Calls for State to build Mosque in Roscommon

SILVAMAN · 21-03-2017 11:20am #1

A Longford based Pakistani business man has called for the government to build a mosque in Roscommon, for the newly arrived Syrians. He apparently claims that to be there in Ballaghadereen is a "punishment " for them, and that they are being discriminated against, etc.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/calls-for-roscommon-council-to-build-mosque-1.3017962
Fcuk that nonsense, I say. Let him put his money where his big mouth is and fund one himself. He might take the time to acquaint himself with our culture and laws. This isn't some Islamic dominated dump, rooted in the Middle Ages, which funds mosques, or any other type of religious building.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-03-2017 11:35am

Sure let him call for a mosque all he wants, it's not like anyone will actually listen to him. Twat.

Potential-Monke · 21-03-2017 11:36am

Parchment · 21-03-2017 11:37am

Just read the article. wow.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-03-2017 11:40am

Let them book a room in the local community centre for the hours they want it. Or meet in someone's house for an aul pray whenever they like.

Note this isn't the refugees themselves calling for a mosque, but this kind of guff could taint anyone's opinion against Muslim refugees.

Noddyholder · 21-03-2017 11:43am

Quick reading that I first thought it was a call for a statue to MmcG ...

He might have a point about it being a Punishment living in Ballaghadereen...

Coffee Fulled Runner · 21-03-2017 11:52am

There is already a big mosque in Ballyhaunis which is around 15 mins drive from Ballaghaderreen. There is also a house owned by a cleric in Ballaghaderreen which is used as a mosque for anyone who can't make the 15 minute journey to Ballyhaunis Both towns have a big sunni Muslim population and are well able to fund the building their own mosque as already proved without the state getting involved.

jester77 · 21-03-2017 11:53am

Ah yeah, that old punishment of to hell or to Connaught

suicide_circus · 21-03-2017 12:06pm

Hahahahahaha

On your bike

Zaph · 21-03-2017 12:10pm

If the state funded the building of churches and places of worship for other denominations, then I'd have no problem with them doing so for a mosque. But they don't, if a religious denomination wants to build a church, synagogue, temple, meeting house or whatever they have to stump up for it themselves. So I fail to see how this is any different.

Noveight · 21-03-2017 12:11pm

I suppose Roscommon could do with a USP.

The Oort Cloud · 21-03-2017 12:23pm

He apparently claims that to be there in Ballaghadereen is a "punishment " for them.

Here we are giving them a safe haven with no worry of dying in war, we open our hands to them and give them all refuge, and this guy is saying that it would be a Punishment to settle them for a few months in Roscommon. I give up.

These refugees will only be in Roscommon for a few months and then they will be housed across the counties of Ireland, so what is he talking about, it's not like they will be imprisoned indefinitely in a concentration camp. Talk about entitled.

Billy86 · 21-03-2017 12:38pm

Article (especially the quotes in it) come over like something out of the Onion, only not as subtle so more like Waterford Whispers. Especially with one 15 mins away and a local house used for people who can't make the trip. Amazing how he would try to describe robe the area as "punishment" for people fleeing a war zone, and all it's going to achieve is making local people (and with all due respect to Roscommon, not an area too familiar with much migration I would imagine) more likely to get their backs up over refugees.

The Oort Cloud · 21-03-2017 12:52pm

I really don't understand what the problem is with Roscommon, I used to camp down there many years ago and it is beautiful in scenery. To be honest, I wouldn't mind living there in the sticks with all the scenery. If you have a car then the sky's the limit, lovely quiet and comfortable place to live.

The main thing in regards to this guy on the IT's is that he is not fully up to date on the government initiative in the case of these refugees. He doesn't understand that they will be housed in different locations in the months to come. He should understand this before be mouths off about it.

Billy86 · 21-03-2017 1:04pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

I really don't understand what the problem is with Roscommon, I used to camp down there many years ago and it is beautiful in scenery. To be honest, I wouldn't mind living there in the sticks with all the scenery. If you have a car then the sky's the limit, lovely quiet and comfortable place to live.

The main thing in regards to this guy on the IT's is that he is not fully up to date on the government initiative in the case of these refugees. He doesn't understand that they will be housed in different locations in the months to come. He should understand this before be mouths off about it.

Doubt any of the refugees will have a car and transport is likely quite sparse in the area, but that's all irrelevant - it's a quiet, safe place and being very rural if anything would be quite relaxing compared to a Dublin, Limerick or Cork considering the chaos these families (especially children) are coming from. The lack of cars/transport would make getting to the mosque tricky as Google Maps puts it as 22km/4 and a half hours walking, but the house of worship should more than suffice short term (which as you mention, their placement is) and the state is not in the business of building places of worship for any faith.

