Idiot motorcyclists on the roads.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 21-04-2019 3:14pm #1

Have done a fair bit of driving over this weekend, the lovely weather has all the bikers out which is great to see. I’m a former biker myself and I understand the risks involved, most of the time you’re looking out for idiot car drivers.

But I have to say, the level of absolute insane driving I’ve seen from some bikers this weekend is shocking. Overtaking on double yellows around bends on main roads, others well in excess of 100mph on motorways, overtaking and undertaking, general dangerous driving, tailgating, pushing cars up the toad. Just shocking.

I know it’s the first weekend of sun and you’re going to have a lot of bikers out for the first time this year, I’m just waiting on the bad news that someone will die this weekend. It’s absolutely predictable.

Slow down.

Isambard · 21-04-2019 3:20pm

nothing worse than getting pushed up a toad.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 4:07pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Have done a fair bit of driving over this weekend, the lovely weather has all the bikers out which is great to see. I’m a former biker myself and I understand the risks involved, most of the time you’re looking out for idiot car drivers.

But I have to say, the level of absolute insane driving I’ve seen from some bikers this weekend is shocking. Overtaking on double yellows around bends on main roads, others well in excess of 100mph on motorways, overtaking and undertaking, general dangerous driving, tailgating, pushing cars up the toad. Just shocking.

I know it’s the first weekend of sun and you’re going to have a lot of bikers out for the first time this year, I’m just waiting on the bad news that someone will die this weekend. It’s absolutely predictable.

Slow down.

The only thing is that there's a fair chance if they cause an accident then they'll be the only one coming off badly out of it.

Homer · 21-04-2019 4:22pm

It take a special kind of stupid to drive a motorbike recklessly. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Leave them at it. The country is short on organ donors.

McCrack · 21-04-2019 5:40pm

It's quite easy to become outraged at motorbikes from the perspective of your car but in reality the maneuvers are not at all dangerous when being performed by an experienced biker who has better observational and situational awareness than any car driver has

As someone who claimsto have driven bikes I'm surprised at your post

Rubberchikken · 21-04-2019 5:44pm

an experienced biker doesnt necessarily have better observational and situational awareness than a car driver.

thete are idiot car drivers and idiot bikers. the world is full of them.
ive seen plenty of bikers drive in a way that should have them removed from the road but unless theyre caught/killed they wont be.
same with car drivers.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-04-2019 5:46pm

OP, are you a cyclist by any chance? no way would a motorcyclist or even a former one write that.

Brian Scan · 21-04-2019 5:47pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Have done a fair bit of driving over this weekend, the lovely weather has all the bikers out which is great to see. I’m a former biker myself and I understand the risks involved, most of the time you’re looking out for idiot car drivers.

But I have to say, the level of absolute insane driving I’ve seen from some bikers this weekend is shocking. Overtaking on double yellows around bends on main roads, others well in excess of 100mph on motorways, overtaking and undertaking, general dangerous driving, tailgating, pushing cars up the toad. Just shocking.

I know it’s the first weekend of sun and you’re going to have a lot of bikers out for the first time this year, I’m just waiting on the bad news that someone will die this weekend. It’s absolutely predictable.

Slow down.

McCrack wrote: »

It's quite easy to become outraged at motorbikes from the perspective of your car but in reality the maneuvers are not at all dangerous when being performed by an experienced biker who has better observational and situational awareness than any car driver has

As someone who claimsto have driven bikes I'm surprised at your post

What about an inexperienced biker?

McCrack · 21-04-2019 5:56pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

an experienced biker doesnt necessarily have better observational and situational awareness than a car driver.

thete are idiot car drivers and idiot bikers. the world is full of them.
ive seen plenty of bikers drive in a way that should have them removed from the road but unless theyre caught/killed they wont be.
same with car drivers.

Driving a motorbike gives you far better awareness because you have a better view peripheral and straight ahead and also the sound of the road.. What's around you.. No blind spots (door pillars etc).. There is no comparison to sitting in the comfort of what is effectively a metal cage

McCrack · 21-04-2019 5:58pm

Brian Scan wrote: »

What about an inexperienced biker?

Well that wouldn't be advised

Always drive to your limits

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 5:59pm

Yeah they all know what they're doing so let them do what they like. Yet another of the "suit myself" attitudes here.

