''The girl who became three boys''

07-08-2012 5:04pm

annascott wrote: »

I don't see what the crime is, although the deception thing questions their character. It is perfectly acceptable to be a lesbian who chooses to dress as a boy. I don't understand why they don't just do that instead.

The crime is that she duped the underage women into performing sexual acts - they are minors, she isn't. If the girls knew what they were agreeing to, then it'd be completely different, but they didn't realize she was older and not a guy.

Sala · 07-08-2012 6:12pm

I don't understand how they didn't know, they were friends with her in her real life as a girl??

Mr. Manager · 07-08-2012 6:42pm

I feel stupider having read that.

Catari Jaguar · 07-08-2012 10:31pm

Anyone watch that? Supposed to be a documentary but was pretty clear that the makers just thought it was a ridiculous story and it painted one of the victims as a complete idiot. The whole thing was so far fetched. I am scared for teenage girls that become so naive and silly over boys.

PK2008 · 07-08-2012 11:15pm

Is it ok to knock one out to this or is there an actual crime here?

angeleyescdl · 07-08-2012 11:16pm

This unfortunately happens more than you would believe!!
It happened to me and I'm not a young school girl.
I was duped online at a time when I was very vulnerable and had just been diagnosed with a serious illness. I believed that an american guy, 10 years my junior, was interested in me. The photo's were real (although to this day I do not know who they were really of) and 'he' treated me like a princess online. We would chat online every night until the early hours of the morning. We swapped mobile numbers so we could text the rest of the time.
This started in the August but we never actually met until the November, by that time I was hooked.
Looking back he/she groomed me. Telling me what I wanted to hear, making up stories to make me feel emotionally attached without ever meeting. Stories such as being abused as a child by 'his' father. I was even shown pictures of a stunning lady I believed to be 'his' mother.
When we did meet 'he' sounded american but like that one in the program, also wore hats all the time.
The lies and the way I was groomed make me so angry, even though this happened years ago now.
The truth eventually came out and it turns out she lived in the same city as me (and was not amaerican!!!), had an amazing childhood and her parents - both of them, were lovely people.
There is more to the story but it angers me so much remembering it all, I just wanted to say it does happen to other women out there not just schoolgirls.
I totally empathise with those young girls, I thought as an adult nothing like that could ever happen to me!!!

starbelgrade · 07-08-2012 11:40pm

If there is one lesson to be learned from all this, it's to beware of men who wear hats.

fullstop · 07-08-2012 11:57pm

Catari Jaguar wrote: »

Anyone watch that? Supposed to be a documentary but was pretty clear that the makers just thought it was a ridiculous story and it painted one of the victims as a complete idiot. The whole thing was so far fetched. I am scared for teenage girls that become so naive and silly over boys.

She was a complete idiot! I mean, 'he' talked to her by typing messages on 'his' phone because 'he' was "shy"...that's just downright odd.

Vicar in a tutu · 07-08-2012 11:58pm

She obviously has some sort of mental illness, or is a very confused young woman.. what she done was VERY wrong and deceitful, I reckon in a few years she's going to punch herself in the face with mortification:pac:

MonkstownHoop · 08-08-2012 12:45am

terrible documentary all in all, just showed that girl up for being really stupid, who would go out with someone who never spoke to them?

strobe · 08-08-2012 12:45am

starbelgrade wrote: »

If there is one lesson to be learned from all this, it's to beware of men who wear hats.

And to always, always drop the hand on a first date.

brummytom · 08-08-2012 12:47am

I just watched the first 5 minutes of that documentary.

I really want to hurt that Jess girl. Jesus, she's an idiot.

SusieBlue · 08-08-2012 1:42am

Those poor girls, I'd feel like a total idiot if it were me.

Gemma Barker is clearly very, very disturbed if she believes impersonating a man to lure her two friends into relationships is the key to long term friendship.

The documentary said a psychological report was done on her and that she has no personality disorder of any form. Makes you wonder what the hell was crossing her mind to make her come to the conclusion that creating multiple personalities was a good idea.

Paully D · 08-08-2012 5:41am

Lets just say no one involved will be troubling the entry requirements for Mensa.

BillyMitchel · 08-08-2012 7:36am

Head The Wall wrote: »

marshbaboon wrote: »

It's like, the second massive picture on the link. Scroll down.

