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what is the burning passion for having an open fire?

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  • #202
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Moon Indigo wrote: »
    Thanks for this never heard of it to be honest! Will most certainly check it out. If you have any further info can you send it my way? Sounds like a decent plan. The oil covertor for the Stanley That is

    Could only find a unit like this on adverts but it was 4 years ago being sold .. but it does show that there is/was a unit for converting a solid fuel stanley range to oil :

    https://www.adverts.ie/stoves/oil-burner-to-convert-stanley-range-from-solid-fuel-to-oil/7709589

    the Riello RDB2 burner €300 - if a heating tech knew what they were (safely) doing i would be pretty sure they would find a way of fitting this neat compact riello burner inside your existing stanley range setup. - however its designed for an outdoor boiler unit so may be quite noisy for an indoor range , especially if it in a kitchen

    https://www.plumbingproducts.ie/oil-burners-ireland/3018-riello-rdb-21-oil-burner.html

    and a thread on boards , although it not very busy on it but here it is anyway.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=63470493&postcount=1

    the general concensus on their them saying keep it solid fuel and fit an outside boiler but then not much use if your on a budget


  • #203
    Moon Indigo
    Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭Moon Indigo


    I just sincerely want to say thank you to everyone I was really honestly worried about having no central heating. You kind people have helped me tons knowing there’s is a slight possibility of a Stanley conversion. Thank you and hey sorry if I took over too much space on this thread. I’m going to test my luck.. if anyone in Dublin/Kildare does or knows of someone who does these stanley to oil conversions (and is not a cowboy!) Let me know. Thank you once again I mean that


  • #204
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    The ban on smoky coal was first promised by Labour’s Alan Kelly in 2015 .. and was to take place in autumn 2019 - richard bruton stopped it and has shelved it indefinitely now

    Good. Getting bloody sick of this nanny state, taxing and banning. What's next? Cattle? Save the planet me hole. It's just a money grab.

    If they truly wanted to go green then go for it. Use proper joined up thinking. Help people to go green (Not just the middle class) Proper Heating and insulation grants. Proper cycle ways. Use the huge amounts of water we get for power.

    We moved away from the open hearth and now have a multi fuel stove. Much more efficient.

    Apologies for the rant but tax tax tax or ban ban ban is not the way forward.


  • #205
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I like open fires, but the hassle of lighting and cleaning them would put me off using it. Gas fires might not be the same but the convenience of flicking a switch makes up for that imo. Electric fake fires can do one though, I've never seen a convincing one.


  • #206
    fallen01angel
    Registered Users Posts: 338 ✭✭fallen01angel


    When I bought my house there was a horrible gas insert stove fitted, which I absolutely hated,it gave off an awful dry heat. Put up with it for a couple of yrs, but as soon as I could afford it, got it ripped out and replaced with a big fronted wood burning stove,now I throw in a fire lighter,couple of bits of kindling and off she goes. The wood burns away to absolute dust,so easy to clean and makes it so cosy on the cold dark nights. No way would I be without it.


  • #207
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Moon Indigo wrote: »
    I just sincerely want to say thank you to everyone I was really honestly worried about having no central heating. You kind people have helped me tons knowing there’s is a slight possibility of a Stanley conversion. Thank you and hey sorry if I took over too much space on this thread. I’m going to test my luck.. if anyone in Dublin/Kildare does or knows of someone who does these stanley to oil conversions (and is not a cowboy!) Let me know. Thank you once again I mean that
    Forget about converting a Stanley range to oil. It's a hugely inefficient job. The boiler surface in the range is completely unsuitable for heat transfer from an oil burner, as it was designed to absorb heat from the higher temperature smaller solid core of burning stove coal, logs, briquettes. You might as well try to roast a chicken with a hair dryer.
    You will very quickly find that the amount of oil you use is way more than is required if you had a proper oil boiler. Even if you could find the particular burner that used to be fitted (I know of one sitting idle 15 years), the whole job could cost you well over a €1000, not counting oil tank and installation. Your range would most likely stink of oil fumes, and your radiators would struggle to heat, while your oil usage would bankrupt you.
    Get an efficient condensor boiler fitted, scrap, or keep the range if you like the feel and smell of it in the room, boil the kettle and the spuds on it, but don't expect it to become a central heating boiler.