First one to mention 'metal cage' gets the twat medal.

Edit - ah, too late.

blade1 · 21-04-2019 6:01pm

Homer wrote: »

It take a special kind of stupid to drive a motorbike recklessly. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Leave them at it. The country is short on organ donors.

Horrible attitude to have.
There's been a child cycling killed and some car drivers as well this weekend.
Handy seen as donors are needed is it?
Or is it just motorcyclist donors you want?

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 6:02pm

blade1 wrote: »

Horrible attitude to have.
There's been a child cycling killed and some car drivers as well this weekend.
Handy seen as donors are needed is it?
Or is it just motorcyclist donors you want?

The majority of motorbike riders ride them like they're asking to be.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 21-04-2019 6:05pm

Alec Gentle Keyhole wrote: »

OP, are you a cyclist by any chance? no way would a motorcyclist or even a former one write that.

Not a cyclist.

Former bike rider for the guts of 10 years when I didn’t even own a car. It’s just some of the stuff I’ve seen over the last few days absolutely shocked me.

blade1 · 21-04-2019 6:07pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

The majority of motorbike riders ride them like they're asking to be.

Can u show me the stats to back that statement up?
So the accidents that aren't caused by bikers,the person at fault dies,we should be happy because we need donors?
Seriously?

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 6:09pm

blade1 wrote: »

Can u show me the stats to back that statement up?
So the accidents that aren't caused by bikers,the person at fault dies,we should be happy because we need donors?
Seriously?

No stats, just this magical thing of actually seeing them riding wrecklessly. On the actual roads instead of numbers on the internet. Amazing, I know.

blade1 · 21-04-2019 6:11pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No stats, just this magical thing of actually seeing them riding wrecklessly. On the actual roads instead of numbers on the internet. Amazing, I know.

More amazing that you've encountered every biker to judge them all.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-04-2019 6:11pm

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Not a cyclist.

Former bike rider for the guts of 10 years when I didn’t even own a car. It’s just some of the stuff I’ve seen over the last few days absolutely shocked me.

No problem, you have a right to your opinion and that has to be accepted.

Can you give a few different examples of what you seen/experienced? I'm curious to know as the only stupidity i have seen of late is car drivers trying to cut up motorcyclists and i'm a car driver myself.

Was it actual motorbikes or scooters/mopeds?

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-04-2019 6:13pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No stats, just this magical thing of actually seeing them riding wrecklessly. On the actual roads instead of numbers on the internet. Amazing, I know.

Give a more detailed explanation of wreckless please? What are they doing exactly?

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 6:13pm

blade1 wrote: »

More amazing that you've encountered every biker to judge them all.

And every state would take every last single one of them into account? Ever heard of sample sizes?

McCrack · 21-04-2019 6:17pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No stats, just this magical thing of actually seeing them riding wrecklessly. On the actual roads instead of numbers on the internet. Amazing, I know.

How you judge recklessness from the perspective of your car to the reality of the situation is far far different

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 6:18pm

Alec Gentle Keyhole wrote: »

Give a more detailed explanation of wreckless please? What are they doing exactly?

The vast majority breaking speed limits by large margins (and I don't give a toss what you say about experienced rider blah blah, limits are limits) being the main one by a mile but generally they just ride like they think they're invincible. The roads aren't for showing off.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-04-2019 6:24pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

The vast majority breaking speed limits by large margins (and I don't give a toss what you say about experienced rider blah blah, limits are limits) being the main one by a mile but generally they just ride like they think they're invincible. The roads aren't for showing off.

Where did i mention that? You are getting me mixed up there i'd say.

Just to be devils advocate here, if you see that stuff fine but, do you:

Stop at stop lines?
Never run red lights?
Always use indicators and correctly?
Always check your blind spots in your car for pedestrians.cyclists.motorcyclists/other vehicles.
Never break speed limits?

If you answer yes to all of the above you are a liar, we all infringe the rules of the road at some point, maybe not deliberately, but we do.

kowloon · 21-04-2019 6:27pm

A lot of the bikers you're seeing in groups out in the sun are the inexperienced ones who've had their bike tucked away under cover for most of the year and are often on bikes that are too much for them. If you're only going out a few weekends a year and in ideal conditions I don't think you can consider yourself experienced. Even if you've been on bikes for years, you can't just wheel out on a a sunny day after 9 months off the road and expect to be on 100% form.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 6:29pm

Alec Gentle Keyhole wrote: »

Where did i mention that? You are getting me mixed up there i'd say.

