Knock/Eirtrade thread

04-02-2020 1:00pm #1

Inbound to knock on Friday between 1300-1400 for scrapping F-HPJB

Locker10a · 04-02-2020 1:20pm

For real?! An A380 will be scrapped in NOC?

easypazz · 04-02-2020 1:22pm

How did this come about?

Van.Bosch · 04-02-2020 1:22pm

Locker10a wrote: »

For real?! An A380 will be scrapped in NOC?

Seems unbelievable to me too, unless that lad who owns the glamping campsite with the 767? is taking it but I would imagine there would be press about that.

Board Walker · 04-02-2020 1:34pm

https://simpleflying.com/air-france-superjumbo-retirement/

Unbelievable!

How will they transport the Turbines? Surely They would need a large aircraft to be able to take off there

L1011 · 04-02-2020 1:34pm

There is a scrapping/salvage firm (Eirtrade I think) in NOC.

Board Walker wrote: »

Which Aircraft?? Surely a Test bed?

Reg is in the opening post. Normal A380, actually one of the Wave 2 ones that don't have the difficult to maintain wiring harnesses at that.

sparrowcar · 04-02-2020 1:35pm

FHPJB
Its mad altogether but seems legit.

04-02-2020 1:38pm

Call sign is AFR375S. As always info comes with a health warning but this seems legit.

04-02-2020 1:42pm

Board Walker wrote: »

https://simpleflying.com/air-france-superjumbo-retirement/

Unbelievable!

How will they transport the Turbines? Surely They would need a large aircraft to be able to take off there

Usual more cost effective to use a low loader. There again you may see an IL76 or a 747 fly in to pick them up.

PCros · 04-02-2020 2:05pm

This aircraft is only 10 years old...

Are A380's haemorrhaging money that badly?

lawred2 · 04-02-2020 2:07pm

would have thought this was a rather disappointing turn of events for Airbus

04-02-2020 2:09pm

lawred2 wrote: »

would have thought this was a rather disappointing turn of events for Airbus

Airbus won’t care at this stage as they have been fully paid. The production line shutting down soon so they have adjusted to it. No orders in quite some time.

RocketRaccoon · 04-02-2020 2:12pm

In knock??? Really? Is the runway able to handle it? And where will it be stored?

cnocbui · 04-02-2020 2:14pm

I'll take it.

Idbatterim · 04-02-2020 2:24pm

why are airlines still talking delivery of these, if relatively new ones are already being scrapped? I mean the economics will be the same surely, in ten years when the new ones need a refit?!

Skyknight · 04-02-2020 2:47pm

EIKN is 747 capable, under certain circumstances....and it's not like its going anywhere afterwards(except piece by piece).

artanevilla · 04-02-2020 2:52pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

In knock??? Really? Is the runway able to handle it? And where will it be stored?

Be landing empty so should be fine. Will be torn down, so no need for big storage. Parts will go to Rathcoole I'd imagine.

kevinandrew · 04-02-2020 3:20pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

why are airlines still talking delivery of these, if relatively new ones are already being scrapped? I mean the economics will be the same surely, in ten years when the new ones need a refit?!

The only airline still taking delivery of the A380 is Emirates as these are part of long standing orders, the cost of cancelling from Airbus, purchasing a second hand frame and then refitting such a large airliner would be outrageously high.

The second hand market for the A380 is near non existent anyway, nobody wants to take a 10 year old A380 at market value and begin the difficult, time consuming and expensive task of stripping it and reconfiguring it to their standards.

Skyknight · 04-02-2020 3:50pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

why are airlines still talking delivery of these, if relatively new ones are already being scrapped? I mean the economics will be the same surely, in ten years when the new ones need a refit?!

F-HPJB was No.40 off the production line, and in all likelihood is among the heavier of the A380's, and therefore a lot more expensive to run.

hopeso · 04-02-2020 4:01pm

PCros wrote: »

This aircraft is only 10 years old...

Are A380's haemorrhaging money that badly?

All Air France A380's are to be gone from the fleet by 2022 apparently....

intellectual dosser · 04-02-2020 4:05pm

I don't buy this, where would the aircraft even sit while it is being dismantled?

L1011 · 04-02-2020 4:09pm

intellectual dosser wrote: »

I don't buy this, where would the aircraft even sit while it is being dismantled?

