.

They’re now trying to sell dairy milk mixed with oak milk.

It does come across as a bit "neither fish nor fowl", I mean if you like milk, its not milk,
If you want oat milk (or oat drink, or cereal non dairy milk type substitute) then it's not that either,
And it's gonna be uht milk too so doubly ****e...

https://youtu.be/4t3njBw0G6k

gozunda · 09-04-2019 10:58pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

How desperate can the milk lobby in oatly’s home country be.

They’re now trying to sell dairy milk mixed with oak milk.

I think you will find that is usually milky porridge - except the oats are not cooked . It's been around along time. Served cold and very nice it is too

My mother would make it for us as small children. The Scots have a version with milk / cream and whiskey

https://www.christinascucina.com/atholl-brose-with-and-without-cream/

The company appear to be very environmentally aware. Fair play.

https://www.arla.com/sustainability/our-climate-ambition/

Tilikum17 · 10-04-2019 5:56am

gozunda wrote: »

I think you will find that is usually milky porridge - except the oats are not cooked . It's been around along time. Served cold and very nice it is too

My mother would make it for us as small children. The Scots have a version with milk / cream and whiskey

https://www.christinascucina.com/atholl-brose-with-and-without-cream/

The company appear to be very environmentally aware. Fair play.

https://www.arla.com/sustainability/our-climate-ambition/

Arla Lactose Milk & Oat Drink

Cold porridge in a bottle. It sounds revolting. I’m sure it will fly off the shelves

Trying anything at all to be plant based. Just as bad as the Irish dairy council & their plant based milk because the cows eat grass.

_Brian · 10-04-2019 8:08am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Arla Lactose Milk & Oat Drink

Cold porridge in a bottle. It sounds revolting. I’m sure it will fly off the shelves

Trying anything at all to be plant based. Just as bad as the Irish dairy council & their plant based milk because the cows eat grass.

Yea, calling milk plant based is a weak marketing strategy. It’s a quality product capable of standing on its own merits. There’s nothing as bad as false information on billboards, there allot of it on billboards in this thread.

Charles Ingles · 10-04-2019 8:14am

This vegan craze has to stop my daughter has been caught up in this "cult" her health is suffering she looks desperate her personality has completely changed

gozunda · 10-04-2019 9:04am

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Arla Lactose Milk & Oat Drink
Cold porridge in a bottle. It sounds revolting. I’m sure it will fly off the shelves
Trying anything at all to be plant based. Just as bad as the Irish dairy council & their plant based milk because the cows eat grass.

Christ on a bike - its only a drink and believe it or not the oat + milk drink my mother made was quite pleasant.

I dont believe food manufactures of vegan foods have a moral claim over certain foodstuffs such as oats over and above the rest of those eating a normal diet tbh.

Do you really think businesses gives a proverbial who they are selling to or should buyers of such foods have to show ID to prove they are plant based or something?

You'd swear someone personally stole something off someone :rolleyes:

davidjtaylor · 10-04-2019 9:22am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

This vegan craze has to stop my daughter has been caught up in this "cult" her health is suffering she looks desperate her personality has completely changed

Why did you pick this thread? It might have been better to start a new one. Maybe a mod. could split it off before it gets buried?

Anyway, it's hardly a 'craze' Charles - many have been vegan for decades - and most decidedly not a 'cult'; that would imply some kind of leader or religious aim and vegans tend to follow their own instincts.

That aside, why not embrace your daughter's decisions and help her? Life's a long learning journey, you never know what you might discover.

That's about as far as advice can go here, without more details of her diet, age, past eating habits, weight, general health and what she thinks.

Michael Gregor put together a handy booklet (free and downloadable) which might help your daughter.

Charles Ingles · 10-04-2019 9:26am

davidjtaylor wrote: »

It's hardly a 'craze' Charles - many have been vegan for decades - and most decidedly not a 'cult'; that would imply some kind of leader or religious aim and vegans tend to follow their own instincts.

That aside, why not embrace your daughter's decisions and help her? Life's a long learning journey, you never know what you might discover.

That's about as far as advice can go here, without more details of her diet, age, past eating habits, weight, general health and what she thinks.

Michael Gregor put together a handy booklet (free and downloadable) which might help your daughter.

No talking to her it's like she is brain washed hence the cult comparison.
I'm a very strong believer in eating meat and it's benefits.
Also I think an animal is better to have a good life and then to killed humanly rather than never have lived, if we follow the vegan model these animals with not be bred

Tilikum17 · 10-04-2019 9:32am

_Brian wrote: »

Yea, calling milk plant based is a weak marketing strategy. It’s a quality product capable of standing on its own merits. There’s nothing as bad as false information on billboards, there allot of it on billboards in this thread.