Just to be devils advocate here, if you see that stuff fine but, do you:

Stop at stop lines?
Never run red lights?
Always use indicators and correctly?
Always check your blind spots in your car for pedestrians.cyclists.motorcyclists/other vehicles.
Never break speed limits?

If you answer yes to all of the above you are a liar, we all infringe the rules of the road at some point, maybe not deliberately, but we do.

Yes. Always stop at stop lines.
Yes. Never break red lights.
No. Indicate on roundabouts unless I'm turning left.
Yes. Always check blind spots by turning my head.
Yes. Never ever break speed limits.
Bonus: I even give bloody cyclists their 1.5m.

And the No above doesn't equate to some imbecile doing 200km/h being a complete menace on the roads.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 21-04-2019 6:36pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Yes. Always stop at stop lines.
Yes. Never break red lights.
No. Indicate on roundabouts unless I'm turning left.
Yes. Always check blind spots by turning my head.
Yes. Never ever break speed limits.
Bonus: I even give bloody cyclists their 1.5m.

And the No above doesn't equate to some imbecile doing 200km/h being a complete menace on the roads.

You come to a junction with a stop sign, you see the road is clear and you still stop? i'll call your bluff there, even i've done that.

When on a roundabout and you take the second exit (straight ahead in most cases) you don't indicate even though you should?

You check the blind spots on both sides not just one?

You never break it (speed limit) to overtake a car that is a 'sunday driver' so to speak?

i give cyclists the room myself.

Motorcyclists doing that speed need incarceration.

Let us not forget that one of our own here on boards.ie (frozenfrozen) was involved in a serious accident (fatal i believe) in which to the very best of my understanding they were not at fault but ended up badly hurt in hospital, people are very quick to apportion blame.

Any road user regardless if they are on their feet/2 wheels/4 wheels/ or a bus or artic etc will always have a percentage that are idiots, i've made plenty of mistakes myself over the course of my life and on the road, human beings are not perfect nor will we ever be.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 6:41pm

Alec Gentle Keyhole wrote: »

You come to a junction with a stop sign, you see the road is clear and you still stop? i'll call your bluff there, even i've done that.

When on a roundabout and you take the second exit (straight ahead in most cases) you don't indicate even though you should?

You check the blind spots on both sides not just one?

You never break it to overtake a car that is a 'sunday driver' so to speak?

i give cyclists the room myself.

Motorcyclists doing that speed need incarceration.

Let us not forget that one of our own here on boards.ie (frozenfrozen) was involved in a serious accident (fatal i believe) in which to the very best of my understanding they were not at fault but ended up badly hurt in hospital, people are very quick to apportion blame.

Any road user regardless if they are on their feet/2 wheels/4 wheels/ or a bus or artic etc will always have a percentage that are idiots, i've made plenty of mistakes myself over the course of my life and on the road, human beings are not perfect nor will we ever be.

I indicate for straight ahead (left after the first exit), I said I don't if I'm going left (first exit). I do stop at stop lines, do check blind spots, and definitely don't speed (it's annoying how acceptable speeding is on this forum) but then again there's not much I can do to convince you of that is there? Yeah I make mistakes too, but nobody going 50+km/h over the speed limit is mistakenly doing it.

You're right there's percentages of all road users who are idiots, but from what I've always witnessed while driving is that motorbike riders are the only group where the idiots are the majority, which is even more questionable behaviour where the crumple zone is your head.

Homer · 21-04-2019 7:10pm

blade1 wrote: »

Horrible attitude to have.
There's been a child cycling killed and some car drivers as well this weekend.
Handy seen as donors are needed is it?
Or is it just motorcyclist donors you want?

If you bothered your arse to actually read my post before you threw your toys out of you pram you would see I was specifically talking about motorcyclists driving recklessly :rolleyes:
Out in the sun a bit too long today were we

NSAman · 21-04-2019 7:20pm

If drove down country on Thursday and back yesterday... saw crazy driving from both bikers and car drivers.

