Sri Lanka Bombings 150+ dead

Zorya · 25-04-2019 1:59pm

RobertKK wrote: »

I listened to Maajid Nawaz on LBC radio earlier this week when he was presenting the James O'Brien show on Monday which was a public holiday.
He spent an hour talking about Christians being persecuted around the world. He spoke with compassion and condemnation of it and how it needs to be fought. He spoke as a Muslim.
I think it is very unfair when people throw everyone into the same bracket for whatever because they might have one thing in common with someone else.Then look at the worst aspect and label everyone with the worst aspect as it everyone operates off a hive mind operated by the person with the worst intentions.

'Christians celebrating Easter' would be the correct term for those who died in the churches, no one in those churches were worshipping Easter.

Maajid Nawaz works specifically to counter extremism in his own religion of Islam, via Quilliam. He is a former islamist who spent time in prison for his own activities and saw the error of his ways. He also says that the justifiable criticism of Islam should not be labelled Islamophobia. He criticises the default position of liberals who are loathe to be culturally insensitive because he says this enables radicalisation of Muslim youth. And so on. he is an unusual voice in Islam.

Certainly the people massacred in church should have been referred to as Christians celebrating Easter. The other phrase is some kind of pagan depiction.

Zorya · 25-04-2019 2:10pm

Grayson wrote: »

And the majority of people being killed by ISIS are muslims.

The majority of innocent people killed by terrorists worldwide are Muslims, and the vast majority of those terrorists are Muslims themselves.
The massacres in Sri lanka was the biggest massacre of civilians outside of a war zone since 9/11. It should be treated with direct language.

jmayo · 25-04-2019 2:21pm

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fun fact: the majority of people on the ground fighting isis are Muslims.

Grayson wrote: »

And the majority of people being killed by ISIS are muslims.

No one is arguing that.
The vast majority of people killed by muslim extremists are fellow muslims.

Often because they are wrong shade of muslim for the extremists.

The vast majority of people living under the oppressive yoke of islam are muslims. Others tend to get to hell out.

And I am not just talking about the sharp most recent and fundamentalist ISIS or Boko Haram, but all the others like Al-Shabaab, al-qaeda, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas right on down to those following Wahhabist doctrine.

The thing is a sizable very well funded cohort of muslims want to spread that oppression.
It is very evident in Europe and the mask slipped in Ireland when Ali Selim openly spoke of what they would like in future.

Hell one poster mentioned how their partner, even though really non believer he has to go practice otherwise he would be in big trouble.
And this is in what a lot use as an example of a more enlightened democratic muslim country.
Look where Turkey is going.

What is often thrown out as a moderate friendly face of islam would have views akin to members of The Free Presbyterian church members or Opus Dei.
Sometimes a lot worse actually.

People make fun of those last two, but dare not say anything against those of islam with a backward view.

DelaneyIn · 25-04-2019 2:32pm

Grayson wrote: »

And the majority of people being killed by ISIS are muslims.

Simply because there are very few non Muslims in the regions ISIS were concentrated in. They were mostly driven out or killed well beforehand.

WinnyThePoo · 25-04-2019 2:52pm

jmayo wrote: »

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Fun fact: the majority of people on the ground fighting isis are Muslims.

Grayson wrote: »

And the majority of people being killed by ISIS are muslims.

No one is arguing that.
The vast majority of people killed by muslim extremists are fellow muslims.

Often because they are wrong shade of muslim for the extremists.

The vast majority of people living under the oppressive yoke of islam are muslims. Others tend to get to hell out.

And I am not just talking about the sharp most recent and fundamentalist ISIS or Boko Haram, but all the others like Al-Shabaab, al-qaeda, Taliban, Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas right on down to those following Wahhabist doctrine.

The thing is a sizable very well funded cohort of muslims want to spread that oppression.
It is very evident in Europe and the mask slipped in Ireland when Ali Selim openly spoke of what they would like in future.

Hell one poster mentioned how their partner, even though really non believer he has to go practice otherwise he would be in big trouble.
And this is in what a lot use as an example of a more enlightened democratic muslim country.
Look where Turkey is going.

What is often thrown out as a moderate friendly face of islam would have views akin to members of The Free Presbyterian church members or Opus Dei.
Sometimes a lot worse actually.

People make fun of those last two, but dare not say anything against those of islam with a backward view.

You think Muslims are going to take over Europe. That is laughable.

No one wants extremists. They are always in the minority.

There is not going to be an invasion. There is not going to be sharia law allowed on this island.

Grayson · 25-04-2019 3:42pm

DelaneyIn wrote: »

Simply because there are very few non Muslims in the regions ISIS were concentrated in. They were mostly driven out or killed well beforehand.

except there were people like the yazadi there.

Mad_maxx · 25-04-2019 5:54pm

jmayo wrote: »

The usual whatabouterys love the distraction because it takes away from the salient point that once again islamist fanatics went out and slaughtered innocent men, women and children.

