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td5man · 19-04-2014 8:58am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Starting breeding today.
Week earlier than I planned but "I've held off the father for long enough.."
Won't start heifers till next week

DIY AI ????? ;-)

moy83 · 19-04-2014 9:02am

td5man wrote: »

DIY AI ????? ;-)

The "shortest gestation bull ever" then when they start calving

Greengrass1 · 19-04-2014 9:10am

td5man wrote: »

DIY AI ????? ;-)

Nope. Haven't bought a flask yet. I'll have to go do the course again when I do start

sheebadog · 19-04-2014 12:46pm

Breaking a new bit of ground for grain maize.

stanflt · 19-04-2014 1:20pm

At maize too

sheebadog · 19-04-2014 1:39pm

stanflt wrote: »

At maize too

Got the land on an 18 year lease and the paperwork didn't come through till yesterday. 56 hectares to be planted for end of next week!

Greengrass1 · 19-04-2014 1:47pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Got the land on an 18 year lease and the paperwork didn't come through till yesterday. 56 hectares to be planted for end of next week!

Feck me. Can I have some. Never get land on a lease like that around here

sheebadog · 19-04-2014 1:52pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Feck me. Can I have some. Never get land on a lease like that around here

That's the way it's done here, actually 9 year lease is the smallest you can go.
It's an 18 year revolving lease so the owner can never throw you out. Unless you don't pay of course!!

Greengrass1 · 19-04-2014 1:57pm

sheebadog wrote: »

That's the way it's done here, actually 9 year lease is the smallest you can go.
It's an 18 year revolving lease so the owner can never throw you out. Unless you don't pay of course!!

That's a proper way of dealing.
If I ever gotbthe chance I'd try set up another place in england or france

moy83 · 19-04-2014 2:17pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

That's a proper way of dealing.
If I ever gotbthe chance I'd try set up another place in england or france

Would you want to be living there though ? The father always said it would be the right job to sell up and move where the weather and land could make farming enjoyable

Greengrass1 · 19-04-2014 2:28pm

moy83 wrote: »

Would you want to be living there though ? The father always said it would be the right job to sell up and move where the weather and land could make farming enjoyable

Don't know. I'd never sell farm here. Be a nice idea to set up second farm though

moy83 · 19-04-2014 2:34pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Don't know. I'd never sell farm here. Be a nice idea to set up second farm though

Never say never , it would be hard keep an eye on things if you had farms in two different countries .

@sheebadog do you have any farming interest in Ireland now or is it all in France ?

RightTurnClyde · 19-04-2014 2:56pm

@sheebadog. How do they set the lease value over that number of years. Is there any rent reviews over the 18 yrs.

sheebadog · 19-04-2014 5:29pm

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

@sheebadog. How do they set the lease value over that number of years. Is there any rent reviews over the 18 yrs.

Rent is set by the Government and is reviewed every year, often reviewed down if there is drought etc.
It's very favourable to the farmer.

sheebadog · 19-04-2014 5:31pm

moy83 wrote: »

Never say never , it would be hard keep an eye on things if you had farms in two different countries .

@sheebadog do you have any farming interest in Ireland now or is it all in France ?

I've other interests in Ireland but you have to be here.

moy83 · 19-04-2014 5:42pm

sheebadog wrote: »

I've other interests in Ireland but you have to be here.

I was thinking you would alright .

sheebadog · 20-04-2014 8:59am

stanflt wrote: »

At maize too

Stan would you know the index on the variety you are growing?

Indices are on the bag as an FAO number.
The south of France would have an index of 450. Where I am would have an index of 370 but as we are getting late now I'll plant an index of 300.

I find that the index number is a lot more important than the variety that the salesman is pushing.

stanflt · 20-04-2014 9:05am

sheebadog wrote: »

Stan would you know the index on the variety you are growing?

Indices are on the bag as an FAO number.
The south of France would have an index of 450. Where I am would have an index of 370 but as we are getting late now I'll plant an index of 300.

I find that the index number is a lot more important than the variety that the salesman is pushing.

Just looked at the bags there- no fao number
One that says 297

It's p8200 from pioneer

sheebadog · 20-04-2014 9:14am

stanflt wrote: »

Just looked at the bags there- no fao number
One that says 297

It's p8200 from pioneer

It's hardly 297 as the north of France is less than 250. I would guess that you should be on 150 to 200??

