The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Haha the last few pages gave me a laugh

isnt that between you and "special branch" although like i said you are some one who falls very much within their remit

......that's not how taxation works.

If the rate of tax is your hypothetical 46% at above €100,000, your Pharma MD on exactly €100,000 will be paying precisely the exact same amount of tax as before. The 46% rate would only kick in on earnings above €100,000. After tax, PRSI and USC, this person would take home ~€62,000 just like they do right now.

If he gets a pay rise to €120,000, he would be paying €1200 more tax than he would've been under the current tax regime. Currently he would take home ~€71,500 after this pay increase, under the hypothetical rates above, he'd be taking home ~€70,200.

While I think the current 40% tax barrier kicks in far too early, I would support a higher tax bracket for very high earners but I wouldn't be proposing it at anywhere near €100,000.

Your, 'you want and expect commensurate take home pay' argument only makes sense as an argument for the abolition of taxation altogether (which I'm sure you'd agree is foolish), or is there some sort of arbitrary cut off where people are allowed to expect pay commensurate with their experience, expertise, skill and responsibility? What about people who are very high earners who DON'T have huge responsibility? Should we have a different tax bracket for them?

All in all, I don't agree with the policy, but with your hyperbolic hysterics and poor grasp of numbers, you'd be in with a shout as SF Minister for Finance.

You're completely out in your understanding of how tax brackets work, that's the problem.

A proposed taxation of x% above €100,000 makes zero difference to someone who gets paid exactly €100,000. Whatever way you try and spin it, it demonstrates your total lack of understanding of the topic when you pick someone earning exactly €100,000 to demonstrate the impact of a tax rate which only kicks in on earnings above €100,000. To make it very clear; the Managing Director in your example earning €100,000 will take home ~€62,000. If SF create a 3rd tax bracket of 46% at €100,000, the Managing Director in your example will take home the exact same ~€62,000. If SF created a 3rd tax bracket of 80% at €100,000, the managing director in your example will STILL take home the exact same ~€62,000.

Most of the people I know earning that sort of money lean much harder on the experience and expertise side of things than the responsibility side. Most have zero management responsibilities whatsoever. I know multiple people who earn significantly less than I do who have more experience, expertise and responsibility but in a field that doesn't compensate as well as my own. You're caught up in the BS American mentality that hard work and income are directly and solely correlated.

My mathematical, 'predictions' aren't predictions at all, they're basic calculations of take home pay at our current taxation rates versus take home pay at the 46% rate that YOU hypothesised. I applied a 6% tax increase on income above €100,000 because that was the hypothetical increase you proposed for your moan. If you can't follow that, perhaps you're not quite the expert on the topic you seem to think you are?

To be clear, I think the SF policy is b*llocks and I'll drag a rusty razor blade across my balls before I'll vote for them, but at least make sure you understand the thing before you try and criticise it.

A public servant on 100k would probably take home around 56k due to the effects of the extra superannuation charges paid by public servants, so a private sector employee would take home around 60-65k. Too little for the amount of effort involved, especially as neither qualify for medical cards and subsidised housing.

Still so quite here since SF erased all their records.

I would say bizzare but it’s not.

Agreed, the rise of the TUV is concerning. Nevertheless, any signs of unhappiness and loss of support for the two big parties can only be good for the future of Northern Ireland.

Sinn Fein attempting to gerrymander the SDLP out of a seat. Typical stuff from them, proclaim against gerrymandering while fully indulging in it for their own interest.

I see the SDLP are making an election issue out of the corrupt jobs for the boys approach of Sinn Fein in the North.

Paul Donnelly certainly has one of the best and brightest working as his parliamentary assistant.

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He’s also doubling down on it and throwing abuse at anyone on Twitter who points out just how mangled his numbers are.

Just in case where anyone was wondering the shinnerbots take their cues from

Someone should tell him to do a poll in each province - they could probably break 100%

I often pop in here for a quick pop shot at Marylou or Pearse.

Today in the Dail Marylou gave a wonderful speech in response to president Zelenski.

Now if only they could get their supporters in line with the refugees as most of the comments giving out about us accepting them are from SF supporters

Here is Martin v McDonald exchange wonderfully written by Miriam Lord. To me it does encapsulate SF’s problem.

They want the young vote. But want to tone down the Republican green in ‘the 26’. But want to play up their ‘Green’ environmental credentials to get some of that vote. But the only problem is this costs money. It could alienate SF’s traditional working class base.

A Green tax would not just be answered by taxing ‘the rich’ that the likes of PBP refer to as some get out clause.

SF used to do the same but need the middle class on board to get votes. So SF’s answer is yeah we are environmentally ‘Green’. But not yet. Like what SF claim the Unionists do ‘Kicking the can down the road’.

The Irony is not lost on me that SF are doing exactly the same thing with environmental issues. The question is will the more savvy in the electorate see through it, or support it?

The ghost of Bobby Storey really hangs over Sinn Fein.

More of the "do what I say" on Covid protection rather than "do what I do" from Mary-Lou.

"Mary Lou McDonald attended an indoor Sinn Féin election rally maskless just days before advising that people on public transport and in enclosed areas “for any period of time” should wear a mask."

Or are we back to one rule for the North and a different one for the South. A party of partitionists.

Keep attaching Sinn Fein to the anti-green agenda. Write off the young vote. More of it, please.

Can see carbon taxes and the future of the next generations being a big topic at the next election. SF don't look good on those issues now.

So given that SF share your ideology and viewpoint how would you as SF solve the Green issue? It all well and good blaming others. But you know and I know in other to get the youth vote SF will have to eventually grasp the nettle and come up with some valid proposal. Even though it would mean SF being less dogmatic ideologically.

SF changed on going into the Dail, changed on the EU. Changed on Russia. Changed on the SCC. In order for SF to become a more middle ground party. And get the votes to lead in government. They will have to change tact on the environment IMO. So I ask again how can SF achieve that change? In your opinion.

You didn't answer the question and just went on another rant to yourself. Which seems to be your style. You never seem to say what SF can do or could do to change. Compromise. That is how parties get elected in the Dail and lead. Only rant about and blame everyone except SF.

It is clear to me that the environment is going to be a key issue for all parties. Because it is what many of the youth are keyed into. So in order to become more mainstream SF will have to come up with a plan. Or at least slightly change. They have done so on other issues I already listed to make the party more mainstream and electable. A slow normalisation of the party I would call it.

If SF plan to go into Senior Hurling. Lead in the Dail they require more change to be palatable to potential coalition partners. At the moment SF are following the FF 1930's manifesto promising the sun the moon and the stars. A slightly constitutional party 2.0.

Yeah, that poor old ordinary Roman Abramovich has been reduced to asking friends for a loan of the odd million or so.

The sanctions are targetting the rich as my sarcastic example shows.