So you agree with me.

Thanks, Brian.

Tilikum17 · 10-04-2019 9:34am

_Brian wrote: »

Yea, calling milk plant based is a weak marketing strategy. It’s a quality product capable of standing on its own merits. There’s nothing as bad as false information on billboards, there allot of it on billboards in this thread.

So you agree with me.

Thanks, Brian.

davidjtaylor · 10-04-2019 9:38am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

No talking to her it's like she is brain washed hence the cult comparison.
I'm a very strong believer in eating meat and it's benefits.
Also I think an animal is better to have a good life and then to killed humanly rather than never have lived, if we follow the vegan model these animals with not be bred

Again, I would ask mods to put this in a separate thread.

Charles Ingles · 10-04-2019 9:43am

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Again, I would ask mods to put this in a separate thread.

Why I worry about the effect of these billboard and the pushing of the vegan agenda

is_that_so · 10-04-2019 9:46am

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Again, I would ask mods to put this in a separate thread.

Well, the aim of billboards is to promote something and other elements of the lifestyle have been mentioned on the thread so why not his comment?

Tar.Aldarion · 10-04-2019 9:51am

If you keep it somewhat related to the billboards it's fine. Otherwise I'll delete these posts.

gozunda · 10-04-2019 11:47am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Why I worry about the effect of these billboard and the pushing of the vegan agenda

I see what you are saying. It would appear that - billboards as an expression of veganism have evidently developed a certain following - with newly spotted ones been posted up on a regular basis

You mentioned the word cult earlier, interestingly the word 'cult' has two meanings - one relating to a religous type worship and a second - which denotes a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society eg
"the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
So applying the second - it's not unreasonable to see that these promotional billboards do have certain cult like aspects tbh.

And neither does it take a huge leap of logic to see how the beliefs and practices of a religion ie the Seventh-Day Adventists have evolved into today's veg*n movement.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-history-of-fake-meat-starts-with-the-seventh-day-adventist-church

Interstingly the American Dietetics Association was co-founded by Lena Cooper who was an active Seventh Day Adventist. This organisation today is frequently used by vegan advocates to justify and promote a vega*n diet with the following promotional advisory:

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

Tbh I can't remember the number of times I've seen this piece of text quoted as a means of promoting veganism etc. However I only found out recently that the same organisation- (the American Dietetic Association) ideologically has a veg*n background.

_Brian · 10-04-2019 11:57am

gozunda wrote: »

I see what you are saying. It would appear that - billboards as an expression of veganism have evidently developed a certain following - with newly spotted ones been posted up on a regular basis

You mentioned the word cult earlier, interestingly the word 'cult' has two meanings - one relating to a religous type worship and a second - which denotes a person or thing that is popular or fashionable among a particular group or section of society eg
"the series has become a bit of a cult in the UK"
So applying the second - it's not unreasonable to see that these promotional billboards do have certain cult like aspects tbh.

And neither does it take a huge leap of logic to see how the beliefs of the Seventh-Day Adventists have evolved into today's veg*n movement.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-history-of-fake-meat-starts-with-the-seventh-day-adventist-church

Interstingly the American Dietetics Association was co-founded by Lena Cooper who was an active Seventh Day Adventist. This organisation today is frequently used by vegan advocates to justify and promote a vega*n diet with the following promotional advisory:

Tbh I can't remember the number of times I've seen this piece of text quoted as a means of promoting veganism etc. However I only found out recently that the same organisation- (the American Dietetic Association) ideologically has a veg*n background.

It’s worth noting that the term Dietician holds different values in different countries. Here it’s a state protected term and only properly qualified Dieticians with specific training can use the term, everyone else is a quack.

I’m not sure about the US but my understanding it’s not the same qualification at all. So I can do a short basic course in America and call myself a dietician but that has no comparison to being a dietician here in Ireland.

That is why dieticians here have a much more rounded view and recommend a varied diet including meat, dairy and plenty of fruit and veg.

Much of the health benifets if veggie and vegan diets is fromnthe increased fruit and veg intake rather than the exclusion of meat and dairy, eating meat and dairy along with 7 portions of fruit and veg a day will be just as healthy.

More fruit and veg is tue way forward, but not at the expense of meat and dairy which are important in our diet.

