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New Irish Ferries ship

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,543 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Swift sold and to be replaced with the Westpac Express following a civilian fitout. Can't figure out if that's an increase or reduction in capacity or if it's being done for other reasons


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Irish Continental Group (ICG) announced today they are to sell their high-speed craft 'Jonathan Swift' which has served the Dublin-Holyhead for almost two decades to a Spanish operator.

    ICG the Dublin based group (parent company of Irish Ferries) has entered into a memorandum of agreement (MOA) regarding the sell of the craft with Balearia Eurolineas Maritimas S.A.

    In the statement from ICG, the agreed consideration of €15.5 million less brokers commission is payable in cash on delivery less a 10% deposit to be held in escrow. The HSC is to be delivered to the Mediterranean ferry company by the end of April this year.

    Jonathan Swift which was commissioned by and delivered to ICG in 1999 has exclusively operated on the company's service between Dublin and Holyhead.

    Afloat adds the HSC which is marketed as the 'Dublin Swift' is as previously reported undergoing routine drydocking in the UK (see piece focusing on Isle of Inishmore). According to the Irish Ferries website, Jonathan Swift is scheduled to return to service next week on Monday 5 February.

    A replacement HSC adds ICG will come from their fleet by the 2001 built HSC 'Westpac Express' (acquired in 2016) which was recently redelivered following a period of twenty months on external charter. The HSC is currently undergoing a refurbishment programme to bring her up to Irish Ferries passenger service standards.

    The Jonathan Swift as delivered to the group in 1999 at a cost of €38.8m. The disposal will generate a book profit for ICG of approximately €14.0m.

    The proceeds will be used for general corporate purposes.
    https://afloat.ie/port-news/ferry-news/item/38324-irish-continental-group-sale-of-jonathan-swift?mc_cid=f164f3620d&mc_eid=cad3920467


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    L1011 wrote: »
    Swift sold and to be replaced with the Westpac Express following a civilian fitout. Can't figure out if that's an increase or reduction in capacity or if it's being done for other reasons

    Well it is a larger and newer ferry but they have already put on record that the fast ferry service will be seasonal from this year on with the second large conventional ferry taking up the slack in the off season.

    I think that it was primarily a good financial deal for IF with the added bonus of replacing an ageing ship that has been having technical issues more frequently. They paid $13.25m for Westpac Express and got nearly $6m back in less than 2 years charter fees from the US Navy and now have sold Swift for $19.5m.

    Although WE is supposedly a bit rudown internally, that is being sorted now and crucially she is newer and has a lot less miles on her engines as well as being a bigger ship. The only downside is that it has a lower top speed and I wouldn't be surprised if the journey time is extended by 10-15mns as a result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,543 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The Swift hasn't run at full tilt for years, so assuming its economic closer to its lower top speed its likely it'll be pretty similar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 898 ✭✭✭Schwanz


    Not sure if any of ye have seen this but apologies if so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭FunkyDa2




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 586 ✭✭✭Wally Runs


    Finally, it has moved from the pier. Only four months late. Will it have gone for testing or is there more to do?

    viewer_index.shtml?id=324630

    http://31.209.185.102/view/viewer_index.shtml?id=324630


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Sea trials to make sure she doesn't vibrate herself to pieces, stops and turns as expected and how fast she can actually go. Then to repair any issues they find.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 Music Box


    Will the WB Years replace the Oscar Wilde on the Rosslare France route. When is she due in service


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    No, AFAIK she will operate from Dublin, with a few sailings to Hollyhead as well, same as the Epsilon.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,522 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Having looked at the schedule for the Holyhead route from January, which was only loaded in the last few days, and only runs up to mid April, it's clear that there is a significant reduction in sailings during that period, the only vessel that's scheduled for most of that time at present is Ulysses, so effectively, they have massively downgraded the route for the 3 and a half months, and WB Yeats is not appearing in any schedules at all.

