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Pellet stoves

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  • #52
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    beveragelady wrote: »
    I messed about with it for a bit and I think it's doing what I want it to do now. I really don't now for certain. I've searched online but I can't find any other version of the instructions. There are a few vital things missing, such as the settings, what the icons on the display mean, and things like running the auger to fill the chamber. I'll probably end up ringing the chap who sold it to me and asking some stupid questions.

    It's hard to tell for certain but I seem to be getting through a fraction of the pellets compared to the old boiler. I won't really know until I get a delivery and I see how long 3 tonnes last me. The Baxi would burn about 4 buckets of pellets a day, My guess is that this one is using less than half of that, I think probably a lot less. I have to bear in mind though that it's (supposed to be) June so it's bound to be less pellet-hungry.

    Shouldn't the installer have gone through all the settings with you ?

    Definitely call them up. You paid good money.

    I didn't realise your Baxi was a pellet boiler. :)


  • #53
    beveragelady
    Registered Users Posts: 854 ✭✭✭beveragelady


    The last bit of installation happened just as I was leaving for work. In fairness he tried to explain things but I only gave him time to talk me through emptying the ashpan. I foolishly assumed I'd be able to figure it out from the instruction manual.

    The old boiler was a Baxi multiheat. Pleasingly mechanical to deal with. A pain in the arse to clean, impossible to find somebody to service it, and probably wildly inefficient. It was here when I bought the house so it was probably about 15 years old. The instructions were mostly in Dutch with hand-written English annotations.


  • #54
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    beveragelady wrote: »
    The last bit of installation happened just as I was leaving for work. In fairness he tried to explain things but I only gave him time to talk me through emptying the ashpan. I foolishly assumed I'd be able to figure it out from the instruction manual.

    The old boiler was a Baxi multiheat. Pleasingly mechanical to deal with. A pain in the arse to clean, impossible to find somebody to service it, and probably wildly inefficient. It was here when I bought the house so it was probably about 15 years old. The instructions were mostly in Dutch with hand-written English annotations.

    No harm to contact the installer again, I'm sure he won't mind calling around for a cuppa. :)


  • #55
    NIMAN
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    Only change for me since I last posted was that we pulled out the multi-fuel stove from the living room, as it was just too dirty and the room was getting a revamp.

    We decided to just go with oil for the last winter, although the OH is still keen to get a slack burner in the garage. I am not so keen, as I think there is no future in coal, and to invest €5k in it now is a bad idea (and yes I still drive an EV).

    We found the oil more expensive, as we used to burn a combination of local turf and coal. In fact probably a good bit more expensive, but you have to accept this if you want to get away from dragging big buckets of coals and turf from your garage to your living room constantly. The ambient heat is gone now, and replaced with a bit of "I'm cold, stick on the heating" or "jez I'm roasted, turn off that heating for a while". Plus obviously the living room misses that direct heat from the stove itself.

    Still undecided about what the future holds. I think it'll be oil again next winter, but not really sure what my options are if a slack boiler is excluded. I asked about a A2W heat pump, and it does appear to be an option but an expensive one.


  • #56
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    NIMAN wrote: »
    Only change for me since I last posted was that we pulled out the multi-fuel stove from the living room, as it was just too dirty and the room was getting a revamp.

    We decided to just go with oil for the last winter, although the OH is still keen to get a slack burner in the garage. I am not so keen, as I think there is no future in coal, and to invest €5k in it now is a bad idea (and yes I still drive an EV).

    We found the oil more expensive, as we used to burn a combination of local turf and coal. In fact probably a good bit more expensive, but you have to accept this if you want to get away from dragging big buckets of coals and turf from your garage to your living room constantly. The ambient heat is gone now, and replaced with a bit of "I'm cold, stick on the heating" or "jez I'm roasted, turn off that heating for a while". Plus obviously the living room misses that direct heat from the stove itself.

    Still undecided about what the future holds. I think it'll be oil again next winter, but not really sure what my options are if a slack boiler is excluded. I asked about a A2W heat pump, and it does appear to be an option but an expensive one.

    No definitely stay away from coal if you can, unless it's smokeless which from talking to people who burn it says it's far better than the likes of Polish coal.

    But the work involved is a lot, Chimney cleaning, soot ash dust in the house.

    A2W is expensive but you can get night rate electricity and for 12 hrs per day it will run at half the cost. Worth taking a look.