  • #208
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    OldRio wrote: »
    Good. Getting bloody sick of this nanny state....
    ....Apologies for the rant but tax tax tax or ban ban ban is not the way forward.

    Haha, but since the foundation of the state it's been successive governments' core principles. Banning is in our genes, especially if it's something in the least way pleasurable. As for taxing.....


  • #209
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,465 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    deezell wrote: »
    Forget about converting a Stanley range to oil. It's a hugely inefficient job. The boiler surface in the range is completely unsuitable for heat transfer from an oil burner, as it was designed to absorb heat from the higher temperature smaller solid core of burning stove coal, logs, briquettes. You might as well try to roast a chicken with a hair dryer.
    You will very quickly find that the amount of oil you use is way more than is required if you had a proper oil boiler. Even if you could find the particular burner that used to be fitted (I know of one sitting idle 15 years), the whole job could cost you well over a €1000, not counting oil tank and installation. Your range would most likely stink of oil fumes, and your radiators would struggle to heat, while your oil usage would bankrupt you.
    Get an efficient condensor boiler fitted, scrap, or keep the range if you like the feel and smell of it in the room, boil the kettle and the spuds on it, but don't expect it to become a central heating boiler.

    Yes a condenser boiler will be a far better prospect.
    Oil usage, reliability better. No oil smells in the house etc.


  • #210
    davedonie
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭davedonie


    I'd be lost without the open fire. I've no central heating, would love an insert stove but cant affors one. I only light it when it's so cold that the dogs (my hot water bottles, love em) are looking cold themselves.
    I have a fan heater but only use it for 20 mins to take nip out of the air.


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  • #211
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Warm, cosy, beautiful, what is not to like ? :)


  • #212
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    davedonie wrote: »
    I'd be lost without the open fire. I've no central heating, would love an insert stove but cant affors one. I only light it when it's so cold that the dogs (my hot water bottles, love em) are looking cold themselves.
    I have a fan heater but only use it for 20 mins to take nip out of the air.

    There's 3 used ones going on Adverts.ie, search inset stove as well as insert stove . This one in Portlaoise but it's already under asking price offer of €170, so you'd need to be quick and pay more than asking
    http://www.adverts.ie/19283917
    Decent one here in Galway, €200, front fit more than insert,
    https://www.donedeal.ie/heating-for-sale/black-enamel-5kw-stove/23653764


  • #213
    air
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭air


    OldRio wrote: »
    Use the huge amounts of water we get for power.

    Just on this point, there are basically no major opportunities left for hydro energy production unfortunately.

    Even the likes of Ardnacrusha makes a tiny overall contribution, the country is too flat.

    Dams also typically involve flooding land and displacing people, neither of which are popular.


  • #214
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    I'll take a nice cosy warm hearth, that adds a nice ambience, over a soulless electric heater any day, thanks.

    And if it's CO2 emissions you're concerned about, such fires don't really contribute to it compared to logistics and the industries... yet Joe Green politician thinks WE'RE to blame... nevermind the fact for millennias people have been having such fires... :rolleyes:


  • #215
    BeerWolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    charlietheminxx wrote: »
    I have a new build house and I am a little bit sad I'll never have an open fire again. They are just lovely and cosy and give a fantastic glow, always brilliant during power cuts too. There's something soothing about the flicking warm light and the heat and the gentle crackling.

    You can always YouTube a video of it... :p


  • #216
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Candie wrote: »
    I like open fires, but the hassle of lighting and cleaning them would put me off using it. Gas fires might not be the same but the convenience of flicking a switch makes up for that imo. Electric fake fires can do one though, I've never seen a convincing one.

    so after I read this comment i googled 'what is the most realistic looking electric fire?' and this came up from DID electrical - a snip at only €750 :eek: .. i'll take 2 thanks..

