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nolivesmatter · 19-01-2021 3:12pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you are criticising him because he wants everybody to have equal access to assistance. think what that says about you.

I think assistance should be based on who needs it the most. End of.

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 3:13pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I think assistance should be based on who needs it the most. End of.

so does biden. If you think otherwise you have not understood what he said, perhaps deliberately.

joe40 · 19-01-2021 3:13pm

I think Biden could be a great president, but he is inheriting a sh*t show.
The coronavirus virus is still going to cause massive problems even with a competent administration in the white house.

I going to defer to people with more knowledge of the US but it seems to me the race issues are not going to go away and how Biden deals with that will be important.
Will he have the ability to influence Policing for example at a local and state level. Obviously he won't be a disaster like Trump, but that is a very low bar.
I think the black community were instrumental in getting him elected I think the expectation is that there will be change for the better.
I hope expectations will be realistic.
A wave of unrealistic optimism could be damaging.

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2021 3:14pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

I think assistance should be based on who needs it the most. End of.

I take it you still haven't bothered to actually look at the literal video of the speech yet. It's 1:27 long, it's hardly an onerous task.

WrenBoy · 19-01-2021 3:17pm

mcmoustache wrote: »

That will likely be the response to those who excused, minimised and denied stuff for Trump. If there's any pearl-clutching about an unqualified lackey being appointed to a position or "acting" cabinet members, then yes, Trump supporters will rightly be called on their hypocrisy. That's just the normal social cost of accepting and defending everything that Trump did - you lose any credibility when criticising someone else for the same activity.

Yeah, I think Im being overly optimistic when I said I hoped people would judge Biden on his actions. Looks like people will defend/give cover to anything he does because they are "on the team"

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2021 3:19pm

joe40 wrote: »

I think Biden could be a great president, but he is inheriting a sh*t show.
The coronavirus virus is still going to cause massive problems even with a competent administration in the white house.

I going to defer to people with more knowledge of the US but it seems to me the race issues are not going to go away and how Biden deals with that will be important.
Will he have the ability to influence Policing for example at a local and state level. Obviously he won't be a disaster like Trump, but that is a very low bar.
I think the black community were instrumental in getting him elected I think the expectation is that there will be change for the better.
I hope expectations will be realistic.
A wave of unrealistic optimism could be damaging.

I think one of the key things that will come out of having a rational person in the White House is that we can move back from this concept of "what can the President do about __________" and actually remember that the President shouldn't actually be doing things unilaterally. The Executive Branch is about steering the country, not running it per se.

Biden's policies can and should be implemented now that both the Legislative and Executive Branches are controlled by the DNC, and there is a massive amount of legislative work that can be accomplished fairly quickly to help make things better. I wouldn't mind seeing Biden get rid of some Executive Orders right away, but I don't want to see him continue Trump's policy of trying to ram everything through by (mis-)using this power.

nolivesmatter · 19-01-2021 3:20pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so does biden. If you think otherwise you have not understood what he said, perhaps deliberately.

No. I didn't criticize his intention. I said the emphasis he placed on race is unnecessary.

To imply that I'm deliberately trying to twist what he said based on my post here is bad form on your part.

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 3:22pm

nolivesmatter wrote: »

No. I didn't criticize his intention. I said the emphasis he placed on race is unnecceary.

To imply that I'm deliberately trying to twist what he said based on my post here is bad form on your part.

Based on posting history any implication is entirely appropriate.

paw patrol · 19-01-2021 3:23pm

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Seems to be a selective quote from the below doing the rounds on alt-right sites.

https://twitter.com/Transition46/status/1348403213200990209?s=20

"Our focus will be on small businesses on Main Street, that aren't wealthy and well-connected, that are facing real economic hardships through no fault of their own."

So, he's not saying (as implied) that they will be prioritised over any other businesses, just that there will be equality. God forbid!

you aren't accurate, deliberately so I'd imagine.
Sure he is going to help small businesses BUT the priority will be those minority groups listed.
if you are white , back of the queue - you aren't as worthy.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 3:25pm

paw patrol wrote: »

you aren't accurate, deliberately so I'd imagine.
Sure he is going to help small businesses BUT the priority will be those minority groups listed.
if you are white , back of the queue - you aren't as [under-privileged]

FYP

It's entirely possible and frankly inevitable someone will file suit against the President's policy just as the muslim-ban was sued. However in the same manner, a speech by the President is not itself sufficient evidence to determine that a heretofore revealed policy is unduly discriminatory, and much like the muslim-ban could well survive litigation.

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 3:25pm

paw patrol wrote: »

you aren't accurate, deliberately so I'd imagine.
Sure he is going to help small businesses BUT the priority will be those minority groups listed.
if you are white , back of the queue - you aren't as worthy.

the priority will be that minority owned businesses will have the same opportunity for assistance as every other business. this is somehow controversial to you.

