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Jim Mansfield R.I.P

  • 29-01-2014 8:23pm
    #1
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭


    Jim Mansfield has died. I for one am sorry, I found him a decent man to deal with. Pity he was so battered financially towards the end.
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  • #2
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Who?


  • #3
    Sir Arthur Daley
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    I knew a Father Clint power once?


  • #4
    MammaZita
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭MammaZita


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Jim Mansfield has died. I for one am sorry, I found him a decent man to deal with. Pity he was so battered financially towards the end.


    Hadn't heard this. I hope his financial woes were not the underlying cause. RIP.


  • #5
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭henryporter


    The man who developed City West and had his own airport out that direction too. Got a doing for trying to build a conference centre there without Planning Permission.


  • #6
    COYW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭COYW


    Yep, he built his empire from nothing, starting off in scrap metal I believe. RIP.


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  • #7
    mathepac
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,991 ✭✭✭mathepac


    henryporter wrote: »
    The man who developed City West and had his own airport out that direction too. Got a doing for trying to build a conference centre there without Planning Permission.
    .. bribing the right FF planning officials.

    RIP.


  • #8
    Lapin
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    There is something admirable about a person who bought up a load of scrap metal left over from a conflict thousands of miles away and sold it on for millions.

    He invested his wealth in his local area, put some run down parts of west Dublin on the map and provided jobs for hundreds.

    However, his scant regard for the planning laws and poor taste in architecture leave a lot to be desired. But thats for another day.

    May he R.I.P.


  • #9
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    I spoke to a close friend of his today, one of Irelands former wealthiest men, also battered at this stage and he said Jim was one of the cleverest men he'd ever met - he didn't even have a Father growing up yet dragged himself to the heights. I think his legacy - Citywest, has brought a lot of pleasure to a lot of people and it seemed a bit off not to even see a mention of his passing. Anyway, condolences to his family. The financial travails couldn't have done his health much good.


  • #10
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    His gravestone will have planning I take it?


  • #11
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    MadsL wrote: »
    His gravestone will have planning I take it?

    Hopefully not, just for the craic. I think he would have liked that.


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  • #12
    genericguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭genericguy


    Thought the usual AH RIP whores would've been all over this hours ago.


  • #13
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Yes, it is incredible how a private airport with little or no customs checks on the fringes of a small city became such a success.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mansfield-jet-trafficking-led-by-former-ira-activist-26417006.html


  • #14
    COYW
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭COYW


    henryporter wrote: »
    The man who developed City West and had his own airport out that direction too.

    Weston airport. I flew in and out if it on many occasions. No longer the owner of it, I believe.
    sabat wrote: »
    Yes, it is incredible how a private airport with little or no customs checks on the fringes of a small city became such a success.

    An awful lot of the flight schools for pilot training are based out there. I'd guess that is where they make their money.


  • #15
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    genericguy wrote: »
    Thought the usual AH RIP whores would've been all over this hours ago.

    I don't think I'm a member of that club. I was just genuinely saddened to hear he had passed.


  • #16
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Still ended up another developer who borrowed money he couldn't repay. Easy to be a big developer with RR , jet etc back in the day when you borrowed against inflated assets, built what you felt like without permission and did not make sure monies would be available to pay back debts.


  • #17
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    sabat wrote: »
    Yes, it is incredible how a private airport with little or no customs checks on the fringes of a small city became such a success.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mansfield-jet-trafficking-led-by-former-ira-activist-26417006.html

    That bullsh1t dogged his life - "a reputation" - which was based on utter b0llox - he was a businessman. The fact he rubbed the establishment up the wrong way contributed to a lot of the false smears and innuendo. He got kicked down at every turn but still bulled on.


  • #18
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    That bullsh1t dogged his life - "a reputation" - which was based on utter b0llox - he was a businessman. The fact he rubbed the establishment up the wrong way contributed to a lot of the false smears and innuendo. He got kicked down at every turn but still bulled on.

