2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Obama built the cages but he didn't separate children so haphazardly that they still don't know who these children are and have been charging the victims money to perform the required DNA tests to reunite them with their children. Trump admin has even illegally detained American citizens in these facilities for weeks at a time. Illegal detention of Americans is a multi-administration issue; the awful thing here is Trump not only seems patently aware its happening but he and his administration have been signaling active encouragement of these abuses, because they think the signal itself will deter illegal immigration. That includes encouraging the squalid conditions, refusal to provide basic hygiene products, etc.

MAVNI program members have been deported - these are DACA children who grew up in our country, and joined our military to bleed and sweat to earn their citizenship. Of all people, they deserve a path to citizenship the most, not deportation.

Simply crossing the border being an illegal act is a cop-out, one long codified into law: if you are an honest to god refugee, in order to seek asylum in the US you in effect have to start the asylum process by first making an illegal crossing. You have to be on American soil to declare your intent to seek asylum. You cannot do so at a consulate or embassy. It has to be within our sovereign boundary.

Blaming the parents for being refugees is a ridiculous cop-out.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

This mediaite mob again.

They have been repeatedly exposed as conmen

They have been 'exposed' as no such thing.

These photos are primary sources. MediaITE did not send journalists out to take them. They are from Getty. Are Getty fraudsters now too? Is the photographer, Saul Loeb, a grifter for the Deep State?

You're making a joke of yourself with these ill thought through deflections.

Overheal wrote: »

Those who present at legal crossings are turned away, illegally

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/03/zero-tolerance-policy-jeff-sessions-kirstjen-nielsen/

Children who present at the border crossings are put in the kennels.

The administration makes it nigh impossible for asylum seekers to go about anything in a legal manner. They entrap them.

A fraction of those seeking asylum are let in so as to avoid the scorn of the full United Nations for flagrant human rights abuse.

Kennels :rolleyes:


Refuse to pay RTE and the subsequently fine, children are separated from their parents here.

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Kennels :rolleyes:


Refuse to pay RTE and the subsequently fine, children are separated from their parents here.

In the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, the epicenter of the family separation crisis, where hundreds of kids were kept in a cage-filled warehouse known as the “dog kennel,” at least 564 children — “44 percent of children detained during this time” — were detained for more than 72 hours. “This sector also held a child for 25 days, nearly three times longer than any other Southwest Border Patrol sector,” the OIG report found.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

"The Obama administration housed migrant children in temporary camps on military bases. And it pushed for long-term detention of migrant families while their asylum cases played out in immigration court, though federal courts blocked that policy"

That's just the tip of the iceberg.

Are you sure you want to as you put it yesterday "die on this hill"?

From the same article:

"But then, those tactics shifted. Under Obama, the federal government eventually spent billions of dollars in response to the migrant surge. For instance,the administration greatly expanded the network of shelters contracted by the Department of Health and Human Services that house unaccompanied children. These shelters house the children until they can be placed with a parent or other relative already living in the U.S."

Have something soft nearby to occasionally smack yourself in the forehead with

“We’ve done 55, it’ll be close to 60 million tests,” Trump said. “And there are those that say you can test too much. You do know that.”

“Who says that?” Swan asked.

“Read the manuals, read the books,” Trump shot back.

“Manuals? what manuals?” Swan asked. “What books?”

“We’re testing so much because we had the ability to test because we came up with testing,” Trump said. “Jonathan, we didn’t even have a test. when I took over, we didn’t even have a test. Now, in all fairness—”

“Why would you have a test?” Swan chimed in. “The virus didn’t exist.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-says-that-a-stunned-jonathan-swan-grills-trump-in-heated-back-and-forth-over-covid-19-testing/

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1290527925998100480?s=09

I mean, the man is psychotic...

Penn wrote: »

https://twitter.com/jason_kint/status/1290527925998100480?s=09

I mean, the man is psychotic...