Of course the usual refrain is "not all muslims" or it has nothing to do with islam at all.

And then it is rinse and repeat.

Of course every now and then you get an equally vicious despicable attack from right wing nutjobs like Christchurch or Quebec and the ones distinctly absent from this thread are out blaming all of us "islamaphobes" i.e. people who can actually see islam as a disturbingly incompatable backwards ideology.

How come these people can see the wrongs with right wing christians, right wing hindus, orthodox jews, right wing athesists, but not with a sizable proportion of muslims ?

Muslims are a sacred cow of the PC Left, Christians aren't

Mad_maxx · 25-04-2019 5:57pm

Grayson wrote: »

And the majority of people being killed by ISIS are muslims.

A fact with no value of any kind yet a dopey line trotted out by liberals ad nauseum

Stalins victims were overwhelmingly Soviet yet the risk to Western Europe was no less because of that fact

Complete red herring

James Brown · 25-04-2019 6:01pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Muslims are a sacred cow of the PC Left, Christians aren't

Who is this PC left and if they control so much how do we have any billionaires and the likes of Fox and Trump?

WinnyThePoo · 25-04-2019 6:02pm

Nonsense. I get it makes you angry that Muslims are on the front line fighting isis.. That must terribly confuse you.

Mad_maxx · 25-04-2019 6:31pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Who is this PC left and if they control so much how do we have any billionaires and the likes of Fox and Trump?

The PC Left are primarily concerned with the culture wars, they gave up on the economic arguments post 1989 or at least left wing academia did

This movement is currently most manifest through identity politics and its victimhood narative, Muslims are deemed to be victims by identity politics practitioners, Christians are not

MrFresh · 25-04-2019 7:49pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

The PC Left are primarily concerned with the culture wars, they gave up on the economic arguments post 1989 or at least left wing academia did

This movement is currently most manifest through identity politics and its victimhood narative, Muslims are deemed to be victims by identity politics practitioners, Christians are not

That's just completely untrue. Even a cursory knowledge of politics would see the left in the US is focusing hard on universal healthcare, free education and their green deal.

Mad_maxx · 25-04-2019 7:58pm

MrFresh wrote: »

That's just completely untrue. Even a cursory knowledge of politics would see the left in the US is focusing hard on universal healthcare, free education and their green deal.

Wasn't referring to the 🇺🇸, I'm on the left economically compared to many in the usa

MrFresh · 25-04-2019 8:04pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Wasn't referring to the 🇺🇸, I'm on the left economically compared to many in the usa

Where are you referring to? Do we even have a left in Ireland?

riffmongous · 25-04-2019 8:18pm

The death toll has been revised down to just over 250, health service 'calculation error' apparently

Will I Am Not · 25-04-2019 8:28pm

I see Leo found his phone anyway.

jmayo · 25-04-2019 9:14pm

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

You think Muslims are going to take over Europe. That is laughable.

Well some cities have whole areas that have become distinctly muslim, to the determent of non muslims.
Or would you see the likes of Molenbeek as a selling point for a visit to Brussels ?

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

No one wants extremists. They are always in the minority.

Yes that's what some in Britain have been saying when 23,000 jihadists are mentioned. :rolleyes:
It is also argument why ISIS members should not be allowed to return to Europe and why boats should not be encouraged with god knows who in them.

The issue is not just the extremists, as in the ones that want to slit your throat for daring not to follow their god or their backward rules.
There is an issue is the incompatablity of strict islamic way of life and modern secular democratic western countries.

And not one of your mindset ever answers what to do about the likes of the 50% plus of muslims in the UK that want homosexuality to be made illegal.

You probably ignore statistics like those.

And one of the only answers I have seen from some is "it is funny how right wingers now care about gays"
A similar line is trotted out when people mention the massive inbuilt misogyny in islam.

The muslim population in some European countries has grown considerably over the last 50 odd years and just look at the messes they are in.

Or would you think the preponderance of child grooming gangs, the slaughter of children at pop concerts or the mowing down of people in markets is progress ?

BTW don't bother replying with the usual whataboutery about home grown terrorists or the priest of the catholic church.
We know all about them so that is why most sensible people don't want to add even worse ones.

Mad_maxx · 25-04-2019 10:02pm

MrFresh wrote: »

Where are you referring to? Do we even have a left in Ireland?

We only have the left in Ireland, we are a deeply left wing country

mvl · 25-04-2019 10:24pm

Zorya wrote: »

Certainly the people massacred in church should have been referred to as Christians celebrating Easter. The other phrase is some kind of pagan depiction.

So annoyed at the labeling too. To me it sounds seasonal, rather than pagan. Actually I am offended by that choice of words: lame & anti-christian from their part to imply such religion is seasonal ...

Patty Hearst · 26-04-2019 7:20pm

Well would you look at that, the 'Easter Worshippers' are back to being Christian again...

