Acid attack on Dublin woman

PeterParker957 · 04-12-2017 4:59pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Easily sorted. Deport foreign prisoners back to their home country to finish prison term.

No one has yet ever explained why this doesn't happen!!!

The_Kew_Tour · 04-12-2017 5:00pm

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That detail I missed. More likely a jilted ex then.

That's what I be thinking. I reckon it might be somebody she knows. But that's just a guess.

Dancing Inferno · 04-12-2017 5:00pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Easily sorted. Deport foreign prisoners back to their home country to finish prison term.

Exactly. And no bs about their human 'rights' being threatened. You had your chance here, you blew it, now out.

Billy86 · 04-12-2017 5:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Which solves nothing since we already have over-crowding of the prisons, with both, judges handing out shorter sentencing for crimes, and the prisons themselves releasing prisoners early to reduce populations. If you look at sentencing worldwide, you'll find that only the most severe of cases actually serve their full terms.

Simply locking people up in prison is not working. It hasn't worked for decades. It's just that all the alternatives are considered to be "uncivilised".

Admittedly, our reform system is extremely flawed, in that even after time has been served, former criminals are still punished by having a record, which prevents them from fully rejoining society. There really should be better educational systems in place to give those serving prison time, the skills needed to get a job that provides a reasonable income too.

Funny enough Norway seem to have lowered recidivism rates considerably through jails that are far, far nicer than what you would find here as the emphasis is placed far more on rehabilitation and teaching them to become better functioning members of a society, starting with their own little society within the prison. Many even keep sharp knives in full access in the kitchen areas. It's a really interesting concept, all in all.

04-12-2017 5:02pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well they do, either through addictions or at the hands of other scumbags.

Unlikely. "Scumbags" are just one side of the coin. There are plenty of violent criminals who are intelligent enough to avoid death from crime or avoid doing drugs.

If we stopped importing people for a few years & put the money back into the country there would be a lot less scumbags in a decade. Scumbags become scumbags due to the area they live in & its usually got to do with unemployment, recession in the country.

So... if I go to live in a scumbag area, I will become a scumbag? Err.. Your logic is quite bizarre.

Inadequate education, opportunities for employment, etc are far greater reasons for people to turn to criminal activities than your reasons... and even then, that's far too simplistic.

And while I tend to agree that ireland should be more careful with it's immigration policies, I definitely don't agree with your linking of immigrants to crime here.

Longer jail times where theres no playstations & their benefits goes to the jail to pay for their keep. Less playstation time more education or learning a trade while inside

Agreed about the education and trade skills for gainful employment.

Rory28 · 04-12-2017 5:02pm

PeterParker957 wrote: »

No one has yet ever explained why this doesn't happen!!!

There is no guarantee they will be made to finish their sentences in their own countries. If we carry out the sentence then justice has been seen done if we deport and the foreign govt dont bother with charges then he has escaped justice and thats not on.

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 5:03pm

PeterParker957 wrote: »

No one has yet ever explained why this doesn't happen!!!

I'm sure if Leo spoke to the Polish PM & said we would like to transport your criminals back to you, we will pay something towards the cost. We are looking after many of your country people here. I'm sure he would agree. They are probably looking for some of them anyway

04-12-2017 5:04pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Easily sorted. Deport foreign prisoners back to their home country to finish prison term.

Any stats to show the massive ratio of immigrant criminals vs domestic criminals in our jails? because that's what you seem to be suggesting exists. :rolleyes:

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 5:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Unlikely. "Scumbags" are just one side of the coin. There are plenty of violent criminals who are intelligent enough to avoid death from crime or avoid doing drugs.

So... if I go to live in a scumbag area, I will become a scumbag? Err.. Your logic is quite bizarre.

Inadequate education, opportunities for employment, etc are far greater reasons for people to turn to criminal activities than your reasons... and even then, that's far too simplistic.

And while I tend to agree that ireland should be more careful with it's immigration policies, I definitely don't agree with your linking of immigrants to crime here.

Agreed about the education and trade skills for gainful employment.

