Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

YellowBucket · 14-07-2020 12:30pm

It’s a bit like chasing €20 but risking losing €20 million.

There’s a tiny trickle of American tourists into the country. We shut down the whole place to prevent spread at less than 100 cases.

Given the scale of the outbreaks in the USA the risks are enormous.

Parts of the US itself have implemented more measures than we have. Hawaii has actually got quarantine measures in place and NY is beginning to implement locator forms.

The 2020 tourist season is going to be weird whatever we do. The focus needs to be on domestic and, when we’ve the air bridge solution to safe countries, tourists from there.

Ireland also is one of the least tourist dependent countries in the EU and spends more money on outbound tourism than we earn from inbound.

The business focus now should be trying to capture some of the billions we normally spend on overseas trips and redeploying it into the Irish tourism industry. That’s how we will save jobs.

You’d swear we were some small tourist island, utterly dependent on American tourism for our whole economy the way some people go on. The reality is we’re one of the least tourism dependent economies in the OECD and have a lot of potential to grow it in years ahead.

If people in Ireland don’t feel safe holidaying at home, we risk undermining the huge spend that is available to placate a very small number of morons who’ve ignored all travel advice and are touring Ireland as if it’s business as usual.

Protecting the broader Irish economy is what’s extremely important in this and we are not making very logical decisions and I can only assume the government is once again fence sitting.

Even if we were opening up, we don’t have adequate measures in place for inbound tourists.

14-07-2020 12:36pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

Your anecdotes say more than real evidence ever could.

Merely answering another poster whos anecdotal experience said there were not many Americans in Dublin

fly_agaric · 14-07-2020 12:37pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

They're quite correct and it's great to hear that some of them are traveling to Ireland to spend their tourist-dollars in our economy.

Ah you're consistently daft as a brush and should be an official Irish greeter for any US Covid Tourists arriving!

Make Ireland Cough Again :pac:

wellwhynot · 14-07-2020 12:46pm

People flying from hotspots must get a test within 72 hours of their flights and show a cert at the airport. That is what other countries do.

People are also idiots if they believe that we can save the travel industry and all it’s related industries by holidaying at home. Covid is not going away. We will forever have spikes. It just takes one person. We need to move on with our lives.

Texas has a population over 9 times ours. Their death rate is just double ours. Their spike is one person in every 45,000 per day. The chances of them being on the plane is minuscule.

I keep saying it but I have no doubt if we started testing asymptomatic teens in Ireland we would have a huge spike.

14-07-2020 1:20pm

Is it me or is Leo still the only member of government actually saying anything? Where is Michael?

I hear that NPHET are meeting today to discuss travel. Given that more forcible quarantine is obviously a complete non-runner, but public pressure demands something be done, what odds on Americans being banned from entry (Irish residents aside)? Pretty good now, I would guess

fly_agaric · 14-07-2020 1:24pm

wellwhynot wrote: »

People flying from hotspots must get a test within 72 hours of their flights and show a cert at the airport. That is what other countries do.

People are also idiots if they believe that we can save the travel industry and all it’s related industries by holidaying at home. Covid is not going away. We will forever have spikes. It just takes one person. We need to move on with our lives.

Texas has a population over 9 times ours. Their death rate is just double ours. Their spike is one person in every 45,000 per day. The chances of them being on the plane is minuscule.

I keep saying it but I have no doubt if we started testing asymptomatic teens in Ireland we would have a huge spike.

Just a correction. Google says Texas' population is 29 million.
Ireland's is 4.9 million. So 6. Not over 9 I think.

Not sure where you got figues from, but also from Google - Texas has 3,313 deaths (114/million) vs 1,746 (356/million) so our death rate is 3 times theirs but of course that reflects history rather than current spread/progress of the outbreak.

Last figure for new cases (13/7) was 5,655 which would be 1 new case a day per ~ 5,000 people (not 45,000).

I do have some doubts about figures coming out of the US (similar to China or other authoritarian countries where such things might be directly manipulated, which is a shocking thing to say

:(). It is a highly political/sensitive issue now and their president has effectively directed that he wants tests reduced, deaths minimised etc and his party agree. As far as I understand the system as an outsider who never lived there, alot of their public servants are political appointees, and so perhaps there will now be efforts at a local level to implement this by reducing testing and leaving Covid-19 off causes of death where possible. It could be a long time before the dust settles on all this and we get clarity.

