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Gun attack in Sweden (Malmo)

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  • #52
    _oveless_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 135 ✭✭_oveless_


    there is no links between these incidents and immigration this is all just alt-right conspiracy theories.


  • #53
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    _oveless_ wrote: »
    there is no links between these incidents and immigration this is all just alt-right conspiracy theories.

    Right now there is no evidence to say it is immigrants and no evidence to say it isn't. Therefore anyone who says its immigrants is a far right conspiracy nut. Anyone who says it isn't is completely unquestionably correct.


  • #54
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    There have been something like a dozen bomb/grenade explosions in Sweden in the past year.
    A british child was killed a few months ago when a grenade was thrown into the room he was in.

    Pretty common place in Sweden nowadays.


  • #55
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    There have been something like a dozen bomb/grenade explosions in Sweden in the past year.
    A british child was killed a few months ago when a grenade was thrown into the room he was in.

    Pretty common place in Sweden nowadays.

    A grenade thrown by a Somali immigrant. There's another mall shooting in the states. No details yet though. We also have the presidential debate tonight. Sky news headline? 'Sky cycling team cleared of wrong doing'. Selective journalism at its best.


  • #56
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    A grenade thrown by a Somali immigrant.
    Ditto for the one in September.

    I revise my previous post.
    in the past 12 months there have been 23 grenade/bomb attacks in Sweden.

    Move along... nothing to see here!


  • #57
    TeaBagMania
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    Where are the Vikings


  • #58
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Nody wrote: »
    This report from the Swedish police force is the first, and only, reference to the 50 areas that should be used. The first summary sentence is:
    Then we can skip down to 3.4.4 which translates as (this is google translated so not 100% accurate translation as a side note):
    Which goes into the above definition used and is listed in 3.5.3:
    This is all from the original report which the rest of the articles are based on; that is the definition used in the report that defined the areas. Hence the 55 areas are not no go zones; they are defined as areas where the local police had at the time difficulty to execute their job but they also state they can foot patrol in the majority of said areas without risk of being attacked.

    So from what I can see rather than being presented as a definition of these areas it is more of a comment on how the police is exercising its duty in there, in a subsection of the report, amongst a number of others comments.

    If I Google Translate the introduction of the report, I get at some point:
    Development in the regions has led to difficulties in investigating crimes. Police have also in other respects, difficult to work in these areas, including due to the environment reacts to the police at intervention or by attacking police vehicles.
    Police difficulty in curbing the problems mentioned could be a contributing factor to the public in several cases, understands that it is the criminals who control the areas of. Such a view may be contested Police's role as guarantor of security, and ultimately reduces the public's inclination to turn to the police. The situation in these areas is of concern and has in several cases meant that police have not been able to fulfill its task.

    Basically they are saying that if the police goes there it gets attacked, that there is a feel that criminals control the areas, and that there is a is a loss of trust in the public in terms of the police's ability to maintain order.

    In the conclusion (part 5) they also basically describe a situation whereby there is a parallel power structure controlled by criminals which partially replaces the state's policing and judicial powers.
    Overall, the situation can create a negative spiral that feeds fears and insecurity without concrete threats have spoken. In this way, set up an informal power structure in the local community, which ultimately benefits the criminal actors. In several areas experienced police officers that such a process occurred and that the public's fear of reprisals led to the ordinary justice system to some extent been eliminated. This is expected to lead to confidence in the state's monopoly on violence risk being undermined. The police therefore sees the situation in areas as serious.

    Not exactly very cheerful :-s (if you had told Swedes 15 or 30 years ago that in the medium term these characteristics would be used in an official police report to describe several areas of their country, they would probably have laughed at you ...).


  • #59
    Ilovemybricks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 276 ✭✭Ilovemybricks


    FriendComputer wrote: »
    Mob hit? No, no, that's obviously just a liberal cover story. Clearly, despite no evidence to show it, this is more immigrant violence!