She looks like a mixture between Norman Bates & Rico from starship troopers.

She looks like she has a decent size rack, how was that not discovered during the "petting"

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I would

Gurgle · 08-08-2012 10:04am

Paully D wrote: »

Lets just say no one involved will be troubling the entry requirements for Mensa.

Nutcase and all, anyone who can pull off this level of con has something highly active between the ears.

Annasopra · 08-08-2012 10:55am

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Probably touching their boobs or something. There was a case of it a few years ago with a woman pretending to be a teen boy and did the same and was charged with it.

Charged with what?

MagicSean · 08-08-2012 11:54am

mango salsa wrote: »

Charged with what?

Probably sexual assaulting a minor

TwoShedsJackson · 08-08-2012 12:29pm

The main thing I took from this is that those teenagers must have been a right bunch of credulous fu<kwits. Going out with someone who refuses to talk, communicates by text while sitting beside you, and never takes his hat off? Get the fu<k out of here.

It'd be funny if it wasn't for the fact that two underage kids were sexually assaulted.

A Primal Nut · 08-08-2012 1:31pm

Links234 wrote: »

I think it's just the way the story is being spun here, and the crime is that she sexually abused underage girls, but that the cross-dressing is what the Daily Mail finds juicy and news-worthy.

totally different kettle of fish entirely, transgender people are at great risk of physical assault, sexual assault and even murder because of their gender identity, so will tend to keep it to themselves for safety reasons and may only open up about things when they feel safe or comfortable enough to.

Or maybe they keep it to themselves so they can fool straight people into having sex with them? If they aren't confident enough to tell a person before having sex with them, then they shouldn't having sex with them (same goes for dating).

Links234 · 08-08-2012 1:55pm

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Or maybe they keep it to themselves so they can fool straight people into having sex with them?

No. just no.

cloud493 · 11-08-2012 7:20pm

That was a funny program : D

BlueSmoker · 11-08-2012 7:55pm

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Or maybe they keep it to themselves so they can fool straight people into having sex with them? If they aren't confident enough to tell a person before having sex with them, then they shouldn't having sex with them (same goes for dating).

As a transexual person, I would always, tell the person I was interested in, as I was getting to know them, and trusted them, this always falls inbetween first date (some times sooner) and well before having sex. From what I know from other transexual people I know, this is generally the case.

Maybe stop watching Jerry Springer, as that show was actually staged for most shocking results

cloud493 · 11-08-2012 11:15pm

I was thinking like 'your with a guy who doesn't talk, always wears a hat, and never shows you his face' ermmmmm. And I'm not a woman, but like, sure the other girl should have been able to tell the difference between a man having sex with her, and a dildo. How did it even work?

Phill Ewinn · 11-08-2012 11:18pm

cloud493 wrote: »

I was thinking like 'your with a guy who doesn't talk, always wears a hat, and never shows you his face' ermmmmm. And I'm not a woman, but like, sure the other girl should have been able to tell the difference between a man having sex with her, and a dildo. How did it even work?

It was dark?

cloud493 · 11-08-2012 11:26pm

*Not a woman* would you not be able to tell the difference?

Phill Ewinn · 11-08-2012 11:31pm

cloud493 wrote: »

*Not a woman* would you not be able to tell the difference?

Did have eyes in the back of head maybe. Her brown eye was prolly getting poked at the time.

iguana · 11-08-2012 11:43pm

cloud493 wrote: »

And I'm not a woman, but like, sure the other girl should have been able to tell the difference between a man having sex with her, and a dildo.

How the hell would she have been able to tell the difference when she knew nothing different? She was a 15 year old girl, losing her virginity to who she thought was her boyfriend. It was dark, she was nervous, she wasn't even sure why 'he' had left so many of his clothes on, she'd never felt a penis. As if she'd somehow have known that what she was feeling was actually a dildo.

Sure plenty of girls/women would probably have seen and felt their partners penis before penetration, probably over a few different occasions on the lead up to feeling ready to have sex. But this girl was chosen and groomed by both her 'friend Gemma' and her 'boyfriend Aaron,' specifically because she would have been the type to be easily led into going along with what her boyfriend told her.

cloud493 · 11-08-2012 11:45pm

I dunno. Maybe its different if your actually there, but it seems incredulous that neither of them copped on.