    By building without planning permission on borrowed money? What a hero.


  • #19
    sabat
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    bullsh1t

    false smears

    innuendo

    Really? So his private jet wasn't being used for importing drugs?


  • #20
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    sabat wrote: »
    Really? So his private jet wasn't being used for importing drugs?

    If I hire you a car you get to do what you like with it. Regardless, I'm not getting into a cake-fight, I just thought it was sad he died.


  • #21
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    If I hire you a car you get to do what you like with it. Regardless, I'm not getting into a cake-fight, I just thought it was sad he died.

    Wait. There's cake? When's the funeral?


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  • #22
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    MadsL wrote: »
    Wait. There's cake? When's the funeral?

    Some people emigrate and are really no loss. Do you not have an e-mail or text to be getting aggravated about?.


  • #23
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Some people emigrate and are really no loss. Do you not have an e-mail or text to be getting aggravated about?.

    I cost the country much less than this bloke when I left.

    I'm baffled how you find it sad that someone who's debts are now being serviced by the nation who dies at 75 to be 'sad'.

    "Sad" how exactly?


  • #24
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    MadsL wrote: »
    I cost the country much less than this bloke when I left.

    I'm baffled how you find it sad that someone who's debts are now being serviced by the nation who dies at 75 to be 'sad'.

    "Sad" how exactly?

    Well done. You probably created jobs for far more people and had a nicer hotel too. I'm thrilled for you. Sad as in I'm sad he's dead sort of sad.


  • #25
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Well done. You probably created jobs for far more people and had a nicer hotel too. I'm thrilled for you. Sad as in I'm sad he's dead sort of sad.

    We are having a hotel measuring contest now? I'm disappointed, I thought there was a cake-fight promised.

    Remind me again how many people had to emigrate as a result of these arrogant bastards who borrowed money, flouted the law, and ultimately failed leaving the nation to pick up the tab.


  • #26
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Its not unnatural for buildings/extensions(company type not private) to be built without planning permission. I work in 2 fairly large buildings which were built and planning permission were applied for retro style.

    But the people who built the ones I work didnt have any issues getting PP 3 years after the building opened.


  • #27
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    It washim that built the mill centre in clondalkin was it not? Stole a nice bit of land from the missus' grandfather and sold it in all of that.


  • #28
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Ok, having read his wiki page I feel like this outpouring of grief smells a bit like one of Seanie Quinns rallys.

    He died in debt to the nation. If he died with the nation in debt to him I would have started this thread myself.


  • #29
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    dreamers75 wrote: »
    Its not unnatural for buildings/extensions(company type not private) to be built without planning permission. I work in 2 fairly large buildings which were built and planning permission were applied for retro style.

    But the people who built the ones I work didnt have any issues getting PP 3 years after the building opened.


    You are aware that Mansfield cost the Irish taxpayer €300million, and that as I recall the retrospective planning granted was held to be breach of EU law.

    Building without planning permission at the scale Mansfield did is hardly 'natural'.


  • #30
    Frankie Lee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,285 ✭✭✭Frankie Lee


    What is the story with libel now that he is dead?


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  • #31
    SimonLynch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 424 ✭✭SimonLynch


    He seemed to divide opinion, people either loved or hated him, quite funny when his brothers come into Blessington for a pint, half the pub are all over them and the other half retreat to the other end of the pub and give them daggers.


  • #32
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    What is the story with libel now that he is dead?

    Don't worry, say what you think, he can't sue you from the grave.


  • #33
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    What is the story with libel now that he is dead?
    Can't libel a dead man. You can say whatever you want about them.

    Not that boards would let you, it does have some decency.

    Mansfield is marmite. Some people see him as a Bill Cullen-type rags-to-riches hero who rose to rub shoulders with the horsey crowd by taking risks and giving two fingers to the establishment.
    Others see him as a dangerous man with very dodgy relationships and complete disregard for laws or other people when it came to getting his own way.

    I'm sure his family though see him as someone they love, so my thoughts are with them.