    It probably is immigrant violence. Most of the crime committed in Malmo is by recent immigrants or their offspring.
    Around a third of the city's population are immigrants - double the national average, and nearly one in three is unemployed. Among young immigrants, the rate is nearly 40 percent - Somalis, Iraqis, Bosnians and Iranians squeezed into concrete tenement blocks.

    Gangs began here decades ago as motorcycle groups and were increasingly dominated by immigrants, thanks to an influx in the 1990s of refugees of Balkan wars and then immigrants from the Middle East, Africa and eastern Europe.

    According to statistics provided by Malmo authorities, 31 percent of the city’s 300, 000 population were born abroad and nearly 41 percent of the residents have a foreign background. The main countries from which immigration takes place are ones which have been recently plagued by conflicts – migrant groups from Iraq, Syria, the former Yugoslavia and Somalia are among them. The data also says that the Muslim population constitutes about 20 percent of Malmo’s population; this is one of the most significant percentages in Scandinavian cities.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-sweden-grenades-idUKKCN0QE09F20150809


  • #60
    Bob24
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    Looks like the situation in the area where the shooting happened is in line with what is described in the police report mentioned above: Witnesses 'afraid to talk' to police about Malmö shooting


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  • #61
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Put your cocks away and pull up your pants, unfortunately it wasn't a Muslim this time. Don't worry, with a bit of luck a Muslim will kill someone soon somewhere in the world and you can have your "terrorist" wánk then.


  • #62
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Put your cocks away and pull up your pants, unfortunately it wasn't a Muslim this time. Don't worry, with a bit of luck a Muslim will kill someone soon somewhere in the world and you can have your "terrorist" wánk then.

    As you seem to care about the religion of the attackers very much - do you have any source which back-up the statement that they weren't Muslim?

    There might be some around but I haven't' read anything saying either they were or weren't. What I am reading is that they fleed the scene and witnesses are reluctant to talk to the police - so based on that I don't know much about them.


  • #63
    Letree
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    Put your cocks away and pull up your pants, unfortunately it wasn't a Muslim this time. Don't worry, with a bit of luck a Muslim will kill someone soon somewhere in the world and you can have your "terrorist" wánk then.

    Yeah nothing to see here, move on, move on, there is no problem with muslim violence in Europe move along now please.


  • #64
    Butters1979
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    Put your cocks away and pull up your pants, unfortunately it wasn't a Muslim this time. Don't worry, with a bit of luck a Muslim will kill someone soon somewhere in the world and you can have your "terrorist" wánk then.

    The post of a 12 year old losing an argument. What's the matter? Is the rest of the world not falling in line with your point of view?


  • #65
    BoJack Horseman
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    Cienciano wrote: »
    Put your cocks away and pull up your pants

    No deal.


  • #66
    The_Kew_Tour
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    The thing is Ireland has roughly 100,000 more Foreign nationals then Sweden with half the population.

    At the Euros the Swedes had a chant about Polish, Africans and Muslims on metro on way to game in June,not a nice one either. The Swedes themselves seem to be having enough.


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  • #67
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,310 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    The post of a 12 year old losing an argument. What's the matter? Is the rest of the world not falling in line with your point of view?

    Why was this thread started? People were hoping it was Muslims. No one gives a shít about a shooting in Malmo. There's thousands of shooting all over the world every day. I couldn't give a **** about all the immigration politics, I just find it hilarious when threads like these are started and people are really hoping a certain group did it and it turns out they didn't. Must be like when you're a child and you don't get what you asked for at Christmas. So disappointing.


  • #68
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Put your cocks away and pull up your pants, unfortunately it wasn't a Muslim this time. Don't worry, with a bit of luck a Muslim will kill someone soon somewhere in the world and you can have your "terrorist" wánk then.