Zebra3 · 21-03-2017 1:09pm

Why can't they just use an auld Christian church for an hour or so?

Sure they all worship the same mythical diety and all these religions are meant to be about peace and love and understanding, so there wouldn't be a problem, right?

The Oort Cloud · 21-03-2017 1:15pm

Yeah, I wouldn't mind living there.

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PhuckHugh · 21-03-2017 1:21pm

The state should not build a church, synagogue, mosque or Buddhist temple - or any other religious building.

Glenster · 21-03-2017 1:38pm

Build them one.

Whats the problem?

taylor3 · 21-03-2017 1:38pm

What an absolute joke. Surely the main concern was their safety. They aren't a wet day in Roscommon and this knob is asking for tax payers to build them a mosque. The old saying comes to mind 'Give an inch and they'll take a mile'.. What a fool, wouldn't even entertain the gombeen. Our roads, schools , hospitals just to name a few are a mess and this idiot wants tax payers money for his mosque. Dream on.

The Oort Cloud · 21-03-2017 1:43pm

Glenster wrote: »

Build them one.

Whats the problem?

We'd have to build a money tree first out of Irish taxpayers last few Euro's. We're tied up trying to build apartments and houses for our own citizens at the moment, and even that has not come to fruition yet. I think there is 56 mosques in Ireland the last time I looked back in Ireland.

red ears · 21-03-2017 1:50pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Sure let him call for a mosque all he wants, it's not like anyone will actually listen to him. Twat.

They probably will. Some advocacy group will get behind this mans demands, the media will follow and the politicians will cave and provide one. It may not be a new building but a building will be provided for them.

wes · 21-03-2017 1:51pm

He should just do what its normally done in the Pakistani community and raise the money from the community. It has been done in Dublin, and in some cases its as simple as a member of the communities restaurant letting people use a spare room above it for a couple of hours a day. Surely, the same can be done here, if there is demand.

21-03-2017 1:53pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Doubt any of the refugees will have a car and transport is likely quite sparse in the area, but that's all irrelevant - it's a quiet, safe place and being very rural if anything would be quite relaxing compared to a Dublin, Limerick or Cork considering the chaos these families (especially children) are coming from

The director of the immigration centre was on the radio this morning and was talking about the events they'd organised to welcome the refugees, volunteers doing walking tours of the area with them, English classes, etc. I doubt they're complaining, just this idiot.

Let this "businessman" fund it himself.

fatknacker · 21-03-2017 1:55pm

Looks like his comments went down like a led zeppallahn.

Red Kev · 21-03-2017 2:59pm

You don't need a purpose built building to designate it as being a mosque. It can be a room in a house/school, temporary or permanent.

biko · 21-03-2017 3:12pm

We need less religion, not more. And my taxes sure as hell shouldn't be used for religious buildings, be they synagogues, churches, or mosques.
And certainly not for "holy educations (sic)”.

jmayo · 21-03-2017 3:12pm

Billy86 wrote: »

Doubt any of the refugees will have a car and transport is likely quite sparse in the area, but that's all irrelevant - it's a quiet, safe place and being very rural if anything would be quite relaxing compared to a Dublin, Limerick or Cork considering the chaos these families (especially children) are coming from. The lack of cars/transport would make getting to the mosque tricky as Google Maps puts it as 22km/4 and a half hours walking, but the house of worship should more than suffice short term (which as you mention, their placement is) and the state is not in the business of building places of worship for any faith.

There might not be proper public transport, but people in Roscommon have discovered private transport including automobiles.
They were introduced by a lad who learned all about such contraptions over in Canada.

I even heard a rumour that some lad was offering a taxi/hackney service.
Of course it might just be a rumour, he might still just have a horse and trap.
Even that I suppose it bates the donkey and cart for speed and comfort :rolleyes:

biko · 21-03-2017 3:14pm

I'm sure Saudi Arabia is quite willing to spread wahabism by building mosques here..

fizzypish · 21-03-2017 3:20pm

Shur give them an old church. Plenty of them knocking about not being used. Be grand shur.

Effects · 21-03-2017 3:44pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Yeah, I wouldn't mind living there.

The town is actually a bit of a sad dump. Not a lot going on. Some lovely people though.

Billy86 · 21-03-2017 3:49pm

jmayo wrote: »

There might not be proper public transport, but people in Roscommon have discovered private transport including automobiles.
They were introduced by a lad who learned all about such contraptions over in Canada.

