The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:03pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Well it's the same explanation, it's the overwhelming numbers that are the problem now.
If you look around the world now, contact tracing is still one of the biggest issues.
Hopefully it's sorted now and we are back on speed.

Our app was consistently lauded around the world and was used, along with the German one as a model in how to construct one. The HSE didn't have enough staff, simple as that, even though we have been told the 2nd wave would have much larger numbers...incompetency again.

21-10-2020 10:06pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Our app was consistently lauded around the world and was used, along with the German one as a model in how to construct one. The HSE didn't have enough staff, simple as that, even though we have been told the 2nd wave would have much larger numbers...incompetency again.

Panic over. HSE have sorted the problem and are back on track. Sorry to disappoint you. https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1021/1172969-leaders-questions/

smurgen · 21-10-2020 10:08pm

Nobotty wrote: »

To be fair The church didn't murder or rape or do all those awfull things
Heretics within the church and their State comforters/collaborators did directly and indirectly IMO

The church done it on a systemic fashion aided by our betters. If they didn't why was compensation paid by institutions and government?

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Panic over. HSE have sorted the problem and are back on track. Sorry to disappoint you. https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/1021/1172969-leaders-questions/

Now the next part, do you believe them.

Bishop of hope · 21-10-2020 10:10pm

Nobotty wrote: »

The enormity of the incompetence
Just brushed aside
Move along
Its just a blip etc

That's not true, it's been dealt with.
There wasn't enough staff and now there is, what are you looking for?

21-10-2020 10:10pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Now the next part, do you believe them.

Blessed is he who doesn’t see, yet believes.

Nobotty · 21-10-2020 10:11pm

smurgen wrote: »

The church done it on a systemic fashion aided by our betters. If they didn't why was compensation paid by institutions and government?

Because heretics controlled the institution s

FrancieBrady · 21-10-2020 10:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Blessed is he who doesn’t see, yet believes.

It's FF and FG, there isn't enough holy water.

Nobotty · 21-10-2020 10:17pm

Bishop of hope wrote: »

That's not true, it's been dealt with.
There wasn't enough staff and now there is, what are you looking for?

4 or 5 days of contacts circulating who should have been contacted in a timely fashion,certainly has NOT been dealt with
That ship sailed on those days and that damage cannot be undone

Bishop of hope · 21-10-2020 10:28pm

Nobotty wrote: »

4 or 5 days of contacts circulating who should have been contacted in a timely fashion,certainly has NOT been dealt with
That ship sailed on those days and that damage cannot be undone

The game is lost Nobbot regards that, a lot of things are too slow.
Take the restrictions from midnight tonight too if you want, towns and shops overwhelmed for the last couple of days, I wonder how many are infected because of that?
Nmphets shouts for the last two weeks, people knew this was coming in a while, leaks and announcements, all **** to the fan.
The spread is because people are stupid and act on impulses instead of keeping their heads and staying safe

dundalkfc10 · 21-10-2020 11:51pm

Fine Gael TD on The Tonight Show after being proven to not have a clue all night ends with what about the Boby Storey funeral at the very end

Dyr · 22-10-2020 1:17am

Just wondering lads, when we can expect a mural to be put up in West Belfast commemorating the French school teacher that was beheaded?

Or maybe SFs international solidaritee doesnt extend to Europeans

markodaly · 22-10-2020 1:19am

Hqrry113 wrote: »

Alan Black a protestant, the only survivor of Kingsmill, believes that IRA members involved in the massacre were double agents working for the British state.

He believes there was a "cover up" and that British security forces knew the massacre was going to happen but allowed it to. Karen Armstrong, sister of victim John McConville, said: "A lot of people were being protected back then and they still are". It has been suggested that the gunman with the English accent could have been British Intelligence officer Robert Nairac.

John Weir, a former RUC officer and member of the "Glenanne gang", claims he discovered that British Intelligence, through Nairac, was "playing republican and loyalist paramilitaries off against each other".

Hmmm, lots of nice stories here but nothing or no evidence to back it up.

markodaly · 22-10-2020 1:24am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ideally of course they shouldn't.

But you started this by demanding that action should be taken by SF.

My argument is you can't take action on foot of allegations.

Of course you can, you can investigate the allegation and take action based on te facts.
We all know SF act like the Mafia and omerta is a core value within the party. That is why so many don't trust them.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 8:41am

markodaly wrote: »

Of course you can, you can investigate the allegation and take action based on te facts.
We all know SF act like the Mafia and omerta is a core value within the party. That is why so many don't trust them.

