Fake watch busters

2shea · 20-03-2019 2:02pm

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F273766076382

What you think? Genuine?

funkyouup · 20-03-2019 2:43pm

Check out his feedback, It all looks to be feedback from sellers rather than buyers. I wouldnt buy form him based on that.

Birneybau · 20-03-2019 3:25pm

That bracelet looks like the one I got with my €60 amphibia. Right arm hair puller. And left arm hair before some clever git makes the obvious joke!

Mike.GTI · 23-03-2019 9:19pm

Can anyone verify this one for me please?

Omega De ville

Thanks

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zeiB9yahEzdKF4Bc8

AndyP · 23-03-2019 10:06pm

Mike.GTI wrote: »

Can anyone verify this one for me please?

Omega De ville

Thanks

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zeiB9yahEzdKF4Bc8

Look at the capital S in Seamaster, looks totally wrong (aswell as the rest of the fonts).

Mike.GTI · 23-03-2019 10:31pm

Yes the S looked odd as did the omega emblem. Seller has a long history of watch sales though and 100% feedback.

Serial number indicates a 1966 model.

2shea · 28-03-2019 11:19am

Mike.GTI wrote: »

Can anyone verify this one for me please?

Omega De ville

Thanks

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zeiB9yahEzdKF4Bc8

No that looks off.

banie01 · 28-03-2019 12:14pm

The quality of some of the fakes out there at the moment, down to even case depth and weights is actually frightening!
I'd hate to be spending money on a watch these days without a check in an AD or trusted watch smiths 1st.

2shea · 28-03-2019 12:22pm

banie01 wrote: »

The quality of some of the fakes out there at the moment, down to even case depth and weights is actually frightening!
I'd hate to be spending money on a watch these days without a check in an AD or trusted watch smiths 1st.

What's the story with that. Will an AD actually check for you and if so who does it and do they charge? Iv been to a few ADs for Rolex and Tudor and the sales person hadn't a clue.

theheavyhitter · 28-03-2019 12:31pm

2shea wrote: »

What's the story with that. Will an AD actually check for you and if so who does it and do they charge? Iv been to a few ADs for Rolex and Tudor and the sales person hadn't a clue.

Agreed, they sometimes get it wrong too. Declaring a correct piece as incorrect, when the reality is they just don't know. Personally I would never buy a used piece without seeing it with the caseback off. If a seller is willing to advertise with pictures of the caseback off showing its markings, and the movement; then generally speaking, they; and the piece are genuine. Its something fake sellers will never do, remove the caseback for a prospective buyer. I always think its a good test, if they are confident in removing the caseback to prove a pieces provenance.

893bet · 28-03-2019 12:40pm

theheavyhitter wrote: »

Agreed, they sometimes get it wrong too. Declaring a correct piece as incorrect, when the reality is they just don't know. Personally I would never buy a used piece without seeing it with the caseback off. If a seller is willing to advertise with pictures of the caseback off showing its markings, and the movement; then generally speaking, they; and the piece are genuine. Its something fake sellers will never do, remove the caseback for a prospective buyer. I always think its a good test, if they are confident in removing the caseback to prove a pieces provenance.

Agreed. Things are not always as they seem. Lots of untrustworthy sorts about.

banie01 · 28-03-2019 12:43pm

theheavyhitter wrote: »

Agreed, they sometimes get it wrong too. Declaring a correct piece as incorrect, when the reality is they just don't know. Personally I would never buy a used piece without seeing it with the caseback off. If a seller is willing to advertise with pictures of the caseback off showing its markings, and the movement; then generally speaking, they; and the piece are genuine. Its something fake sellers will never do, remove the caseback for a prospective buyer. I always think its a good test, if they are confident in removing the caseback to prove a pieces provenance.

Even case back off in some cases isn't a great help unless the buyer is hugely experienced.
Some pieces are available with fully cloned movements.
Others have a decorated rotor and enough "dressing up" to pass even that cursory test if not very experienced.

theheavyhitter · 28-03-2019 12:44pm

893bet wrote: »

Agreed. Things are not always as they seem. Lots of untrustworthy sorts about.

A big problem with vintage is Frankenwatches. I have seen some really convincing ones that are a mixture of genuine old parts, and made to look old dials and hands. The markings, movements, engravings, etc were all correct.
But the dial and hands weren't original, the lume was stained to patina it, and dial oven baked most probably to give it the right vintage look.
Archie did a good video on a Redline Submariner he was brokering, and found out it had the wrong (genuine Rolex) caseback from a 5513.
This is why I avoid vintage as its a minefield, unless one takes the piece to a watchmaker who really knows what he is looking at.

Cienciano · 28-03-2019 12:53pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Luckily the community in Ireland is small enough to eliminate the untrustworthy characters

Maybe not eliminate, but they're certainly obvious when they show up.

With regards to watches, it's easy enough to google a good quality photo of a watch with the back off to compare with a fake.