I'm not sure he really knows who John Lewis is.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Really ?

Is Joe Rogan a qualified medical professional or a hack who will say anything for views?

Overheal wrote: »

Have something soft nearby to occasionally smack yourself in the forehead with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaaTZkqsaxY

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/who-says-that-a-stunned-jonathan-swan-grills-trump-in-heated-back-and-forth-over-covid-19-testing/

I mean, maybe I am over simplifying this, but basically what he's saying here is that if you don't test people, then you don't know if they have the virus or not so it essentially doesn't matter if they have it or not.

Is that right?

timsey tiger wrote: »

Smacks of double standards here, people were giving out about a poster who wouldn't read the guardian. I agree that Joe Rogan wouldn't be a trustworthy source, but you got to attack the message not the messager.

I have watched those video clips, what "message" is Rogan sending? What are his qualifications to make the claims he does?

Good oul Donnie there showing more empathy towards a child sex trafficer than a civil rights icon just cos he didn't go to his party

Hector Savage wrote: »

Just watch a video of Biden from 8/10 years ago and watch him lately.

There is also a Sky news video in there, and so what if Joe Rogan is talking about it, he is playing videos there, he isn't just making them up

Are either of those people, the sky news presenter or Joe Rogan, trained medical practitioners that have completed a diagnosis following a series of test as would be normal procedure in these situations?

It's ok, I'll wait

Hector Savage wrote: »

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/opinion/trump-biden-presidential-debates-2020.html

No surprise they are trying to cancel the debates, it's a real shame, if they had picked Tulsi Gabbard or Andrew Yang I would have actually backed the democrats, and either of those 2 could take Trump on easily in a debate.

Poor Joe won't even know where he is ...

can you clarify who you think is trying to cancel the debates? Bear in mind that there are only two parties that can cancel the event. which of them is quoted in that article? which to my reading is more about the history of the debates than anything else.

Hector Savage wrote: »

Well now, I don't think he is academically smart, he is good at what he does though - interviewing people and getting the most out of his guests - this actually is an intelligence and skill in itself, it might not be 600 pts on leaving cert smart, but it is a sharpness for sure.
He has had Brian Cox, Neill DeGrasse Tyson, Steven Pinker, Roger Penrose, Jonathan Haidt - amongst many other smart scientists on - and they aren't stupid people, he might not have a clue about the subject but he can steer the interview to make it fascinating nonetheless.
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which of his skills involves medical diagnosis?

Hector Savage wrote: »

And saying I am an idiot because I like his podcast - shows your own f*cking ignorance.

I never said you were an idiot because you like his podcast. can you quote me where i said that?

Hector Savage wrote: »

deluded.


Yesterday I saw a guy lying on the side of the street, his 2 legs were broken and he was bleeding heavily, I think he was hit by a car, but I am no doctor and cannot tell if anything is wrong so I walked on, just not qualified to give an opinion.

Look at him in 2012 - sharp , on the ball, articulate ....

Now look at him in 2020 - @ohnonotgmail as a "dementia expert" yourself , what do you think ??

where did i claim to be a dementia expert. i said

I am much more qualified to talk about it than Joe Rogan.

Please stop putting words in my mouth in a pathetic attempt to be outraged.

Hector Savage wrote: »

deluded.


Yesterday I saw a guy lying on the side of the street, his 2 legs were broken and he was bleeding heavily, I think he was hit by a car, but I am no doctor and cannot tell if anything is wrong so I walked on, just not qualified to give an opinion.

Look at him in 2012 - sharp , on the ball, articulate ....

Now look at him in 2020 - @ohnonotgmail as a "dementia expert" yourself , what do you think ??


edit - oh sorry the source is "The political christian", I apologise, they must be just faked ....

They could have fallen from a height?

You're in no position to make an assertion in this simple hypothetical situation, or in assessing anything more complex like a dementia situation, because you are not a medical practitioner