TAMS II

tellmeabit · 08-01-2020 4:04pm

What does one need to submit under this? Have access to agfood and hope to get one in just before closing,calving gate leg hoist what ever I need to get up to 2000. Would like to have calving gate for start of March

Parishlad · 08-01-2020 4:31pm

tellmeabit wrote: »

What does one need to submit under this? Have access to agfood and hope to get one in just before closing,calving gate leg hoist what ever I need to get up to 2000. Would like to have calving gate for start of March

Once you have access to agfood just go to TAMS II - Animal Welfare Safety and Nutrient Storage (from list of Applications on right hand side of page).
Once in there, click on Applications and on t he following page you should see a New Scheme Application button. Click on that and away you go.

mr.stonewall · 08-01-2020 5:04pm

tellmeabit wrote: »

What does one need to submit under this? Have access to agfood and hope to get one in just before closing,calving gate leg hoist what ever I need to get up to 2000. Would like to have calving gate for start of March

All done on agfood. Applied for a scales, calving gate and head scoop there last week. You need a farmyard plan for the calving gate to show the shed it is going in. The other items need no supporting documentation with the application. The current tranche is closing in the next day or so and after that it is may. So apply promptly. I did my application under the young farmers section so it's 60% grant had to submit some of the farming qualitions aswell. Just took pictures of the farmyard plan and showed the shed and pictures of the qualifications and uploaded them. It's very easy to do.
Pity the calf scheme was not online

tellmeabit · 08-01-2020 8:14pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

All done on agfood. Applied for a scales, calving gate and head scoop there last week. You need a farmyard plan for the calving gate to show the shed it is going in. The other items need no supporting documentation with the application. The current tranche is closing in the next day or so and after that it is may. So apply promptly. I did my application under the young farmers section so it's 60% grant had to submit some of the farming qualitions aswell. Just took pictures of the farmyard plan and showed the shed and pictures of the qualifications and uploaded them. It's very easy to do.
Pity the calf scheme was not online

Is farm yard plan a sketch of yard, no measurements , or the shed drawing? How much that come to?

Hard Knocks · 08-01-2020 8:56pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

All done on agfood. Applied for a scales, calving gate and head scoop there last week. You need a farmyard plan for the calving gate to show the shed it is going in. The other items need no supporting documentation with the application. The current tranche is closing in the next day or so and after that it is may. So apply promptly. I did my application under the young farmers section so it's 60% grant had to submit some of the farming qualitions aswell. Just took pictures of the farmyard plan and showed the shed and pictures of the qualifications and uploaded them. It's very easy to do.
Pity the calf scheme was not online

For the 60% do you have to be farming less that 8 years? Or is it open to all qualified u40?

mr.stonewall · 08-01-2020 10:11pm

tellmeabit wrote: »

Is farm yard plan a sketch of yard, no measurements , or the shed drawing? How much that come to?

Rough sketch of the yard labelled. Went to Google maps printed off the yard,tape to the window and cogged the outline of the main features on a sheet overlayed to it. The 3 items were just over the the €2k limit. The calving gate cost is worked of the length of it in a formula from the reference costs

mr.stonewall · 08-01-2020 10:19pm

Hard Knocks wrote: »

For the 60% do you have to be farming less that 8 years? Or is it open to all qualified u40?

Less than 41 and application within the first 5 years of farming

whelan2 · 08-01-2020 10:27pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Less than 41 and application within the first 5 years of farming

There is a weighting system. If you are a young farmer it's in your favour. In anc also helps. First application in tams is a plus too and then the value of your application. In the case of over subscription these come into play

kevthegaff · 08-01-2020 10:35pm

Is it worth applying for a silage slab, do u need planning permission

mr.stonewall · 08-01-2020 10:48pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Less than 41 and application within the first 5 years of farming

That's for the 60%. The 40% is open to all

mr.stonewall · 08-01-2020 10:53pm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is it worth applying for a silage slab, do u need planning permission

You would need planning permission, but for a silage slab it would be very easy to do. Get the planning maps, have the farmyard plan, drawing of the slab and a few sections and showing where the effluent would be going. Should be easy to do. Grant spec of a slab without walls is nearly the same as what you would do if you were not going for the grant.

Tileman · 08-01-2020 11:15pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Less than 41 and application within the first 5 years of farming

Is this changed. Thought that young farmer was under 40?

mr.stonewall · 08-01-2020 11:56pm

Tileman wrote: »

Is this changed. Thought that young farmer was under 40?

Looked it up and it's before your 41st birthday look at page 9of below
https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/farmbuildings/tamsiisupportdocs/youngfarmercapitalinvestmentscheme/ATAMSIIYFCISTermsandConditionsRevised101019.doc

Cavanjack · 08-01-2020 11:57pm

Yeah you can start on the year that you are 40 but you can only be farming 5 years.