MickeyLeari · 14-07-2020 1:33pm

bubblypop wrote: »

On Sunday a busload, approx 35/40 all headed into Arnotts for a shopping trip

Thanks. I need to go in there but will wait a few weeks so the cleaning can be done.

Richard Hillman · 14-07-2020 1:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it me or is Leo still the only member of government actually saying anything? Where is Michael?

I hear that NPHET are meeting today to discuss travel. Given that more forcible quarantine is obviously a complete non-runner, but public pressure demands something be done, what odds on Americans being banned from entry (Irish residents aside)? Pretty good now, I would guess

Not that Varadkar is Alex Ferguson or anything but I get the hint of David Moyes off Micheal Martin. Yurning for the big job for years but he's just sitting in somebody else's office wondering what he's supposed to be doing.

Beechwoodspark · 14-07-2020 1:42pm

I see Ryan air are stamping their feet and having a tantrum

I’m glad to see their bullying tactics are not working

Memo guys - public health is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than your stupid airline

Be no harm to see Ryan air gone altogether. No loss. Good riddance to micky o Leary as well

Oxter · 14-07-2020 1:43pm

To quote Mallow News:

Eamonn Ryan has denied that American Tourists are entering the country. "All I see are proud Irishmen and women returning home, like Hank here and his wife Darla. And their children, Trailer and Type 2 Diabetes. Proud patriots all."

14-07-2020 1:43pm

Our border with UK is an obvious obstacle and even if there was political will, I'm not sure it'd stand up in court.

We're reliant on the USA for a great number of our jobs and have close diplomatic relations and anything to potentially jeopardise that is a total non-starter.

So much for the luck of the Irish. Our two closest allies have two halfwits in charge and have dealt with the virus as bad as any nation on the planet. We're between the proverbial rock and hard place.

Tenzor07 · 14-07-2020 2:07pm

Well, the Greeks are set to allow flights from the UK and Sweden tomorrow. And on the 22nd.

They are also set to welcome flights from America, however inbound passengers must submit a negative PCR test for Covid up to 72 hours before arriving in Greece.....

However I am sure Ireland won't have such rules...

DebDynamite · 14-07-2020 2:34pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why would Apple leave Ireland? Because we stop US tourists coming on holiday for a few weeks? Seriously?

Are the US packing up all their companies all over Europe? No they are not.

As if American companies are going to leave because a small number of tourists can't come. They are multinationals not a wing of the US government and likely don't even know or care if tourists can come in.

Exactly. I’m sure they probably think it’s also bonkers that we allows the US to fly in here. I’d imagine they want this virus contained within the EU as much as possible as for us to get back to some semblance of normality- it’s better for business. The virus being flown into Europe from the US and a return to lockdown is a disaster for business

irishlad123456 · 14-07-2020 2:40pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I see Ryan air are stamping their feet and having a tantrum

I’m glad to see their bullying tactics are not working

Memo guys - public health is FAR MORE IMPORTANT than your stupid airline

Be no harm to see Ryan air gone altogether. No loss. Good riddance to micky o Leary as well

Classy post! think of all the jobs losses and all the destinations that won’t be accessible across Europe in the future, Hope your happy paying through the roof for flights when you want to to away ðŸ‘

ShineOn7 · 14-07-2020 7:19pm

Relevant

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Dr Turk Turkelton · 14-07-2020 7:29pm

The Charleville Hotel has a post on Facebook saying they are not allowing Americans in as guests for the safety of his other guests, staff and their families.
Loads of comments as expected.

Bit cynical · 14-07-2020 8:31pm

What's the point of the proposed testing of a random sample from highly infected countries?

However, he said, for countries not on the 'green list' or 'A list', the Government is "examining the possibility of bringing in random testing or testing in some cases as other countries have done because we know that mandatory quarantine is not possible in Ireland".

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0714/1153102-coronavirus-ireland/

All random testing is good for is knowing roughly the proportion of people who have the disease flying into the country but it won't tell us which ones have it outside of those in the sample itself.

gral6 · 14-07-2020 8:32pm

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

The Charleville Hotel has a post on Facebook saying they are not allowing Americans in as guests for the safety of his other guests, staff and their families.
Loads of comments as expected.