    Ick


  • #69
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Why was this thread started? People were hoping it was Muslims. No one gives a shít about a shooting in Malmo. There's thousands of shooting all over the world every day. I couldn't give a **** about all the immigration politics, I just find it hilarious when threads like these are started and people are really hoping a certain group did it and it turns out they didn't. Must be like when you're a child and you don't get what you asked for at Christmas. So disappointing.

    The thread was started because there is interest in it. Some people do care about shootings and bombs. Do you not care or do you not want it discussed?
    It sounds like you care a lot. Your post was bizarre. It sounds like your having a temper tantrum because people are discussing things on the Internet. Are you getting dragged out of your safe space? Seriously. Go back and read your post out loud in the mirror.

    You seem to know it wasn't an immigrant, great. Source?


  • #70
    Butters1979
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    Butters1979 wrote: »

    You seem to know it wasn't an immigrant, great. Source?

    That's what I ****ing thought.


  • #71
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,316 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    The thread was started because there is interest in it. Some people do care about shootings and bombs. Do you not care or do you not want it discussed?
    It sounds like you care a lot. Your post was bizarre. It sounds like your having a temper tantrum because people are discussing things on the Internet. Are you getting dragged out of your safe space? Seriously. Go back and read your post out loud in the mirror.

    You seem to know it wasn't an immigrant, great. Source?

    He's right though. I don't see any other threads about crime in Sweden. It was posted because it was thought it might be a terrorist attack. The comments on the first page include people inferring it was a terrorist attack.

    And trying to put people down with phrases like safe space.... I think you need to learn how to actually construct an argument rather than trying to dismiss one with vague ad hominems.


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  • #72
    Butters1979
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    Grayson wrote: »
    He's right though. I don't see any other threads about crime in Sweden. It was posted because it was thought it might be a terrorist attack. The comments on the first page include people inferring it was a terrorist attack.

    And trying to put people down with phrases like safe space.... I think you need to learn how to actually construct an argument rather than trying to dismiss one with vague ad hominems.

    First, why does there have to be other threads? Can no one be concerned about crime unless there is already a thread. There's always bean crime in swedan. This is another level. When there's a gun and bomb attack your defence is; well there wasn't other threads?


    No one said it was a terrorist attack. A few people said it was linked to immigrant gangs. They he came in and told us how it wasn't immigrants and therefore argument over. But didn't have any source. Basically he wanted it to be untrue so that's it.. Without any source. Then disappeared. I can construct an argument. I just don't see a counter argument. I just see another coward trying to distract from discussing anything.

    Unless you have some details? Do you have news for us? Do you know it wasn't immigrant gangs and are about to show us the truth? Here's the proof?

    No didn't ****ing think so.


  • #73
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Grayson wrote: »
    He's right though. I don't see any other threads about crime in Sweden. It was posted because it was thought it might be a terrorist attack. The comments on the first page include people inferring it was a terrorist attack.

    And trying to put people down with phrases like safe space.... I think you need to learn how to actually construct an argument rather than trying to dismiss one with vague ad hominems.

    As the OP, I will reply to this since yourself and Cienciano are attributing specific motives to me on an accusatory tone for having started the thread.

    Firstly he is completely off-track saying the thread was opened "hoping it was Muslims" - I was not hoping for anything and if you read my posts I haven't (as opposed to Cienciano and you to some extend) made any assumption about the attackers as there is no source giving details (I however notice that both of you have quietly ignored multiple questions asking you what your firm assumptions were based on). When you are saying "it was posted because it was thought it might be a terrorist attack" there is more truth in it (though it a a partial truth), I indeed thought it might be one. But can you clarify what the problem is with posting about an event thinking it might (amongst other scenarios) be a terrorist attack?

    Secondly, my other reason for posting this was that in the past two decades Sweden has quickly drifted from being a very peaceful country to having severe crime issues. Believe it or not, I (and it seems others) am genuinely interested in discussing this and again if you look at the thread this is what the discussion quickly moved towards - not to terrorism, which you seem to think was the sole purpose for starting this thread. There are multiple reasons why one might want to discuss this but a strong motivation for me is to understand what is wrong about the leading political ideology there and try to fight that same ideology in Ireland.