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2021 3:26pm

paw patrol wrote: »

you aren't accurate, deliberately so I'd imagine.
Sure he is going to help small businesses BUT the priority will be those minority groups listed.
if you are white , back of the queue - you aren't as worthy.

I mean unless you can explain how the ordinary meaning of the words spoken in the video suggests this in any way, go for it.

nolivesmatter · 19-01-2021 3:26pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Based on posting history any implication is entirely appropriate.

Then you haven't read my posts properly or at all most likely. In any case I think you're posting in bad faith. I'll leave the last word to you.

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2021 3:27pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the priority will be that minority owned businesses will have the same opportunity for assistance as every other business. this is somehow controversial to you.

I mean it's literally the sentence he spoke, so it's wild that they're attempting to claim it isn't.

Mitch Connor · 19-01-2021 3:32pm

paw patrol wrote: »

you aren't accurate, deliberately so I'd imagine.
Sure he is going to help small businesses BUT the priority will be those minority groups listed.
if you are white , back of the queue - you aren't as worthy.

because statistics show they don't need help in getting access to the assistance being offered.

the statistics show that minority owned business have recieved proportionally much less of the assistance on offer - so they are putting emphasis on making sure those minorities have as much access and ability to secure assistance as some (white) already have.

What you are arguing for, by arguing this, is that minorities should be rejected from assistance in greater numbers than white people.

If that isn't what you actually want, then you need to actually understand the point and the reason, and start again.

1800_Ladladlad · 19-01-2021 3:37pm

Identity politics in full swing for the Biden campaign

https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1351495311299117061

This is the one who removed her parents from their nursing home, who would then go on to fill the said nursing home with covid patients leading to several deaths.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 3:54pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Identity politics in full swing for the Biden campaign

https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1351495311299117061

This is the one who removed her parents from their nursing home, who would then go on to fill the said nursing home with covid patients leading to several deaths.

"Levine was accused of removing her own mother from a personal care home, after creating a policy whereby nursing homes throughout the Commonwealth would readmit residents testing positive for Coronavirus after they were declared healthy enough to leave the hospital. Levine has stated that personal care homes (as opposed to nursing homes) do not fall under the jurisdiction of her own agency." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine

Can you refute the above?

According to your own link, "She won confirmation by the Republican-majority Pennsylvania Senate and has emerged as the public face of the state's response to the coronavirus pandemic."

Are the Republican-majority in the Commonwealth guilty of the same identity politics, or just Joe Biden? Why? What is your evidence beside the mere fact of her being transgender (assuming that is the 'identity' you are taking umbrage with, and not that she is a woman, or white, or blonde)?

sabat · 19-01-2021 3:56pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Identity politics in full swing for the Biden campaign

https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1351495311299117061

This is the one who removed her parents from their nursing home, who would then go on to fill the said nursing home with covid patients leading to several deaths.

Looks like Danny DeVito dressed up for a skit.

19-01-2021 4:02pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Identity politics in full swing for the Biden campaign

https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1351495311299117061

This is the one who removed her parents from their nursing home, who would then go on to fill the said nursing home with covid patients leading to several deaths.

Have you considered that she might be qualified for the job

robinph · 19-01-2021 4:02pm

Carried over from the tail end of the Trump v Biden thread and discussion on changing of the constitution:

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

Have they already dealt with pronouns such as this throughout the constitution and agreed that "he" just means "person" or are we going to get a bunch of stupid arguments about if Harris is even allowed to be president because she's not a he in a couple of years?

Overheal · 19-01-2021 4:05pm

robinph wrote: »

Carried over from the tail end of the Trump v Biden thread and discussion on changing of the constitution:

Have they already dealt with pronouns such as this throughout the constitution and agreed that "he" just means "person" or are we going to get a bunch of stupid arguments about if Harris is even allowed to be president because she's not a he in a couple of years?

Oh count on it. :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 4:14pm

Overheal wrote: »

Oh count on it. :rolleyes:

interesting to see what the originalists on the SC make of it.

suicide_circus · 19-01-2021 4:20pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

He wants them to have equal access. What's the problem here?

What "access" is Joe going to give Black, Latino, Asian, Native American people to "business" that has been denied to them during his 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president?

RWCNT · 19-01-2021 4:21pm

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Identity politics in full swing for the Biden campaign

https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1351495311299117061

This is the one who removed her parents from their nursing home, who would then go on to fill the said nursing home with covid patients leading to several deaths.

Minorities having jobs!? Political correctness gone mad.

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 4:22pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

What "access" is Joe going to give Black, Latino, Asian, Native American people to "business" that has been denied to them during his 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president?

is your issue that Joe hasn't solved the problems with racism during his career or that he is trying to solve this particular problem?

suicide_circus · 19-01-2021 4:23pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is your issue that Joe hasn't solved the problems with racism during his career or that he is trying to solve this particular problem?

