Should Obese Children be put into care?

gailforecast · 20-07-2020 8:19pm #1

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

Jim Root · 20-07-2020 8:20pm

I’d take stupid parents away first. Some people should require a licence to breed kids.

Church on Tuesday · 20-07-2020 8:21pm

They should be they never will be.

Rodney Bathgate · 20-07-2020 8:23pm

The Chinese government send the fat kids to boot camps where they are reprogrammed.

GunnerBlue · 20-07-2020 8:24pm

gailforecast wrote: »

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

It makes me so sad to see really overweight little kids

byhookorbycrook · 20-07-2020 8:27pm

Let’s face it , the “ care system “ in Ireland is totally dysfunctional, so, no.

accensi0n · 20-07-2020 8:29pm

Too many sausage sambos.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-07-2020 8:40pm

GunnerBlue wrote: »

It makes me so sad to see really overweight little kids

Different strokes for different folks, eh! It always makes me laugh loudly. Safe in the knowledge the parents will be too fat to catch me while I sing the Benny Hill theme tune.

Pkiernan · 20-07-2020 8:41pm

gailforecast wrote: »

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

No, but dole should be scrapped.

Leg End Reject · 20-07-2020 8:46pm

GunnerBlue wrote: »

It makes me so sad to see really overweight little kids

I find it sad too, they're going to be fat for life.

maherhonda · 20-07-2020 8:49pm

I'd rather if you can't afford a child it should be taken off you.

A life of welfare money and a free house should not be tolerated and should not exist.

the14thwarrior · 20-07-2020 8:51pm

dont be silly
they don't have enough room for children with mental health difficulties, behavioural difficulties, physical difficulties, parents on drugs and alcohol, and the state has a hard enough time to manage these issues, with parents rights etc. ruling the way

put fat kids into care?
how many care homes do you think there are?

and who are you to decide who is fat?
and it's the parents fault.............

One eyed Jack · 20-07-2020 8:58pm

gailforecast wrote: »

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

No they’re not?

Nor will overweight children be removed from their parents care either.

What could you possibly think it would achieve anyway? They are just as likely to be abused in State care, not that you’d have anywhere to put them all. It would be like suggesting we should remove stupid children from their parents care, clearly that didn’t happen either.

One eyed Jack · 20-07-2020 9:02pm

maherhonda wrote: »

I'd rather if you can't afford a child it should be taken off you.

A life of welfare money and a free house should not be tolerated and should not exist.

I’m guessing it’s never occurred to you that when children are taken into the care of the State, what becomes of them? Now you know.

gailforecast · 20-07-2020 9:04pm

the14thwarrior wrote: »

and who are you to decide who is fat?
and it's the parents fault.............

allowing a child to reach a bmi to 30-35 is completely abusive.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 20-07-2020 9:17pm

Determine the cause of the obesity first, educate the parents on nuitirion and exercise second.

corner of hells · 20-07-2020 9:18pm

gailforecast wrote: »

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

I work in homeless services and occasionally with young men and young women who become homeless almost immediately after reaching 18 years of age after being in care as children.
It's a nightmare, devastating, significant amounts end up in addiction with little or no family contact often spending years in homeless services impacting on their physical and mental health .
I really dont think you're serious or if you are ,you haven't thought through the consequences of what you're suggesting.

20-07-2020 9:22pm

Is P.E still a treat in primary schools?

Gruffalux · 20-07-2020 9:24pm

Cheesus.

Blondini · 20-07-2020 9:25pm

the14thwarrior wrote: »

dont be silly
they don't have enough room for children ..............

Hee hee

Notmything · 20-07-2020 9:27pm

gailforecast wrote: »

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

Not a chance, the care system is not fit for purpose. It's becoming a for profit business.

The object of the children in care system is supposed to be about achieving a family reunification. Instead it's anything but, children are denied the resources needed. The state relies on private companies to meet its needs and many children come out worse than they went in.

And I work within the system.