    I'm getting a company form Galway to come out and take a look at our setup , it will be water to water, the most efficient, they can use the well depending on water quality. That would be amazing but depending on cost whether we go down that road or not.

    Our existing heating needs a complete revamp which is going to add significant cost.

    I'm astonished that coal is much cheaper than bottled gas which is the cleanest source of fossil fuel, bottled gas can cost up to 30 C/Kwh, coal 5-8 cent and oil 6-8 cent. Of course this also depends on the efficiency of how you burn it.


  • #57
    Jimmywangyang
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Jimmywangyang


    Hi @beveragelady,
    Just wondering how you are getting on with the boiler at this point?

    More or less settled on the pellet boiler i want, just looking for some more feedback :)


  • #58
    Shefwedfan
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    Jimmywangyang wrote: »
    Hi @beveragelady,
    Just wondering how you are getting on with the boiler at this point?

    More or less settled on the pellet boiler i want, just looking for some more feedback :)


    Feedback on pellet stoves is hard to find. I am looking to buy the room heater, about to pull the trigger on it but was trying to find anyone with them.....very very hard


  • #59
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Feedback on pellet stoves is hard to find. I am looking to buy the room heater, about to pull the trigger on it but was trying to find anyone with them.....very very hard

    I want to change the open gas fire to Pellet, free standing or insert not sure yet, I'd love to open the chimney.

    However, and I'm thinking out loud here, with the recent bad press about pellet stoves in Europe especially in larger towns and cities, pellet stoves are , and for good reason, seen less and less environmentally friendly both due to the emissions and where the pellets come from so, I am wondering how long will it be before restrictions are placed on these pellets and stoves also ? A modern Diesel is said to emit less PM 2.5 than pellet stoves, diesels have emissions control systems , pellet stoves do not.

    Anyway, I live in the sticks so it's not a big deal for me but I do wonder what the future holds for pellets and pellet stoves ?

    I read where pm 2.5 emitted from Pellet burning can be up to 15 times higher than from a modern condenser oil boiler, imagine that ?


  • #60
    Shefwedfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I want to change the open gas fire to Pellet, free standing or insert not sure yet, I'd love to open the chimney.

    However, and I'm thinking out loud here, with the recent bad press about pellet stoves in Europe especially in larger towns and cities, pellet stoves are , and for good reason, seen less and less environmentally friendly both due to the emissions and where the pellets come from so, I am wondering how long will it be before restrictions are placed on these pellets and stoves also ? A modern Diesel is said to emit less PM 2.5 than pellet stoves, diesels have emissions control systems , pellet stoves do not.

    Anyway, I live in the sticks so it's not a big deal for me but I do wonder what the future holds for pellets and pellet stoves ?

    I read where pm 2.5 emitted from Pellet burning can be up to 15 times higher than from a modern condenser oil boiler, imagine that ?


    We have a problem room. Either a stove or take off the roof:eek:


    So a stove is perfect, at the moment wood burning but no timer etc. So best option is pellet stove. If we got 10 years out of it then I could decide what to do with the room itself.....


    Its a beautiful room so no point wrecking it....Im kind of in the sticks as well so I doubt they will be worried about me


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  • #61
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    We have a problem room. Either a stove or take off the roof:eek:


    So a stove is perfect, at the moment wood burning but no timer etc. So best option is pellet stove. If we got 10 years out of it then I could decide what to do with the room itself.....


    Its a beautiful room so no point wrecking it....Im kind of in the sticks as well so I doubt they will be worried about me


    You have a problem room like conservatory ? same here and attached to the kitchen / dining area so it can make it quite chilly or we close the doors and it gets freezing altogether but have the oil stove which is dead handy one of the best things ever. Effel , I believe they are Nestor Martin today.

    I'd be looking for one for the sitting room when I don't want or need to heat the whole house, can have the stove on low in the kitchen/dining and use the pellet stove.

    I might get the pellets in bags, already get cat little pellets so won't be much of a big deal lol.

    We are still deciding whether to make the conservatory a proper room it's nice in Spring/Summer but a waste in Winter which is much longer lol.


  • #62
    Shefwedfan
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    Sunroom we have blocked off with triple glazed sliding door.....thats another days work...at the moment that is used as playroom :p

    We have this as the large sitting room. It leads onto the kitchen via a arch opening so no door in it. It means during the winter this room is like an ice box even with radiators and it pulls the heat out of the kitchen as well....

