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Direct Provision to be Abolished

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  • #252
    Bonniedog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,665 ✭✭✭Bonniedog


    Geuze wrote: »
    Where did you get the 60% figure from?

    I thought it is much higher?

    Are there any actually genuine AS?

    The 60%+ is from the DOJ's own figures regarding alleged places of origin of first applicants.

    Purely on basis they are from states of safe return they should indeed be on the next flight home, or to wherever they flew or ferried from.

    Yes, the overall figure of bogus applicants is much higher as we have seen from the number of "Syrians" who are from Pakistan and elsewhere. Whole thing is a bit of a cloud as once an appeal is allowed then the legal gravy train steams ahead and the number of illegals who are sent back is tiny.

    Rest continue to live here either under appeal or just disappear into what is a whole other world in which the Irish state only makes contact where its denizens are caught doing something. The trafficking of sex slaves is a prime example, as is the use of slaves in grow houses.


  • #253
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Kivaro wrote: »
    The Tanaiste was on RTE Radio 1 Morning Ireland early this morning to talk about the current Covid situation. The presenter told him near the end that she would like to ask him many other Covid-related questions but was running out of time, and for her last question she asked why Direct Provisions were not shut down.

    Varadkar responded that "it was a lot easier said than done". He explained that the country is going through a major housing shortage and it would be difficult to find 7,000 or so new homes for those currently in Direct Provision. He also said that there is uncertainty with the numbers of asylum seekers coming into the country every year, so that is also very difficult to plan for.

    The RTE presenter's response was ....................... nothing.
    The liberal left and liberal elite groups in this country want Direct Provision gone, but have no practical solutions for its replacement. How fair is it for a Pakistani or African to fly into Dublin from Berlin, Paris, or London and immediately receive free lone accommodation as soon as they declare themselves an asylum seeker? Do we set aside 2,000 - 3,000 homes every year (or a good deal more) for asylum seekers yet to arrive on our shores?

    I wonder if RTE presenters are paid a bounty when they mention the words Direct Provision on air, as it seems that is their primary mission objective these days.

    You have to remember that the morning Ireland presenter was not asking about DP due to the concerns of listener's, only a tiny minority give any thought to direct provision

    Much of the time, the media are just talking to other members of their own media tribe on air

    It's purely a media and NGO sector activist concern

    Every day I realise I did the right thing in ceasing to pay my TV licence fifteen months ago


  • #254
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Gatling wrote: »
    I live two minutes away and haven't seen any major increase in traffic , regularly seeing ambulances and the odd car , security was tighted for the coivd admissions , haven't seen any newish arrivals hanging saggart or rathcoole either

    It's odd. Google claims that they are open for business, yet Booking.com has no reviews since May. They was also an RTE article claiming that they state were considering canceling the rental contract. I personally have seen a lot more Africans in the general area since the easing of restrictions, mainly adults.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #255
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    I personally have seen a lot more Africans in the general area since the easing of restrictions, mainly adults.

    Not in saggart or rathcoole .

    There Africans living in the numerous estates around citywest and macuillium
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  • #256
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Like the banning of bedsits I am sure this has all been well thought out and planned for.


  • #257
    perfectkama
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭perfectkama


    happening in other european countries adult males with governments hiding movements and numbers from its citizens it has to be co-ordinated.

    Nigel Farage exposed a hotel housing same with muscle as security in a recent video featured here on another tread.

    The question is why? it will cost especially when they can bring an extended family who are entitled to pensions for there elderly parents, medical, housing, schooling many allowances for integration and they can come and go to there original country when all benefits are secured.


    Why are freighters full of Africans not arriving in cork (nearest port from africa)


  • #258
    enricoh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,972 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Another day another 120m spent on the gift that keeps on giving - direct provision.
    Let's just end this madness, give all the spoofers an amnesty and rig them up in housing with full dole. It's going to happen anyway!
    If we had a single politician in government with a spine deportations would be providing the required living space and distances.