Birneybau · 28-03-2019 11:26pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

this is a beauty

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tag-Heuer-Aquaracer-300m-Womens-Watch/264258816690?hash=item3d870d8ab2:g:fxkAAOSw8jlcnPLI

Quartz watch, states automatic on the caseback

Alanstrainor · 28-03-2019 11:33pm

Birneybau wrote: »

Quartz watch, states automatic on the caseback

And 300Meters water resistant on the front, whereas it's 200M on the back. But all the detail aside, it looks horrendous...

Graham1978 · 01-04-2019 3:48pm

Speaking of Fake watches, has anyone seen intime04 website ?

funkyouup · 01-04-2019 3:56pm

Jaysus, they actually sell Rolex papers to go along with the watches.

Cienciano · 01-04-2019 4:20pm

Graham1978 wrote: »

Speaking of Fake watches, has anyone seen ****website ?

Rep watch websites is against the charter.

But some sites sell lots of fake designer gear and even give fake receipts from shops! :eek:
Fake rolex box, rolex bag and papers can be had for €25. The top quality watches could fool someone, but the box and papers aren't as good quality imho.

893bet · 04-04-2019 9:29pm

https://www.adverts.ie/17659556

Suspicious

Lorddrakul · 05-04-2019 12:04pm

893bet wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/17659556

Suspicious

Dodgy with a capital DODGE!

Birneybau · 05-04-2019 12:40pm

893bet wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/17659556

Suspicious

The seller seems a bit off

893bet · 05-04-2019 1:06pm

https://www.adverts.ie/17662872

Date window looks dodge. 5 very far left

funkyouup · 05-04-2019 1:48pm

Purchased from Trotters in Bethnal Green lol

edit - place actually exists

893bet · 05-04-2019 2:20pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

It’s a customised pvd thing with third party bits and pieces and the blue date wheel is one of them which is not aligned for the watch
Horrid looking thing imo

Didn’t realise they had replaced the date wheel. Total franken aside from the pvd.

Agree it looks a total mess.

Birneybau · 05-04-2019 2:25pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

It’s a customised pvd thing with third party bits and pieces and the blue date wheel is one of them which is not aligned for the watch
Horrid looking thing imo

Why on Earth would you mod a Rolex?

Eoin · 05-04-2019 2:53pm

Some look decent!
https://www.artisansdegeneve.com/en/

funkyouup · 05-04-2019 3:26pm

Eoin wrote: »

Some look decent!
https://www.artisansdegeneve.com/en/

i wonder does Juan pablo know he is collaborating with that site:pac:

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 7:35pm

stumbled across this thread, has me wondering now...bought a watch for my old man off Chrono24. Omega, paid a good bit for it. Anyone care to take a look at pics and give their tuppence worth on its authenticity? thanks

Time · 08-04-2019 8:37pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

stumbled across this thread, has me wondering now...bought a watch for my old man off Chrono24. Omega, paid a good bit for it. Anyone care to take a look at pics and give their tuppence worth on its authenticity? thanks

Put up some good quality pics (use macro mode if your camera has it) and someone here will be able to give you an idea of whether its real or fake

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 9:01pm

Time wrote: »

Put up some good quality pics (use macro mode if your camera has it) and someone here will be able to give you an idea of whether its real or fake

893bet · 08-04-2019 9:06pm

What’s the reference number?

Also it looks like a serial number is printed on one of the lugs. I can just about see it.

Googling this will often reveal a lot about a watch (less hits the better).

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 9:10pm

893bet wrote: »

What’s the reference number?

Also it looks like a serial number is printed on one of the mugs. I can just about see it.

Googling this will often reveal a lot about a watch (less hits the better).

Ref is 48323132.

I don't understand what you mean by serial number printed on one of the mugs?

Wibbs · 08-04-2019 9:12pm

Probably got "lugs" turned into "mugs" by spellcheck T.

893bet · 08-04-2019 9:14pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

Ref is 48323132.

I don't understand what you mean by serial number printed on one of the mugs?

Sorry meant on the lugs. Typo. Number printed in tiny print on back of watch.

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 9:21pm

ah ok...I wouldn't have understood lugs either being honest

scott1974 · 08-04-2019 9:21pm

Seems pretty cheap...
https://touch.adverts.ie/casual/panerai-marina-luminor/17688465

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 9:26pm

893bet wrote: »

Sorry meant on the lugs. Typo. Number printed in tiny print on back of watch.

christ...no idea how you spotted that:eek:. had it right up to my face and thought it was a scratch until I took a photo and zoomed in. fair play. I take it this is a good sign?

893bet · 08-04-2019 9:47pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

christ...no idea how you spotted that:eek:. had it right up to my face and thought it was a scratch until I took a photo and zoomed in. fair play. I take it this is a good sign?

No hits when you google it is good!

Watch looks ok but not familiar with the model.

Time · 08-04-2019 10:33pm

893bet wrote: »

No hits when you google it is good!

Watch looks ok but not familiar with the model.