    We end up using another sitting room during winter which is a waste of the room

    Pic attached


  • #63
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Sunroom we have blocked off with triple glazed sliding door.....thats another days work...at the moment that is used as playroom :p

    We have this as the large sitting room. It leads onto the kitchen via a arch opening so no door in it. It means during the winter this room is like an ice box even with radiators and it pulls the heat out of the kitchen as well....

    We end up using another sitting room during winter which is a waste of the room

    Pic attached

    That's a lot of space that could be better used to be honest, our conservatory would be much smaller.


  • #64
    beveragelady
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    Jimmywangyang wrote: »
    Hi @beveragelady,
    Just wondering how you are getting on with the boiler at this point?

    More or less settled on the pellet boiler i want, just looking for some more feedback :)

    I've really only been running it for a week so it's still hard to tell how efficient it is. It's definitely working though! Loads of hot water, toasty house. The auger to fill the hopper automatically is a dream, I enjoy listening to it working away.
    It's easier to clean than my last one because it does a lot of it automatically, all I have to do is empty the ashpan. I have to confess that I'm still not 100% sure that I'm running it on the correct settings, that's a job I was going to seriously look into this weekend.
    I love that it turns itself off completely when the heating isn't on. My old one was always using pellets, even if the heating was off.


  • #65
    Shefwedfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That's a lot of space that could be better used to be honest, our conservatory would be much smaller.


    That was pic taken when room was empty....full of stuff now :-)


    Attached a pic of conservatory!!! today even with just the evening sun you can't stand in it with the heat.....few hours, it will be like the freezer


  • #66
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    beveragelady wrote: »
    I've really only been running it for a week so it's still hard to tell how efficient it is. It's definitely working though! Loads of hot water, toasty house. The auger to fill the hopper automatically is a dream, I enjoy listening to it working away.
    It's easier to clean than my last one because it does a lot of it automatically, all I have to do is empty the ashpan. I have to confess that I'm still not 100% sure that I'm running it on the correct settings, that's a job I was going to seriously look into this weekend.
    I love that it turns itself off completely when the heating isn't on. My old one was always using pellets, even if the heating was off.

    Can you post some pics ? :)


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  • #67
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    https://woodsmokepollution.org/pellet-stoves.html#targetText=Problems%20with%20Pellets,as%20a%20cleaner%20burning%20option.&targetText=A%20pellet%20stove%20can%20emit,1800%20times%20that%20of%20gas.

    Pellet stoves are promoted as a cleaner burning option. However, while it is true they emit fewer particulates than a log-burning stove, they are still significantly more polluting than a non-wood-burning form of heat. A pellet stove can emit 15 times more PM2.5 particulate pollution than oil heating, and up to 1800 times that of gas.



    Some Emissions Not Counted Officially
    Photo of pellets burning.
    As one study noted, emissions tests for pellet stoves generally omit the start-up and stop phases of operation. Yet, it is during these “transient operations” that pellet stoves produce “significantly high emissions such as carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon from incomplete combustion.” The researchers noted that when these higher-emitting phases of the burn cycle are included, the pellet stoves exceed their “eco” certification limits.



    Another study similarly concluded that the emissions from pellet stoves “measured according to technical standards does not provide representative data with respect to a real domestic utilization,” due to differences in operation and combustion conditions as well as the exclusion of the start-up phase from testing. This study also noted that settings on pellet stoves are often not optimized for the type of pellet being burned, further increasing emissions of various compounds.


    It has also been demonstrated that carcinogenic and mutagenic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) emitted from pellet stoves during start-up “have a higher toxicological burden” than during steady-state burning and that the ignition phase contributes substantially to the overall pollution output from pellet stoves. The researchers of this study concluded, “… in order to evaluate the real impact of pellet stoves on the environment, transient conditions should be taken into account. The ignition phase, even though it lasts only 20 minutes, can significantly contribute to pollutant emission.”



    Pellet Stove Emissions
    A study by the Northeast States for Coordinated Air Use Management (NESCAUM) noted that the combustion of wood pellets “produces atmospheric emissions of particulate matter, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, volatile organic compounds, mineral residues, and to a lesser extent sulfur oxides.”