    https://www.did.ie/dimplex-wall-mount-electric-fire-sp16e-sp16e-prd?param1=wgmidmarfb&gclid=CjwKCAiA27LvBRB0EiwAPc8XWf7pW-zjVtLT3qkeIXUy321CtueyNMpXsHZsa5VrPcwIjyL75iDRQRoCx9EQAvD_BwE#

    sp16-1.jpg


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  • #217
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    so after I read this comment i googled 'what is the most realistic looking electric fire?' and this came up from DID electrical - a snip at only €750 :eek: .. i'll take 2 thanks..

    https://www.did.ie/dimplex-wall-mount-electric-fire-sp16e-sp16e-prd?param1=wgmidmarfb&gclid=CjwKCAiA27LvBRB0EiwAPc8XWf7pW-zjVtLT3qkeIXUy321CtueyNMpXsHZsa5VrPcwIjyL75iDRQRoCx9EQAvD_BwE#


    I thought it was a very widescreen telly


  • #218
    Leg End Reject
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,543 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    A fire on a night like this is succour for the soul.
    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #219
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Moon Indigo wrote: »
    I just sincerely want to say thank you to everyone I was really honestly worried about having no central heating. You kind people have helped me tons knowing there’s is a slight possibility of a Stanley conversion. Thank you and hey sorry if I took over too much space on this thread. I’m going to test my luck.. if anyone in Dublin/Kildare does or knows of someone who does these stanley to oil conversions (and is not a cowboy!) Let me know. Thank you once again I mean that

    Thats quite alright - it makes a nice refreshing change to find someone appreciative of some information given .

    hope you find someone who will be able to convert it for you ...


  • #220
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,675 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    On a night like this it's nice to sit in front of the open fire, I burn briquettes and timber and there's great heat out of it.

    The Green Party will probably want us to stop doing that next if they get their hands on the levers of power.


  • #221
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Candie wrote: »
    I like open fires, but the hassle of lighting and cleaning them would put me off using it. Gas fires might not be the same but the convenience of flicking a switch makes up for that imo. Electric fake fires can do one though, I've never seen a convincing one.

    sometimes you do need nanny state to kick in to change things though otherwise nothing will ever change - the other think where governments have took control and stepped in is the smoking ban in pubs and inside buildings. its one of the best things to happen. so much retaliation at the time and people saying they were going to defy it and carry on .. and yet it all turned out pretty good in the end and one of the best things to implement in Ireland


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  • #222
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    sometimes you do need nanny state to kick in to change things though otherwise nothing will ever change - the other think where governments have took control and stepped in is the smoking ban in pubs and inside buildings. its one of the best things to happen. so much retaliation at the time and people saying they were going to defy it and carry on .. and yet it all turned out pretty good in the end and one of the best things to implement in Ireland




    Ahh yea its working great all the pubs are dieing a death just like they intended. Being dull as dishwater seems to be a requirement to become a politician and when you have these kind of shaggers running the country it becomes more and more like being in school every day.



    If they get their way it will look on paper as though we have a mighty quality of life but there will be no craic left and we'll end up living like caged hens


  • #223
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,675 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    sometimes you do need nanny state to kick in to change things though otherwise nothing will ever change - the other think where governments have took control and stepped in is the smoking ban in pubs and inside buildings. its one of the best things to happen. so much retaliation at the time and people saying they were going to defy it and carry on .. and yet it all turned out pretty good in the end and one of the best things to implement in Ireland

    I don't remember there being much opposition to the smoking ban at all.


  • #224
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Warm, cosy, beautiful, what is not to like ? :)

    bringing in coal from outside

    getting fire to light

    smoke blowing back into room

    cleaning out the grate

    having the chimney swept regularly

    not as easy to control

    sparks spitting out from open fire

    Fire hazard

    .. apart from that they are lovely :)


  • #225
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,837 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    bringing in coal from outside

    getting fire to light

    smoke blowing back into room

    cleaning out the grate

    having the chimney swept regularly

    not as easy to control

    sparks spitting out from open fire

    Fire hazard

    .. apart from that they are lovely :)

    You know where they don't have open fires Andy prison. Enjoy your night in your cell. :)


  • #226
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    I don't remember there being much opposition to the smoking ban at all.

    yeah, some old codgers mainly - set in their ways


  • #227
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    I have both the open fire and stove on tonight. Cosy listening to the storm.