Neither but the idea that Joe is bringing fresh energy or perspectives to this or any other issue is laughable. He is the establishment.

ancapailldorcha · 19-01-2021 4:24pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

What "access" is Joe going to give Black, Latino, Asian, Native American people to "business" that has been denied to them during his 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president?

No idea. Why not either research it yourself or ask whoever pasted the Tweet?

FreudianSlippers · 19-01-2021 4:24pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

What "access" is Joe going to give Black, Latino, Asian, Native American people to "business" that has been denied to them during his 36 years in the Senate and 8 years as vice president?

Am I dreaming? Access to resources needed to reopen and rebuild. In other words, money.

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 4:24pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Neither but the idea that Joe is bringing fresh energy or perspectives to this or any other issue is laughable. He is the establishment.

so you don't think he should try? he is trying to address a very specific problem. should he just ignore it?

ancapailldorcha · 19-01-2021 4:25pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Neither but the idea that Joe is bringing fresh energy or perspectives to this or any other issue is laughable. He is the establishment.

No but he can hire people who can.

There are plenty worse things than being part of the establishment. That's the lesson in twice-impeached POTUS #45's disaster of a term.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 4:27pm

Sure Trump became the establishment when he was established as President.

It's been turned into a dirty word for the sake of politics, much like socialism.

suicide_circus · 19-01-2021 4:28pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so you don't think he should try? he is trying to address a very specific problem. should he just ignore it?

Of course he should try, i just dont know what the optimism i'm sensing is based on. New broom perhaps, well best of luck to him.

suicide_circus · 19-01-2021 4:30pm

Overheal wrote: »

Sure Trump became the establishment when he was established as President.

It's been turned into a dirty word for the sake of politics, much like socialism.

Trump is certainly of the establishment yes but not to the same degree as Biden with his 50 years in Washington leading to the Trump presidency and finally his own.

ancapailldorcha · 19-01-2021 4:33pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

Trump is certainly of the establishment yes but not to the same degree as Biden with his 50 years in Washington leading to the Trump presidency and finally his own.

I'd be inclined to view that as a positive. As I said, establishment is only a dirty word if we don't get to experience what an damage unqualified moron can wreak.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 4:37pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I'd be inclined to view that as a positive. As I said, establishment is only a dirty word if we don't get to experience what an damage unqualified moron can wreak.

Agree. He was in the Congress before Mitch was even a blip on the legislative radar: He joined the Senate in 1973, Mitch entered the DC scene as a Deputy AG in 1974 and didn't join Congress until 1985. He knows the games they play because he's been there and done that. Also why he made a fantastic VP for freshmen-senator Barrack Obama.

(also since nobody asked, the longest serving member of congress is Don Young(lol) (D-Alaska), who also joined Congress in 1973)

19-01-2021 4:42pm

Overheal wrote: »

Sure Trump became the establishment when he was established as President.

It's been turned into a dirty word for the sake of politics, much like socialism.

He was and is clearly an anti Establishment politician. The problem wasn't his rudeness or his sexism, or racism those were claims to enrage the masses; but that he didn't seem to be -- at the start -- as much a warmonger as the US Establishment would like. He drained no swamps but there war a fear throughout that he might have started to.

Except for his sabre rattling with Iran, he was clearly less likely to go to war. Given that the US is a military oligarchy, not unlike Imperial Rome, the real powers that be wanted rid.

ancapailldorcha · 19-01-2021 4:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He was and is clearly an anti Establishment politician. The problem wasn't his rudeness or his sexism, or racism those were claims to enrage the masses; but that he didn't seem to be -- at the start -- as much a warmonger as the US Establishment would like. He drained no swamps but there war a fear throughout that he might have started to.

Except for his sabre rattling with Iran, he was clearly less likely to go to war. Given that the US is a military oligarchy, not unlike Imperial Rome, the real powers that be wanted rid.

No, he isn't. His sexism, racism and xenophobia were perfectly mainstream and the GOP was all too willing to turn itself into the Trump cult hence their near unanimous refusal to hold him to account.

The war thing isn't really a trump card (pardon the pun) given his sabre rattling with Iran, the plethora of drone strikes and his presiding over hundreds of thousands of needless American deaths from covid because he wanted to peddle conspiracy theories and bleach-based remedies.

VinLieger · 19-01-2021 4:47pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

interesting to see what the originalists on the SC make of it.

We can all guess where the handmaid ACB will fall

Mitch Connor · 19-01-2021 4:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He was and is clearly an anti Establishment politician. The problem wasn't his rudeness or his sexism, or racism those were claims to enrage the masses; but that he didn't seem to be -- at the start -- as much a warmonger as the US Establishment would like. He drained no swamps but there war a fear throughout that he might have started to.