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  • #259
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭Jizique


    enricoh wrote: »
    Another day another 120m spent on the gift that keeps on giving - direct provision.
    Let's just end this madness, give all the spoofers an amnesty and rig them up in housing with full dole. It's going to happen anyway!
    If we had a single politician in government with a spine deportations would be providing the required living space and distances.


    https://news.google.com/articles/CBMibGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlyaXNodGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvcG9saXRpY3MvY292aWQtMTktbGVhZHMtdG8tMTIwbS1vdmVycnVuLWluLWRpcmVjdC1wcm92aXNpb24tYnVkZ2V0LTEuNDMyNzg5NNIBdWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlyaXNodGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvcG9saXRpY3MvY292aWQtMTktbGVhZHMtdG8tMTIwbS1vdmVycnVuLWluLWRpcmVjdC1wcm92aXNpb24tYnVkZ2V0LTEuNDMyNzg5ND9tb2RlPWFtcA?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen
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    Not just €120m, but €120m over budget.
    You can see why Trump got elected and also why Brexit happened; this is completely nuts, particularly at a time when the economy is destroyed.
    They really need to “drain the swamp” and defund all the NGOs who are driving this bus.


  • #260
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    enricoh wrote: »
    Another day another 120m spent on the gift that keeps on giving - direct provision.
    Let's just end this madness, give all the spoofers an amnesty and rig them up in housing with full dole. It's going to happen anyway!
    If we had a single politician in government with a spine deportations would be providing the required living space and distances.


    https://news.google.com/articles/CBMibGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlyaXNodGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvcG9saXRpY3MvY292aWQtMTktbGVhZHMtdG8tMTIwbS1vdmVycnVuLWluLWRpcmVjdC1wcm92aXNpb24tYnVkZ2V0LTEuNDMyNzg5NNIBdWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlyaXNodGltZXMuY29tL25ld3MvcG9saXRpY3MvY292aWQtMTktbGVhZHMtdG8tMTIwbS1vdmVycnVuLWluLWRpcmVjdC1wcm92aXNpb24tYnVkZ2V0LTEuNDMyNzg5ND9tb2RlPWFtcA?hl=en-IE&gl=IE&ceid=IE%3Aen
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    That’s serious coin. One things for sure, there are a lot of folk getting very wealthy on the back of all this. Asylum isn’t a humanitarian policy for displaced people.

    It’s an industry. Landlords, hoteliers, catering companies, legal eagles, NGOs etc. all need the current setup to remain the same or the numbers to increase; their livelihoods rely on it!


  • #261
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87,573 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    How many do we take in a year?
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  • #262
    [Deleted User]
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    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How many do we take in a year?

    As many that get off a plane and claim they are in fear of their lives and need to apply really.


  • #263
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gilberto_eire wrote: »
    As many that get off a plane and claim they are in fear of their lives and need to apply really.

    Apart from the 1 in 5 who get deported, after appeals fail. The rest remain.


  • #264
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Apart from the 1 in 5 who get deported, after appeals fail. The rest remain.

    I don't even think it's 1 in 5 , 60,000 came through dp and we've only deported 1,400 ( many of the deported are students not in the asylum process)

    2.3 % deported (not all asylum seekers) so it's likely even lower that again
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  • #265
    Sean.3516
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    One way to improve our asylum system might be to assess people's claims BEFORE they come to Ireland.

    One of the biggest problems with Direct Provision is that we bring people into the country before we have the slightest clue as to whether or not they are legitimate refugees. They have to stay in those hotels indefinitely while we assess their claims and the process is far more convoluted than it ought to be.

    Assessing them before they get here would also be a lot more humane seeing as nobody wants to send the folks back to their own countries after they've been here for a while, yet at the same time we cannot incentivise erroneous asylum claims by allowing them to stay.

    Seems pretty common sense.


  • #266
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Sean.3516 wrote: »

    One of the biggest problems with Direct Provision is that we bring people into the country before we have the slightest clue as to whether or not they are legitimate refugees.

    We don't bring refugees here and put them into dp,they come here off their own back traveling through multiple safe African countries then through multiple safe European countries before deciding to come here to claim asylum.



    We do bring some Syrians under a UN arrangement (nobody else )
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  • #267
    Sean.3516
    Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    Gatling wrote: »
    We don't bring refugees here and put them into dp,they come here off their own back traveling through multiple safe African countries then through multiple safe European countries before deciding to come here to claim asylum.



    We do bring some Syrians under a UN arrangement (nobody else )

    Isn't there some sort of international provision stating that refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country in which they arrive?

    Sorry but you don't get to claim to be a refugee in fear of your life while at the same time being selective in what country you choose to claim asylum in.

    If what your saying is true then the entire system is a scam and should be immediately and totally abolished


  • #268
    [Deleted User]
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    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    One way to improve our asylum system might be to assess people's claims BEFORE they come to Ireland.