With planting the correct index you can be certain of harvest date.
The day I plant forage maize I will be harvesting exactly 120 days later - I could even book the contractor!
Indices are important because the smaller the number the greater the early vigour which would be invaluable in Ireland.

frazzledhome · 20-04-2014 5:08pm

Went for cows at 3, started milking and relief guy landed at 4 as arranged as I planned an evening out with missus and kids. 3 rows in cow with ecoli, waiting for vet

Rot your sack!!!

Greengrass1 · 20-04-2014 5:09pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Went for cows at 3, started milking and relief guy landed at 4 as arranged as I planned an evening out with missus and kids. 3 rows in cow with ecoli, waiting for vet

Rot your sack!!!

What does a cow with ecoli look like?

frazzledhome · 20-04-2014 5:10pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

What does a cow with ecoli look like?

Phucked

frazzledhome · 20-04-2014 5:12pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Phucked

Have you never had one? Really sick, fell in, dehydrated and failing fast.

Treat with IV and lots of fluids and TLC. Another cull if she makes it

Greengrass1 · 20-04-2014 5:14pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Have you never had one? Really sick, fell in, dehydrated and failing fast.

Treat with IV and lots of fluids and TLC. Another cull if she makes it

Not that I know of.
I've forgotten about all the mastitis we had.
Didn't know they would get ecoli when there out grazing

Brown Podzol · 20-04-2014 5:48pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Have you never had one? Really sick, fell in, dehydrated and failing fast.

Treat with IV and lots of fluids and TLC. Another cull if she makes it

Gram negative bacteria. Framycetin and cronixin should get it. If she recovers, put her on once a day and in a couple of weeks will be fine on 3 quarters. I speak from experience.:mad:

frazzledhome · 20-04-2014 7:53pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Gram negative bacteria. Framycetin and cronixin should get it. If she recovers, put her on once a day and in a couple of weeks will be fine on 3 quarters. I speak from experience.:mad:

Fram and cronixin with Revive dissolved in 30 litres of water pumped in. She's a bit brighter already. Luckily her temp was high not low

Greengrass1 · 20-04-2014 8:00pm

My heifer is looking a lot better. Giving feck all milk though. Have her on OAD but she's only putting out 5l.
Wasnt thinking right last night and I only gave here 15ml of the rapidexon instead of 30

Timmaay · 20-04-2014 8:00pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Gram negative bacteria. Framycetin and cronixin should get it. If she recovers, put her on once a day and in a couple of weeks will be fine on 3 quarters. I speak from experience.:mad:

What are they, injections or tubes? Have had about 5cases of what looks like ecoli here over the last 2 yrs, one cow died from it, another the udder fell off her (literally!), somehow survived, was sold the other day as a cull for small money. Other were were only the one spin, thankfully all recovered as 3 spinners.

frazzledhome · 20-04-2014 8:27pm

Timmaay wrote: »

What are they, injections or tubes? Have had about 5cases of what looks like ecoli here over the last 2 yrs, one cow died from it, another the udder fell off her (literally!), somehow survived, was sold the other day as a cull for small money. Other were were only the one spin, thankfully all recovered as 3 spinners.

The only chance is if you're early. If temp drops call knacker

mf240 · 20-04-2014 8:38pm

Ya getting them in time you will save cow but not quarter.

It's watery or tea coulered stuff with little or no clots. Drawing out as much as possible and getting fluids in will help.

Removing teat will let out all the poison and save cow, but I'm not sure if it's allowed.

Greengrass1 · 20-04-2014 8:42pm

Have had a fair few cows with chronic staph, udders burst open with all the mastitis. Not nice

Brown Podzol · 20-04-2014 9:20pm

Timmaay wrote: »

What are they, injections or tubes? Have had about 5cases of what looks like ecoli here over the last 2 yrs, one cow died from it, another the udder fell off her (literally!), somehow survived, was sold the other day as a cull for small money. Other were were only the one spin, thankfully all recovered as 3 spinners.

Injections. Framycetin is antibiotic and cronixin is antiflamitory. I think E. coli is the only gram negative mastitis and most people would go with the penicillins which would be ok for other forms but not for E. coli. If the udder fell off then that would probably be gangrene mastitis. Only ever saw one case of it and not pretty. You were lucky to save the cows life.

stanflt · 20-04-2014 9:24pm

cobactin rumecam or flinixin and shi t e loads of water with chanedol

if got within 12hours cow will not lose quarter

farmersfriend · 20-04-2014 9:25pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Gram negative bacteria. Framycetin and cronixin should get it. If she recovers, put her on once a day and in a couple of weeks will be fine on 3 quarters. I speak from experience.:mad:

Have had a couple over the years. Came back fine on affected teat the next year. Awful dose if not treated fast, very easy to lose them. Goes right thru the cow

Timmaay · 20-04-2014 9:53pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

If the udder fell off then that would probably be gangrene mastitis. Only ever saw one case of it and not pretty. You were lucky to save the cows life.