K.G. · 09-01-2020 12:08am

kevthegaff wrote: »

Is it worth applying for a silage slab, do u need planning permission

i was looking into it and you would probaly get the 40 % cost alright but it would be for next years silage rather than this years silage

Hard Knocks · 09-01-2020 8:30am

mr.stonewall wrote: »

That's for the 60%. The 40% is open to all

20% is allot, when you’re still in your 30’s

ABitofsense · 09-01-2020 12:17pm

I need to build a new crush & pretty much re-jig the current yard. Is it worth doing this through TAMS for the 40%? Or do it myself cheaper?

Grueller · 09-01-2020 10:26pm

Filling out a last minute Tams application for dairy equipment here. I don't know what to fill into the investment identifier box on the proposed investment. Where would I find these for a milking parlour, auto washer, feeders and plate cooler? Thanks in advance.

Parishlad · 10-01-2020 12:04pm

Grueller wrote: »

Filling out a last minute Tams application for dairy equipment here. I don't know what to fill into the investment identifier box on the proposed investment. Where would I find these for a milking parlour, auto washer, feeders and plate cooler? Thanks in advance.

The only Identifier box I can see on the application form (under proposed investment) relates back to your farmyard drawing. Taken from TAMS User Manual "Enter Identifier as marked on Farmyard Layout Plan showing the position of proposed fixed investment, this is a required field (max 3 characters of numbers or letters)"

Edited to say that I'm not sure what is required for dairy equipment in terms of drawings etc.

Grueller · 10-01-2020 1:46pm

One more question.
There is a box to tick for on farm enterprise. I am converting to "milk" from "other grazing animals". I can only tick one. Should I tick milk or should I tick other grazing animals?

Parishlad · 10-01-2020 3:01pm

Grueller wrote: »

One more question.
There is a box to tick for on farm enterprise. I am converting to "milk" from "other grazing animals". I can only tick one. Should I tick milk or should I tick other grazing animals?

Only a guess but I would tick the Milk option. It's what the Business enterprise will be once you get all the gear.
You can 'validate' your application as you go along and you will be told what you have omitted in terms of boxes ticked/not ticked and also documents that you need to upload. It may well have a validation check for those applying for dairy equipment that the enterprise should be 'milk'.

mr.stonewall · 10-01-2020 3:37pm

Just wondering how long does it take on average from close of tranche to approval

Parishlad · 10-01-2020 4:05pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Just wondering how long does it take on average from close of tranche to approval

It can depend on what you are applying for I'd say. I submitted an application in April last year and got approval in November. That was for a shed though and I had to reply to 1 or 2 queries along the way.

mr.stonewall · 10-01-2020 4:09pm

Parishlad wrote: »

It can depend on what you are applying for I'd say. I submitted an application in April last year and got approval in November. That was for a shed though and I had to reply to 1 or 2 queries along the way.

Just a small few items, headscoop, scales and a calving gate. Hopefully it will be quick

Parishlad · 10-01-2020 4:19pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

Just a small few items, headscoop, scales and a calving gate. Hopefully it will be quick

Yeah, hopefully. Maybe someone else here may have applied for similar items and might be able to give a better idea of how long approval took.

Aravo · 10-01-2020 9:07pm

A visit to a local office of Agri AES might get things moving. I recall a few years back, getting nowhere with telephone calls as always ringing out. A personal visit did the trick. Got the approval to start things a few days later.

mickey1985 · 16-01-2020 12:50pm

Lads just saw you need to advise the department via online 5 working days before final fix of steel and pouring concrete. I never did this. Anyone have issues with this before?

zetor 4911 · 16-01-2020 6:49pm

mickey1985 wrote: »

Lads just saw you need to advise the department via online 5 working days before final fix of steel and pouring concrete. I never did this. Anyone have issues with this before?

Get on to your adviser and he/she might be able to do something for you.

Tyson Lannister · 19-01-2020 6:35pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

You would need planning permission, but for a silage slab it would be very easy to do. Get the planning maps, have the farmyard plan, drawing of the slab and a few sections and showing where the effluent would be going. Should be easy to do. Grant spec of a slab without walls is nearly the same as what you would do if you were not going for the grant.

It's not always as easy as that. I do this kind of work. In Cork or Limerick it could turn into a load of work before you know whats happening (site sections, sightlines, existing buildings without planning permission, etc.)

adne · 19-01-2020 10:11pm

Is planning permission needed for the meal bin on tams2

Cavanjack · 19-01-2020 10:40pm

adne wrote: »

Is planning permission needed for the meal bin on tams2

No

adne · 20-01-2020 6:04pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

No

Just priced 6 tonne. Seem to have been cheaper pre grant without a grant.... madness

Cavanjack · 20-01-2020 7:00pm

adne wrote: »

Just priced 6 tonne. Seem to have been cheaper pre grant without a grant.... madness

Only difference I found was the extra cost for painting the bin.

adne · 20-01-2020 10:44pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Only difference I found was the extra cost for painting the bin.