We all know FG and FF let the Church get away with abusing people for decades without doing a thing about it. Even now they are trying to sweep it under the carpet

People in glass houses should not throw stones

P. S Going on the election result, SF and FF have the same levels of support with FG lagging behind so as many trust them as the other leading party and more than all rest

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 8:59am

markodaly wrote: »

Of course you can, you can investigate the allegation and take action based on te facts.
We all know SF act like the Mafia and omerta is a core value within the party. That is why so many don't trust them.

How do you know it hasn't been? You are hanging based on an allegation again Mark.

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 9:01am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

We all know FG and FF let the Church get away with abusing people for decades without doing a thing about it. Even now they are trying to sweep it under the carpet

People in glass houses should not throw stones

It is pretty remarkable and lacking in self awareness that Mark would make that claim on the day the government was trying to put 'omerta' into legislation in the Dáil.

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 9:30am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I see there are a couple amendments to the bill now and it's going to be kept on public file for access.

Re the contact tracing issue, it's back on schedule now I see too.
There's contact tracing issues all over the place it seems, such large numbers are hard to keep track of.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54631285

Charlie Flannigan, spit, may well have been the mind changer, go figure.

Every time that Sinn Fein complain about something to do with coronavirus in this State (we had David Cullinane on radio this morning ranting), it turns out that the North, where they have responsibility, is in an even worse situation. Is Mary-Lou going to call for Michelle's head to roll for taking her eye off the ball?

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 9:35am

Nobotty wrote: »

4 or 5 days of contacts circulating who should have been contacted in a timely fashion,certainly has NOT been dealt with
That ship sailed on those days and that damage cannot be undone

True, but every country is facing that problem, and once again, we have performed better than our neighbours in that regard.

Remember, we have a Common Travel Area with two basket cases, the North run by Sinn Fein, and England, the responsibility of Boris Johnson. Considering those two calamaties on our doorstep, we have done remarkably well in controlling the virus.

Heard a Cavan GP on the radio this morning, blaming their huge figures on border communities celebrating GAA victories and commemorating in funerals. The latter problem is on Sinn Fein for the Storey debacle, but the rest of it is down to people not following the rules. A disregard for the law is something that Sinn Fein have cultivated in border communities, that chicken is coming home to roost and not in a good way.

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 9:39am

blanch152 wrote: »

Every time that Sinn Fein complain about something to do with coronavirus in this State (we had David Cullinane on radio this morning ranting), it turns out that the North, where they have responsibility, is in an even worse situation. Is Mary-Lou going to call for Michelle's head to roll for taking her eye off the ball?

Is Michael calling for Colum Eastwood to resign? We know FG have no responsibility, as up there is overseas.

NI is run by a 5 party executive. If you know what you are talking about here, outline exactly how SF specifically (or if you wish to use your allies in opposing a UI - The DUP) could have avoided the delays at Altnagelvin?

Give us a detailed 'how to' please.

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 9:40am

blanch152 wrote: »

True, but every country is facing that problem, and once again, we have performed better than our neighbours in that regard.

Remember, we have a Common Travel Area with two basket cases, the North run by Sinn Fein, and England, the responsibility of Boris Johnson. Considering those two calamaties on our doorstep, we have done remarkably well in controlling the virus.

Heard a Cavan GP on the radio this morning, blaming their huge figures on border communities celebrating GAA victories and commemorating in funerals. The latter problem is on Sinn Fein for the Storey debacle, but the rest of it is down to people not following the rules. A disregard for the law is something that Sinn Fein have cultivated in border communities, that chicken is coming home to roost and not in a good way.

Surely people in 'Cavan' would have taken their lead from funerals conducted in the state in which they live?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 9:44am

blanch152 wrote: »

Every time that Sinn Fein complain about something to do with coronavirus in this State (we had David Cullinane on radio this morning ranting), it turns out that the North, where they have responsibility, is in an even worse situation. Is Mary-Lou going to call for Michelle's head to roll for taking her eye off the ball?

Hey look our Govt have ****ed up again, point up North and say what about up there

Il give you one thing, you stick to the party line no matter what.

Do you have anything to say about the tracing fiasco or is it just going to be well its worse somewhere else?

Your mate LV has gone very quiet recently, would their be a reason for that?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 9:46am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Surely people in 'Cavan' would have taken their lead from funerals conducted in the state in which they live?