Eitrade have a hangar and pad which they've scrapped plenty of other airframes on

https://eirtradeaviation.com/asset-management/aircraft-storage-disassembly/

intellectual dosser · 04-02-2020 4:12pm

L1011 wrote: »

Eitrade have a hangar and pad which they've scrapped plenty of other airframes on

https://eirtradeaviation.com/asset-management/aircraft-storage-disassembly/

I had no idea that was there..

cnocbui · 04-02-2020 4:23pm

I was very recently reading an article on choosing flights and it was saying for economy seating, particularly long duration, your best bet was an A380. It's certainly would be my preference for a 12 hour flight. This is a retrograde step from the point of view of passenger comfort.

PinOnTheRight · 04-02-2020 4:53pm

Incidentally, I read today that the final set of A380 wings to be produced are to leave the factory in Broughton on Thursday.

Turbulent Bill · 04-02-2020 10:04pm

I'd love to see an operating cost analysis for the A380. The big twins are more efficient, but that was the case even when the A380 was launched. Are they a maintenance black hole?

Crazy to think that a 10 year old airframe is going for beer cans, but presumably the bean counters know their stuff.

Noxegon · 04-02-2020 11:09pm

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

Incidentally, I read today that the final set of A380 wings to be produced are to leave the factory in Broughton on Thursday.

One less line to move post-Brexit.

mayotom · 04-02-2020 11:25pm

kevinandrew wrote: »

The only airline still taking delivery of the A380 is Emirates as these are part of long standing orders, the cost of cancelling from Airbus, purchasing a second hand frame and then refitting such a large airliner would be outrageously high.

The second hand market for the A380 is near non existent anyway, nobody wants to take a 10 year old A380 at market value and begin the difficult, time consuming and expensive task of stripping it and reconfiguring it to their standards.

This is the last set of Wings, it was moved out of the factory here at Hawarden this afternoon, due to ship out on Thursday. Will be for ANA Japanese airlines who are in the process of recieving the final few aircraft.

mayotom · 04-02-2020 11:28pm

PinOnTheRight wrote: »

Incidentally, I read today that the final set of A380 wings to be produced are to leave the factory in Broughton on Thursday.

Was down at the factory this afternoon they were moving the wings out to the Dock for Thursday's sailing

EI321 · 05-02-2020 1:44am

Apparently the A380s are a maintenance nightmare as they age due to their vast complexity. The lack of a second hand or freighter conversion market will see many parked or scrapped as they approach what used to be D checks.

easypazz · 05-02-2020 1:57am

EI321 wrote: »

Apparently the A380s are a maintenance nightmare as they age due to their vast complexity. The lack of a second hand or freighter conversion market will see many parked or scrapped as they approach what used to be D checks.

I'd imagine airports will start culling the infrastructure for them too, double airbridge etc., so the number of available route options will fall.

embraer170 · 05-02-2020 11:20am

Deleted User wrote: »

Inbound to knock on Friday between 1300-1400 for scrapping F-HPJB

Well the flight did not happen yesterday. Any idea when it might be expected?

RocketRaccoon · 05-02-2020 11:21am

embraer170 wrote: »

Well the flight did not happen yesterday. Any idea when it might be expected?

Yesterday was Tuesday??

embraer170 · 05-02-2020 11:22am

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Yesterday was Tuesday??

I misread the post. I didn't realise it said Friday.

I hope there are some people in NOC on Friday with good cameras.

eastmayo · 05-02-2020 11:35am

embraer170 wrote: »

I misread the post. I didn't realise it said Friday.

I hope there are some people in NOC on Friday with good cameras.

From what I hear it will not arrive this Friday, more towards the end off this month.

hopeso · 05-02-2020 11:44am

eastmayo wrote: »

From what I hear it will not arrive this Friday, more towards the end off this month.

I’m kind of surprised at the time of 13:00 - 14:00. This will draw a large crowd if/when it happens. Surely that time of day would be busy at the airport, and there would be a risk of arriving passengers getting delayed.

jamo2oo9 · 05-02-2020 11:50am

First sets of aircrafts are normally hot beds for errors. Manufacturers get information about what's wrong with them from the airlines and they'll fix those problems on newer aircraft. Very normal to scrap 10 year old planes if you're the first one to get it. Consider this as a beta test if you're the first one to get the aircraft. Any problems you have, report it to the developer i.e. Airbus and they'll sort them out. Within 2 years of first aircraft delivered, the issues are pretty much solved.