MrFresh · 27-04-2019 12:39am

Patty Hearst wrote: »

Well would you look at that, the 'Easter Worshippers' are back to being Christian again...

The same publication from Monday using the word Christian and highlighting the danger they face as a minority religion.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1120107436201824256

recedite · 27-04-2019 5:14pm

So I was just curious as to how a Pakistani muslim would be considered a "refugee" in Sri Lanka.
The answer is way down in the text of the full article.

The Pakistani refugees are easy targets. They look different, speak a different language and were already on unsure footing, living in Sri Lanka as guests of the government while refugee agencies sorted out longer-term resettlement plans.
They are members of the Ahmadiyya community, a relatively small Islamic sect that some orthodox Muslims consider heretics. In Pakistan, they have been persecuted relentlessly. But they are hardly the only members of Sri Lanka’s Muslim community who now feel frightened.

Ahmadiyyas in Pakistan are as much the victims of Salafists (hardline Sunni Muslims) as the Christians in Sri Lanka or the Yazidi were in Syria.

What we see here is a misplaced gut reaction by people, similar to turban-wearing Sikh taxi drivers in the USA getting abuse from angry citizens after 9/11, while the rich Bin Laden family fled the country on private jets.

Also of note here is the murder of a Muslim guy in Scotland by a taxi driver.
What I'm saying is, if you look very closely you see who the real bad guys are, and the answer to that seems to be remarkably consistent.

28-04-2019 4:37am

recedite wrote: »

What I'm saying is, if you look very closely you see who the real bad guys are, and the answer to that seems to be remarkably consistent.

Who?

recedite · 28-04-2019 3:43pm

Its nearly always the hardline sunnis - the salafists or wahabbis or whatever you want to call them yourself. They are rampant in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states.

Jamie2k9 · 29-04-2019 9:27am

Fave Veil wore by Muslim women to be banned within 8 days as a result of the attacks.

MrFresh · 29-04-2019 10:35am

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Fave Veil wore by Muslim women to be banned within 8 days as a result of the attacks.

An odd choice really. Doesn't seem like face coverings were involved in the attacks. But it seems many Muslims are on board anyway.

According to news outlet India Today, the All Ceylon Jamiyyathul Ulama, an organisation of Muslim clerics in Sri Lanka, had also asked women to avoid wearing face coverings.

Danzy · 29-04-2019 10:37am

Good to see, hopefully it marks the beginning of a crackdown on extremists.

inforfun · 30-04-2019 9:54am

All the while when we have the first burkini in the swimsuit edition of Sports Illustrated.
Nothing is safe.

And this **** is also still breathing unfortunately:

https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1122907930100158464

BeerWolf · 30-04-2019 11:09am

inforfun wrote: »

All the while when we have the first burkini in the swimsuit edition of Sports Illustrated.
Nothing is safe.

And this **** is also still breathing unfortunately:

https://twitter.com/CalibreObscura/status/1122907930100158464

Typical. Leave it to the leader to cower in hiding, leaving it to the brainwashed morons to do all the killing and die/suicide en mass. Such is the tool that is religion.

Danzy · 30-04-2019 3:57pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Typical. Leave it to the leader to cower in hiding, leaving it to the brainwashed morons to do all the killing and die/suicide en mass. Such is the tool that is religion.

In fairness he is a fanatic, not a moron.

His main job for the org. is to stay alive.

DelaneyIn · 03-05-2019 11:43pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sri-lanka-bombings-mastermind-zahran-hashi-recruited-brothers-via-facebook-police-say/

The more facebook attempts to crackdown on content they label as "hate" or "conspiracy therories" or whatever , the more they're opening themselves up for legal action when things like this happen on their platform.

Zorya · 04-05-2019 7:56am

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sri-lanka-bombings-mastermind-zahran-hashi-recruited-brothers-via-facebook-police-say/

The more facebook attempts to crackdown on content they label as "hate" or "conspiracy therories" or whatever , the more they're opening themselves up for legal action when things like this happen on their platform.

This is true. By claiming de facto editorship roles rather than simply platform provision they will therefore be rightly liable for such activities.

MrFresh · 04-05-2019 9:20am

DelaneyIn wrote: »

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sri-lanka-bombings-mastermind-zahran-hashi-recruited-brothers-via-facebook-police-say/

The more facebook attempts to crackdown on content they label as "hate" or "conspiracy therories" or whatever , the more they're opening themselves up for legal action when things like this happen on their platform.

That's quite the stretch to shoehorn more victimhood into this thread. In 2017 the big companies created a forum to address the issue of ISIS using their platforms for recruitment. Google and Facebook developed specific algorithms to target ISIS material activity across their platforms and have had great success.

The irony is that when Twitter tried to implement the same type of process for anti Islam hate speech and white nationalism they had to delay it because it would have flagged too many right wing politicians. Just goes to show the kind of casual hate speech the right wing gets away with on a regular basis.

Sri Lanka Bombings 150+ dead

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