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Focus 1.6 petrol or Civic 1.8 petrol

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  • 20-11-2019 11:37am
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    FrankC21
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    If you have to choose between Ford focus 1.6 or Civic 1.8 petrol
    Mostly for motorway driving, i do not want diesel as I am buying second hand and used diesels are dodgy.

    I presume both of these are light and fast.


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    Heres Johnny
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭Heres Johnny


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    If you have to choose between Ford focus 1.6 or Civic 1.8 petrol
    Mostly for motorway driving, i do not want diesel as I am buying second hand and used diesel are dodgy.

    I presume both of these are light and fast.

    Focus 1.6 isn't fast anyway. It's OK but defo not fast.


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    dvdman1
    Registered Users Posts: 512 ✭✭✭dvdman1


    Focus mpg is better


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    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,150 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Focus mpg is better

    Since when?


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    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,389 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Focus mpg is better

    Not a hope.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    So should I pick the honda civic 1.8 petrol

    What you think?

    https://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2365938&r=s.php%3Fm%3D32%26o%3D282%26d%3D500%26e%3D10000%26f%3D1%26nn%3D10%26bhp%3D150%26yn%3D2008%26g%3D0


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    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,389 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    You’ll easily get a 2007 for €1500. Paying €3500 extra on an 11 year old car to save €246 a year on tax is bonkers.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    You’ll easily get a 2007 for €1500. Paying €3500 extra on an 11 year old car to save €246 a year on tax is bonkers.

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-2006-ses-1-8-vtec-5dr-nct-05-2020-/23542754

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-2006-ses-1-8-vtec-5dr-nct-05-2020-/23542754


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    colm_mcm
    Registered Users Posts: 73,389 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Try and aim for an ES or EX spec. They have nice extras.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Try and aim for an ES or EX spec. They have nice extras.

    ES or SE


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    If you have to choose between Ford focus 1.6 or Civic 1.8 petrol
    Mostly for motorway driving, i do not want diesel as I am buying second hand and used diesels are dodgy.

    I presume both of these are light and fast.


    Get the 1.8 civic, and in saloon if suits is nicer on the road as the rear suspension is independent the hatch is not.

    I've had both 1.6 focus saloon and 1.8 civic saloon. Still have 07 civic as second car and it drives and starts lovely even after long days of non use. Saloon has nicer velur! trim etc.


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    dvdman1 wrote: »
    Focus mpg is better

    Had both, no its not unless you utilise the vtec in the honda a lot :D


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    So should I pick the honda civic 1.8 petrol

    What you think?

    https://m.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=2365938&r=s.php%3Fm%3D32%26o%3D282%26d%3D500%26e%3D10000%26f%3D1%26nn%3D10%26bhp%3D150%26yn%3D2008%26g%3D0

    As said a good pre 2008 (say 2007) should be 2.5/3k. At that price of 5k you still would have 2k in additional tax payments available.

    636eur per yr vs 390eur per yr = 246eur extra per yr.

    2000/246 = 8 years before you make up the difference.

    Buy a 2007 unless a 2008 is stupid cheap and look for a well looked after one instead of year.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-1-8-6speed-2008-tax-amptest/22979114


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    The saloon ones are limited I can't find that many


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    What other cars I can look at, economical as the Honda Civic 1.8 vtec petrol.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    Should I consider Toyota avensis 1.8 petrol & Mazda


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    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,150 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    This looks tidy and if you could haggle the seller down nearer 4k then I think it would be a good buy:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic/23177376


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    bazz26 wrote: »
    This looks tidy and if you could haggle the seller down nearer 4k then I think it would be a good buy:

    https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic/23177376

    Looks good


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    Looks good

    Agree, if can get for 4k then its a good buy, the engine in them is very solid, economical (keep off the vtec - unless fun is warranted) and smooth. Very comfortable and reliable car.

    That car has sunroof and 6 disc indash cd changer (have 2007 version)

    I'd consider that car myself if we needed it. The tax of 570eur I'd check though as that may not be correct.


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    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,150 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    The tax is correct, the 1.8 saloon post 2007 were €570 on the newer system.

    Also those engines don't have VTEC performance in the traditional sense, they were tuned for fuel economy.


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    bazz26 wrote: »
    The tax is correct, the 1.8 saloon post 2007 were €570 on the newer system.

    Also those engines don't have VTEC performance in the traditional sense, they were tuned for fuel economy.

    Grand, so the hatch is 390eur yes?

    You're right about the vtec in the car as such. It doesn't kick in unless you really rev it but it is noticeable when it does. It only has a single overhead cam hence the economy but is a nicer engine than the 1.6 focus which has a twin cam.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    "keep off the vtec - unless fun is warranted"

    Sorry but I don't get what you mean? Do you activate it or something?

    Do you mean put the Gear on 'R' for race mode?


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    "keep off the vtec - unless fun is warranted"

    Sorry but I don't get what you mean? Do you activate it or something?

    Do you mean put the Gear on 'R' for race mode?


    Nope, when you rev the engine (i think its around 4500/5000 rpm - will check later) the cam in them has an action which allows the valves open differently allowing more air/fuel mixture etc. and kind of gives it a kick - its like kickdown in an auto powerwise.

    Toyotas version is vvti. Its pretty standard now but the focus 1.6 didnt have it.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    Nope, when you rev the engine (i think its around 4500/5000 rpm - will check later) the cam in them has an action which allows the valves open differently allowing more air/fuel mixture etc. and kind of gives it a kick - its like kickdown in an auto powerwise.

    Toyotas version is vvti. Its pretty standard now but the focus 1.6 didnt have it.

    Toyota vvti I did not know toyota have it aswell


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    bazz26
    Registered Users Posts: 51,150 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    Grand, so the hatch is 390eur yes?

    You're right about the vtec in the car as such. It doesn't kick in unless you really rev it but it is noticeable when it does. It only has a single overhead cam hence the economy but is a nicer engine than the 1.6 focus which has a twin cam.

    5 door hatchback is €390. The 3dr Type S hatchback was €570 too afaik.


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    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    FrankC21 wrote: »
    Toyota vvti I did not know toyota have it aswell

    It doesnt seem as pronounced in the toyotas I've driven. Normally never really need it in the 1.8 honda, but nice when going down the sliproad onto the motorway to shift it up to speed.


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    #28
    kennethsmyth
    Registered Users Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭kennethsmyth


    One other item, the 1.8 is as economical as the 1.4 in the hatch if driven normally, only uses more petrol when driven spirited.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    kennethsmyth wrote: »
    the 1.8 is as economical as the 1.4 in the hatch if driven normally, only uses more petrol when driven spirited.

    Sensei, are you referring to the Honda 1.4 petrol engine or toyota 1.4 VVT


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    Indestructable
    Registered Users Posts: 1,371 ✭✭✭Indestructable


    Having owned both in hatchback form, and still driving the Civic, it's the Civic every day of the week. Super little car, never missed a beat. A little bit of poke and surprisingly good on juice. I love my yoke! Both 07.


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    FrankC21
    Registered Users Posts: 806 ✭✭✭FrankC21


    Indestructable wrote: »
    Having owned both in hatchback form, and still driving the Civic, it's the Civic every day of the week. Super little car, never missed a beat. A little bit of poke and surprisingly good on juice. I love my yoke! Both 07.

    What engine?? Fuel??


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