I understand ''no Irish, no blacks, no dogs'' now. It is amazing to see what people have become because of their hysteria.

14-07-2020 8:34pm

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

The Charleville Hotel has a post on Facebook saying they are not allowing Americans in as guests for the safety of his other guests, staff and their families.
Loads of comments as expected.

Fair play to them if they have and hopefully more get on board with it. They’ll definitely get some my my money in the future.

DebDynamite · 14-07-2020 8:35pm

gral6 wrote: »

I understand ''no Irish, no blacks, no dogs'' now. It is amazing to see what people have become because of their hysteria.

Yeah, because the racism and bigotry that Irish and black people faced is exactly like this :rolleyes:

PhilOssophy · 14-07-2020 8:36pm

There will always be a gombeen who will let them in though, probably hug them when they walk in the door.
I still think we should not be allowing flights from the US and I am amazed that others in Europe, who have been far worse affected than us, haven't lead the way better.

DebDynamite · 14-07-2020 8:39pm

PhilOssophy wrote: »

There will always be a gombeen who will let them in though, probably hug them when they walk in the door.

Absolutely, if the sycophants in this thread are anything to go by

Away With The Fairies · 14-07-2020 8:48pm

It's funny how they can look at Australia and tell us that mandatory quarantine doesn't work. But they can't look at their neighbour in New Zealand and work on a similar plan to eradicate this.

I always thought they wanted to go down herd immunity route and I still think the same if they're happy to bring over Americans and no procedures for in place for quarantine.

gral6 · 14-07-2020 8:58pm

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

It's funny how they can look at Australia and tell us that mandatory quarantine doesn't work. But they can't look at their neighbour in New Zealand and work on a similar plan to eradicate this.

I always thought they wanted to go down herd immunity route and I still think the same if they're happy to bring over Americans and no procedures for in place for quarantine.

What plan? Lock up ourselves in the cells?

What a stupid comparison with NZ again

FintanMcluskey · 14-07-2020 8:59pm

gral6 wrote: »

I understand ''no Irish, no blacks, no dogs'' now. It is amazing to see what people have become because of their hysteria.

Yeah, its bizzare.

Lets hope those terrible American's dont pull the plug on the insane levels of investment into the facilities in Ireland, which employ thousands, and send us back to 1950.

No Americans allowed. Fear is a disgusting disease that is contagious and much more dangerous than Covid

FintanMcluskey · 14-07-2020 9:02pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Absolutely, if the sycophants in this thread are anything to go by

The same level of ignorance existed about aids.

Didnt lady Diana shake hands with an AIDS patient and people were shocked.

Imagine if Covid effected those under 70 in any significant numbers.

repulsebay321 · 14-07-2020 9:02pm

I'm American and studying medicine here, and I'm honestly scared everytime I order coffee that people will think I'm a tourist. I've been here for years but can't shake my accent (and likely never will!)

PhilOssophy · 14-07-2020 9:02pm

I can just see it now, The Oval Office has got news that Hank wasn't allowed into a bar in Killarney, in spite of being "100% Irish" in his own words....cue an executive order that Intel, Google, Facebook, all the pharma pull out of Ireland as a result..........

theological · 14-07-2020 9:03pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah, its bizzare.

Lets hope those terrible American's dont pull the plug on the insane levels of investment into the facilities in Ireland, which employ thousands, and send us back to 1950.

No Americans allowed. Fear is a disgusting disease that is contagious and much more dangerous than Covid

The suggestion isn't that Americans shouldn't fly because we dislike them. That's a pretty immature way of viewing this. We're saying that Americans shouldn't fly to Ireland or other countries in Europe because it wouldn't be good for the health and well being of society with this virus.

May I add that travel for Irish citizens into the US is also restricted at the moment. America are entitled to make that decision and the decision to restrict travel in unprecedented circumstances. Ireland should be entitled too.

When this crisis is over, God willing we can travel in the same way again, but for now it needs to be the way it is. I'm also not going back to Ireland for this summer, possibly not even this winter because travelling isn't the right thing to do right now from a conscience perspective. Others can make up their own minds, but high risk countries should be banned from travelling. I'm pretty convinced of that. It wouldn't take much to have the virus spiral again.