It’s an omega deville prestige, but I’m not sure of what the reference it is. Most of them have Roman numerals rather than just indices

Time · 08-04-2019 10:40pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

Indices are quite common
Nice watch enjoy :-)

The reference is 4832.31.32. I can’t see anything obviously wrong with it anyway. I’m not a Roman numerals guy personally, maybe in 10 years when I’m in my 40s but I feel like they’re too old looking

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 10:59pm

Many thanks to all of you for verification which would’ve cost me. I bought it off a Dutch guy on Chrono24 who seemed very genuine (yes I know). He had no box but had the papers/cards with the wallet. Sent me scans of his passport and utility bills before buying. One thing he said which was interesting was, the cut that Chrono24 take for the secure purchase is meaningless. Basically, if you organise the secure sale where the recipient has to sign for the item, it amounts to nothing as the seller can choose the shipment method, so basically the seller can send a box through UPS etc with a plastic swatch watch inside for what you think is your new Rolex...once you’ve signed without opening Chrono24 are off the hook. As far as they are concerned, you’ve signed and are happy with the goods and if you go back to them you’ve no comeback...so we went through PayPal, no charge additional charge with Chrono24.

Time · 08-04-2019 11:27pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

Many thanks to all of you for verification which would’ve cost me. I bought it off a Dutch guy on Chrono24 who seemed very genuine (yes I know). He had no box but had the papers/cards with the wallet. Sent me scans of his passport and utility bills before buying. One thing he said which was interesting was, the cut that Chrono24 take for the secure purchase is meaningless. Basically, if you organise the secure sale where the recipient has to sign for the item, it amounts to nothing as the seller can choose the shipment method, so basically the seller can send a box through UPS etc with a plastic swatch watch inside for what you think is your new Rolex...once you’ve signed without opening Chrono24 are off the hook. As far as they are concerned, you’ve signed and are happy with the goods and if you go back to them you’ve no comeback...so we went through PayPal, no charge additional charge with Chrono24.

As they say “buy the seller”. The whole C24 guaranteed thing is well known to be useless but there’s a ton of reputable sellers on there. Boxes and papers can be faked too so not having them in reality means very little

TomasMacR · 08-04-2019 11:30pm

OmegaGene wrote: »

As far as I’m aware chrono24 hold the funds until the buyer is happy and then the funds are released, otherwise empty boxes would be turning up left right and centre

It’s held in escrow which is automated when you sign for it, it goes. It’s happening a lot, he warned me of it...he flips watches and had good feedback and I took a risky punt on it.

oxocube · 15-04-2019 5:32pm

Any idea if this one is fake. Any problems with the movement?

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/MENS-OMEGA-SEAMASTER-AUTO-552-ORIG-GLOSS-BLACK-DIAL-GOLD-CAP-CASE-1960-VINTAGE/233197729444?hash=item364baaf6a4:g:Jy0AAOSw64Ncs0sb

893bet · 24-04-2019 7:15am

https://www.adverts.ie/17539814

Possible it’s real. No hits from the serial number.

But the feedback coupled with the fake omega in the withdrawn adds.....

Time · 24-04-2019 9:31am

893bet wrote: »

https://www.adverts.ie/17539814

Possible it’s real. No hits from the serial number.

But the feedback coupled with the fake omega in the withdrawn adds.....

All that guy sells is fakes, no way would i touch this. I notice that a lot of the fakes are listed with addresses in more working class areas, and usually the sellers are selling . So for me any luxury watch listed with an address in finglas etc.. is immediately suspicious. The reality is in areas like that people generally can't afford a rolex, never mind a rolex, several pairs of high end shoes, and two or three canada goose jackets.

micks_address · 24-04-2019 9:46am

OmegaGene wrote: »

wow thats a bold sweeping statement, fair enough the watch is a shi55ter and the seller is a scum bag trying to con people but to say an entire working class areas residents cant afford a rolex etc is absolute crap

Id agree with you but I do wonder sometimes when I see expensive items listed in area's that might have bad rep re crime etc. Another thing I've noticed is seller's listing watches in area's they don't live in which I find odd. I'll message them for an item listed in eg swords and they will say they are based in dundrum..

TomasMacR · 24-04-2019 10:02am

Time wrote: »

All that guy sells is fakes, no way would i touch this. I notice that a lot of the fakes are listed with addresses in more working class areas, and usually the sellers are selling . So for me any luxury watch listed with an address in finglas etc.. is immediately suspicious. The reality is in areas like that people generally can't afford a rolex, never mind a rolex, several pairs of high end shoes, and two or three canada goose jackets.

Wtf. Plenty of people in Finglas who are cash rich and have a lot more disposable income than those that live in affluent areas. Not to mention, seeing as you are generalising, all those peasants in Finglas are more than likely involved in crime and expensive goods which are small such as jewellery and watches are often purchased and used to launder cash

Time · 24-04-2019 12:47pm

TomasMacR wrote: »

Wtf. Plenty of people in Finglas who are cash rich and have a lot more disposable income than those that live in affluent areas. Not to mention, seeing as you are generalising, all those peasants in Finglas are more than likely involved in crime and expensive goods which are small such as jewellery and watches are often purchased and used to launder cash

Look i wouldn't assume that nobody in those areas is able to afford luxury watches but the fact is its far far less likely that they can. Thats not a generalisation its a fact that can be verified by looking at income distribution on the CSO maps. Couple that with profiles that have large amounts of luxury goods that are regularly counterfeited and its reasonable to have suspicions.

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