    Pellets, however, are assumed to be cleaner than other kinds of wood combustion, largely on the assumption that pellets are relatively uniform in content and low in moisture, and their combustion in automated pellet stoves is more controlled than that of log-burning stoves. However, emissions can still vary significantly depending upon what kind of pellet stove is used, how it is operated and what kind of pellets are used.



    Pellet Quality Impurities
    The NESCAUM study analyzed 23 wood chip samples and 132 wood pellet samples manufactured in the U.S. and Canada and available for sale in eastern parts of the United States. They found that most of the pellets tested would meet U.S. voluntary standards, but would not be likely to meet the higher standards for residential use in Europe.


    Some pellet samples in their study had “unusually high concentrations of several heavy metals, including arsenic, copper and chromium.” It was assumed that this was due to the use of recycled preservative-treated and painted waste wood. Their analysis found a wide range of results, with many samples “higher than the ‘normal’ benchmark value.” Some samples had levels of heavy metals 4 to 7 times higher than the next highest sample.



    Photo of bag of pellets displaying a California Prop 65 toxicity warning.
    A legally mandated warning label on a bag of wood pellets in California.
    They also found that some pellets, in spite of claiming to be made from debarked wood, were “distinctly elevated for many metals,” while others were “relatively clean.” They found “no clear pattern relative to barked or debarked wood and elevated levels of metals as might be expected.” Even different samples from the same brands often had differing levels of contaminants.



    Some pellets that were darker, suggesting the inclusion of bark, had high cadmium concentrations. The study noted that high cadmium concentrations have been found in the bark of coniferous trees, debarked pine and willow. Trees generally store the metals that they absorb through the roots in their bark, which tends to have higher cadmium levels than in core wood.



    Others researchers have also noted the heavy metal content in both pellet and log-burning stove ashes.



    Toxic PAHs in Pellet Ashes
    It has also been noted that ash from pellet stoves contains highly toxic polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs). One study notes that ash is often used as a soil amendment, and recommends that ash from pellet stoves not be used on plants destined for human and animal food due to toxicity concerns.



    Pellet Emissions: Small Particle Size
    Other research has shown that the particles from pellet stoves, although fewer in number than from a log-burning stove, tend to be in the small PM1 size range that are particularly damaging to health (please see our Particulate Pollution page for more information about fine particulates).


  • #68
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    It's very difficult to find any traditional design pellet stoves , the boss isn't a fan of the contemporary design.

    Any recommendations? Only need about 5kw.


  • #69
    Shefwedfan
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    I just bite the bullet.....I will be broke for a month

    Went with the Stanley http://stoneandstoves.ie/product/8kw-solis-k100/

    In the red as well......8kW

    The Innofire was the other option from same company but they had none in stock and 4+ weeks before delivery and had installer ready to go, couldnt be bothered arguing with Misses so just bite the bullet......install 1st week of October


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    Herself now says the Henley bio 80q looks ok.

    What would people think about opening the chimney and fitting it in ?


  • #71
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I just bite the bullet.....I will be broke for a month

    Went with the Stanley http://stoneandstoves.ie/product/8kw-solis-k100/

    In the red as well......8kW

    The Innofire was the other option from same company but they had none in stock and 4+ weeks before delivery and had installer ready to go, couldnt be bothered arguing with Misses so just bite the bullet......install 1st week of October

    Nice well done , decision made .

    What's the cost of installation if you don't mind me asking ?


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  • #72
    Shefwedfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nice well done , decision made .

    What's the cost of installation if you don't mind me asking ?


    350


    All in I will be close to 2500 for stove and installation....flue liner etc....as the fireplace is open I need expensive flue and then flexi flue rest of way up


  • #73
    Shefwedfan
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    I did do a bit of looking in Italy, they seem cheaper, especially the Innofire which was 1500 here and 900 in Italy....found one company who would ship for 200 quid but they didn't stock Innofire....it was Palazzai or soemthing.....I maybe would of save 100-200 but for such a large purchase easier to buy local as imagine trying to get fixed


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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    350


    All in I will be close to 2500 for stove and installation....flue liner etc....as the fireplace is open I need expensive flue and then flexi flue rest of way up

    I was quoted up to 3 k for installation, to open chimney , flu etc is that mad ?


  • #75
    Shefwedfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I was quoted up to 3 k for installation, to open chimney , flu etc is that mad ?