No but if you lose your job chances are future generations of your family might be. I have seen respectable families become scumbags over the generations due to no jobs, who moves to the area etc
Not linking immigration with crime but if we are taking people in we are paying for them so that money could be better spent looking after our own country first. If someone comes here & has a job lined up then I say welcome if they come to get benefits then bye

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 5:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Any stats to show the massive ratio of immigrant criminals vs domestic criminals in our jails? because that's what you seem to be suggesting exists. :rolleyes:

Not saying theres a massive ratio of immigrant criminals nor am I suggesting that the crime in this country is down to immigrants. (15% roughly from what I can see ) ut if we dont have them here we have space for our own

Boom_Bap · 04-12-2017 5:14pm

MOD

This. Is. Not. A. Thread. On. Immigration.

the_syco · 04-12-2017 5:17pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

No we do not, unless you think the Irish people being a minority in our own country by 2050.

Pensions depend on fresh blood bringing in the money. No fresh blood, and anyone who retires may not get their full pension.

gimli2112 wrote: »

The level of forethought you have to put into something like this is astounding.

Put it into a spray bottle, walk to random victim, spray.

emo72 wrote: »

Good be with the days when you could have a "straightener" to sort out any issues. A few bruises and your ego was the only thing damaged. Now it's I'll melt your girlfriends face? WTF.

Before, you'd need to track down the person, and have a heavy beat him up. Now, any kid that wants "street cred" can walk up to someone and spray them :mad:

RollieFingers wrote: »

She's a Chinese national, highly unlikely it's related to the gangland feud.

Could be retaliation for a drugs deal gone wrong, or it could be simply gang initiation.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Two wrongs dont make a right
We are stuck with our scumbags until they die off, we dont have to import foreign scumbags to replace them

Unless you sterilize them, they'll just pump out several dozen on welfare.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Easily sorted. Deport foreign prisoners back to their home country to finish prison term.

They could either refuse to import them, or set them free if their culture allows it.

riffmongous · 04-12-2017 5:17pm

Such a sick thing to do, hoping to maim someone and make them suffer for the rest of their life. This needs heavy sentences right from the start

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 5:20pm

the_syco wrote: »

Pensions depend on fresh blood bringing in the money. No fresh blood, and anyone who retires may not get their full pension.

Sorry but if you think importing people with no connection to Ireland just in the hope that they will work is just idiotic
Why not make Ireland a country where our own people from around the world will come home & work? Our politicians never think of this though

Chrongen · 04-12-2017 5:28pm

Tenigate wrote: »

Had it been a white on white acid attack, it would be a landmark moment for western culture. Asian on asian though, that's just a sign of what liberals like to call multiculturalism. Hopefully one that can be reversed.

Whites just tend to use broken beer bottles, pint glasses or stanley knives to disfigure each other.

King George VI · 04-12-2017 5:31pm

I saw a comment somewhere that acid attacks should carry an immediate 20 year sentence. I'd agree with this, it might put a halt on these acid attacks before they become as common as they are in England.

Absolutely one of the worst crimes you can commit behind murder and rape.

Chrongen · 04-12-2017 5:34pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Yeah it would be the best outcome:D
Unfortunately the liberals over there complained about the stop & search, only picking on certain groups. The thing is when its black kids killing black kids in poor areas theres no point searching white kids in wealthier areas

Always have to bring up liberals when your thirst for vigilantism and mob rule is questioned.

People like you talk tough and wax macho about violent punishments but you'd sh1t your pants if you had to live
in an African bantustan where people routinely have a tyre forced over their body and then doused with petrol and set alight and left screaming until they finally die
or are macheted to pieces in broad daylight by crazed mobs because they are suspected of a crime.

The kind of extra-judicial mob savagery that you get a hardon over is routine in places like this but I suspect you'd actually be a lot happier
to live in a society where tree-hugging liberals, disgusting as they are, would prevent any such atrocities from happening to you.

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The_Kew_Tour · 04-12-2017 5:40pm

he could be a Dub he could be from Mars.

can we least wait till we know who did it?

it could be anybody

Pithythefool · 04-12-2017 5:49pm

Its a heinous thing, really just inhuman. When you think of the thought process that goes into this......its just a "wow" moment.