Worztron · 10-04-2019 3:57pm

From https://twitter.com/GoVeganWorld2:

Worztron · 10-04-2019 3:59pm

https://twitter.com/GoVeganWorld2/status/1115325657171615747

Charles Ingles · 10-04-2019 4:02pm

Worztron wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GoVeganWorld2/status/1115325657171615747

Shocking these advertisements should be banned disgusting.
Anyway this animal only live to supply the human food chain, if not they would never have lived at all, veganism is actually more harmful to animals

ganmo · 10-04-2019 4:03pm

the image on the bus looks photo-shopped in to me

Unearthly · 10-04-2019 4:20pm

Good work Worztron. Keep them coming

Tilikum17 · 10-04-2019 4:26pm

Worztron wrote: »

From https://twitter.com/GoVeganWorld2:

Saw the same one today more closer to home.

gozunda · 10-04-2019 4:30pm

Worztron wrote: »

From https://twitter.com/GoVeganWorld2:

Using debunked data?

I believe it was the now debunked World Watch report Written by Goodland & Anhang (Livestock and Climate Change, 2009) that came up with the rubbish figure of 51% which has been laughed at by the experts and at least one honest vegan.

There’s only one problem with this eye-grabbing stat: it’s a load of manure. Emissions from livestock agriculture – including the methane from animals’ digestive systems, deforestation, land use change and energy use – make up around 15 per cent of global emissions, not 51 per cent.

https://climateandcapitalism.com/2016/02/13/22449/

It remains that Fossil fuel use and Transport are the two single biggest contributors to emissions on the planet, and only then agriculture which actually feeds people .

Plus the calculation for agriculture at present does not include the CO2 which ecosystems and grassland remove from the atmosphere by sequestering carbon in biomass, dead organic matter, and soils, which further offsets of emissions from this sector.

It just shows the propaganda continues*. It really doesn't help peoples impression of veganism when you get rubbish like that being promoted.

Edit: I tm followed the link to the Govegan website linked above and guess what?

Yes they are detailing Goodland & Anhangs, World Watch: Livestock and Climate Change, 2009: bull**** and now debunked figures

From:
https://goveganworld.com/destroying-our-shared-environment/

analysis shows that livestock and their byproducts actually account for at least 32,564 million tons of CO2e per year, or 51 percent of annual worldwide GHG emissions.

Surprise surprise. And this is the type of ****e the farming community have to put up with again and again.

I can understand why some vegans dont want to eat meat - I do not understand why theres any need to use now disbunked misinformation.

"Destroying our shared environment" my backside.....

c.p.w.g.w · 10-04-2019 9:41pm

Charles Ingles wrote: »

No talking to her it's like she is brain washed hence the cult comparison.
I'm a very strong believer in eating meat and it's benefits.
Also I think an animal is better to have a good life and then to killed humanly rather than never have lived, if we follow the vegan model these animals with not be bred

The veganuary thing certainly is a craze and I have seen a lot people going vegan, but whose diet is nutritional light

davidjtaylor · 11-04-2019 9:55am

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, the aim of billboards is to promote something and other elements of the lifestyle have been mentioned on the thread so why not his comment?

is_that_so, it just seemed worthy of a separate thread (to me), otherwise it might get buried and/or things go off-topic. Certainly some of Charles Ingles' words and claims are worth responding to in a focussed way.

I'm not a mod. so not sure of guidelines here. Carry on!

davidjtaylor · 11-04-2019 9:58am

Charles Ingles wrote: »

Shocking these advertisements should be banned disgusting.

It's subjective. I don't find them disgusting. I might not agree with them or the whole tactic but that's my subjective viewpoint.

The mods. have guidelines as to what's posted here and they're letting the thread stand.

Tilikum17 · 11-04-2019 9:08pm

From the car today. Sorry for the poor quality, I was sitting in the car.

Tilikum17 · 11-04-2019 9:09pm

Belfast

gozunda · 11-04-2019 9:26pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

From the car today. Sorry for the poor quality, I was sitting in the car.

That looks like the one put up a while back- same bus / location ?

Tilikum17 · 11-04-2019 9:27pm

gozunda wrote: »

That looks like the one put up a while back- same bus / location ?

Shoo pest.

gozunda · 11-04-2019 9:33pm

Tilikum17 wrote: »

Belfast

Bit Ironic that appears on Twitter on a stationary phone box.

Do they even have phone boxes any more? Cant remember the last time I saw a working one up there tbh...

Tilikum17 · 11-04-2019 9:34pm

gozunda wrote: »

Bit Ironic that appears on Twitter on a stationary phone box.

Do they even have phone boxes any more? Cant remember the last time I saw a working one up there tbh...

Cool story, bro. You forgot your ‘lol’

Vegan Billboards from around the world.

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