Or maybe they all went to play Golf and had a session in the club house after it

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 9:47am

blanch152 wrote: »

True, but every country is facing that problem, and once again, we have performed better than our neighbours in that regard.

Remember, we have a Common Travel Area with two basket cases, the North run by Sinn Fein, and England, the responsibility of Boris Johnson. Considering those two calamaties on our doorstep, we have done remarkably well in controlling the virus.

Heard a Cavan GP on the radio this morning, blaming their huge figures on border communities celebrating GAA victories and commemorating in funerals. The latter problem is on Sinn Fein for the Storey debacle, but the rest of it is down to people not following the rules. A disregard for the law is something that Sinn Fein have cultivated in border communities, that chicken is coming home to roost and not in a good way.

Surely the Cavan GP would be talking about a funeral in his own country and not 'abroad'? You sure he never said the States funeral for the Gardaí or maybe the session over in Clifden for all the lads and lassies

a very cool kid · 22-10-2020 9:55am

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/mcdonald-left-health-officials-briefing-after-less-than-an-hour-39649449.html

I don't think the above was addressed correctly on the thread. I hope she had a good excuse - this smacks of irresponsibility and fecklessness. How can she be doing a good job holding government to account when she can't be bothered getting all the detail?

a very cool kid · 22-10-2020 9:56am

Also add to this Mark "birdbrain" Ward's call for gyms to reopen - you know because breathing hard indoors won't spread the virus....

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 9:58am

a very cool kid wrote: »

you know because breathing hard indoors won't spread the virus....

Like in GAA dressing rooms?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:03am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Like in GAA dressing rooms?

Or a school classroom with 30 kids and 2 adults

JohnnyFlash · 22-10-2020 10:20am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Or a school classroom with 30 kids and 2 adults

Is it the SF position that schools, universities and crèches should close?

grayzer75 · 22-10-2020 10:21am

blanch152 wrote: »

True, but every country is facing that problem, and once again, we have performed better than our neighbours in that regard.

Remember, we have a Common Travel Area with two basket cases, the North run by Sinn Fein, and England, the responsibility of Boris Johnson. Considering those two calamaties on our doorstep, we have done remarkably well in controlling the virus.

Heard a Cavan GP on the radio this morning, blaming their huge figures on border communities celebrating GAA victories and commemorating in funerals. The latter problem is on Sinn Fein for the Storey debacle, but the rest of it is down to people not following the rules. A disregard for the law is something that Sinn Fein have cultivated in border communities, that chicken is coming home to roost and not in a good way.

So you're now blaming a funeral in Belfast which took place over 3 months ago for the sharp rise in cases in Cavan this week - did you ever consider a career in standup hahaha

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 10:21am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is Michael calling for Colum Eastwood to resign? We know FG have no responsibility, as up there is overseas.

NI is run by a 5 party executive. If you know what you are talking about here, outline exactly how SF specifically (or if you wish to use your allies in opposing a UI - The DUP) could have avoided the delays at Altnagelvin?

Give us a detailed 'how to' please.

I don't have allies in the DUP.

However, I do remember you being on these boards for months stating that a national government was the only way to deal with a crisis. Now you are saying that a national government up North is not able to deal with the virus. Typical hypocrisy.

It is also a cheap way of avoiding responsibility. Explain to me how a three-party coalition can perform so much better than a five-party coalition. What is it about two extra parties that makes it so impossible to do?

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 10:23am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Is it the SF position that schools, universities and crèches should close?

Yes, that is their position and they expressed it around ten days after they were calling for bookies and pubs to stay open.

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 10:23am

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't have allies in the DUP.

However, I do remember you being on these boards for months stating that a national government was the only way to deal with a crisis. Now you are saying that a national government up North is not able to deal with the virus. Typical hypocrisy.

It is also a cheap way of avoiding responsibility. Explain to me how a three-party coalition can perform so much better than a five-party coalition. What is it about two extra parties that makes it so impossible to do?

The north is run by an executive - it's 'government' sits in Westminister. Read slowly - THERE IS NO COMPARISON.

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 10:26am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The north is run by an executive - it's 'government' sits in Westminister. Read slowly - THERE IS NO COMPARISON.

Terminology means nothing, the substance is that they have the powers.

Bishop of hope · 22-10-2020 10:28am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The north is run by an executive - it's 'government' sits in Westminister. Read slowly - THERE IS NO COMPARISON.