It is absolutely of foreign origin, extremely common and more or less accepted in less developed parts of the world. It was also perpetrated in this instance on a non-irish person. Its not a coincidence.

It was imported into the UK. And MAYBE in this case you can say it was imported from the uk to here.

It might not be a non-irish person that perpetrated the act. But the more that this is "defended" by not allowing discussion/condemnation of the cultures that normalise this elsewhere, the more it gains a foot hold here (or wherever).

By the time it is perpetrated enough, you are exposing the home-grown scum bags to new methods of depravity, they copy it, and hey presto, now it has turned into OUR problem, and you cant point a finger anywhere, cant really stop it.

For the sake of argument, imagine a more extreme version of this event. Beheadings, lets say. You hear about it often enough in the UK, it starts here, its defended from cultural criticism......eventually beheadings become an "accepted", not-shocking, from of criminality here.

Constant race downwards. Hope the girl is okay and the piece of filth gets whats coming to him, morally and legally.

flaneur · 04-12-2017 5:49pm

Until we know who actually carried out this attack, I would also strongly suggest that everyone take precautions. This could be some deranged individual who is just attacking at random. That has happened in London where even pizza delivery people were attacked and there was really no motivation at all, other than pure malice.

It's quite possible she was attacked at random just because she happened to be unfortunate enough to pass someone with an intent to do harm.

All we know was the moment is there's someone out there who's been attacking people with acid.

frozenfrozen · 04-12-2017 5:52pm

hopefully it isn't like the sucker punching that has gone on in previous years where as has been said, the victim is just in the wrong place at the wrong time

Even without the horrible injuries being randomly attacked like that can change someone forever

flaneur · 04-12-2017 5:54pm

Well, until we know that isn't what's going on, I think I would stick to well lit public walks until the Gardai have more information or someone in custody.

If you see someone suspicious hanging around, let the Gardai know too. They need information on this ASAP.

Mutant z · 04-12-2017 5:54pm

Lets hope the guards catch this scumbag and then he can feel the full force of the law we cant allow this sort of crap to take hold in this country.

Chrongen · 04-12-2017 6:02pm

Boom_Bap wrote: »

It's all stuff you can buy in your local supermarket that is used. 'Acid' attack is just the term used although not specifically acid.

I've watched a Vice documentary on this recently, there was a guy interviewed that carried out a number of the attacks and I think he used the word 'humiliation' a few times too many.
His M.O. was to do it to the wives/girlfriends of anyone that got in his way, as it was an even deeper humiliation.

It also showed some victims and how their lives have been impacted.

Shocking stuff altogether.

It's generally done to women because the man effectively wants to wreck her/their life. Usually it's done to condemn her to a life of misery, unemployment, loneliness and degradation and quite often the reasons are because the woman shunned his advances or was "strong and independent" and his inadequacies cause him to take her "down a peg or two" or if he can't have her then he's going to make sure nobody is going to want to have her.

It is truly sickening.

dav3 · 04-12-2017 6:03pm

flaneur wrote: »

Until we know who actually carried out this attack, I would also strongly suggest that everyone take precautions. This could be some deranged individual who is just attacking at random. That has happened in London where even pizza delivery people were attacked and there was really no motivation at all, other than pure malice.

It's quite possible she was attacked at random just because she happened to be unfortunate enough to pass someone with an intent to do harm.

All we know was the moment is there's someone out there who's been attacking people with acid.

We know that 'Gardaí do not believe this assault was a random attack and are following a definite line of enquiry'.

Ease off on the hysteria.

JDD · 04-12-2017 6:08pm

It does seem that she knew her attacker. The Independent article says that the Gardaí don't believe the attack was random and are following a "definite line of inquiry".

I live in the area, and a friend texted me to say she works in <snip> pub and was on her way home. There's only two Chinese girls who work in <snip> and they are both lovely, quiet individuals. I'd stake me house that they're not involved in any gangland crime. Booterstown's not really a hotbed of that sort of activity. I'd say it was an ex. Now, he could be Chinese, he could be Irish, who knows. There's been a lot of coverage regarding acid attacks in London in the news recently. Any Irish person could figure out how to carry out an attack and you do see a lot of Irish guys with far-eastern girlfriends so it's certainly not a forgone conclusion that the guy was a foreigner.