    I can't decide if this is due to lack of demand, or lack of vessels to service the routes, they always do the annual maintenance during the first 3 months, my suspicion is that the entry into service of WB Yeats is going to be a lot later than was anticipated, so they are not committing to any services by that vessel until after Mid April.

    It is possible that there have been issues during trials that are going to have to be resolved, and there is no telling how long that might take, depending on what has been found in recent weeks.

    There is also the very real confusion around the eventual outcome of the Brexit scenario, depending on how that eventually works out, it's altogether possible that the ferry companies will need significant extra capacity from Ireland to Europe direct, and clearly Irish Ferries are not about to reveal their contingency plans at the moment.

    I can't recall such a reduced schedule being offered on the Holyhead route for a long time, it seems strange that they have cut back so dramatically, unless their maintenance issues are more complex than has been revealed, which will mean more dry dock time than has been the case in recent years.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,907 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    Having looked at the schedule for the Holyhead route from January, which was only loaded in the last few days, and only runs up to mid April, it's clear that there is a significant reduction in sailings during that period, the only vessel that's scheduled for most of that time at present is Ulysses, so effectively, they have massively downgraded the route for the 3 and a half months, and WB Yeats is not appearing in any schedules at all.
    <snip>
    I think you're reading too much into it.
    Its likely to be just Irish ferries just releasing space on the ferries that they know will be definitely running, and will only take bookings for France and the 2nd Holyhead ferry when they have WB Yeats delivered, seeing as it is key in that part of the jigsaw.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Confirmed yesterday in their trading update that sea trials complete, and the ship to be delivered in early December.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,424 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Currently in the North Sea en route to Cherbourg and then on to Dublin

    https://www.vesselfinder.com/?imo=9809679


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    WB Yeats currently alongside in Rosslare and then off to Holyhead to undertake berthing trials there. Suggested arrival time into Dublin Port 09.45 tomorrow morning.

    https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/details/ships/shipid:5614700/mmsi:209146000/vessel:W.B.YEATS


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,530 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    Berthed beside the East Link tonight (Thursday), looking HUGE!!


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    Berthed beside the East Link tonight (Thursday), looking HUGE!!

    Ahh come on now..... where are the photos? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    On the East Link last night.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    On the East Link last night.

    Sweet! Is it actually smaller than Ulysses? Seems to be if the figures on Vesselfinder are correct.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Sweet! Is it actually smaller than Ulysses? Seems to be if the figures on Vesselfinder are correct.

    Yes it’s smaller than Ulysses.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Just now..

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7 kleebes


    So Irish Ferries are building up to announcing the arrival of a new ship to their fleet in October. Anyone heard anything in advance as to which route it will operate on ?
    I wish they would open up the Swansea-Cork route again, the closure cost the south of the country 350,000,000Euros in lost revenue and for the sake of one millionEuros investment the Government threw it away!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,712 ✭✭✭roundymac


    kleebes wrote: »
    I wish they would open up the Swansea-Cork route again, the closure cost the south of the country 350,000,000Euros in lost revenue and for the sake of one millionEuros investment the Government threw it away!!
    What investment, Swansea Cork ferries ceased trading in the noughties, and the Fastnet Line could'nt make it work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    kleebes wrote: »
    I wish they would open up the Swansea-Cork route again, the closure cost the south of the country 350,000,000Euros in lost revenue and for the sake of one millionEuros investment the Government threw it away!!

    It's a shame people are now stuck with the quicker, more economical alternatives unrelient on government subsidies to survive


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    See the first scheduled passenger trip has been pushed a few times over past couple of weeks.

    Again, the lack of any communications is very poor


  • Registered Users Posts: 33 Music Box


    blackwhite wrote: »
    See the first scheduled passenger trip has been pushed a few times over past couple of weeks.