Of course there is a comparison.
The north is RUN by an executive, you said it yourself there.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:29am

blanch152 wrote: »

I don't have allies in the DUP.

However, I do remember you being on these boards for months stating that a national government was the only way to deal with a crisis. Now you are saying that a national government up North is not able to deal with the virus. Typical hypocrisy.

It is also a cheap way of avoiding responsibility. Explain to me how a three-party coalition can perform so much better than a five-party coalition. What is it about two extra parties that makes it so impossible to do?

Yes we are doing so much better, just a text to 2500 odd people saying contact your own close contacts cause our Govt failed to deliver people to do this job which they promised would be in place. Add in the leader and health minister never even knew about it.

They are shouting about the amount tests they are doing, pointless without the tracing aswell which we have been told from the start.

One of the party's leaders is in hiding since his teenage tantrum at NPHET came back to bite him in the arse.

Mícheál is trying his best, but is just not up to it. He is an honest man (apart from his what about SF style he has taken up recently)

Eamonn may aswell be smoking green than leader of the Greens for the use he is.

Alls rosy down in the Free State here, no issues at all. Others are worse so we are doing fine

We have enough ICU beds and hospital capacity to get us though the winter. Cancer treatment is back at 100% as well as other Health services, business will be back on 1st Dec and not in and out of lockdown for months.... Oh sorry I got it wrong, we have none of that

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 10:30am

blanch152 wrote: »

Terminology means nothing, the substance is that they have the powers.

So, you were asked to outline how a single party in the executive could affect change.

When you are ready.

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 10:43am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So, you were asked to outline how a single party in the executive could affect change.

When you are ready.

In the same way that a single party in the coalition Government down here can affect change, simple as that.

How do you do it? By force of logic, by force of reason, by persuasion, the same way that anyone in a partnership or management group does it. Your admission of failure on the part of Sinn Fein in achieving such change in the Executive bodes really badly for any participation in government in the South. Your claim that there is nothing they can do also shows their inability to be a team player and strongly makes the case that both FF and FG were correct to rule them out as a workable partner in government.

If Sinn Fein can't work in the Executive, there is no chance of them being a suitable coalition partner.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:45am

blanch152 wrote: »

In the same way that a single party in the coalition Government down here can affect change, simple as that.

How do you do it? By force of logic, by force of reason, by persuasion, the same way that anyone in a partnership or management group does it. Your admission of failure on the part of Sinn Fein in achieving such change in the Executive bodes really badly for any participation in government in the South. Your claim that there is nothing they can do also shows their inability to be a team player and strongly makes the case that both FF and FG were correct to rule them out as a workable partner in government.

If Sinn Fein can't work in the Executive, there is no chance of them being a suitable coalition partner.

Well we have seen FF and FG can't work together so it's time for SF love.

Roll on next election, people will not forget this shambles for months, or them trying to hide the mother and babies scandal or them putting the cervical check ladies through hell just to get answers

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 10:47am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yes we are doing so much better, just a text to 2500 odd people saying contact your own close contacts cause our Govt failed to deliver people to do this job which they promised would be in place. Add in the leader and health minister never even knew about it.

They are shouting about the amount tests they are doing, pointless without the tracing aswell which we have been told from the start.

One of the party's leaders is in hiding since his teenage tantrum at NPHET came back to bite him in the arse.

Mícheál is trying his best, but is just not up to it. He is an honest man (apart from his what about SF style he has taken up recently)

Eamonn may aswell be smoking green than leader of the Greens for the use he is.

Alls rosy down in the Free State here, no issues at all. Others are worse so we are doing fine

We have enough ICU beds and hospital capacity to get us though the winter. Cancer treatment is back at 100% as well as other Health services, business will be back on 1st Dec and not in and out of lockdown for months.... Oh sorry I got it wrong, we have none of that

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54631285

So 2,500 in Ireland only get a text, 4,000 completely missed in Northern Ireland and the rest only getting texts.

You have to be realistic here, every government, every health service, every public sector in the world is under strain and struggling to deal with the pandemic. Ours is doing relatively well. In an ideal world, it could be better, but we don't live in an ideal world, so we have to compare.

blanch152 · 22-10-2020 10:49am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Well we have seen FF and FG can't work together so it's time for SF love.

Roll on next election, people will not forget this shambles for months, or them trying to hide the mother and babies scandal or them putting the cervical check ladies through hell just to get answers

Sorry, we haven't seen FF and FG not working, in fact, as I keep pointing out, our country's performance in relation to Covid-19 has been relatively good, everything from the level of social payments to the numbers being contact traced are better than our nearest neighbours who operate in very similar conditions.

