Govt to replace Direct Provision with protection system

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What do the asylum system changes have to do with that?

Supply and demand. Less supply with a high demand for housing pushes up prices for everyone.

The supply of housing is already a problem

kildare lad wrote: »

You don't see anything wrong with housing people within 4 months of arriving in Ireland . Do you not think every asylum seeker coming to europe is gonna head straight for here , it's lunacy

They're already put straight into hotels & dp centres anyway - the difference now is that the govt. will be providing the services instead of private companies being paid huge amounts with profit...

This isn't the floodgates moment that the reaction is claiming..

Doctor Roast wrote: »

Are we ever going to get politicians that think and act in the interests of Irish people?

What we have at the moment is project implementation managers for the EU and various other organisations

The great irony here is that somewhere along the way the elites decided to abandon the core of what democracy is about: serving the people. Now nation states are ran based on global interests and not the interests of the people, which you could argue is a betrayal of democracy. If some politician came along and ran purely on serving the Irish, they'd be called a "threat to democracy", a "radical", "dangerous".

The Hospitals were not fit to handle the current population even before the pandemic.
Young people who want to buy their own home to raise a family are finding it very difficult and expensive, impossible for many.
People are reaching middle age and are still living with their parents as they languish on the social housing list.
Our mental health services and services to aid families caring for special needs members is an embarrassment.
We will have to deal with the repercussions of the global pandemic and shut down of the majority of our economy for years to come

We do not have the money to provide for the rest of the worlds people, unless we severely deprive our own people.

RandRuns wrote: »

These houses are being provided by AHB's. Currently, the vast majority of social and affordable housing is being provided by those same AHB's. They have limited bandwidth, due to staffing, finances, and, most of all, land and builders. This programme will take up most if not all of their resources, therefore little or no social or affordable houses will be built.

The enormous funding & resources currently spent on the provision of privately provided asylum related services will surely be diverted no??

There's plenty of land in this country, we're one of the lowest densely populated countries around.

kildare lad wrote: »

Populated by the densest politicians around

Your fact based arguments amaze me.

WrenBoy wrote: »

The Hospitals were not fit to handle the current population even before the pandemic.
Young people who want to buy their own home to raise a family are finding it very difficult and expensive, impossible for many.
People are reaching middle age and are still living with their parents as they languish on the social housing list.
Our mental health services and services to aid families caring for special needs members is an embarrassment.
We will have to deal with the repercussions of the global pandemic and shut down of the majority of our economy for years to come

We do not have the money to provide for the rest of the worlds people, unless we severely deprive our own people.

What does any of this have to do with changing the asylum system from private to public?

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

What does any of this have to do with changing the asylum system from private to public?

Government money being spent on building houses and providing for non-citizens will not benefit the citizens currently here and struggling. The DP centre issue needs to be solved but this seems masochistic, you cannot have a generous welfare state with weak immigration policies. Wont work.

WrenBoy wrote: »

Government money being spent on building houses and providing for non-citizens will not benefit the citizens currently here and struggling. The DP centre issue needs to be solved but this seems masochistic, you cannot have a generous welfare state with weak immigration policies. Wont work.

Might benefit the guys paid to build them no? rather than the money going to the rent of a hotel room for years/decades...

RandRuns wrote: »

There is a limit to how many houses can be built every year. This is limited by the available skilled workforce, the serviced and suitable land available (yes we've a low density population, but you can't build houses in Offaly bogs, Clare floodplains, or Kerry mountains), the capacity of our services (try getting a water or sewage connection anywhere outside of the cities right now), the capacity of the AHB's to oversee the work, and, despite what you seem to think is a magical forest of money trees, the finance.

We can build a certain number of houses each year. Somebody has to do without.

Do you not think the money currently spent on DP is large, and very wasteful? - its going to become available for the building of assets, rather than the renting of other peoples assets.

(i know many would like to see it entirely abolished, but this IS a positive step compared to how our public money is being spent right now)

suicide_circus wrote: »

Big win for our enormous and flourishing NGO industry

big loss for private hoteliers, and mosney

ELM327 wrote: »

Because the free "foreva house" brigade now have additional competition.
Jacintha from Dublin will now have to compete with Hassan the economic migrant.

Very disengenuous to pretend to care about Jacintha in the first place, you don't want either of them to 'get' a house, so don't be pretending you give a care about them in order to throw more mud at the darkies.

RandRuns wrote: »

You are gone off on a tangent. My point, based on expertise and experience within the construction and social housing fields, is this can't be done without seriously affecting the provision of social and affordable housing.

I made no comment on money spent on DP, as it has no bearing on this fact.

Your point was that it will cost more, i told you there will be a lot more money available - and now you say that's irrelevant and on a different tangent?

I disagree....

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

your solution is "stick them in hotels for enormous rates" instead so..

Process them and deport them if their asylum claim is not genuine. There would be no need for direct provision if we actually deported those whose claims don’t meet the criteria. Instead we let them appeal and appeal each refusal, then lie to the media and claim that they’re in direct provision for years waiting on a decision.

This was some populist nonsense pushed at the last election. I'm sure the majority of people are against providing such generous accommodation, but of course there appeared to be some majority in favour of this, when there is clearly was not. This was pushed by Sinn Fein, PBP and other left parties, maybe the Greens as well. I wonder how their actual voters were in favour of this, probably some do gooder Greens were. Of course it will be the squeezed middle who will probably end up paying for all this. Like why bother working and getting a mortgage anymore. It will also open the floodgates, just wait and watch.