NSAman · 14-07-2020 9:15pm

repulsebay321 wrote: »

I'm American and studying medicine here, and I'm honestly scared everytime I order coffee that people will think I'm a tourist. I've been here for years but can't shake my accent (and likely never will!)

You'll be grand lad. Stay there and stay happy.

Better than being here in the States with Karen and Bob complaining about HAVING to wear a mask to go to Walmart..;)

Honestly, compared to Irish people, some Americans are F***ing NUTS!

14-07-2020 9:38pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah, its bizzare.

Lets hope those terrible American's dont pull the plug on the insane levels of investment into the facilities in Ireland, which employ thousands, and send us back to 1950.

No Americans allowed. Fear is a disgusting disease that is contagious and much more dangerous than Covid

Rest assured that the gombeen Americans coming over here right now are not the executives making international investment decisions

Lillyfae · 14-07-2020 9:41pm

DebDynamite wrote: »

Absolutely, if the sycophants in this thread are anything to go by

Sure they’re only afraid that Apple and LinkedIn are going to repatriate their European headquarters if Hank and Darla from Iowa aren’t allowed to do the Ring of Kerry

jam_mac_jam · 14-07-2020 11:08pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Yeah, its bizzare.

Lets hope those terrible American's dont pull the plug on the insane levels of investment into the facilities in Ireland, which employ thousands, and send us back to 1950.

No Americans allowed. Fear is a disgusting disease that is contagious and much more dangerous than Covid

I'm sure the American tourists coming over are all board members of large pharmaceutical companies that will immediately pull their companies out of Ireland and change their whole strategy because a couple of hotels don't let them stay.

Yes a real worry when all of Europe are not allowing Americans travel. All US money will immediately stop.

stephenjmcd · 14-07-2020 11:23pm

3 people referred to gardai for not completing the locator form.

"Figures for the start of month show calls were made to 3,532 people who arrived in Ireland and only 48pc answered their phones when called."

Oh but it gets better, chances are you won't even get a call now,

"However due to the increase in people arriving here they are now selecting a “proportional cohort” of between 10pc and 20pc of each flight to call."

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/three-people-referred-to-gardai-for-refusing-to-fill-out-passenger-location-forms-39368900.html

bodhrandude · 14-07-2020 11:31pm

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

The Charleville Hotel has a post on Facebook saying they are not allowing Americans in as guests for the safety of his other guests, staff and their families.
Loads of comments as expected.

Not to be confused with the Charleville Park Hotel in Charleville, County Cork which seems to be business as usual, this is the Dublin place isn't it.

repulsebay321 · 15-07-2020 12:40am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I'm sure the American tourists coming over are all board members of large pharmaceutical companies that will immediately pull their companies out of Ireland and change their whole strategy because a couple of hotels don't let them stay.

Yes a real worry when all of Europe are not allowing Americans travel. All US money will immediately stop.

I think the worry is that Trump & Co will find out that Americans haven't had the red carpet rolled out for them and there will be a Twitter backlash. Trump announces new policies and international sanctions in the middle of the night on Twitter when he gets offended, and the stock prices react accordingly. I'm sure the Irish government just doesn't want to deal with that B.S.

15-07-2020 6:26am

repulsebay321 wrote: »

I think the worry is that Trump & Co will find out that Americans haven't had the red carpet rolled out for them and there will be a Twitter backlash. Trump announces new policies and international sanctions in the middle of the night on Twitter when he gets offended, and the stock prices react accordingly. I'm sure the Irish government just doesn't want to deal with that B.S.

Are tweets like this intended to be serious?

I'm pretty sure Americans are being asked to quarantine in other European countries such as France, too.

Donald Trump doesn't give a damn about vast swathes of his own public, a few hundred discommoded tourists are hardly a caucus likely to bother him. We are not the centre of the world, we are not likely to invade his fleeting attention span.

Harika · 15-07-2020 7:02am

bodhrandude wrote: »

Not to be confused with the Charleville Park Hotel in Charleville, County Cork which seems to be business as usual, this is the Dublin place isn't it.