BlueSmoker · 12-08-2012 12:09am

iguana wrote: »

How the hell would she have been able to tell the difference when she knew nothing different? She was a 15 year old girl, losing her virginity to who she thought was her boyfriend. It was dark, she was nervous, she wasn't even sure why 'he' had left so many of his clothes on, she'd never felt a penis. As if she'd somehow have known that what she was feeling was actually a dildo.

Sure plenty of girls/women would probably have seen and felt their partners penis before penetration, probably over a few different occasions on the lead up to feeling ready to have sex. But this girl was specifically chosen and groomed by both her 'friend Gemma' and her 'boyfriend Aaron,' specifically because she would have been the type to be easily led into going along with what her boyfriend told her.

I Have to agree with this, most people here in AH are wondering how they didn't know, well I'm assuming here that most of you guys at the age of 15 had not known what the others genders genitally really felt like. (If you did Yippee, well done you, call the Cops), cause you where breaking the law by being sexual active. (I can now only assume that both of youse where under 16) ?

Right next this girl (Gemma) was over 17 and I assume she was just jealous of her 15 year old friends talking about guys, and as see might have felt left out (and possibly immature and gay/transgendered), she concocked (excuse pun) this stupid idea, to get close to her crushes (her friends)

But she did break the law, she sexual assault a minor, and that is what the judge throw at her, nothing to do with how many men she impersonated (that just makes good press)

Now can we get back to my orginal assumption, how many of you had sex before you where sixteen, and was he/she older, and did you have a bleeding clue. Actually never mind I think I know the answer, as I can remember other posts of bravado

But she did break the law, and if you break the law, you do have to pay. Sorry everyone should realise that.

iguana · 12-08-2012 12:11am

cloud493 wrote: »

I dunno. Maybe its different if your actually there, but it seems incredulous that neither of them copped on.

You have spent your whole life feeling a penis, so you'd obviously know the difference between how a penis feels and how a dildo feels. If you've never felt a penis before then you would have nothing to compare it to. And it's not like she felt it with her hands, she felt it with her vagina, she was nervous, more than likely all she felt was soreness and discomfort, which was all she would have been expecting to feel. She wasn't going to have a sudden epiphany about what was penetrating her.

cloud493 · 12-08-2012 12:13am

Ok, fair enough. But I still find it hard to see how neither girl copped on.

BlueSmoker · 12-08-2012 12:24am

I can't believe how hypocritical some AH posters are being, if a 17 year old guy groomed your 15 year old daughter, and she lost her virginity to him, and then said, he lead her up the garden path, is that not taking advantage of your daughter.

That is what the judge throw the book at Gemma for.

God I really worry about where some adults understand what age a child becomes an adult?

iguana · 12-08-2012 12:28am

It's certainly hard to understand why they couldn't see that their 'boyfriend' looked an awful lot like their friend. That each of their boyfriends looked like each other. And in the case of Jessica Sayers, that her boyfriend looked an awful lot like her last boyfriend.

But what appears to have been an extremely innocent 15 year old virgin, not knowing the difference between a penis and a dildo that she had only felt through penetration isn't at all surprising.

cloud493 · 12-08-2012 12:38am

Your quite right, I can agree with you on that point after reading what you said, too young to tell the difference. But... like, if your on facebook telling everyone how much you and your boyfriend love each other(even though facebook proclamations of love can be pretty worthless), would you not find it a bit odd he'd never take his hat off, never actually spoken to the guy you 'love' never seen his mouth. I just, you know. They sound like reasonably smart girls.

BlueSmoker · 12-08-2012 1:18am

cloud493 wrote: »

Your quite right, I can agree with you on that point after reading what you said, too young to tell the difference. But... like, if your on facebook telling everyone how much you and your boyfriend love each other(even though facebook proclamations of love can be pretty worthless), would you not find it a bit odd he'd never take his hat off, never actually spoken to the guy you 'love' never seen his mouth. I just, you know. They sound like reasonably smart girls.

What. My 12/13 niece talks with her friends online about dicks, and thinks no one notices, not to OTT but she does, very girl has their sexual awakening, and they talk about it, but generally not on facebook, that is how they want the world to see them to effect. They are still 12/13 year old girls, and don't tell me a 15 year old is any more sensible, she isn't, she might belief it, but she isn't, generally she is vunerable, and can't waiting to experience the world, but very much vunerable.