    Thats fu*king crazy.....the flue for pellet is small. So if you have a current open fire with flue you will be able to push down the flexi flue and then just put the micorlite or whatever it is called around it......


    a 9m 150mm flexi flue is 250 quid....the pellet uses 80mm so cheaper......I will confirm later what my kit list was b


  • #76
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Thats fu*king crazy.....the flue for pellet is small. So if you have a current open fire with flue you will be able to push down the flexi flue and then just put the micorlite or whatever it is called around it......


    a 9m 150mm flexi flue is 250 quid....the pellet uses 80mm so cheaper......I will confirm later what my kit list was b

    Yeah the shop quoted "up to 3 K" but obviously I'll try find someone who can do it, the big thing is opening the chimney, it would be a large opening to fit one of those stoves in as they are a fair bit taller but on the other hand it might make the room a bit more spacious looking, the chimney is quite large and takes up a good bit of space, this is where the majority of the money will go.


  • #77
    Shefwedfan
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah the shop quoted "up to 3 K" but obviously I'll try find someone who can do it, the big thing is opening the chimney, it would be a large opening to fit one of those stoves in as they are a fair bit taller but on the other hand it might make the room a bit more spacious looking, the chimney is quite large and takes up a good bit of space, this is where the majority of the money will go.

    Pull the fireplace out yourself...normally the fireplace itself is huge and most of it is covered in the surround

    I had a 4 bed house before with fireplace, got guy to pull it out and put in insert wood burner stove....the size of the fireplace was huge when he took off surround etc

    What size room is it?


  • #78
    Shefwedfan
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    https://www.woodpelletstoves.ie/wood-pellet-air-stoves

    These guys have the Petit....nice little small one, contact them and they have seller all around Ireland


  • #79
    0lddog
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    Totally OT ... Would you consider avoiding messy pellets, cleaning and particulates with something like

    https://www.harveynorman.co.nz/home-appliances/heating-and-cooling/heat-pumps-and-air-conditioners/mitsubishi-electric-hypercore-ln35-high-wall-heat-pump-air-conditioner-white.html * ?

    Would probably come out at around 2.5k installed

    Hand held 7 day controller and remote control ( wifi built in ) included


    * available in Ireland but not from Harvey Norman in Ireland !


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    0lddog wrote: »
    Totally OT ... Would you consider avoiding messy pellets, cleaning and particulates with something like

    https://www.harveynorman.co.nz/home-appliances/heating-and-cooling/heat-pumps-and-air-conditioners/mitsubishi-electric-hypercore-ln35-high-wall-heat-pump-air-conditioner-white.html * ?

    Would probably come out at around 2.5k installed

    Hand held 7 day controller and remote control ( wifi built in ) included


    * available in Ireland but not from Harvey Norman in Ireland !

    800 watts in 4Kw out that's not bad, what does that work out as a cop of 5:1 ?

    Where can you get them here ?


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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Pull the fireplace out yourself...normally the fireplace itself is huge and most of it is covered in the surround

    I had a 4 bed house before with fireplace, got guy to pull it out and put in insert wood burner stove....the size of the fireplace was huge when he took off surround etc

    What size room is it?

    Small enough room roughly about 23 Sq M.

    Yeah I might do that, or consult someone local who can advise me lol.


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  • #82
    Shefwedfan
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    800 watts in 4Kw out that's not bad, what does that work out as a cop of 5:1 ?

    Where can you get them here ?

    Alll looks good but wait till you get price here

    Sticking up a price for something in the other part of world and then trying to translate just by currency doesn’t work

    I looked before at the air to water heater for immersion, other countries it looks reasonable

    Ireland it was crazy money


  • #83
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Alll looks good but wait till you get price here

    Sticking up a price for something in the other part of world and then trying to translate just by currency doesn’t work

    I looked before at the air to water heater for immersion, other countries it looks reasonable

    Ireland it was crazy money

    I'm trying to get that company in Galway to see if they can retrofit the W2W Heat Pump, actually I think it was you who put me on to it ? the HP is made by Heliotherm. But trying to get anyone in Ireland to come out is always a challenge but this will replace the main heating which needs replacing, most of the rads and it needs some modernising, the Boiler is probably fine, it's a 30 Kw if I remember correctly.