Except for his sabre rattling with Iran, he was clearly less likely to go to war. Given that the US is a military oligarchy, not unlike Imperial Rome, the real powers that be wanted rid.

I don't think it was or is clear at all.

He spun himself as much, the repubs believed it. But does his tax policies or treatment of wallstreet etc show him to be fighting for the little guy or helping the rich get richer?

He was elected to drain the swap, and did no such thing.

To say it is clear he is anti-establishment is a stretch, unless you simply mean that is what people voted him as, rather than what he is.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 4:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

He was and is clearly an anti Establishment politician. The problem wasn't his rudeness or his sexism, or racism those were claims to enrage the masses; but that he didn't seem to be -- at the start -- as much a warmonger as the US Establishment would like. He drained no swamps but there war a fear throughout that he might have started to.

Except for his sabre rattling with Iran, he was clearly less likely to go to war. Given that the US is a military oligarchy, not unlike Imperial Rome, the real powers that be wanted rid.

Over 400,000 Americans have died under his tenure and care, due to a pandemic he himself declared a 'war' and he a 'war time president.' We haven't lost that many Americans to a tragedy since the Civil War. He tried, in vain, several times to deploy the military in US Cities, and at our southern border. He was simply too busy waging wars at home and on television to give a toss about the rest of the world, and even at that he still has dropped more bombs than any other President save for FDR during WWII. Easily dropped more than Bush or Obama. https://www.2lt.com.au/trump-who-vowed-to-end-wars-has-dropped-more-bombs-than-bush-or-obama/

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 4:57pm

Overheal wrote: »

Over 400,000 Americans have died under his tenure and care, due to a pandemic he himself declared a 'war' and he a 'war time president.' We haven't lost that many Americans to a tragedy since the Civil War. He tried, in vain, several times to deploy the military in US Cities, and at our southern border. He was simply too busy waging wars at home and on television to give a toss about the rest of the world, and even at that he still has dropped more bombs than any other President save for FDR during WWII. Easily dropped more than Bush or Obama. https://www.2lt.com.au/trump-who-vowed-to-end-wars-has-dropped-more-bombs-than-bush-or-obama/

I think he is a day or two away from reaching the total number of US deaths in WW2. though of course that was over nearly 4 years not 1

paw patrol · 19-01-2021 5:01pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the priority will be that minority owned businesses will have the same opportunity for assistance as every other business. this is somehow controversial to you.

but that's not what he said.
granted he can hardly string a sentence together so he may have meant what you think he said but it not a sequel of "being john malkovich" called "being joe biden" so I don't really know.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 5:02pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I think he is a day or two away from reaching the total number of US deaths in WW2. though of court that was over nearly 4 years not 1

mea culpa I got my numbers fudged a bit. Most US casualties since WW2 indeed.

I think once the next administration gets in though and starts poking around the paperwork we will discover lo and behold that the Trump administration is in fact downplaying the real figures.

ohnonotgmail · 19-01-2021 5:07pm

paw patrol wrote: »

but that's not what he said.
granted he can hardly string a sentence together so he may have meant what you think he said but it not a sequel of "being john malkovich" called "being joe biden" so I don't really know.

he used very plain language. if you didn't understand it that is down to you.

Overheal · 19-01-2021 5:07pm

paw patrol wrote: »

but that's not what he said.
granted he can hardly string a sentence together so he may have meant what you think he said but it not a sequel of "being john malkovich" called "being joe biden" so I don't really know.

Every time I hear someone allege he "can't string a sentence together" I just think 'this someone can't string together an actual argument.'

ancapailldorcha · 19-01-2021 5:14pm

Overheal wrote: »

Every time I hear someone allege he "can't string a sentence together" I just think 'this someone can't string together an actual argument.'

I just think of this:

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible.”

-Donald Trump

Seanergy · 19-01-2021 5:20pm

A new scientific committee is already earwigging Biden on Covid-19 being airborne. If he announces airborne, the 95/F2 grab will be on and the developing countries can kiss their supply goodbye.

Nervous about his hundred days of masking.

ancapailldorcha · 19-01-2021 5:24pm

Seanergy wrote: »

A new scientific committee is already earwigging Biden on Covid-19 being airborne. If he announces airborne, the 95/F2 grab will be on and the developing countries can kiss their supply goodbye.

Nervous about his hundred days of masking.

Some serious grasping here. Evidence?

Overheal · 19-01-2021 5:27pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Some serious grasping here. Evidence?

Perhaps by scientific committee he means the CDC, and by whispering he means public disclosure, and by new means from september/october?

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/05/cdc-coronavirus-airborne-warning-426490

BattleCorp · 19-01-2021 5:30pm

COVID-19 can be airborne, in certain circumstances. But not normally.

https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/how-coronavirus-is-spread.html

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