Outside limerick a group of bikers let me in the dust. I had cruise control on 120 and they were easily doing 150-160. Another bunch were over taking on rural roads blind..frightened the hell out of me.

However, most drivers and bikers were fine. On the drive back up, two idiots were racing again I was doing 120 on the motorway and the car shook when I was overtaken by an Audi and a Range Rover (both English reg)..

sunnysoutheast · 21-04-2019 10:02pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

I indicate for straight ahead (left after the first exit), I said I don't if I'm going left (first exit). I do stop at stop lines, do check blind spots, and definitely don't speed (it's annoying how acceptable speeding is on this forum) but then again there's not much I can do to convince you of that is there? Yeah I make mistakes too, but nobody going 50+km/h over the speed limit is mistakenly doing it.

You're right there's percentages of all road users who are idiots, but from what I've always witnessed while driving is that motorbike riders are the only group where the idiots are the majority, which is even more questionable behaviour where the crumple zone is your head.

Why don't you indicate if you're taking the first exit off the roundabout?

blade1 · 21-04-2019 10:10pm

Homer wrote: »

If you bothered your arse to actually read my post before you threw your toys out of you pram you would see I was specifically talking about motorcyclists driving recklessly :rolleyes:
Out in the sun a bit too long today were we

Wasn't out at all today so another stupid statement from you.
And I know exactly what your post said.
It's you that missed my point so short of spelling it out to you I'll leave it at this.
If somebody cycles out in front of a car,or a car hit a wall or a tree,you'll be hoping they die.

Hotblack Desiato · 22-04-2019 3:30pm

Wondering which continent the OP is in, given they mentioned overtaking on double yellow lines...

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

The majority of motorbike riders ride them like they're asking to be.

That's a complete load of dingo's kidneys.

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

I said I don't if I'm going left (first exit).

Great, so the guy waiting to enter the roundabout at the first exit (from your POV) has to wait, because it looks like you're going to take the second exit. Roundabouts are supposed to help traffic flow, not hinder it because you are making other drivers play a guessing game in relation to WTF you are going to do next

Doesn't take much effort to flick an indicator ffs.

theguzman · 22-04-2019 4:32pm

Isambard wrote: »

nothing worse than getting pushed up a toad.

Could some explain this because I just don't get it

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 22-04-2019 4:35pm

theguzman wrote: »

Could some explain this because I just don't get it

OP here, was typing on my phone, it likes to "correct" words for me, I meant road.

I also meant double white lines not yellow... Yeah Ireland.

OldMrBrennan83 · 22-04-2019 6:05pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Great, so the guy waiting to enter the roundabout at the first exit (from your POV) has to wait, because it looks like you're going to take the second exit. Roundabouts are supposed to help traffic flow, not hinder it because you are making other drivers play a guessing game in relation to WTF you are going to do next

Doesn't take much effort to flick an indicator ffs.

Nobody does it, which is why I don't. Long story but probably not for a thread on wreckless riding. There's a big difference between inconveniencing someone for 2 seconds on a roundabout and weaving through traffic at 200+ km/h.

Sir Galahad · 22-04-2019 7:25pm

Today on the Sutton side of Howth Hill a group of S1000XR riders were "making progress" when a car pulled out of a side road. It was a near miss for the lead rider (car was at fault) but all the following riders proceeded to overtake the car on a solid white line leading into a blind sweeping left hand bend. I think this is the type of riding the OP is referring to. It gives motorcyclists a bad name.

Oh and I'm a bike owner and rider that rides five days a week.

tuxy · 22-04-2019 7:30pm

Sir Galahad wrote: »

Oh and I'm a bike owner and rider that rides five days a week.

Have yo ever cycled a bike though? Because there seems to be some link between people that have cycled at some point in their life and accusing others of misbehaving on the road.

Alec Gentle Keyhole wrote: »

OP, are you a cyclist by any chance?

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 22-04-2019 8:51pm

tuxy wrote: »

Have yo ever cycled a bike though? Because there seems to be some link between people that have cycled at some point in their life and accusing others of misbehaving on the road.

I haven’t cycled in nearly 20 years and I don’t ever have the intention of doing so for the rest of my life.

DaveyDave · 22-04-2019 9:23pm

If anything a cyclist would have a better understanding of the dangers motorcyclists face, as they face many of the same dangers but at a lower speed.