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 6:18pm

Chrongen wrote: »

Always have to bring up liberals when your thirst for vigilantism and mob rule is questioned.

People like you talk tough and wax macho about violent punishments but you'd sh1t your pants if you had to live
in an African bantustan where people routinely have a tyre forced over their body and then doused with petrol and set alight and left screaming until they finally die
or are macheted to pieces in broad daylight by crazed mobs because they are suspected of a crime.

The kind of extra-judicial mob savagery that you get a hardon over is routine in places like this but I suspect you'd actually be a lot happier
to live in a society where tree-hugging liberals, disgusting as they are, would prevent any such atrocities from happening to you.

How did me saying that liberals stopped the police from doing stop & search in London due to perceived racism result in you spewing out that sh11te where did I say anything about vigilantism or mob rule??

Odhinn · 04-12-2017 6:25pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

How did me saying that liberals stopped the police from doing stop & search in London due to perceived racism result in you spewing out that sh11te where did I say anything about vigilantism or mob rule??

It wasn't "perceived".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-people-still-far-more-likely-to-be-stopped-and-searched-by-police-than-other-ethnic-groups-10444436.html

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 6:27pm

Odhinn wrote: »

It wasn't "perceived".
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/black-people-still-far-more-likely-to-be-stopped-and-searched-by-police-than-other-ethnic-groups-10444436.html

If there is black on black stabbings, who are you going to stop & search?

Odhinn · 04-12-2017 6:33pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

If there is black on black stabbings, who are you going to stop & search?

.....do you know anything about Dorset..? Ever been? Read about it?

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 6:40pm

Odhinn wrote: »

.....do you know anything about Dorset..? Ever been? Read about it?

I was talking about London in my OP not dorset. I'm sure there are areas where there are racist police. Dorset wouldn't really be known as a kind of Peckham area.
What I dont get is if the police pull over 100 black people & they find 1 knife then surely thats a good thing. The problem is in the UK ( same in USA ) black people although small percentage of population are responsible for high level of crime. So if police see black people in a nice area where not many black people they will want to know why they are there

pilly · 04-12-2017 7:07pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well they do, either through addictions or at the hands of other scumbags.
If we stopped importing people for a few years & put the money back into the country there would be a lot less scumbags in a decade. Scumbags become scumbags due to the area they live in & its usually got to do with unemployment, recession in the country. Longer jail times where theres no playstations & their benefits goes to the jail to pay for their keep. Less playstation time more education or learning a trade while inside

You really have a simplistic view of the world. People in prison don't get benefits for a start so don't know what made you think they did.

And what do you mean by importing people? It's not like we're buying them?

Mutant z · 04-12-2017 7:14pm

pilly wrote: »

You really have a simplistic view of the world. People in prison don't get benefits for a start so don't know what made you think they did.

And what do you mean by importing people? It's not like we're buying them?

Importing as in letting too many unsavoury characters in to the country and yes there is already enough home grown scumbags here without allowing any more in which will only add to even bigger problems than we already have.

Teyla Emmagan · 04-12-2017 7:14pm

God that is horrific. Acid is such a cowardly cruel attack. Perverted scum.

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 7:19pm

pilly wrote: »

You really have a simplistic view of the world. People in prison don't get benefits for a start so don't know what made you think they did.

And what do you mean by importing people? It's not like we're buying them?

Simplistic because I'm not writting letters on boards. Some people still get the dole while they are inside
We're importing them because its only the government/EU & a small percentage living in Ireland that want these immigrants/migrants being brought here
But as a mod already said this is not about immigration

Lets hope the young lady is ok though any more news out yet?

corner of hells · 04-12-2017 7:19pm

Mutant z wrote: »

pilly wrote: »

You really have a simplistic view of the world. People in prison don't get benefits for a start so don't know what made you think they did.

And what do you mean by importing people? It's not like we're buying them?