    Again, the lack of any communications is very poor
    Is there a problem with the WB Yates


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,960 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    Music Box wrote: »
    Is there a problem with the WB Yates

    No idea - just strange that it keeps being listed to depart Dublin port, and then the departure is pushed out 24/48/72 hours.
    Thought it would have been covering Dublin-Holyhead by now, with Ulysses in for maintenance


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I really don't know why anyone is booking with Irish Ferries any more. Imagine the outcry on national media if Aer Lingus cancelled flights and delayed extending other routes without any notice. It's a train wreck of a company who are lucky to have built up such a large warchest before this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    Something to do with an Italian Furniture Supplier problem I heard.
    I wouldn't be in any rush to book with IF for a Holiday after their record over the last few years.


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  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,927 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    CJhaughey wrote: »
    Something to do with an Italian Furniture Supplier problem I heard.
    I wouldn't be in any rush to book with IF for a Holiday after their record over the last few years.

    Same. I've got that €150 voucher that we were given after the W.B. Late furore last summer, but I'd say we'll probably use that for a day trip at most, and use Stena if we're doing an actual holiday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,522 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    I really don't know why anyone is booking with Irish Ferries any more.

    Because they are still better, cheaper and more reliable than Stena??
    Well that's what my dad says and he's been in Ireland-UK logistics for 30+ years


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    And how many times did he have to rebook an IF load onto another company ship in the last 21 months? Outside of hellish weather, no other companies missed as many sailing and had as many cancellations as IF in 2018.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    WB Yeats has finally entered service this morning on the 08.05 to Holyhead, albeit running 1h30 late.


    Meanwhile in China the first of 8 new ferries Stena have on order has been floated, Stena Estrid is due to start service on Dublin - Holyhead early 2020.

    https://www.niferry.co.uk/stena-lines-e-flexer-ferry-floats-keel-is-laid-brittany-ferries-first/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 961 ✭✭✭Conchir


    I saw the WB leaving Dublin this morning from the DART, and I have to say it looked huge! At least it's finally on the move.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    BF have a ship on order as well, LNG powered and they will be chartering another from Stena for the Spanish route.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Unfortunate to see WBY had a fender bender incident as she was docking in Holyhead. In the old days we'd never had known about it, but now, facebook...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,430 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Music Box wrote: »
    Is there a problem with the WB Yates

    There was a report that the preferred/specified number of prefabricated cabins (different manufacturer) did not fit within the hull when it was finished and the delay related to modifications to resolve this issue.


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,927 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    Unfortunate to see WBY had a fender bender incident as she was docking in Holyhead. In the old days we'd never had known about it, but now, facebook...

    Is there a link to that? I had a google but couldn’t find anything.

    Disappointing to hear that apparently the car lanes are very narrow. I was quite pleased to see how much space there was between cars on the Ulysses during the summer, but I wouldn’t relish trying to get 2 kids and an overnight bag out in a hurry on a crossing to France on WBY.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    https://www.facebook.com/groups/Ferriesirish/

    You have to be a member to see it, I think.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Very interesting to read the spat between IF and the NTA regarding the WB Yeats, and the Rosslare debacle.
    Irish Ferries has hit back at notices issued by the National Transport Authority surrounding the cancellations caused by the delayed debut of the WB Yeats ferry.

    The ferry company “expressed its disappointment” with the orders for compensation to passengers, saying the cancellations experienced by passengers were due to “extraordinary circumstances”.

    The €147m ferry, which had been due for delivery on July 30, to enter service with an inaugural crossing from Dublin Cherbourg, suffered delays at its Flensburger Schiffbau-Gesellschaft shipyard in Germany.

    The ship’s entire summer season had to be cancelled, and it finally arrived into Dublin on December 20 last.

    Earlier, the NTA, the nation’s public transport licensing agency, issued a lengthy statement saying: “The Authority was not satisfied that the unavailability of ‘WB Yeats’ is an extraordinary circumstance hindering the performance of the cancelled passenger services which could not have been avoided even if all reasonable measures had been taken.”