  • #228
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    How on earth do people with open fires ever get house insurance these days? , so dangerous like having a bonfire in your living room. I know they in a stone/brick hearth but potential of coal rolling out of the fire grate or sparks from the fire and taking into account many people have a rug or something in front of the fire (maybe a cat or dog :D ) all flammable - so they put a mesh of metal to hopefully stop all this which is about as effective as a ash tray on a motorbike :D

    No, if i supplied home insurance I would say, no too much of a risk of fire and burning the house down ... stoves and enclosed I wouldnt be able to have an issue with i suppose


  • #229
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I have both the open fire and stove on tonight. Cosy listening to the storm.

    Ahhh i envy you. I'm stuck in a house that has only storage heaters at the minute but tis fairly exposed to the storm here so the fire lit would be the icing on the cake. so it would. The power will probably go again soon so at that point i'll freeze.


  • #230
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    yeah, some old codgers mainly - set in their ways


    The real codgers are teh ones in the Dail:)


  • #231
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    Thats quite alright - it makes a nice refreshing change to find someone appreciative of some information given .

    hope you find someone who will be able to convert it for you ...

    I hope he doesn't. A complete waste of money, the problem is there's always someone willing to take it off you.


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  • #232
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    funny enough, I know people on here are saying when the electrics are gone they have no heating but really when you logically think about it if your technically minded there is not really much power needed to keep an outdoor oil boiler working and central heating rads on throughout the duration of the power-cut so you can keep warm.

    the pump should be very low wattage got to be less than 80w

    The oil boiler burner itself would use very little wattage. Just a fan and a couple of solenoids - got to be less than 100w

    so, what we talking a couple of hundred watts at the most to keep a oil boiler and central heating pump going and a generator pumps out what about 2kw - ample (i know not everyone has a generator lying round but still) that would keep your heating working no problem at all in a power-cut.

    its the same with people with a back boiler on an open fire or stove the only reason they have to damp down the fire in a power-cut is because on a fully pumped central heating system you need the circulation pump working so it can get rid of the hot water in the boiler to the radiators - well if you could get power by a generator to the central heating circulating pump during a power cut buy a generator or some other way (you can even use a 120w inverter you can buy these days - 12v car battery and 240v ac output) and then you can continue to use your heating if you have an open fire or stove with a back boiler in a power-cut


  • #233
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    The ban on smoky coal was first promised by Labour’s Alan Kelly in 2015 .. and was to take place in autumn 2019 - richard bruton stopped it and has shelved it indefinitely now

    I could see them banning smokey coal at some point alright and it would be easy enough to do, just put a ban on the importation of it. But banning buring fires altogether would be a completely different proposition
    Andy From Sligo wrote: »

    The Gardai wouldn't be set the task of policing it I shouldn't think ... - i would see it as an 'official' from the local council authority. Come round your house (more than likely after being reported by a neighbour or someone) "hello sir/madam can you tell me do you use your open fire / stove and what fuel do you burn in it?" and then write you out a warning maybe and if they have report of it again will charge you a fine of 150euro or something - hit you in the pocket more like . I reckon thats the way it would go.


    When do you ever see council workers working after 5pm? They would be wanting all sorts of pay rises to be going out at night policing chimneys. Aside from the problems of enforcement it would be massively politically unpopular to try to ban people heating their own houses in the way they have for decades. The government would also be hitting elderly people the hardest, some of whom would have no other heating than a fire. And we saw how scared the government is of angry elderly people (who all vote) during the recession when they tried to take a fiver off their pension and nearly ended up with pensioner riots in the streets. They backed down pretty sharpish, dont mess with the elderly. Or their open fires :D


  • #234
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Ahhh i envy you. I'm stuck in a house that has only storage heaters at the minute but tis fairly exposed to the storm here so the fire lit would be the icing on the cake. so it would. The power will probably go again soon so at that point i'll freeze.

    Get a Superser, not atmospheric but you'll save a fortune.


  • #235
    Agent_47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭Agent_47


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I could see them banning smokey coal at some point alright and it would be easy enough to do, just put a ban on the importation of it. But banning buring fires altogether would be a completely different proposition

    Article in the Business Post as to why that won't happen, legal challenge by the coal firms and competition with Peat and wet wood being factors, not to say it will be valid in the future.