  • #84
    Shefwedfan
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm trying to get that company in Galway to see if they can retrofit the W2W Heat Pump, actually I think it was you who put me on to it ? the HP is made by Heliotherm. But trying to get anyone in Ireland to come out is always a challenge but this will replace the main heating which needs replacing, most of the rads and it needs some modernising, the Boiler is probably fine, it's a 30 Kw if I remember correctly.


    Could have been me :-)



    That's job after this.....I got a price....eye watering.....



    More or less 20k some of the guys wanted.....crazy stuff


    I willbe doing a bit of work myself so expect that to be chopped in half


    Keep the oil boiler to to up heating


    Electricity is the concern....with 2 electric showers(T90), 2 car chargers and then a heat pump :eek: I would need to upgrade the supply.....


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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Could have been me :-)



    That's job after this.....I got a price....eye watering.....



    More or less 20k some of the guys wanted.....crazy stuff


    I willbe doing a bit of work myself so expect that to be chopped in half


    Keep the oil boiler to to up heating


    Electricity is the concern....with 2 electric showers(T90), 2 car chargers and then a heat pump :eek: I would need to upgrade the supply.....

    20 K for what setup ? what does this include ?

    Yeah 20 K would buy over 20 years worth of oil, I am thinking of installing solar PV after that to help run it.

    But the real issue I have with HP is what happens if it breaks out of warranty or after 20 years ? what's the real savings after so long ? How long will the HP last and how much to replace etc.

    It's going to cost me I estimate around 3 K to upgrade the current heating and then I'm still on oil. But Oil has fallen in cost now compared to last year.

    1000 L of Oil will cost around 680 now compared to 800 this time last year so I hope it's a trend that continues.

    If that HP 0lddog showed can be got for a decent price in Ireland it would be ideal for keeping the sitting room ticking over during the day and I could just change the open gas fire to normal open fire for when People come over I could just light a few logs in it.

    I have the wonderful Efel 10 Kw Oil Stove in the Kitchen/Dining area which can also heat the conservatory if we need. It is very light on oil and provides good heat even when turned down low.


  • #86
    0lddog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭0lddog


    Deleted User wrote: »
    800 watts in 4Kw out that's not bad, what does that work out as a cop of 5:1 ?

    Where can you get them here ?

    For warranty reasons installation needs to be done by a mitsi electric ( MEC )approved installler

    Buy the hardware from the installer and VAT will be 13.5 instead of 23

    So buy from a local MEC installer

    Cautions :

    (a) The big MEC resellers wont be interested in such a small sale. Look for a small local guy

    (b) The MSZ-LN35VGHZ was not a stock item for Mitsi Ireland. They are common in less temperate parts of Europe. They brought a couple in for me - took about six weeks.

    (c) The installer that I used wanted me to take the stock product - I had to be a bit of a PITA on this but was he happy once he understood the ( cold weather performance ) reasons.

    In my case ( medium difficulty install I would say ) total finished cost was more or less 2.5k

    Try hard to estimate your heat requirement

    - Undersized will mean nobody happy
    - Oversized will mean the thing wont be as economic as it might be

    See also https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=110367807


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was just out cutting the lawn and I see the piles of wood I have to cut up and loads more to cut from trees etc so think I'm going to just go with a much cheaper wood/multifuel stove.

    + I got a mountain of garden waste that I could burn but need a way to cut it and make it suitable for burning, you know bits of small branches and twigs etc ? anyone know of a good way to kind of make that into logs ?


  • #88
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Job done, up and running.....great job so far


  • #89
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Job done, up and running.....great job so far

    I like that, well done , looks great !

    What ate the dimensions of the stove ?


  • #90
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I like that, well done , looks great !

    What ate the dimensions of the stove ?

    This is it here

    http://stoneandstoves.ie/product/8kw-solis-k100/

    Seemingly fairly new as the shop and installer had no idea it comes with a little remote to turn heat up/down from couch so I don’t have to move my ass


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  • #91
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah I like it. Way too big for my Sitting room, 8 Kw , I'd need 3 Kw probably max.

    492307.jpg


  • #92
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah I like it. Way too big for my Sitting room, 8 Kw , I'd need 3 Kw probably max.

    492307.jpg


    She blows a great bit of heat out of her, perfect job for the room....now all I need is a good frosty night and test it out


  • #93
    Jenaoi
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Jenaoi


    Hi. I’m getting a k stove karat 6w wood pellet stove and just wondering if anyone Has any opinion on them. Are they very noisy or can you turn the fan down?