FrancieBrady · 22-10-2020 10:49am

blanch152 wrote: »

In the same way that a single party in the coalition Government down here can affect change, simple as that.

How do you do it? By force of logic, by force of reason, by persuasion, the same way that anyone in a partnership or management group does it. Your admission of failure on the part of Sinn Fein in achieving such change in the Executive bodes really badly for any participation in government in the South. Your claim that there is nothing they can do also shows their inability to be a team player and strongly makes the case that both FF and FG were correct to rule them out as a workable partner in government.

If Sinn Fein can't work in the Executive, there is no chance of them being a suitable coalition partner.

I never made the claim 'there is nothing they can do'. You once again made that claim for me.

Now, when you are ready, please tell us how a single party in the Executive specifically can bring about change.

Let me give you a for instance:

A single party puts forward a motion that 'Northern Ireland fully aligns with an all island health policy'.

Tell us how a party can get that adopted, by force of argument you say?

What was wrong with the argument made by those who supported this and why did it not succeed?

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:50am

blanch152 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54631285

So 2,500 in Ireland only get a text, 4,000 completely missed in Northern Ireland and the rest only getting texts.

You have to be realistic here, every government, every health service, every public sector in the world is under strain and struggling to deal with the pandemic. Ours is doing relatively well. In an ideal world, it could be better, but we don't live in an ideal world, so we have to compare.

If other places are doing as good does not mean our Govt cannot be held to account.

This is not about Northern Ireland. You blamed the funeral in Belfast 3 months ago for cases in Cavan this week, your some character il give you that

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 10:53am

blanch152 wrote: »

Sorry, we haven't seen FF and FG not working, in fact, as I keep pointing out, our country's performance in relation to Covid-19 has been relatively good, everything from the level of social payments to the numbers being contact traced are better than our nearest neighbours who operate in very similar conditions.

Yes we are on top of nursing homes, hospitals are fine, loads icu capacity, scandals every week from Govt, ministers keeping things from each other, HSE keeping things from ministers, one minister saying one thing another saying another, not enough tracers available despite hundreds thousands out of work, student nurses been forced work full time with no pay, thousands civil servants not working as no facility for them to work but getting paid,

A fine job all round before you mention Golf events

Bishop of hope · 22-10-2020 11:03am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yes we are on top of nursing homes, hospitals are fine, loads icu capacity, scandals every week from Govt, ministers keeping things from each other, HSE keeping things from ministers, one minister saying one thing another saying another, not enough tracers available despite hundreds thousands out of work, student nurses been forced work full time with no pay, thousands civil servants not working as no facility for them to work but getting paid,

A fine job all round before you mention Golf events

Happy days for you dd, you'll have loads of time now for boards!

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:06am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Happy days for you dd, you'll have loads of time now for boards!

Il be in Tallaght stadium at 2pm getting ready to watch European Football, take my mind off the people getting failed by Govt again

christy c · 22-10-2020 11:08am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

If other places are doing as good does not mean our Govt cannot be held to account.

Hold them to account by all means, but in this case you and others seem to be holding them to a higher standard than the people you actually vote for.

Mary Lou left a NPHET briefing early, did she or her party explain why? Everyone bar the PBP disagreed with the level 5 recommendation 2 weeks ago, yet we don't see the same venom directed at them from some posters.

Bishop of hope · 22-10-2020 11:09am

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Il be in Tallaght stadium at 2pm getting ready to watch European Football, take my mind off the people getting failed by Govt again

Good man, and good luck in the game BTW.

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:11am

christy c wrote: »

Hold them to account by all means, but in this case you and others seem to be holding them to a higher standard than the people you actually vote for.

Mary Lou left a NPHET briefing early, did she or her party explain why? Everyone bar the PBP disagreed with the level 5 recommendation 2 weeks ago, yet we don't see the same venom directed at them from some posters.

She had personal reasons for leaving I believe, its none of my or your business what these reasons were.

I disagreed with SFs stance on level 5 and have no problem saying they were wrong.

It's the fact no matter what FF/FG and the Greens do, they get defended on here that they are doing the correct thing and if they have no answer they shout Sinn Féin

dundalkfc10 · 22-10-2020 11:12am

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Good man, and good luck in the game BTW.

I think we will need more than luck

The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 2)

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