    When do you ever see council workers working after 5pm? They would be wanting all sorts of pay rises to be going out at night policing chimneys. Aside from the problems of enforcement it would be massively politically unpopular to try to ban people heating their own houses in the way they have for decades. The government would also be hitting elderly people the hardest, some of whom would have no other heating than a fire. And we saw how scared the government is of angry elderly people (who all vote) during the recession when they tried to take a fiver off their pension and nearly ended up with pensioner riots in the streets. They backed down pretty sharpish, dont mess with the elderly. Or their open fires :D

    New builds have no chimneys , weeding out the neanderthals slowly!


  • #236
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,149 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    How on earth do people with open fires ever get house insurance these days? , so dangerous like having a bonfire in your living room. I know they in a stone/brick hearth but potential of coal rolling out of the fire grate or sparks from the fire and taking into account many people have a rug or something in front of the fire (maybe a cat or dog :D ) all flammable - so they put a mesh of metal to hopefully stop all this which is about as effective as a ash tray on a motorbike :D

    No, if i supplied home insurance I would say, no too much of a risk of fire and burning the house down ... stoves and enclosed I wouldnt be able to have an issue with i suppose

    You do talk some rubbish. I was a professional fire fighter for over 22 years in the UK. Do you know how many fires I attended where a fire started in the way you suggest.?

    One.


  • #237
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    funny enough, I know people on here are saying when the electrics are gone they have no heating but really when you logically think about it if your technically minded there is not really much power needed to keep an outdoor oil boiler working and central heating rads on throughout the duration of the power-cut so you can keep warm.

    the pump should be very low wattage got to be less than 80w

    The oil boiler burner itself would use very little wattage. Just a fan and a couple of solenoids - got to be less than 100w

    so, what we talking a couple of hundred watts at the most to keep a oil boiler and central heating pump going and a generator pumps out what about 2kw - ample (i know not everyone has a generator lying round but still) that would keep your heating working no problem at all in a power-cut.

    its the same with people with a back boiler on an open fire or stove the only reason they have to damp down the fire in a power-cut is because on a fully pumped central heating system you need the circulation pump working so it can get rid of the hot water in the boiler to the radiators - well if you could get power by a generator to the central heating circulating pump during a power cut buy a generator or some other way (you can even use a 120w inverter you can buy these days - 12v car battery and 240v ac output) and then you can continue to use your heating if you have an open fire or stove with a back boiler in a power-cut


    Back home I have an APC PowerUPS i found in a skip to run the circulation pump of the back boiler though the oil central heating would need about 400w to stay going I believe. Though i did look at a house one time that had a honda generator for the central heating boiler like you described. This place was off the grid so said honda jenny had to power the rest of the house as well. It was a bit of a fcukup of a system really and I would throw a backboiler into a place like that if i ended up buying it


  • #238
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Get a Superser, not atmospheric but you'll save a fortune.

    I have a few of them but they are desperate yokes. only good for heating the shed on a windy night. They pump out fierce dampness


  • #239
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,315 ✭✭✭nthclare


    A fire is handy if you're on a low income or when you have a yearning for a natural ambiance and glow.
    Man's greatest accomplishment for millenia being scoffed at by the ignorant and the new fires aren't sexy brigade.
    Some of us believe in climate change, but we're also free to light up if we like. Responsible of course.
    Some of us in our 40's have seen quite a lot of down turns in the past.
    Imagine a family of 5 trying to get by when one looses the job and one wage left in the house.
    Their new technological heating system goes kaput and they haven't the finances to maintain it or the money to afford to pay for upgraded insulation...

    Sitting there in the cold and then only having the option to plug in an electrical heater or 3 and a 500 euro heating bill, which will be direct debit and leave a nice hole in the bank balance.

    Solar panels take 15 years to complete the cycle of financial equilibrium, but only last around 12 to 15 years.
    There's another pup sold to the masses.

    The plastics and other schematics and parts of the panels rot and loosen due to the sunlight and dampness after the ten year mark.

    Ive seen them taken apart and it's not pretty...