Importing as in letting too many unsavoury characters in to the country and yes there is already enough home grown scumbags here without allowing any more in which will only add to even bigger problems than we already have.

How would you regulate allowing Europeans in to the country ?

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 7:21pm

corner of hells wrote: »

How would you regulate allowing Europeans in to the country ?

Why do you think the crimes are committed by Europeans?

corner of hells · 04-12-2017 7:21pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

pilly wrote: »

You really have a simplistic view of the world. People in prison don't get benefits for a start so don't know what made you think they did.

And what do you mean by importing people? It's not like we're buying them?

Simplistic because I'm not writting letters on boards. Some people still get the dole while they are inside
We're importing them because its only the government/EU & a small percentage living in Ireland that want these immigrants/migrants being brought here
But as a mod already said this is not about immigration

Lets hope the young lady is ok though any more news out yet?

In the post office in Mountjoy ?

tomwaterford · 04-12-2017 7:21pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Simplistic because I'm not writting letters on boards. Some people still get the dole while they are inside

How In the name of jaysus do someone go to the post office to sign on,when in jail :pac:

corner of hells · 04-12-2017 7:23pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

corner of hells wrote: »

How would you regulate allowing Europeans in to the country ?

Why do you think the crimes are committed by Europeans?

What crimes ?

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 7:24pm

tomwaterford wrote: »

How In the name of jaysus do someone go to the post office to sign on,when in jail :pac:

Believe it or not they have their money when they come out, was confirmed by a Guard

corner of hells · 04-12-2017 7:25pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

tomwaterford wrote: »

How In the name of jaysus do someone go to the post office to sign on,when in jail :pac:

Believe it or not they have their money when they come out, was confirmed by a Guard

Dole ?

Odhinn · 04-12-2017 7:25pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

I was talking about London in .........

I'm sure you were doing an old cherry pick to soapbox your agenda,but that has nothing to do with the fact that stop and search in Britain has and always has been known for its racial bias, dating back decades.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Some people still get the dole while they are inside

...which would either be (a) fraud or (b) some sort of error, as they aren't entitled to it.

tomwaterford · 04-12-2017 7:26pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Believe it or not they have their money when they come out, was confirmed by a Guard

Seems like fraud tbh....maybe disability but not the dole

Yous need to be available for work to get the dole??

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 7:26pm

corner of hells wrote: »

Dole ?

Yes:mad:

corner of hells · 04-12-2017 7:27pm

Odhinn wrote: »

Help!!!! wrote: »

I was talking about London in .........

I'm sure you were doing an old cherry pick to soapbox your agenda,but that has nothing to do with the fact that stop and search in Britain has and always has been known for its racial bias, dating back decades.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Some people still get the dole while they are inside

...which would either be (a) fraud or (b) some sort of error, as they aren't entitled to it.

Ahh will you stop , he's about to go on a rampage about the dole.

Help!!!! · 04-12-2017 7:30pm

Odhinn wrote: »

I'm sure you were doing an old cherry pick to soapbox your agenda,but that has nothing to do with the fact that stop and search in Britain has and always has been known for its racial bias, dating back decades.

...which would either be (a) fraud or (b) some sort of error, as they aren't entitled to it.

Maybe it has but it doesn't take away from the fact that if black kids are stabbing black kids you are not going to stop the problem by searching the Japanese kids

Probably got to do with human rights, available for work but big bad Judge sent them to prison. Its not like they went on holiday;)

Mutant z · 04-12-2017 7:32pm

corner of hells wrote: »

How would you regulate allowing Europeans in to the country ?

The main perpetrators of these sort of crimes are generally from the ME, the person who commited this vile act is very unlikely to be Irish.

Odhinn · 04-12-2017 7:33pm

Help!!!! wrote: »

Maybe it has but it doesn't take away from the fact that if black kids are stabbing black kids you are not going to stop the problem by searching the Japanese kids

Generalised nonsense.

Help!!!! wrote: »

Probably got to do with human rights, available for work but big bad Judge sent them to prison. Its not like they went on holiday;)

What crap is this now? Do you have any notion at all about the subject?

Acid attack on Dublin woman

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