    Lastly, you don't see any other thread talking about crime in Sweden. I can assure you there are some even though they might not be dedicated to Sweden and thus not obvious at first glance when using the search functionality. But if there wasn't any, how would it be a reason enough not to start one? If there is no thread about on-line video game addiction in China and I start one, will I be asked what my motives are for posting about a topic never discussed before and accused of hoping someone had their life affected because no-one really cares about addictions in China and I must secretly have something against video games? (or maybe that no-one cares about video game addictions and I must secretly have something against China depending on what part of the topic the poster is uneasy about?)

    Clearly, what is making you unconformable is that some posters have linked Sweden's problems with immigration and with fairly new Muslim majority neighbourhood. You can argue against it and explain your arguments if you don't think it is a factor, but let me ask you one thing: given the Swedish police's acknowledged history of having covered-up the nationality/ethnic background of criminals in the past (which you will be aware of if as most posters here your are indeed interested discussing the topic the thread is moved towards), given the fact that the recently retired police chief of Malmo says (direct quote) "of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest", and given that fact that no information has been shared to date; would you think it is a completely wild idea to consider that the probability for the criminals in this case to be immigrants is far from insignificant? And regardless of this particular case, is it not valid to have a more general discussion on the topic?


  • #74
    Ilovemybricks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 276 ✭✭Ilovemybricks


    Bob24 wrote: »
    Clearly, what is making you unconformable is that some posters have linked Sweden's problems with immigration and with fairly new Muslim majority neighbourhood. You can argue against it and explain your arguments if you don't think it is a factor, but let me ask you one thing: given the Swedish police's acknowledged history of having covered-up the nationality/ethnic background of criminals in the past (which you will be aware of if as most posters here your are indeed interested discussing the topic the thread is moved towards), given the fact that the recently retired police chief of Malmo says (direct quote) "of the number of people arrested and dragged into police stations, the majority are of foreign origin to be honest", and given that fact that no information has been shared to date; would you think it is a completely wild idea to consider that the probability for the criminals in this case to be immigrants is far from insignificant? And regardless of this particular case, is it not valid to have a more general discussion on the topic?

    Why do the media try and cover up the nationality and background of the perpetrator? It just causes people to automatically presume that they have a foreign background!


  • #75
    Bob24
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    Ilovemybricks wrote: »

    Why do the media try and cover up the nationality and background of the perpetrator? It just causes people to automatically presume that they have a foreign background!

    Yeah I also find it stupid. They don't want to increase public concerns avout immigrants or look like they are austracising them, and it works for a while. But inevitably after a while people understand this "game", and all it is achieving is reducing trust in public institutions and the media and actually increasing suspicions about immigrants (as you explained).


  • #76
    JL2106
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    Most crimes in Sweden are carried out by Swedes, not immigrants ffs.


  • #77
    Billy86
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    The thing is Ireland has roughly 100,000 more Foreign nationals then Sweden with half the population.
    Ireland has over 1.5 million foreign nationals, as in over 33% of people in Ireland were not born here?


  • #78
    Ilovemybricks
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 276 ✭✭Ilovemybricks


    JL2106 wrote: »
    Most crimes in Sweden are carried out by Swedes, not immigrants ffs.

    Probably. But Sweden is still predominantly Swedish. It would be interesting to see the breakdown by nationality/population.


  • #79
    Fox_In_Socks
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    Any of ye been to Malmo?


  • #80
    Dr Jakub
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    Funny how the Swedish Police are not allowed to give racial descriptions of suspects and it's illegal to record the ethnicity of criminals in Sweden. Almost as if the authorities are trying to hide something.


  • #81
    JL2106
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 30 ✭JL2106


    Trying to hide what? Most criminals in Sweden are Swedish? Why are you trying to blame immigrants for all the crime?