  • #240
    pwurple
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,449 ✭✭✭✭pwurple


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    How on earth do people with open fires ever get house insurance these days? , so dangerous like having a bonfire in your living room. I know they in a stone/brick hearth but potential of coal rolling out of the fire grate or sparks from the fire and taking into account many people have a rug or something in front of the fire (maybe a cat or dog :D ) all flammable - so they put a mesh of metal to hopefully stop all this which is about as effective as a ash tray on a motorbike :D

    No, if i supplied home insurance I would say, no too much of a risk of fire and burning the house down ... stoves and enclosed I wouldnt be able to have an issue with i suppose


    There are far more fires from stoves than open fires. They are hotter and can ignite their surroundings easily, especially with a faulty flue.


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  • #241
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    deezell wrote: »
    I hope he doesn't. A complete waste of money, the problem is there's always someone willing to take it off you.

    yep, if it didnt work of course. I mean of course its not going to work as efficient as an outdoor condensing boiler ...

    however money is tight and the convenience is overwhelming. 1 flick of the switch, no more buying coal or wood , no more cleaning out and more benefits. - burner (comes in power of 36kw - 110kw) should be powerful enough to heat up rads grand (depending how many rads in the house how big they are and depends how old fashioned they are) - no cost involved with messing around with pipes if just the stanley is being converted to oil.

    of course there are gonna be unscrupulous people about to take your money. And if it is gonna cost a couple of thousand then yes it may well be better looking into getting an outdoor boiler unit - but then that means more work and changing of pipework at least as well as other stuff.

    that plumbingparts online place does outdoor condensing boilers starting from €1,407.00

    https://www.plumbingproducts.ie/384-outdoor-oil-boiler-modules-ireland

    grant-vortex-15-21-kw-condensing-outdoor-module.jpg


  • #242
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    OldRio wrote: »
    You do talk some rubbish. I was a professional fire fighter for over 22 years in the UK. Do you know how many fires I attended where a fire started in the way you suggest.?

    One.

    I stand corrected to your superior experience'ness - but you said UK .. how many people in UK have an open fire these days? - I think you might have had more call-outs in Ireland on chimney fires alone!


  • #243
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    Back home I have an APC PowerUPS i found in a skip to run the circulation pump of the back boiler though the oil central heating would need about 400w to stay going I believe. Though i did look at a house one time that had a honda generator for the central heating boiler like you described. This place was off the grid so said honda jenny had to power the rest of the house as well. It was a bit of a fcukup of a system really and I would throw a backboiler into a place like that if i ended up buying it

    super idea - yes I didnt think about the APC battery back up unit UPS , but yeah as soon as the mains electric cuts off the UPS can kick in automatically - ideal


  • #244
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Good lord superSer's have gone sexy now!!

    https://www.woodies.ie/provence-portable-gas-heater-324522?utm_source=google_shopping&gclid=CjwKCAiA27LvBRB0EiwAPc8XWX6_1GOwdvIOVcsW8ipfbgUT6QRJa7J0dlIov9YsS9rSIN4-yYoAHRoCthIQAvD_BwE

    324522provence.jpg

    This is what the last one I bought looked like:

    superser.jpg


  • #245
    deezell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,908 ✭✭✭deezell


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    yep, if it didnt work of course. I mean of course its not going to work as efficient as an outdoor condensing boiler ...
    You can say that again.
    ....however money is tight....

    Then don't throw it away
    ....of course there are gonna be unscrupulous people about to take your money. And if it is gonna cost a couple of thousand then yes it may well be better looking into getting an outdoor boiler unit - but then that means more work and changing of pipework at least as well as other stuff.

    There are no quick fix solutions. Read my previous post on this. The water jacket of a solid fuel range is completely unsuitable to absorb the heat from an oil burner plume. The flue route through the range and out is equally unsuitable, with plume condensate running back into the range. Efficiency will be really low. Most of your expensive oil will be sent up the chimney. Putting in a larger burner to try and raise the rad temperature will simply burn more oil.
    This firebird 26kw outdoor boiler is about €1250.
    http://www.mcdonoghdirect.ie/firebird-c26-silverpac-boiler-c2x23891528.
    You'll pay about €300 more for the indoor version, which will make it easier to install onto the old range flow and return, though if you wish to use the range flue it will require correct lining for the boiler exhaust.
    Also consider getting tanked gas and a small gas boiler. These are super efficient, and house installation is less disruptive and costs are lower due to the small size and ease of fitting. Check calor gas or Flo gas for details. There are grants available for efficient boiler install, but you're on your own with a dodgy range conversion.