As every teenager, their worlds are being torn apart physically and emotionally, I'm including boys in this, every gender has their live torn apart even ever so slightly as they chance from child to adult, we need to protect that

ziedth · 12-08-2012 1:30am

I must say that documentary was shocking...... not the story mind as mad as that was it doesn't compare to How they screwed over that girl Jess. Yes, she obviously isn't the brightest but christ they painted her as a complete and utter moron. So much so it actually took away from how serious it was.

Corholio · 12-08-2012 1:32am

iguana wrote: »

You have spent your whole life feeling a penis.

In any other After Hours thread this would be an insult :pac:

BlueSmoker · 12-08-2012 1:47am

Originally Posted by iguana
You have spent your whole life feeling a penis.
In any other After Hours thread this would be an insult

Interesting, you do no this thread has nothing to do with gender, but with sexuality don't you? Very much illegal sexual contexts, eg of minors, you do don't you?

3rdDegree · 12-08-2012 2:10am

Just watched the documentary. Must say that all involved, especially the stoutish victim, seems quite dense. She blamed the founder of Facebook for the whole affair. Can't understand how the offender didn't just end the scam when the thing started to go tits up. She probably would have gotten away with the whole thing, considering the victims hadn't a clue and probably still wouldn't.

Although I thought they were all as thick as ****, no one deserves to be abused the way those silly girls were.

Tabloid TV indeed!

cloud493 · 12-08-2012 11:43am

Thought it was rather telling that not a single actual police officer was on the program :pac:

12-08-2012 11:54am

If this girl doesn't get charged the same as a male pedophile, then there's something wrong. She groomed and sexually abused minors, causing untold mental harm to them too. Really, there's no other way of putting it.

3rdDegree · 12-08-2012 12:28pm

boneyarsebogman wrote: »

If this girl doesn't get charged the same as a male pedophile, then there's something wrong. She groomed and sexually abused minors, causing untold mental harm to them too. Really, there's no other way of putting it.

She got two and a half years on jail.

AnonoBoy · 12-08-2012 12:36pm

I just started watching the doc there.

"If Mark Zuckerberg had never invented Facebook, none of this would have ever happened. So he's to blame."

What. A. Moron.

12-08-2012 1:34pm

Just finished watching it there- I didn't think she came across as overly dense, especially when she said talking like "lyk" and "dis" made you look like an idiot, she came across as overly trusting, caring and mannerly. Sure it was a bit silly that she blamed Mark Zuckerberg, but if I had been as messed around as she was, I probably would have said something similar.

Gummy Panda · 12-08-2012 1:45pm

One of the girls really came across as stupid. She dated Gemma twice as two different boys. "here let me change my hat. Sure in a different boy."

I also thought it was weird that she didn't want one of the "boys" to do sexual stuff but let "him" take off her pj bottoms and then knickers.

12-08-2012 1:47pm

Gummy Panda wrote: »

One of the girls really came across as stupid. She dated Gemma twice as two different boys. "here let me change my hat. Sure in a different boy."

I also thought it was weird that she didn't want one of the "boys" to do sexual stuff but let "him" take off her pj bottoms and then knickers.

She didn't let "him". "He" removed them and she tried to stop "him". She was sexually assaulted.

Gummy Panda · 12-08-2012 1:49pm

boneyarsebogman wrote: »

Gummy Panda wrote: »

One of the girls really came across as stupid. She dated Gemma twice as two different boys. "here let me change my hat. Sure in a different boy."

I also thought it was weird that she didn't want one of the "boys" to do sexual stuff but let "him" take off her pj bottoms and then knickers.

She didn't let "him". "He" removed them and she tried to stop "him". She was sexually assaulted.

In the doc she said he took them off then her knickers. When he started performing oral sex she asked him to stop.

SocSocPol · 12-08-2012 3:04pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

What was the actual crime?

She sexually assaulted the girls.

Neeson · 21-08-2012 3:43am

The stoutish one was as thick as a cow pat. How could they not all notice the similarities in the face and find it odd that someone was covering up so much.

''The girl who became three boys''

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