  • #34
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    any relation to thelma mansfield?? (ex rte continuity announcer)


  • #35
    notnumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭notnumber


    The celtic tiger and Nama have taken the sheen of his achievements .
    I dont know about the planning objections but he worked hard for his money in the days before money was being thrown around like confetti ..sad to see all he developed lost to bwankers ..I imagine he died a broken man..there should definitely be a monument to the man in citywest..Jim Mansfield RIP


  • #36
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    no he didnt robbed all of his sub contractors dispicable morals for a man


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  • #37
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    Well done. You probably created jobs for far more people and had a nicer hotel too. I'm thrilled for you. Sad as in I'm sad he's dead sort of sad.

    "Created jobs"? What about the jobs he destroyed? I mean, if someone who never works in their life and just draws the dole, they might cost the state €1,000,000 or so. Big Jim cost us many multiples of that, but his kids won't go hungry.


  • #38
    whupdedo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,513 ✭✭✭whupdedo


    A lot of small minded people still going on about who cost us this and who owed us that,some people would prefer to have us destitute and poor for eternity to justify weak and pointless posts about bond holders and national debt. I will pay rest in peace but I won't defend or accuse him of something I know **** all about as some posters believe they do.


  • #39
    Hootanany
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    he shagged sub contractors thats how he made a load of money just google it.


  • #40
    notnumber
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭notnumber


    Hootanany wrote: »
    no he didnt robbed all of his sub contractors dispicable morals for a man

    He was convicted of this? ..or are you engaging in slander?


  • #41
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Hootanany wrote: »
    he shagged sub contractors thats how he made a load of money just google it.

    Everyone shags sub-contractors, at some stage or another. Nothing rare or unique in that. Some do it on purpose, some because they run into difficulty themselves.


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  • #42
    ziggy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,681 ✭✭✭ziggy


    This post has been deleted.


  • #43
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    ziggy wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Doubtful - it struggled financially on every front. That's like blaming the owners of Dublin Port for any dodgy cargo someone brings through it. Every freight company, port, airport, dock and landing field gets plagued with people pulling stuff like this.


  • #44
    oppenheimer1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    What is the story with libel now that he is dead?
    You can't libel the dead


  • #45
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    oppenheimer1 wrote: »
    You can't libel the dead

    There used to be another rule about not speaking ill of the dead either. That was a good and fair rule imo. They get it hard to defend themselves.


  • #46
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    did he will his assests to the state?


  • #47
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Boombastic wrote: »
    did he will his assests to the state?

    Na man.


  • #48
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Stavros Murphy wrote: »
    There used to be another rule about not speaking ill of the dead either. That was a good and fair rule imo. They get it hard to defend themselves.

    That's not a rule. It's a cop out.

    If someone is a wanker, dieing doesn't change that. Just like every time some scumbag is killed their whole family is on saying how nice they were and how they wouldn't hurt a fly.


  • #49
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    That's not a rule. It's a cop out.

    If someone is a wanker, dieing doesn't change that. Just like every time some scumbag is killed their whole family is on saying how nice they were and how they wouldn't hurt a fly.

    A good rule of thumb I stick to is "Never a bollox died". Slagging the dead is a low I'll give a miss to. I've enough live ones to be going on with.


  • #50
    keeponhurling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,344 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Boombastic wrote: »
    did he will his assests to the state?

    I'm not sure he personally guaranteed anything so the state could only seize all his businesses assets, and the taxpayer picked up the rest.

    Would be a nice touch if he did, though


  • #51
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    keeponhurling wrote: »
    I'm not sure he personally guaranteed anything so the state could only seize all his businesses assets, and the taxpayer picked up the rest.

    Would be a nice touch if he did, though

    So that was Jims decision, yes? Or did the state choose to lump it onto the taxpayer? Banks borrowed, they lost. The State chose to step in. I'm guessing he himself would have said let the banks go get their own money. You sure the right people are being blamed??


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