If someone wants to ride like a twat then let them, if they don't end up as a statistic then they'll at least go away once the weather goes to crap later in the year.

Any half decent motorcyclist will be aware of the dangers and want to get somewhere in one piece. Fortunately due to their size and speed you won't be around them too long. They'll either speed past or split you at a red light. Can't say the same for the twats who tailgated me on single lane national roads this weekend despite having very long, clear stretches to pass me...

07Lapierre · 22-04-2019 10:49pm

Bloody motorcyclists! Think they own the road! Maybe they should introduce some kind of test for anyone who wants to ride a bike? Get them to pay Road tax and insurance! Then make sure they wear helmets and hi viz..that'll ensure they behave themselves!

Their are idiots in all walks of life..some ride bikes, some drive cars, some drive HGV's etc. etc. The best way to improve road safety is by better enforcement of all road traffic rules/laws for all road users.

John_Rambo · 22-04-2019 11:13pm

I find them to be more skilled and have more awareness than most road users probably because they're enthusiasts unlike most car users. They're certainly one of the groups that cause less death and carnage to people other than themselves.

In Ireland they tend to obey most or the ROTR and behave impeccably and respectfully in built up areas where's there are kids and pedestrians. They seem to have their fun when the risks are entirely at their own expense.

I spent four days driving in Rome city last year and that was a different story

Hotblack Desiato · 23-04-2019 6:18pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Nobody does it

Not true

Competent and considerate drivers do it.

What do you gain from it? It's just lazy and inconsiderate.

OldMrBrennan83 · 23-04-2019 6:37pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Not true

Competent and considerate drivers do it.

What do you gain from it? It's just lazy and inconsiderate.

No, nobody does it.

tuxy · 23-04-2019 6:40pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No, nobody does it.

Most cars in my area do but far too many don't, possibly as high as 20%. Inconsiderate assholes.

Hotblack Desiato · 24-04-2019 12:07am

You might as well not bother dipping your lights on an unlit road, sure it must be ok if some people don't bother :rolleyes:

Muahahaha · 24-04-2019 6:45pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

No, nobody does it.

Well thats just not true now, you're plucking more of your made up stats out of your arse. And its a bit rich of you coming on here complaining about other road users when you yourself have admitted to being an inconsiderate driver by deliberately not indicating on roundabouts

OldMrBrennan83 · 24-04-2019 6:48pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well thats just not true now, you're plucking more of your made up stats out of your arse. And its a bit rich of you coming on here complaining about other road users when you yourself have admitted to being an inconsiderate driver by deliberately not indicating on roundabouts

Inconsiderate in one minor instance, not dangerous. You lot will latch onto anything in an attempt to justify your dangerous riding. It's just one excuse after another.

McCrack · 24-04-2019 6:55pm

Muahahaha wrote: »

Well thats just not true now, you're plucking more of your made up stats out of your arse. And its a bit rich of you coming on here complaining about other road users when you yourself have admitted to being an inconsiderate driver by deliberately not indicating on roundabouts

I find people that don't indicate at roundabouts tend to commit other driving transgressions because they have a lax attitude to rules in general like Oldmanbrennan.. Because that's only what he's fessed up to

tuxy · 24-04-2019 6:57pm

McCrack wrote: »

I find people that don't indicate at roundabouts tend to commit other driving transgressions because they have a lax attitude to rules in general like Oldmanbrennan.. Because that's only what he's fessed up to

Many people do things incorrectly because of ignorance but in his case he has made a conscious decision to inconvenience other drivers.

OldMrBrennan83 · 24-04-2019 6:59pm

McCrack wrote: »

I find people that don't indicate at roundabouts tend to commit other driving transgressions because they have a lax attitude to rules in general like Oldmanbrennan.. Because that's only what he's fessed up to

You're quite incorrect actually, but then again that won't stop you continuing your own brand of deflection and justification will it?

OldMrBrennan83 · 24-04-2019 7:00pm

tuxy wrote: »

Many people do things incorrectly because of ignorance but in his case he has made a conscious decision to inconvenience other drivers.

Way worse than all those motorbike riders weaving through traffic at 200 km/h 'by accident'. That couldn't possibly be a conscious decision at all.

Deflection deflection deflection.

Idiot motorcyclists on the roads.

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