I even heard a rumour that some lad was offering a taxi/hackney service.
Of course it might just be a rumour, he might still just have a horse and trap.
Even that I suppose it bates the donkey and cart for speed and comfort :rolleyes:

Love your effort to try and take offense at nothing though. Pretty gas. And edgy, very edgy.

I take it you'll be happy for your taxes to go toward these refugees being taxi'd to and from everywhere? I mean you're saying they have that option, so that's all that can be assumed from it.

The_Kew_Tour · 21-03-2017 3:57pm

I don't have a problem with the Mosque being built for people coming from the war they have.

I don't even mind my tax payer money going towards it. The thing is that is the least of our worries now. Its only the start of this moral outrage that these "businessmen" will start with.

Wait another 10 years and it be x50

Glenster · 21-03-2017 4:00pm

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

I don't have a problem with the Mosque being built for people coming from the war they have.

I don't even mind my tax payer money going towards it. The thing is that is the least of our worries now. Its only the start of this moral outrage that these "businessmen" will start with.

Wait another 10 years and it be x50

Buy an old 1 room hall. Spend 20 grand on it to make it safe.

Where is it Roscommon? 80 grand and you're done.

refugees have a place to worship. Problem solved.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 21-03-2017 4:02pm

SILVAMAN wrote: »

A Longford based Pakistani business man has called for the government to build a mosque in Roscommon, for the newly arrived Syrians. He apparently claims that to be there in Ballaghadereen is a "punishment " for them, and that they are being discriminated against, etc.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/calls-for-roscommon-council-to-build-mosque-1.3017962
Fcuk that nonsense, I say. Let him put his money where his big mouth is and fund one himself. He might take the time to acquaint himself with our culture and laws. This isn't some Islamic dominated dump, rooted in the Middle Ages, which funds mosques, or any other type of religious building.

If they see it as such an awful punishment they are welcome to toddle on back to Syria.

Billy86 · 21-03-2017 4:11pm

Glenster wrote: »

Buy an old 1 room hall. Spend 20 grand on it to make it safe.

Where is it Roscommon? 80 grand and you're done.

refugees have a place to worship. Problem solved.

Nah, you have to draw a line on state involvement in religion. Give one an inch in terms of government spending and every one of them (and many of their followers) will try to take a mile. I'm all for different cultures, religions etc in Ireland but the state shouldn't be funding these institutions for a number of reasons, not least that if you give something to one all of the others will cry foul, persecution etc until they get given the same amount... and if just one of them finds a loophole or some way to get a tiny bit extra, the others will again all make noise until they get it too, and so on and so on.

They have a mosque 20km down the road if there is a way to make the trip and a local prayer house if not, and it's only a short term placement. Giving this eejit making the demand anything would just be opening a can of worms needlessly. Now if the local community, Irish Muslim community etc wish to make an effort like you have mentioned that is obviously completely grand, but the government should keep well away from this particular item.

ChikiChiki · 21-03-2017 4:26pm

Bit daft to put all these people in Ballaghadereen but be damn sure someone is making money from the hotel.

Lt Dan · 21-03-2017 4:38pm

SILVAMAN wrote: »

A Longford based Pakistani business man has called for the government to build a mosque in Roscommon, for the newly arrived Syrians. He apparently claims that to be there in Ballaghadereen is a "punishment " for them, and that they are being discriminated against, etc.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/calls-for-roscommon-council-to-build-mosque-1.3017962
Fcuk that nonsense, I say. Let him put his money where his big mouth is and fund one himself. He might take the time to acquaint himself with our culture and laws. This isn't some Islamic dominated dump, rooted in the Middle Ages, which funds mosques, or any other type of religious building.

When did the Pakistani National become spokesperson for Syrians, and when did he remotely care about them? Some people reek of agenda setting and will jump on any bandwagon

12,000 Muslims in the Midlands? :eek:

This hostel in Ballaghdeeran has not been popular because there had been genuine hope that the hotel which will not act like a hostel was going to open up again and bring in jobs. Talk about really wanting to wind up the locals

"The town is like a desert. There’s no activity there,no business there,"

1. The purpose of Asylum is NOT so Ahmed can get a job, but to offer shelter from persecution

2. Well, so is Longford , yet, that never stopped the Pakistan national, who more that likely, at some point, came to Ireland as a "asylum seeker" or "student" and who got "married" or fathered a child in order to get permanent legal status

3. Beggars can't be choosers

A prayer center could EASILY be prepared in the new hostel and even get one of the Irish Mosque leaders to give it a blessing. Would be a lovely day, have some thay and cake ready for them all and give them a big Roscommon welcome (or Mayo)

No doubt the man from Longford will be more than delighted to help out

Lt Dan · 21-03-2017 4:39pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

Sure let him call for a mosque all he wants, it's not like anyone will actually listen to him. Twat.