    That would be nice except that most arrive in Ireland and claim asylum on arrival. Very few are announcing themselves at an Irish consulate in a foreign country.
    One of the biggest problems with Direct Provision is that we bring people into the country before we have the slightest clue as to whether or not they are legitimate refugees. They have to stay in those hotels indefinitely while we assess their claims and the process is far more convoluted than it ought to be.

    Assessing them before they get here would also be a lot more humane seeing as nobody wants to send the folks back to their own countries after they've been here for a while, yet at the same time we cannot incentivise erroneous asylum claims by allowing them to stay.

    Seems pretty common sense.

    It would make more sense to house them all in a dormitory complex built for purpose, and put to work on the grounds (manufacturing, services etc), so that they can pay their way, while their claims were processed. They're going to arrive in Ireland to claim Asylum, but we can move the whole process away from the people seeking to make money from it, and into a more organised system, that pays somewhat for itself. At the same time, education can be provided, and their needs met without allowing them access to the rest of the country.

    But yes, the claims process needs to be changed with only one appeal being allowed, and the process streamlined. If a claim and subsequent appeal are denied, that person should be banned from entry to Ireland for life. Thus cutting out the majority who might return later for another try. We really do need a harder stance on migration, especially against those who are bogus.


  • #269
    perfectkama
    Registered Users Posts: 106 ✭✭perfectkama


    once they get residency the flood gates open for family to join them and all the welfare benefits total farce and a massive financial burden on the state


  • #270
    Bikerman2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Bikerman2019


    Gatling wrote: »
    Not in saggart or rathcoole .

    There Africans living in the numerous estates around citywest and macuillium


    Macuillium particularly. I drove in there the other night and literally, gangs of coloured people and not a single white person in sight. I am in a lot of the estates as far as rathcoole and they are NOTHING like Macuillium


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  • #271
    Spanish Eyes
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    perfectkama wrote: »
    once they get residency the flood gates open for family to join them and all the welfare benefits total farce and a massive financial burden on the state

    No one in any party seems to care or see this anymore. Frightened of the R word I suspect.

    Whereas if they did tighten up things and just observed their UN obligations and refugee obligations too, ie you have one appeal and if it's unsuccessful, back home for you. I think most people would support them.

    I haven't met or spoken to ANYONE who supports the free arrival of people from wherever and being put up at our expense, and the lengthy process, and well you know the rest.

    Legal profession may have a big say in all this though, along with DP providers.


  • #272
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    No one in any party seems to care or see this anymore. Frightened of the R word I suspect.

    Whereas if they did tighten up things and just observed their UN obligations and refugee obligations too, ie you have one appeal and if it's unsuccessful, back home for you. I think most people would support them.

    I haven't met or spoken to ANYONE who supports the free arrival of people from wherever and being put up at our expense, and the lengthy process, and well you know the rest.

    Legal profession may have a big say in all this though, along with DP providers.
    Such people exist sadly. Probably around 10% or less


  • #273
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    Such people exist sadly. Probably around 10% or less

    Oh less than that amongst the general public but politicians fear the 90% plus a lot less than the media and activist class


  • #274
    Bikerman2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Bikerman2019


    Ireland and the UK are seen as a soft touch. Asylum seekers are supposed to seek asylum at the first safe haven they reach.

    How the hell do Nigerians, Syrians, Iranians and the rest manage to arrive in Ireland under those terms?


    A lot are financial migrants, not asylum seekers, but Ireland hasnt the balls to kick them out. To many bleeding hearts.


  • #275
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bikerman2019 wrote: »
    Ireland and the UK are seen as a soft touch. Asylum seekers are supposed to seek asylum at the first safe haven they reach.

    How the hell do Nigerians, Syrians, Iranians and the rest manage to arrive in Ireland under those terms?


    A lot are financial migrants, not asylum seekers, but Ireland hasnt the balls to kick them out. To many bleeding hearts.

    There was a guy interviewed on skynews picked up in the med , happily to be interviewed on camera who wasn't fleeing persecution ,or war or starvation he told sky he owns several businesses and going to the uk so he make even more money ,
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  • #276
    Bikerman2019
    Closed Accounts Posts: 992 ✭✭✭Bikerman2019


    Gatling wrote: »
    There was a guy interviewed on skynews picked up in the med , happily to be interviewed on camera who wasn't fleeing persecution ,or war or starvation he told sky he owns several businesses and going to the uk so he make even more money ,


    I am just waiting for someone to call me a racist.......


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  • #277
    Jamie2k9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,758 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    DoJ monitor tweets about DP along with other things

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/department-of-justice-officials-monitor-posts-criticising-direct-provision-on-social-media-39452868.html


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