Edit: Fwiw I don't think I've ever met a child who was taken into care due to malnourishment, usually multiple factors

the14thwarrior · 20-07-2020 9:27pm

no one said fat kids are healthy, and no one said every parent was smart

stop the thread before you put the needs of fat kids over kids that are, quite literally, mentally and phys. abused daily.
crap parents, crap lifestyle, no money, no prospects, kids are suffering daily in this country and you think fat kids should take priority?
they can lose the weight when they grow up

misguided to think it would work......
i hate threads like this when someone comes up with a stupid idea and expects people to get into a debate of whether its good or not, when dangerous kids are, at this moment, in very dsyfunctional homes because we do not have enough places. Do you have any idea of the sh&&t that is out there?

or no, wait, you do, and you want to put a fat kid into one of these places..... i'm sure the fat kid will feel safer and lose weight very quickly, because he will be so busy trying to run away the weight will just fall off him...............

eviltwin · 20-07-2020 9:28pm

Being familiar with the Irish care system I’d say being obese is the better option

meeeeh · 20-07-2020 9:28pm

Well nobody can say AH isn't reliably predictable.

20-07-2020 9:33pm

Sure OP. How many will you take in?

freshpopcorn · 20-07-2020 9:36pm

No, I'd just put the kids into care who are sent out without any socks on!

alroley · 20-07-2020 9:37pm

Children are much better off being obese than being in the Irish care system.

peckerhead · 20-07-2020 9:59pm

This has to be one of the most dumb-ass questions I've seen on AH in a while. And that's saying something.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-07-2020 10:05pm

I saw a good documentary on the life of an overweight American kid once. Turns out there is a link between being overweight as a child and psychopathic behaviour. He stabbed Rob Reiner and once fed another boys parents to him in a chili after having them shot. Had some serious anti-semitic views too. Very sad case.

Fr_Dougal · 20-07-2020 10:17pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

No, I'd just put the kids into care who are sent out without any socks on!

What if they’re wearing sandals?

freshpopcorn · 20-07-2020 10:35pm

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

What if they’re wearing sandals?

That’s fine of course and shorts.
I’m talking about the bare ankle brigade in winter.

20-07-2020 10:42pm

Do you know anyone that has grown up in the care of social services? Taking a child into care for being overweight would be a great disservice to the child. Parent education and active intervention is a far better solution than sending a child in to care.

Mad_maxx · 20-07-2020 10:46pm

absolutely not , state over reach gone crazy

if you ignore your health however , the state should not be expected to provide you with free care which is why i oppose public health care of the current variety

the likes of travellers who have a poor diet cost the HSE a whole lot more on average

Deebles McBeebles · 20-07-2020 11:09pm

peckerhead wrote: »

This has to be one of the most dumb-ass questions I've seen on AH in a while. And that's saying something.

Boy have you missed out! Its, I'd estimate, the 4th time this exact question has popped up as a thread starter since I joined in 2018.

YFlyer · 20-07-2020 11:47pm

the14thwarrior wrote: »

and who are you to decide who is fat?
and it's the parents fault.............

Could use the rudimentary body mass index method or the DEXA technology.

the14thwarrior · 21-07-2020 4:44pm

YFlyer wrote: »

Could use the rudimentary body mass index method or the DEXA technology.

and here was i thinking you could use the stupid scale - measures both weight and thoughts

21-07-2020 4:50pm

peckerhead wrote: »

This has to be one of the most dumb-ass questions I've seen on AH in a while. And that's saying something.

Why is it stupid?

I think the answer is No, children should never be taken away from their parents except if the child is the victim of physical or mental abuse.

But is childhood obesity not a form of physical abuse? It belongs in the same category, as far as I care, as second hand smoking. It might be worse. There absolutely should be an intervention, although ripping the child from the arms of his mother is a very last and extreme resort.

Dravokivich · 21-07-2020 5:08pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why is it stupid?

I think the answer is No, children should never be taken away from their parents except if the child is the victim of physical or mental abuse.

But is childhood obesity not a form of physical abuse? It belongs in the same category, as far as I care, as second hand smoking. It might be worse. There absolutely should be an intervention, although ripping the child from the arms of his mother is a very last and extreme resort.

It's stupid because the person asking, doesn't even care about the answer.

Gruffalux · 21-07-2020 5:08pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Why is it stupid?

I think the answer is No, children should never be taken away from their parents except if the child is the victim of physical or mental abuse.