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  • #82
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    JL2106 wrote: »
    Trying to hide what? Most criminals in Sweden are Swedish? Why are you trying to blame immigrants for all the crime?

    I doubt anyone blamed immigrants for all crime, including fraud, tax evasion, motoring offenses, assault etc. That would be the same as saying there are no Swedish criminals.


  • #83
    Widdershins
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    Dr Jakub wrote: »
    Funny how the Swedish Police are not allowed to give racial descriptions of suspects and it's illegal to record the ethnicity of criminals in Sweden. Almost as if the authorities are trying to hide something.

    VERY funny :/


  • #84
    Bob24
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    JL2106 wrote: »
    Why are you trying to blame immigrants for all the crime?

    Can you quote which post you are referring whereby someone blamed immigrants for all the crimes? Or are you asking that question to an imaginary poster?


  • #85
    JL2106
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    People are claiming that the Swedes are covering up crimes as they are committed by immigrants without producing any evidence of this.

    It is far right anti immigrant fearmongering.


  • #86
    Bob24
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    JL2106 wrote: »
    People are claiming that the Swedes are covering up crimes as they are committed by immigrants without producing any evidence of this.

    It is far right anti immigrant fearmongering.

    No offence, but if you genuinely think this you haven't read the whole thread and don't know much about crime/policing in Sweden.

    The Swedish police themselves have acknowledged that they had deliberately hidden the background of some criminals in the past as they were afraid the the political consequences it would have to disclose the information. I mentioned this and posted a link in this post (if you Google it you will find many other sources).


  • #87
    TeaBagMania
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    Fox_In_Socks wrote: »
    Any of ye been to Malmo?


    Yep, it s a nice place.
    What s criminal is the 50 Euro toll for crossing the bridge from Copenhagen to Malmo ONE WAY :angry:

    Was also genuinely surprised at the number of muslims in Copenhagen


  • #88
    Dr Jakub
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    Swedish police and media were exposed for covering up sex assaults committed by migrants at music festival in 2014. It was covered up so as not to lend support to the Sweden Democrats in that election year.

    Shows what political correctness will do to a country.


  • #89
    getzls
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    JL2106 wrote: »
    Most crimes in Sweden are carried out by Swedes, not immigrants ffs.
    I wonder why Sweden the 2nd highest rape figures in the World.

    As opposed to say 20 years ago before the influx of "Asian" imagaigants?


  • #90
    getzls
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    JL2106 wrote: »
    Trying to hide what? Most criminals in Sweden are Swedish? Why are you trying to blame immigrants for all the crime?
    Bit like most rapists in England are white and English.
    But most grooming gangs are Muslim.
    The truth had to be told


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  • #91
    Billy86
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    So what was this incident about in the end, anyways?


  • #92
    Bob24
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    So what was this incident about in the end, anyways?

    I'm checking google news regularly for this, and the latest still is that the attackers fled the scene and witnesses are unwilling to come forward and talk to the police.


  • #93
    Arsemageddon
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    So what was this incident about in the end, anyways?

    It was part of an ongoing gang war/feud in Malmo. Not much different to the gangland shootings we have in Ireland.


  • #94
    Arsemageddon
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    getzls wrote: »
    I wonder why Sweden the 2nd highest rape figures in the World.

    As opposed to say 20 years ago before the influx of "Asian" imagaigants?

    The legal definition of rape in Sweden was changed about ten years ago. In Ireland (and most of the rest of the world) for a rape to occur there must be penetration of the mouth, vagina or anus. In Swedish law an act of molestation i.e. unwanted touching/groping etc. is now classified as rape, though it is viewed by the criminal justice system as a much less serious offence. Such molestation offences are far more common than what we would classify as rape.

    Then there is also issues about the methodology used to record crime stats in Sweden, which is pretty unique and quite frankly a bit daft.

    The Swedish figures for reported offences appear very high, but they are considered to be very inaccurate.