Owned by Paul Stetson well known for his publicity stunts from the white moose.

MickeyLeari · 15-07-2020 7:17am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Are tweets like this intended to be serious?

I'm pretty sure Americans are being asked to quarantine in other European countries such as France, too.

Donald Trump doesn't give a damn about vast swathes of his own public, a few hundred discommoded tourists are hardly a caucus likely to bother him. We are not the centre of the world, we are not likely to invade his fleeting attention span.

When it affects his bottom line in his Clare hotel it will.

MickeyLeari · 15-07-2020 7:24am

Lock them up

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/chilean-student-happy-to-be-free-after-being-detained-for-nearly-two-weeks-in-mountjoy-1.4304547?mode=amp&localLinksEnabled=false&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Taoiseach+dramatically+sacks+Barry+Cowen+as+minister+over+drink-driving+controversy&utm_campaign=morning_briefing_digest

ExMachina1000 · 15-07-2020 7:56am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Are tweets like this intended to be serious?

I'm pretty sure Americans are being asked to quarantine in other European countries such as France, too.

Donald Trump doesn't give a damn about vast swathes of his own public, a few hundred discommoded tourists are hardly a caucus likely to bother him. We are not the centre of the world, we are not likely to invade his fleeting attention span.

Trump banned Europeans and Chinese among others from entering his country.

Isn't that what most of you are calling for her? Banning travel like Trump did.

15-07-2020 8:10am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Trump banned Europeans and Chinese among others from entering his country.

Isn't that what most of you are calling for her? Banning travel like Trump did.

Yes. Of course.

unhappys10 · 15-07-2020 8:12am

MickeyLeari wrote: »

Lock them up

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/chilean-student-happy-to-be-free-after-being-detained-for-nearly-two-weeks-in-mountjoy-1.4304547?mode=amp&localLinksEnabled=false&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Taoiseach+dramatically+sacks+Barry+Cowen+as+minister+over+drink-driving+controversy&utm_campaign=morning_briefing_digest

Those English language courses are some racket.

MickeyLeari · 15-07-2020 8:12am

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Trump banned Europeans and Chinese among others from entering his country.

Isn't that what most of you are calling for her? Banning travel like Trump did.

I am calling for a sensible clear policy based on risk and with safeguards. Not the wishy washy one we have at the moment.

MickeyLeari · 15-07-2020 8:15am

unhappys10 wrote: »

Those English language courses are some racket.

And have been for some time. But this is not the answer.

is_that_so · 15-07-2020 8:16am

DebDynamite wrote: »

Yeah, because the racism and bigotry that Irish and black people faced is exactly like this :rolleyes:

Not so much, but the loss of perspective in a time of hysteria, has labelled people along these lines. It's happened in Australia and NZ as well. It is understandable but really not pleasant to see how quickly we lump people in a category of undesirables.

The chan chan man · 15-07-2020 8:17am

2nd wave mid august.

I guarantee it.

15-07-2020 8:18am

unhappys10 wrote: »

Those English language courses are some racket.

They were, about 5 years ago. Totally changed now, Garda inspections, the lot.

Too many people got burned and it was ruining the country's reputation for genuine students.

Can't see why it took her 2 weeks in detention to get a court hearing; those applications are supposed to be heard "forthwith", it's a quasi emergency.

Forthwith doesn't sound like a fortnight to me

MickeyLeari · 15-07-2020 8:19am

The chan chan man wrote: »

2nd wave mid august.

I guarantee it.

What does the second time wave look like?

YellowBucket · 15-07-2020 10:28am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Are tweets like this intended to be serious?

I'm pretty sure Americans are being asked to quarantine in other European countries such as France, too.

Donald Trump doesn't give a damn about vast swathes of his own public, a few hundred discommoded tourists are hardly a caucus likely to bother him. We are not the centre of the world, we are not likely to invade his fleeting attention span.

They’re not allowed into France. They’re being asked to quarantine IN THE USA itself. Hawaii has quarantine requirements. The US northeast is edging towards tighter regulations on people travelling from hotspots too.

The big risk to American multinationals here is business disruption due to a second wave. They couldn’t give a hoot about a bus load of middle aged Texans or Floridians being slightly inconvenienced.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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