But is childhood obesity not a form of physical abuse? It belongs in the same category, as far as I care, as second hand smoking. It might be worse. There absolutely should be an intervention, although ripping the child from the arms of his mother is a very last and extreme resort.

Jayzuz though if second hand smoke is comparable for child snatching purposes to letting them become fat now then almost every child born in the 60s and 70s would have been brought up in institutions. Even the la dee da Mammys back then kept the windows of the Cortina firmly rolled up while they smoked and gave not a single fcuk about the 15 childer killing each other on the back seat.

Gruffalux · 21-07-2020 5:14pm

The Mammys smoking probably made us grow up stronger and sexier, like we were already a little bit French.

loalae · 21-07-2020 5:15pm

Removing a child from their parents causes a massive trauma. The trauma likely to be caused by remaining with the parents needs to be more significant than the trauma of removal to justify removal. The care system is crap (I say that as a social worker) and it should only be used as a last resort when no other option is available to the state.

Surely the answer is education and disincentivising high calorie/low nutrient food? I have no objection to state intervention in family life when obesity is happening in a family home, however, removal to care is not the answer here.

Gruffalux · 21-07-2020 5:23pm

But here's a connundrum...the fat kids would have a fair to medium chance of being taken into care by fat social workers and fat case workers overseen by fat directors of instititions

it's never going to work.

YFlyer · 21-07-2020 6:08pm

the14thwarrior wrote: »

and here was i thinking you could use the stupid scale - measures both weight and thoughts

You mean poids?

the14thwarrior · 21-07-2020 7:30pm

YFlyer wrote: »

You mean poids?

exactly poids.
sure everyone knows how to use the stupid scale
even french people

YFlyer · 21-07-2020 9:24pm

the14thwarrior wrote: »

exactly poids.
sure everyone knows how to use the stupid scale
even french people

Sure they have the French Bureau International des Poids et Mesures.

YFlyer · 21-07-2020 9:31pm

gailforecast wrote: »

Malnourished children are generally removed from abusive parents. Shouldn’t fat children be removed from parents, as this is the same level of abuse as under feeding?

The authorities would take away an infant or toddler that be on a vegan diet.

KiKi III · 21-07-2020 9:35pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I saw a good documentary on the life of an overweight American kid once. Turns out there is a link between being overweight as a child and psychopathic behaviour. He stabbed Rob Reiner and once fed another boys parents to him in a chili after having them shot. Had some serious anti-semitic views too. Very sad case.

Pretty sure most of them just like chocolate and sweets.

Strumms · 21-07-2020 11:18pm

Obesity can be caused my many factors. ‘Look a fat kid, blame the parents !’ Is an ignorant stance.

Medical reasons why a child can be obese / overweight

- prader-willi-syndrome

- Cushings Syndrome

- hypothyroidism

Medications that are prescribed to help with epilepsy, diabetes, antidepressants, as well as medicine for schizophrenia all can and do cause serious weight gain.

You don’t need to put somebody in care to help them loose weight.

YFlyer · 22-07-2020 12:23am

Strumms wrote: »

Obesity can be caused my many factors. ‘Look a fat kid, blame the parents !’ Is an ignorant stance.

Medical reasons why a child can be obese / overweight

- prader-willi-syndrome

- Cushings Syndrome

- hypothyroidism

Medications that are prescribed to help with epilepsy, diabetes, antidepressants, as well as medicine for schizophrenia all can and do cause serious weight gain.

You don’t need to put somebody in care to help them loose weight.

More factors the past 2 decades compared to previous 2 decades.

I Am Nobody · 22-07-2020 12:32am

You also have to factor in kids nowadays aren't near as active as we were.Eating ****e and staring at screens,young parents use technology to babysit their offspring.Plus they don't cook wholesome dinners,instead relying on takeaways.Thats the future lads,it's all downhill from here.

YellowBucket · 22-07-2020 12:38am

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

The Chinese government send the fat kids to boot camps where they are reprogrammed.

The Chinese Government sends people who get the equivalent of infractions from a boards.ie moderator to a boot camp where they're reprogrammed.

It's a favourite solution of the CCP, but hardly an acceptable way of dealing with anything in a democracy!

Should Obese Children be put into care?

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