  • #95
    getzls
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    Arsemageddon wrote: »
    getzls wrote: »
    I wonder why Sweden the 2nd highest rape figures in the World.

    As opposed to say 20 years ago before the influx of "Asian" imagaigants?



    The Swedish figures for reported offences appear very high, but they are considered to be very inaccurate.
    That may well be correct.
    Doesn't explain the surge in sexual attacks since the "invasion " of those pesky Asians.


  • #96
    Widdershins
    Registered Users Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    This, I did not know! I haven't read the whole article yet, but this is the part that caught my eye.A well meaning rule that could be more of a hinderance now?

    ''France has 66.6 million inhabitants, according to a report dated January 1, 2016 from the National Institute of Statistics (Insee). But census questionnaires prohibit any question about race, origin or religion. So in France, it is impossible to know how many Muslims, black people, white people, Catholics, Arabs, Jews, etc. live in the country.

    This prohibition is based on an old and once-healthy principle to avoid any discrimination in a country where "assimilation" is the rule. Assimilation, French-style, means that any foreigner who wants to live in the country has to copy the behavioral code of local population and marry a native quickly. This assimilation model worked perfectly for people of Spanish, Portuguese or Polish descent. But with Arabs and Muslims, it stopped.

    Now, however, despite all good intentions, the rule prohibiting collection of data that might lead to discrimination, has become a national security handicap.

    When any group of people, outspokenly acting on the basis of their religion or ethnicity, begin violently fighting the fundamentals of the society where you live, it becomes necessary -- in fact urgent -- to know what religions and ethnicities these are, and how many people they represent.

    The two studies in question, therefore, are not based on census data but on polls. The Institut Montaigne study, for example, writes that Muslims represent 5.6% of the metropolitan population of France, or exactly three million. However, Michèle Tribalat, a demographer specializing in immigration problems, wrote that the five million mark had been crossed in around 2014. The Pew Research Center estimated the Muslim population in France in mid-2010 to be 4.7 million. Other scholars, such as Azouz Begag, former Minister of Equality (he left the government in 2007) estimates the number of Muslims in France to be closer to 15 million.''

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9058/france-islamization


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  • #97
    JJEire
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    There's an article in today's BBC News titled - How Sweden became an exporter of jihad.

    An interesting read.

    "Sweden is a peaceful democratic state that has long been a safe haven for those fleeing conflict. Yet many young people whose families took refuge there are now turning their back on the country. More than 300 people have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq, making Sweden per capita one of the biggest exporters of jihadists in Europe."

    A lot of arrogance involved. Sweden (and other Western nations) view these people as brainwashed and/or low IQ. Thus all they need is a little more Swedish education and everything will be a-ok. Reality is some of these people view Sweden (and other Western nations) as inferior. They might argue: sure these Europeans are wealthier but that is because of manipulating our home region. And arguing: these Northern Europeans were hiding while we were being battle tested and now it is our time to take over their inferior culture.

    Some people will always find some explanations about this. The facts are that France, Germany, GB, Netherlands, Sweden had very different approaches (assimilationism / multicultural) and history (colonialism or not). And yet, they eventually all significantly failed in their goal.


  • #98
    Bob24
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,905 ✭✭✭✭Bob24


    Still no arrest or additional informations have been reported related to the shootings, seems like the Swedish police is struggling to get anyone to talk.


  • #99
    JJEire
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭JJEire


    Probably busy arresting the Swedes who protested that a group of recent arrivals gang raped a paralyzed woman and got let off due to the fact that they didn't use violence beforehand.

    Crazy country.


  • #100
    Letree
    Registered Users Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    JJEire wrote: »
    Probably busy arresting the Swedes who protested that a group of recent arrivals gang raped a paralyzed woman and got let off due to the fact that they didn't use violence beforehand.

    Crazy country.

    Where did that happen, is their no end to their depravity.


  • #101
    JJEire
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭JJEire


    An apartment in Visby. The six were released.


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