Roughly 2100 for 6 ton after grant and vat claimed

Cavanjack · 20-01-2020 11:05pm

adne wrote: »

Roughly 2100 for 6 ton after grant and vat claimed

Got a 16 tonne recently. Getting a 60% grant. Expect it to cost me no more than €2200 after vat and grant claimed.

adne · 20-01-2020 11:15pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Got a 16 tonne recently. Getting a 60% grant. Expect it to cost me no more than €2200 after vat and grant claimed.

Who'd you deal with

Cavanjack · 20-01-2020 11:37pm

adne wrote: »

Who'd you deal with

Vmac

MfMan · 11-06-2020 10:33am

Anybody apply recently for a TAMS grant? I can access Agfood, but when clicking on the TAMS areas, I'm informed I am 'not eligible to apply for this grant'. Anyone else check this out? The next tranche of these are open as far as I know.

Bazzer007 · 12-08-2020 9:53am

My dairy equipment application has made to the local office for checking. Is this the last hurdle before you receive a letter of offer? Also, if successful, are you better off not to mention to any fitters/agents that your application was approved to keep the cost down until a price is agreed? Cheers,

mr.stonewall · 12-08-2020 10:43am

Bazzer007 wrote: »

My dairy equipment application has made to the local office for checking. Is this the last hurdle before you receive a letter of offer? Also, if successful, are you better off not to mention to any fitters/agents that your application was approved to keep the cost down until a price is agreed? Cheers,

100% They will cream off the grant money. No need for them to know it's a grant job at all, but make sure the job is done to grant spec. Have a good look at the spec documents on the dept website

Tileman · 12-08-2020 1:33pm

mr.stonewall wrote: »

100% They will cream off the grant money. No need for them to know it's a grant job at all, but make sure the job is done to grant spec. Have a good look at the spec documents on the dept website

I lodged a fencing application in feb. It’s still at local office under RASS since mid may. Very frustrating

Aravo · 12-08-2020 2:23pm

Tileman wrote: »

I lodged a fencing application in feb. It’s still at local office under RASS since mid may. Very frustrating

Ring your local AES office. There contact details should be on the approval letter.

Tileman · 12-08-2020 7:05pm

Aravo wrote: »

Ring your local AES office. There contact details should be on the approval letter.

I didn’t get an approval letter yet. Sur it’s still at RASS stage. Must try give them a call though

Aravo · 12-08-2020 10:26pm

Tileman wrote: »

I didn’t get an approval letter yet. Sur it’s still at RASS stage. Must try give them a call though

I had a previous Tams application waiting for approval for ages. It was pre covid so I called into office and got speaking with someone and the following week got the approval letter. If you do telephone them make sure to get the name of who you are dealing with.

Tileman · 13-08-2020 10:09am

Aravo wrote: »

I had a previous Tams application waiting for approval for ages. It was pre covid so I called into office and got speaking with someone and the following week got the approval letter. If you do telephone them make sure to get the name of who you are dealing with.

Just see on line that my application was not selected. Well feck it anyway. Don’t know why I wasn’t selected. Qualify as young farmer.
May wait for the letter .
I had fencing it at the bench mark rate €5.84 for sheep wire and one strand on barb wire. Surely there is no point in going below the rate is there as that’s what frs etc are charging.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 13-08-2020 10:12am

Tileman wrote: »

Just see on line that my application was not selected. Well feck it anyway. Don’t know why I wasn’t selected. Qualify as young farmer.
May wait for the letter .
I had fencing it at the bench mark rate €5.84 for sheep wire and one strand on barb wire. Surely there is no point in going below the rate is there as that’s what frs etc are charging.

The further below the rate you go, the better chance you have of qualifying, iirc.

Cavanjack · 13-08-2020 10:21am

I heard it’s getting very hard to get an application approved. The money is running out it seems.

FarmerDougal · 13-08-2020 12:19pm

Tileman wrote: »

Just see on line that my application was not selected. Well feck it anyway. Don’t know why I wasn’t selected. Qualify as young farmer.
May wait for the letter .
I had fencing it at the bench mark rate €5.84 for sheep wire and one strand on barb wire. Surely there is no point in going below the rate is there as that’s what frs etc are charging.

5.34 is the max

13-08-2020 12:54pm

Did I read correctly that TAMS is finished this year? I had assumed it was an ongoing thing? I’m eligible for the 60% grant and was planning to build a shed and some roadways in the next few years.

Is there talk of the next set of grants after? Madness really how the 60% grant is still being heavily promoted even to those only doing the green cert now yet won’t be available when they finish.

50HX · 13-08-2020 8:44pm

Jabari Easy Windfall wrote: »

Did I read correctly that TAMS is finished this year? I had assumed it was an ongoing thing? I’m eligible for the 60% grant and was planning to build a shed and some roadways in the next few years.

Is there talk of the next set of grants after? Madness really how the 60% grant is still being heavily promoted even to those only doing the green cert now yet won’t be available when they finish.

Get planning first and get your application in then asap.....thats circa 6 months before approval

You've 12 months then to complete

TAMS II

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