Bloody lucky, I was just about to call the knackery when my dad convinced me to leave her there another day or so, she made a big improvement and the swelling in her belly dropped back alot. Got 300quid for her the other day, instead of spending 100quid or so getting rid of her, I'll put my hands up and admit my dad was right on that one ha.

awaywithyou · 20-04-2014 10:41pm

If got early... Treating for ecoli shouldn't be a problem... We use noroclav... Ketofen and marbox.... For 3 days.... And obviously tube affected quarter... And strip out quarter regularly....

trixi2011 · 20-04-2014 10:42pm

frazzledhome wrote: »

Went for cows at 3, started milking and relief guy landed at 4 as arranged as I planned an evening out with missus and kids. 3 rows in cow with ecoli, waiting for vet

Rot your sack!!!

Know your pain was suppose to have the weekend off ,was driving by were the cows were on the way to town saturday and noticed 4 cows down on the last area they grazed. Investigated and all 4 were down. Had to go round to a few different farms to find some calcium. Got them all bagged and lifted but 2 of the bitchs have trapped nerves but on the mend.

sheebadog · 22-04-2014 8:57pm

Started ploughing for soya beans today.

sheebadog · 22-04-2014 9:00pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Started ploughing for soya beans today.

Bit of dust about.

sheebadog · 22-04-2014 9:01pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Started ploughing for soya beans today.

Bit of dust about.

Greengrass1 · 22-04-2014 9:06pm

Will you sell them or use them yourself?

sheebadog · 22-04-2014 9:08pm

Greengrass1 wrote: »

Will you sell them or use them yourself?

Crimp and feed out to stock. Trying to add value to the soya as yields are low.

Damo810 · 22-04-2014 9:12pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Bit of dust about.

Fancy exporting some topsoil?

loveta · 22-04-2014 9:12pm

stanflt wrote: »

cobactin rumecam or flinixin and shi t e loads of water with chanedol

if got within 12hours cow will not lose quarter

Agreed, have had a serious run of it here in the last month, had the vet coming out to two cows one morning with it when i noticed a cow that would normally be in in the first couple of rows come in the last row down in milk, temp, and off her nuts but the milk seemed grand to look at but the vet treated her the same as the other two and she was the only cow that came through with the 4 spins but there is not much time for error

Brown Podzol · 22-04-2014 10:27pm

sheebadog wrote: »

Bit of dust about.

Not a stone to be seen. You must get good mileage out of the plough metal.

sheebadog · 22-04-2014 10:57pm

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Not a stone to be seen. You must get good mileage out of the plough metal.

Not as much as you would expect. However I attribute that wear to speed.

Deepsouthwest · 22-04-2014 11:59pm

loveta wrote: »

Agreed, have had a serious run of it here in the last month, had the vet coming out to two cows one morning with it when i noticed a cow that would normally be in in the first couple of rows come in the last row down in milk, temp, and off her nuts but the milk seemed grand to look at but the vet treated her the same as the other two and she was the only cow that came through with the 4 spins but there is not much time for error

Gentamycin or framamycin(anthing else and ur wasting ur time) with finidine or some other painkiller/anti-inflammatory the very minute a cow is noticed is what's used here, and normally save the quarter as well, and if not saved for this yr, it returns as normal in the nxt lactation. Can't understand a farmer waiting vet in that situation, a few hrs is the difference between a positive and a negative outcome.

loveta · 23-04-2014 5:15am

Deepsouthwest wrote: »

Gentamycin or framamycin(anthing else and ur wasting ur time) with finidine or some other painkiller/anti-inflammatory the very minute a cow is noticed is what's used here, and normally save the quarter as well, and if not saved for this yr, it returns as normal in the nxt lactation. Can't understand a farmer waiting vet in that situation, a few hrs is the difference between a positive and a negative outcome.

That's assuming my you get it early.vet was called as the drugs that normally work were not working as I thought they should as for waiting for him to call out 20 mins. Early call before the office opened and there is a few of them on call

Greengrass1 · 23-04-2014 7:50am

How often would you normally dose your heifers for there second year at grass?
I've a wormer that lasts 5 weeks. They haven't been done since they went out

frazzledhome · 23-04-2014 8:30am

Greengrass1 wrote: »

How often would you normally dose your heifers for there second year at grass?
I've a wormer that lasts 5 weeks. They haven't been done since they went out

July and housing with a follow up for fluke after 6 weeks housed

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