  • #94
    EHP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭EHP


    Jenaoi wrote: »
    Hi. I’m getting a k stove karat 6w wood pellet stove and just wondering if anyone Has any opinion on them. Are they very noisy or can you turn the fan down?

    I've only fitted one of these and fixed a few they used to be sold by a supplier here in cork who no longer does them and I find it hard to get parts where did you buy it?. I think they are louder than most of the other pellet stoves.


  • #95
    S'
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭S'


    I am considering a Pellet boiler stove to replace my 16kW Nestor Martin solid fuel stove. Any reviews from people that had them installing recently?
    There are a few common manufactures - MCZ, Ungaro, ravelli, Kalor & Palazzetti.


  • #96
    GaGa21
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 652 ✭✭✭GaGa21


    We're recently installed the MCZ 16kw pellet boiler stove.
    Pros:
    We went for a self cleaning model which is great. Just needs a clean once a week instead of every couple of days.
    There is hardly any noise from it.
    Looks good and great heat from it in the room.

    Cons:
    We are having issues trying to balance the heating. So far it seems to only heat rads fully when at full temp which is 30°. This is not practical heatwise or costwise as it's going through the pellets fast.
    Anyone else know if this is normal for the pellet boiler stoves?

    So if we can resolve that, we will be happy and would recommend it.
    Only one supplier of MCZ in Ireland which is where we purchased ours.


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  • #97
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    S' wrote: »
    I am considering a Pellet boiler stove to replace my 16kW Nestor Martin solid fuel stove. Any reviews from people that had them installing recently?
    There are a few common manufactures - MCZ, Ungaro, ravelli, Kalor & Palazzetti.


    We ended up with the Stanley
    https://stoneandstoves.ie/product/8kw-solis-k100/


    This is just a room heater. Not connected to the heating.



    Pro
    Timer is very handy, will kick off at 6 in morning and have room lovely and warm by time kids come up.

    Very very easy to clean, have a hoover and just clean it out
    Set temp so it will increase/decrease to hit temp. With solid fuel before you could end up with a room which was too hot to sit in, let fire fie out and then too cold


    Con
    Cannot control from web. I have everything else connected, might try via a smart plug
    Pellet storage, I haven't really worked out how to store a full pallet of pellets so I am buying 3-4 bags at a time so paying a little extra.



    All in I am glad I went with it, a lot easier to push a button and it starts to heat the room instead of fecking around with matchs etc


  • #98
    S'
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭S'


    GaGa21 wrote: »
    We're cently installed the MCZ 16kw pellet boiler stove.
    Pros
    We went for a self cleaning model which is great. Just needs a clean once a week instead of every couple of days.
    There is hardly any noise from it.
    Looks good and great heat from it.

    Cons
    We are having issues trying to balance the heating. So far it seems to only heat rads fully when at full temp which is 30°. This is not practical heatwise or costwise as it's going through the pellets fast.
    Anyone else know if this is normal for the pellet boiler stoves?

    So if we can resolve that, we will be happy and would recommend it.
    Only one supplier of MCZ in Ireland which is were we purchased ours.

    Thanks for that.
    MCZ is the manufacture that I am interested in. Do you set the water temperature setpoint to try an manitain that temperature through the rads? Wouldn't 30deg be too low of a temperature? I was thinking maybe 60deg.
    How many pellets is it consuming at the moment?

    Maybe you should go back to the place where you bought it to see if they have any advice.


  • #99
    wellboss
    Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭wellboss


    Does anybody have any experience with the Tosca 24kw wood pellet Boiler.

    I have an old multifuel stove connected to the back boiler but it is not strong enough for the rads and is old and messy. Just bought the house and my thinking was to get a powerful wood pellet that would do CH rads and local heat in sitting room area so I wouldn't need my oil anymore.

    I was all set for a wood pellet but this thread has me more confused now.
    I might just replace current stove with local heat wood pellet and cont to use the oil for Central Heating


    Any solid reports on wood pellet boiler stoves?


  • #100
    Curiouslady01
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Curiouslady01


    Hi folks, just a quick question. How do I go about putting in a complaint about a kalor pellet boiler to kalor? If anyone has the information it would be appreciated.

    Many thanks.


  • #101
    EHP
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭EHP


    Kalors distribution in Ireland is by woodpellet stoves.
    You can contact them threw the website www.woodpelletstoves.ie.


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