Hmmm, it is the kind of thing Aodhan MacRioardan of Labour would be jumping up and down on, once he returns from his crusades in NYC

Lt Dan · 21-03-2017 4:39pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Let them book a room in the local community centre for the hours they want it. Or meet in someone's house for an aul pray whenever they like.

Note this isn't the refugees themselves calling for a mosque, but this kind of guff could taint anyone's opinion against Muslim refugees.

Will the men be segregated from the women ?

Lt Dan · 21-03-2017 4:42pm

Coffee Fulled Runner wrote: »

There is already a big mosque in Ballyhaunis which is around 15 mins drive from Ballaghaderreen. There is also a house owned by a cleric in Ballaghaderreen which is used as a mosque for anyone who can't make the 15 minute journey to Ballyhaunis Both towns have a big sunni Muslim population and are well able to fund the building their own mosque as already proved without the state getting involved.

Please tell me that the Shannon Side Radio folk or the Irish Times pointed all of this out to the man from Longford

Even Catholic Parishoners in East Galway now have to travelled to the nearest town for mass every second Sunday because the parish priest is the only priest covering both churches / parish

I have a nasty feeling that Middle Ireland will cave in to these demands

Lt Dan · 21-03-2017 4:47pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Yeah, I wouldn't mind living there.

That is Roscommon Castle in Roscommon Town. Once you pass Roscommon Town, it ain't all that. Well, bar Lough Key in Boyle

Ballaghaderreen ain't like that bro. By no means awful, but, the Pakistani lad kinda has a point

Lux23 · 21-03-2017 4:52pm

I wonder does this fella hate Syrians and he is trying to stir up hate against them? The state shouldn't be providing money to build any kind of religious structure. But I am sure a local business or community centre could provide a room to be used as a mosque for Friday prayers? What did Muslims do before there were mosques in Dublin?

Widdershins · 21-03-2017 4:54pm

Hope his views aren't shared by the refugees.

SILVAMAN · 21-03-2017 4:58pm

Lux23 wrote: »

I wonder does this fella hate Syrians and he is trying to stir up hate against them? The state shouldn't be providing money to build any kind of religious structure. But I am sure a local business or community centre could provide a room to be used as a mosque for Friday prayers? What did Muslims do before there were mosques in Dublin?

Unfortunately many of the agitators are actually Pakistani-incredibly conservative, but that's to be expected from a veritable sh*t hole of a country.
What amuses me is coming here when clearly ion their opinion, the things that are supposed to be most important to them are not to be found here.

PARlance · 21-03-2017 5:01pm

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

If they see it as such an awful punishment they are welcome to toddle on back to Syria.

I'll donate 2 euro for that coin flip.

Jimmy Garlic · 21-03-2017 5:01pm

The sense of entitlement is strong with that one for sure. A mosque/education center where people can get their ''holy education'' and he wants taxpayers to pay for it? Get lost Muhammad, pay for your own superstitions. As the experience in Sweden, France, Germany etc has shown once muslim populations start rising they start making more and more demands on the host country and expect societies to change to fit in around them, instead of the other way around.

zmgakt7uw2dvfs · 21-03-2017 5:04pm

Zaph wrote: »

If the state funded the building of churches and places of worship for other denominations, then I'd have no problem with them doing so for a mosque. But they don't, if a religious denomination wants to build a church, synagogue, temple, meeting house or whatever they have to stump up for it themselves. So I fail to see how this is any different.

Agree. But I'm sure the Saudis will be happy to build one there.

Jimmy Garlic · 21-03-2017 5:09pm

Kensley White Camera wrote: »

Agree. But I'm sure the Saudis will be happy to build one there.

Just what we need in Ireland Saudi/Wahhabi funded hardline mosques. What could possibly go wrong?

JupiterKid · 21-03-2017 5:17pm

Effects wrote: »

The town is actually a bit of a sad dump. Not a lot going on. Some lovely people though.

Oi! Careful now! My granny comes from Ballaghaderreen.

As for that idiot - let him build a mosque himself. Give an inch and they'll take a mile. He'll be calling for Sharia Law next...:rolleyes:

taylor3 · 21-03-2017 5:31pm

Yeah I live in Roscommon (not Ballaghadereen) and have to say from the get go I thought what on earth will these people do in a town like Ballaghadereen with respect to that town there is not much going on there. I think things like the poor Broadband and lack of public transport will be headwrecking enough for them. Lacking a mosque in town probably wont be the only thing that'll piss then off.

Calls for State to build Mosque in Roscommon

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