05-02-2020 1:14pm

hopeso wrote: »

I’m kind of surprised at the time of 13:00 - 14:00. This will draw a large crowd if/when it happens. Surely that time of day would be busy at the airport, and there would be a risk of arriving passengers getting delayed.

It’s scheduled to arrive after the last departure for two hours. It will have 60 mins to land and be moved to the central apron where it will be dismantled. More than enough time.

RocketRaccoon · 05-02-2020 1:21pm

Someone asked on Twitter and the airport said there's no truth to the rumours

Car99 · 05-02-2020 1:22pm

easypazz wrote: »

I'd imagine airports will start culling the infrastructure for them too, double airbridge etc., so the number of available route options will fall.

Gatwick just added another A380 capable gate late last year for Emirates 380 so if the aircraft are coming the airports will accommodate them if the numbers add up.

Board Walker · 05-02-2020 1:25pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Someone asked on Twitter and the airport said there's no truth to the rumours

I believe the question that was asked was “was it due in on Friday” to which they replied “No”

05-02-2020 1:58pm

Board Walker wrote: »

I believe the question that was asked was “was it due in on Friday” to which they replied “No”

"I heard a rumor there's a A380 arriving into Knock on Friday to be dismantled.. Any truth to it ?

"No"

Exact tweets.

I've seen the Air France dispatch webpage and its on it to depart Dresden at 1100 local and arrive NOC at 13:30, even has the captains name on it.

Elaborate hoax or has it been delayed. Note Eirtrade webpage says they dismantle out aircraft up to and including A380's.

PommieBast · 05-02-2020 2:08pm

Turbulent Bill wrote: »

I'd love to see an operating cost analysis for the A380. The big twins are more efficient, but that was the case even when the A380 was launched. Are they a maintenance black hole?

It only ever made sense on a small number of ultra-busy slot-limited long-haul routes, and Emirates aside I think a lot of its market share was simply cannibalising the 747. A major problem is the huge losses that result from not filling up the plane..

05-02-2020 2:10pm

Will have to call up for that, should see it leaving dresden on flight radar.
Maybe the airport don't want a crowd blocking access roads.

Manuel · 05-02-2020 2:20pm

L1011 wrote: »

Eitrade have a hangar and pad which they've scrapped plenty of other airframes on

https://eirtradeaviation.com/asset-management/aircraft-storage-disassembly/

Crikey, you'd make a fair few miraculous medals from the frame of an A380 ....

embraer170 · 05-02-2020 2:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Will have to call up for that, should see it leaving dresden on flight radar.
Maybe the airport don't want a crowd blocking access roads.

It would be a good free PR opportunity for the airport if done right.

Hotblack Desiato · 05-02-2020 2:49pm

Can't imagine the lessor would be keen for any publicity about this, but it is history being made - in a way

L1011 · 05-02-2020 2:54pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Can't imagine the lessor would be keen for any publicity about this, but it is history being made - in a way

Its not the first A380 to be scrapped, and not the first airframe to be scrapped at NOC either so its not quite as momentous as it could be.

Hotblack Desiato · 05-02-2020 2:56pm

Even if it wasn't being scrapped, the arrival of a 380 to anywhere Ireland, let alone Knock, would be a big deal.

embraer170 · 05-02-2020 3:00pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Even if it wasn't being scrapped, the arrival of a 380 to anywhere Ireland, let alone Knock, would be a big deal.

There have been A380s in Dublin and Shannon before. But an A380 at an Irish regional airport, that would be quite something.

What wide-bodies has Knock seen before? I presume some Boeing 767s at various times.

I know Kerry handled a TAP Air Portugal Airbus A310 in the mid-1990s, not long after the new runway opened. There was once a photo in a special Kerry airport supplement in the local paper (Kerryman), but I have never been able to locate it again. Kerry even had a Concorde fly-by once. Now those were different times...

L1011 · 05-02-2020 3:08pm

embraer170 wrote: »

What wide-bodies has Knock seen before? I presume some Boeing 767s at various times.

Globespan may have used 767s sometimes on GLA-NOC-JFK but it was scheduled for a 757 as were the more recent EI BOS/JFK charters.

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