    Irish Ferries later responded, arguing: “These cancellations were due to extraordinary circumstances which were completely outside of the company’s control. Since the delay was due to unforeseen delays by the shipbuilder FSG, and was notified to passengers months ahead of planned sailings, Irish Ferries does not agree that the company infringed the relevant EU Regulation.

    “In dealing with its customers Irish Ferries believes it took every reasonable action to provide passengers with alternative travel options, from a no-quibble immediate refund to allow them to make alternative travel plans, as well as alternative sailings on the Oscar Wilde out of Rosslare Europort and Landbridge alternatives” via Britain.

    The NTA said its board came to the view by October 19, 2018 that the ferry company “failed or is failing to comply with and has infringed or is infringing Article 18 and Article 19 of the Maritime Regulation”. It also authorised the serving of two notices on Irish Ferries.

    Article 18 relates to what cancelled or delayed passengers are offered, either rerouting to the final destination, under comparable conditions, at the earliest opportunity and at no extra cost, or money back instead.
    Article 19 covers the payment of compensation if requested by passengers in the event of delay in arrival at the final destination as set out in the transport contract. Compensation is 25pc or 50pc of the ticket price depending on the scheduled duration of the journey and extent of delay experienced.

    The two notices served on Irish Ferries required it to pay compensation to passengers who have already requested it, and reimburse additional costs for those passengers who had to travel on sailings to and from Rosslare, rather than Dublin, and to and from Roscoff, instead of Cherbourg.

    Irish Ferries made representations to the Authority, and they were reviewed and discussed by the board of the Authority – but on January 25 last the board decided to uphold the notices, and are giving Irish Ferries two months to comply.

    The ferry company added in its latest statement: “Irish Ferries would like to state again that it sincerely regrets the disruption to its passengers and once again conveys its apologies to all of those who were affected last year. A goodwill gesture of €150 discount for a sailing to France this year has already been provided to all customers impacted by the cancellations.”

    But the ferry company also pointed the finger at the Authority over its own controversial decision to move away from Rosslare Port, saying: “Ongoing discussions with the NTA on the interpretation of EU regulation has been a critical factor in regretfully concluding that we are unlikely to operate the Oscar Wilde to France out of Rosslare in 2019 – a service which has been in operation continuously for 45 years, providing the South East of the country with an important tourism and freight link directly to the European market. “

    It said that “the NTA’s approach to the regulation has contributed to making the route commercially unviable into the future”.

    Irish Ferries believes that the NTA’s interpretation of the EU regulation applying to landbridge travel via Britain to the continent, “significantly penalises regional ports due to their lower frequency of back-up ferry services from Ireland to the UK in the event of a cancellation of a direct continental service.”

    It claimed that it has “on numerous occasions, attempted to engage with the NTA by offering to enter into a mediation process without any preconditions. The NTA have not taken up this offer. Irish Ferries will appeal the NTA’s decision in the courts (including, if needed, the European Court of Justice).

    “Irish Ferries firmly believe that consumer protection should be reasonable, proportionate and in full compliance with the law. We also believe it is essential to protect the viability of direct links to the Continent which is now all the more critical against the backdrop of Brexit.”
    http://www.travelextra.ie/irish-ferries-responds-robustly-to-nta-criticism/?fbclid=IwAR2X54JQrdoNeElGeZIqJGoxzwoGkiE-Qpfgvjix9AW2LtEjqSpSKrThmxI


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭LeChienMefiant


    Looking at the images in the independent today, the deluxe suite looks a lot crappier than the ones on the website. We got a free upgrade on Oscar Wilde last year and felt it was worth paying for. The experience on the new ship looks much more cosy.

    WATCH: Inside the W.B. Yeats - Irish Ferries' €150m 'cruise-ferry'

    https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-tv/watch-inside-the-w-b-yeats-irish-ferries-150m-cruiseferry-37861699.html


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