  • #246
    Ubbquittious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,259 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    All this endless sh1tetalk about ever complicated ways to stay warm is making me consider moving to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Though I don't know how I'll move to both of them at the same time. I suppose I'll bring the auld punt along with me on a container and travel between the two. If the thing hasn't blown away in the storm tonight.

    I'll be laying back in a hammock sipping a caipirinha with a little tiny parasol shticking out of the glass and any recollection of the muppets wanting to ban stoves will fade quickly into obscurity.


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  • #247
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    deezell wrote: »
    You can say that again.



    Then don't throw it away



    There are no quick fix solutions. Read my previous post on this. The water jacket of a solid fuel range is completely unsuitable to absorb the heat from an oil burner plume. The flue route through the range and out is equally unsuitable, with plume condensate running back into the range. Efficiency will be really low. Most of your expensive oil will be sent up the chimney. Putting in a larger burner to try and raise the rad temperature will simply burn more oil.
    This firebird 26kw outdoor boiler is about €1250.
    http://www.mcdonoghdirect.ie/firebird-c26-silverpac-boiler-c2x23891528.
    You'll pay about €300 more for the indoor version, which will make it easier to install onto the old range flow and return, though if you wish to use the range flue it will require correct lining for the boiler exhaust.
    Also consider getting tanked gas and a small gas boiler. These are super efficient, and house installation is less disruptive and costs are lower due to the small size and ease of fitting. Check calor gas or Flo gas for details. There are grants available for efficient boiler install, but you're on your own with a dodgy range conversion.

    do Calor gas still demand you to have a full fill of gas when they come out ? - I rember checking a few years back and they wouldnt come out to fill half a tank or quarter of a tank , said it wasnt worth their time.

    With kerosene oil you can even get a couple of plastic containers of oil each holding €20 in each container and put in boot of car/pickup from anywhere like a petrol station which has a kerosene pump on the forecourt - even better when money is tight and you cannot afford a tank or half a tank fill of kerosene.

    Benefits are - you can keep check of how much oil you are using better than having a full tank of oil and using it willy nilly,
    not having huge amounts of oil in your outside tank and if someone does rob it all they get is 40 quids worth.
    If heating run out and you need some heating oil as emergency you can just go to local petrol station and stick some in the cans

    negatives: as you putting it into the outside tank it could spill as your putting it in or get all kersosene over your hands and it stinks, and if you have it in boot of your car it can stink the car out as you are transporting it.


  • #248
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    Ubbquittious wrote: »
    All this endless sh1tetalk about ever complicated ways to stay warm is making me consider moving to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines. Though I don't know how I'll move to both of them at the same time. I suppose I'll bring the auld punt along with me on a container and travel between the two. If the thing hasn't blown away in the storm tonight.

    I'll be laying back in a hammock sipping a caipirinha with a little tiny parasol shticking out of the glass and any recollection of the muppets wanting to ban stoves will fade quickly into obscurity.

    you have the right idea - I tell thee.

    its awful shtormy out there tonight alright , just be sitting here in front of my electric coal effect fire on in the fireplace and wall thermostat on the wall on 21'c listening to bins and shyte falling down and things rolling around in the garden - glad I am not out in it!

    There be a fair few fires across the land tonight with crap built chimneys with no proper flues and chimney cowls getting all kinds of smoke and fumes being blown back into the lounge tonight with that gale ...


  • #249
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    what is the burning passion for having an open fire?

    nil aon tintean mar a tintean fein


  • #250
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,842 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    gozunda wrote: »
    nil aon tintean mar a tintean fein

    there's no place like home ?


  • #251
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    there's no place like home ?

    Níl Aon Tinteán Mar Do Thinteán Féin’ is an old Irish saying that literally translates as ‘there is no fireside like your own fireside’ ...

    Conveys much the same meaning as the English 'Home is where the hearth is' ....


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